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(Slate)   Can you beat Subby's time on this gerrymandering jigsaw puzzle? (Time to beat - 8:05.)   (slate.com) divider line 97
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2013-08-21 11:51:28 AM
8:26.  That's pretty much the easiest jigsaw ever made - the pieces are too weirdly shaped to be challenging.

Now, you want a challenging jigsaw?  I've got a 5000 piece one of this:
visualfunhouse.com
sitting in an attic at my mother's house.  Everything's black and white, so you can't really match up colors.  And just to make it extra-ballbusting, the pieces (excluding the edges) are exactly the same and symmetrically both left and right and up and down.   You can grab any two pieces out of the box, and they'll fit together perfect in eight different orientations.
 
2013-08-21 11:55:51 AM
6:44
 
2013-08-21 12:31:51 PM
6:14
 
2013-08-21 12:32:25 PM
Oh another gerrymandering thread. I always love these.

The Democrats did one in NC that was so stupid that they were taken to court over it and lost.

Having clearly learned their lesson from that, they went back and redid the map and ended up in court a second time over their gerrymandering antics.

Realizing that they were basically not going to get away with it they finally quit and the local representative knew she couldn't win reelection, so she spent the last 6 months in office basically telling everyone that it wasn't her problem now and she didn't have to do anything.

But now of course, boo hoo hoo, the Republicans are returning the favor and it's not fair.
 
2013-08-21 12:32:27 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-21 12:32:52 PM
6:06
 
2013-08-21 12:34:15 PM
Did it in 5 and change, then spent about a minute lamenting the death of democracy.
 
2013-08-21 12:38:04 PM
6:31.  I'm smrt.
 
2013-08-21 12:39:19 PM

randomjsa: Oh another gerrymandering thread. I always love these.

The Democrats did one in NC that was so stupid that they were taken to court over it and lost.

Having clearly learned their lesson from that, they went back and redid the map and ended up in court a second time over their gerrymandering antics.

Realizing that they were basically not going to get away with it they finally quit and the local representative knew she couldn't win reelection, so she spent the last 6 months in office basically telling everyone that it wasn't her problem now and she didn't have to do anything.

But now of course, boo hoo hoo, the Republicans are returning the favor and it's not fair.



honor and integrity = what ever i can claim someone else did
 
2013-08-21 12:40:16 PM
The key is to start with the edges, and to not sob uncontrollably as you witness who's gaming the system.
 
2013-08-21 12:41:14 PM
Just stupid.  This crap has got to stop.  It won't.  But it needs to.
 
2013-08-21 12:42:27 PM
5:06 is the current time to beat.
 
2013-08-21 12:42:48 PM

Skanque: 6:31.  I'm smrt.


Also 6:31
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-08-21 12:42:53 PM
7:04
 
2013-08-21 12:44:05 PM
7:20

We're screwed.  All of us
 
2013-08-21 12:44:09 PM

randomjsa: Oh another gerrymandering thread. I always love these.

The Democrats did one in NC that was so stupid that they were taken to court over it and lost.

Having clearly learned their lesson from that, they went back and redid the map and ended up in court a second time over their gerrymandering antics.

Realizing that they were basically not going to get away with it they finally quit and the local representative knew she couldn't win reelection, so she spent the last 6 months in office basically telling everyone that it wasn't her problem now and she didn't have to do anything.

But now of course, boo hoo hoo, the Republicans are returning the favor and it's not fair.


Yeah, sure, going to court, then fixing the problems, and still having underrepresentaiton of democratic votes in the house is totally the same as reversing the will of the people.  Go choke on your hatred of democracy.
 
2013-08-21 12:46:24 PM
No, seriously, randomjsa actually hates democracy.
 
2013-08-21 12:46:35 PM
You completed the puzzles in 5 minutes and 32 seconds.
 
2013-08-21 12:47:20 PM
7:36. Ohio did me in. DAMN YOU OHIO!
 
2013-08-21 12:47:33 PM
My favorite video on gerrymandering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mky11UJb9AY
 
2013-08-21 12:47:41 PM
7:29
 
2013-08-21 12:48:04 PM
7 minutes 17 seconds.

I'll be honest, I lost a lot of time being paranoid about how perfectly I needed to slip the shapes in.
 
2013-08-21 12:49:24 PM
7:17, and also it's cool how the American system is designed to allow this kind of criminal bullshiat to go on.
 
2013-08-21 12:49:57 PM
5:41, Subby isn't very good at puzzles.

All that said, I'd love a set of these in the physical world.  Maps are cool, 'n stuff, and puzzles are awesome.
 
2013-08-21 12:50:14 PM
Thank god they did not do that with IL.  Mildly gerrymanded for the Dems.   I would hated to put Chicago back together.
 
2013-08-21 12:50:28 PM
7:19....  interesting time waster.  Good job, Subby.

/If I were American, would I be faster or slower?
 
2013-08-21 12:51:34 PM

The Martian Manhandler: 5:06 is the current time to beat.


But did you get all the blax out?
 
2013-08-21 12:51:42 PM
Karac:  I've got a 5000 piece one of this:
[visualfunhouse.com image 500x498]
sitting in an attic at my mother's house.  Everything's black and white, so you can't really match up colors.  And just to make it extra-ballbusting, the pieces (excluding the edges) are exactly the same and symmetrically both left and right and up and down.   You can grab any two pieces out of the box, and they'll fit together perfect in eight different orientations.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-21 12:53:01 PM
Maryland is a bit of a different situation to the others - in most of the other cases the GOP won the vast majority of the seats even when they lost the statewide vote. In Maryland the Democrats got almost twice the number of votes as republicans. If you lose 2:1 in a FPTP voting system you'll be lucky to win any seats at all, even without gerrymandering.
 
