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(Reuters)   Syria gases own people again. So Assad is a bad guy. Unless it's propaganda. In that case, al Queda are the bad guys. Again   (reuters.com) divider line 73
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2013-08-21 08:48:10 AM
Why not both?
 
2013-08-21 08:52:36 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Why not both?


Agreed. There's no shortage of blame to go around.

/shortage of love, tho
//put an apostrophe in that its, Subby
/pedantic
 
2013-08-21 08:57:19 AM
Sarin terrifies me.
 
2013-08-21 08:59:45 AM
Can't hardly wait for Ted Cruz to renounce his Syrian citizenship.
 
2013-08-21 09:01:47 AM

megarian: Sarin terrifies me.


Don't let it get on your nerves.
 
2013-08-21 09:02:48 AM
Are people still riled up for us to get involved there?  Have they decided which side we should take?  We can either back a sociopathic dictator or al Qaeda, you chose.
 
2013-08-21 09:03:05 AM

Outrageous Muff: megarian: Sarin terrifies me.

Don't let it get on your nerves.


Heheheheheeeee
 
2013-08-21 09:05:31 AM
So does this mean Obama is going to bomb Syria? Because I think that would be a good time to have a cruise missile go wrong and blow up Snowden.
 
2013-08-21 09:07:33 AM
They say it was Assad, but the rule is, the one who smelt it, dealt it.
 
2013-08-21 09:07:39 AM
Wall off the whole place and let them fight it out.
 
2013-08-21 09:09:23 AM

pag1107: Are people still riled up for us to get involved there?  Have they decided which side we should take?  We can either back a sociopathic dictator or al Qaeda, you chose.


Or...and I know this is crazy so hear me out... we stay the fark away and let the UK, France, Germany or anyone that wants to, go there and play world police.

Did go in and intercede in Africa when many more than 600 people were/are killed in a single day during their non-stop wars?

fark the middle east.

/ill tell you how I really feel after a few drinks...
 
2013-08-21 09:10:12 AM
But let's keep shipping them a farkton of our tax dollars, anyway, assholes.
Thanks, IRS, DOD, and the White House.
 
2013-08-21 09:10:57 AM
Funny that we invaded Iraq for WMDs, which didn't exist, yes we won't bother when we actually know of overt nerve gas/WMD use.

Something-something oil in Iraq, gotcha.
 
2013-08-21 09:14:57 AM
This is the beauty of fighting an enemy that has allied itself a known terrorist organization with a history of crying wolf.

You can do almost anything you want and want and just point to the terrorists who have shown that they have no compunction about killing civillians to advance their cause.

The FSA should get clear of them ASAP if they want to win this war and have any international legitimacy in the end.
 
2013-08-21 09:18:45 AM
Nuke 'em all!
 
2013-08-21 09:24:33 AM

megarian: Sarin terrifies me.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-21 09:25:02 AM
Somewhere a flower weeps
 
2013-08-21 09:27:18 AM
Somewhere, a flower weeps
 
2013-08-21 09:32:02 AM
Some are reporting 1300 dead.  Jesus Christ.
 
2013-08-21 09:33:07 AM
Welp, there goes that whole "not currently invading a country" thing.
 
2013-08-21 09:37:16 AM
I thought his wife was "the REAL dictator..." Anyone remember those emails?
 
2013-08-21 09:38:03 AM
We can't do anything. Either we back an oppressive regime, or we back an opposition that is equally, and potentially worse.

Or we can deny them the right to self-determination.
 
2013-08-21 09:38:47 AM

ikanreed: Welp, there goes that whole "not currently invading a country" thing.


Why bother? Just let them all go at it. We can sit this one out.
 
2013-08-21 09:39:32 AM
Somewhere a flower, weeps.
 
2013-08-21 09:43:07 AM
I think it's pretty suspicious that the Syrian government used chemical weapons in Damascus just days after 20 UN Chemical Weapons Inspectors show up in Damascus.
 
2013-08-21 09:46:41 AM
Obama keeps moving back the line in the sand.
 
2013-08-21 09:47:05 AM

Lucky LaRue: I think it's pretty suspicious that the Syrian government used chemical weapons in Damascus just days after 20 UN Chemical Weapons Inspectors show up in Damascus.


So either:
A) they don't care and have been building up to this attack as the world has done nothing

B) rebel false flag

C) Someone in the military f**ked up and Assad isn't really in control

D) The weapons embargo is working and they care but are so low on stores or things are mislabeled they used the weapons they had

The military has had luck pushing rebels back the past week so it does seem a little odd
 
2013-08-21 09:53:05 AM
Somewhere a, flower weeps.
 
2013-08-21 09:53:41 AM
perhaps there are no good guys or bad guys in the real world?

maybe sometimes doing the right thing means making tough choices.
 
2013-08-21 09:56:35 AM
No worries, we'll just keep changing the definition of WMDs so we don't have to get involved, like we did with "genocide" to avoid Rwanda.

/words only have meanings under a Republican president
//now if only we could figure out why the world stops respecting our authority when we have a Democrat president
///if you can't respect the man or the office, at least respect the conpletely well-earned Nobel Peace Prize
 
2013-08-21 10:00:03 AM
Those WMDs that never existed in Iraq in 2004, that were watched by bird (SAT) be transported into Syria in 11 RUSSIAN trucks were not used in this and all other previous WMD incidents.