2013-08-21 12:56:06 PM
6:18
 
2013-08-21 12:56:07 PM
7:51.

At least you know I'm not lying.
 
2013-08-21 12:56:26 PM
6:52, then weeped for the future of democracy.
 
2013-08-21 12:56:58 PM
They picked a bad state as their example.  Iowa's districts are not a result of an overly Democratic or Republican Congress.  They're drawn by a non-partisan third party.
 
2013-08-21 12:57:31 PM
5 minutes even while on a conference call.
 
2013-08-21 12:58:13 PM

Mr Janny: They picked a bad state as their example.  Iowa's districts are not a result of an overly Democratic or Republican Congress.  They're drawn by a non-partisan third party.


They do explain that in the text above the puzzle when you complete it, and give it as an example of how district lines should be drawn.
 
2013-08-21 12:58:54 PM

Target Builder: Mr Janny: They picked a bad state as their example.  Iowa's districts are not a result of an overly Democratic or Republican Congress.  They're drawn by a non-partisan third party.

They do explain that in the text above the puzzle when you complete it, and give it as an example of how district lines should be drawn.


I need a RTFA then, I suppose.
 
2013-08-21 01:05:45 PM

Target Builder: Maryland is a bit of a different situation to the others - in most of the other cases the GOP won the vast majority of the seats even when they lost the statewide vote. In Maryland the Democrats got almost twice the number of votes as republicans. If you lose 2:1 in a FPTP voting system you'll be lucky to win any seats at all, even without gerrymandering.


So you mean Wyoming's 1 district arrangement isn't gerrymandering too?  Fascinating, it's almost like Maryland is dragged out for a "both sides are bad" hit and run, without acknowledging that republicans seem to be engaged with malice aforethought.
 
2013-08-21 01:06:23 PM
6:25
 
2013-08-21 01:06:48 PM

Karac: 8:26.  That's pretty much the easiest jigsaw ever made - the pieces are too weirdly shaped to be challenging.

Now, you want a challenging jigsaw?  I've got a 5000 piece one of this:
[visualfunhouse.com image 500x498]
sitting in an attic at my mother's house.  Everything's black and white, so you can't really match up colors.  And just to make it extra-ballbusting, the pieces (excluding the edges) are exactly the same and symmetrically both left and right and up and down.   You can grab any two pieces out of the box, and they'll fit together perfect in eight different orientations.


Five thousand pieces... that's just cruel.

/They don't make em like they used to...
 
2013-08-21 01:08:26 PM
6:19 and I live in none of those states.

randomjsa: Oh another gerrymandering thread. I always love these.

The Democrats did one in NC that was so stupid that they were taken to court over it and lost.

Having clearly learned their lesson from that, they went back and redid the map and ended up in court a second time over their gerrymandering antics.

Realizing that they were basically not going to get away with it they finally quit and the local representative knew she couldn't win reelection, so she spent the last 6 months in office basically telling everyone that it wasn't her problem now and she didn't have to do anything.

But now of course, boo hoo hoo, the Republicans are returning the favor and it's not fair.


If you had actually looked at the puzzle, you'd have noticed that some of the examples and descriptions they gave were from states where Democrats gerrymandered the districts. But, hey, keep f*cking that chicken.
 
2013-08-21 01:09:23 PM
ahh yes a thread full of three number posts

content
 
2013-08-21 01:09:53 PM
Complete!

You completed the puzzles in 6 minutes and 45 seconds.

Average Slate reader time: 9 minutes and 47 seconds
 
2013-08-21 01:11:39 PM
haha oh yes Democrats have gerrymandered in the past therefore it is only fair that republicans subvert the will of the american public

jesus christ OHIO what the actual fark
 
2013-08-21 01:13:23 PM

Saiga410: Thank god they did not do that with IL.  Mildly gerrymanded for the Dems.   I would hated to put Chicago back together.


Wait, I thought Chicago was full of libby libs. Why would you need to gerrymander the city?
 
2013-08-21 01:15:13 PM
Really?  Thought that was going to be harder so I wasn't even trying to go fast.  5:38 on a laptop with a crappy trackpad.
 
2013-08-21 01:16:15 PM
s18.postimg.org

jeez, it wasn't that hard.
 
2013-08-21 01:19:56 PM
And if you think PA is bad, it used to have this nightmare of a district:

www.thepoliticalguide.com

And Philadelphia's 5th and 7th City Council districts have been rated among the very worst gerrymandering of anykind in the country:

philadelphiacitycouncil.net
 
2013-08-21 01:26:35 PM
9:15, mainly because people were bugging me with actual work.
 
2013-08-21 01:27:01 PM
5:06
 
2013-08-21 01:31:15 PM

randomjsa: Oh another gerrymandering thread. I always love these.

The Democrats did one in NC that was so stupid that they were taken to court over it and lost.

Having clearly learned their lesson from that, they went back and redid the map and ended up in court a second time over their gerrymandering antics.

Realizing that they were basically not going to get away with it they finally quit and the local representative knew she couldn't win reelection, so she spent the last 6 months in office basically telling everyone that it wasn't her problem now and she didn't have to do anything.

But now of course, boo hoo hoo, the Republicans are returning the favor and it's not fair.


Looking back on history there has been a lawsuit in NC over every redistricting plan for the last 20+ years, R or D drawn. The one you are mentioning 2000 I assume? was memorial in that the lawsuit was alleging that drawing on political boundaries was in effect drawing on racial boundaries. And drawing on racial boundaries is not legal.  The new maps drawn by R, also draws on the same concepts but just doesn't draw boundaries on poor/rich neighborhood lines as sharply.
 
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