These are not the droids you are looking for...

Huh, it's not working on me and "Bush 43 is a liar and a goofball for getting the whole WMDs wrong". Remember your MSM programming or be ridiculed and shamed in spite of any fact of evidence to the contrary.
 
2013-08-21 10:00:40 AM

brimed03: IdBeCrazyIf: Why not both?

Agreed. There's no shortage of blame to go around.

/shortage of love, tho
//put an apostrophe in that its, Subby
/pedantic


Not much love to go around?
Must be a real land of confusion.
 
2013-08-21 10:11:17 AM

Relatively Obscure: brimed03: IdBeCrazyIf: Why not both?

Agreed. There's no shortage of blame to go around.

/shortage of love, tho
//put an apostrophe in that its, Subby
/pedantic

Not much love to go around?
Must be a real land of confusion.


31.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-21 10:11:40 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Why not both?


Yeah there actually isn't a lesser evil in this case. They both are bad news and both deserve to be gassed in mass until the only thing left alive in the region are vultures.
 
2013-08-21 10:12:43 AM
Much like the Spanish Civil War, it is smart to stay out of it. Both sides are evil.
 
2013-08-21 10:13:19 AM
Talk about your conundrums.  Assad is gassing rebels aligned to Al Queda.  And we're morally obligated to support said rebels. And of course to offset the military support Pooty Poot is giving Assad.

Thanks alot Fartbongo.
 
2013-08-21 10:39:52 AM
Somewhere a flower weeps,.
 
2013-08-21 10:39:56 AM

Not_Todd: Much like the Spanish Civil War, it is smart to stay out of it. Both sides are evil.


Yep.

Heard a guy on an NPR call in last night who condemned Obama for being weak for not getting involved, and then went on to outline his preferred plan of action - which was to try and stay completely out of it.

/He did get called out by NPR host though
 
2013-08-21 10:47:03 AM
Experts who have commented on the issue, rather than just reporting it like Reuters does, says it's not a sarin gas attack because none of the supposed victims have the symptoms of having been exposed to sarin gas, namely muscle spasms.

People who die from sarin gas will apparently be contorted from the muscle spasms it causes.

Also they question the timing of this coinciding with the UN arriving to determine exactly if gas has been used.


I don't know how many animals are in the supposedly affected area. But the experts also asked for evidence of dead animals, as would occur with an sarin gas attack.

---

Some forms of tear gas is really nasty, and can kill as well. Ie. the 36 prisoners that were killed by it the other day in Egypt when it was used in closed quarters.

But tear gas is not forbidden to use under international law.
 
2013-08-21 11:02:53 AM
Like Nazis fighting the Klan... both suck and need destroyed
 
2013-08-21 11:05:37 AM
Rudyard Kipling's Poem "Gethsemane" comes to mind here.


The Garden called Gethsemane
  In Picardy it was,
And there the people came to see
 The English soldiers pass.
We used to pass-we used to pass
   Or halt, as it might be,
And ship our masks in case of gas
   Beyond Gethsemane.

The Garden called Gethsemane,
   It held a pretty lass,
But all the time she talked to me
   I prayed my cup might pass.
The officer sat on the chair,
   The men lay on the grass,
And all the time we halted there
   I prayed my cup might pass.

It didn't pass-it didn't pass-
   It didn't pass from me.
I drank it when we met the gas
   Beyond Gethsemane!

/written during a time when gas was common on the battlefields.
 
2013-08-21 11:06:16 AM

tkwasny: Those WMDs that never existed in Iraq in 2004, that were watched by bird (SAT) be transported into Syria in 11 RUSSIAN trucks were not used in this and all other previous WMD incidents.


You would think Obama would use his NSA spy network to determine who supplied Syria with these WMDs and at least demand sanctions against them in a closed UN session. The fact that he won't seems to indicate revealing the true source of Syria's WMDs would be too politically damaging to him to even suggest it.

/and probably damaging to the mental health of the "Saddam had no WMDs!" crowd that forms his core political constituency.
//hey, maybe they didn't come from Saddam after all... maybe we shipped them to Syria to "prove" Assad wouldn't use them, and provide a balance to Israeli nukes after they destroyed Assad's reactor
///sort of like those guns we shipped to Mexican drug lords, to "prove" that they have no problem acquiring such dangerous weapons as long as the US continues to make them
 
2013-08-21 11:08:48 AM
Set up catapults in Israel and fling them gas masks. There, we helped.
 
2013-08-21 11:10:43 AM
Indoctrination is for your own good.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-21 11:15:07 AM
The more I read the fewer people were actually killed.  They need to keep writing that article so I can keep reading it!!
 
2013-08-21 11:15:40 AM

Tatterdemalian: tkwasny: Those WMDs that never existed in Iraq in 2004, that were watched by bird (SAT) be transported into Syria in 11 RUSSIAN trucks were not used in this and all other previous WMD incidents.

You would think Obama would use his NSA spy network to determine who supplied Syria with these WMDs and at least demand sanctions against them in a closed UN session. The fact that he won't seems to indicate revealing the true source of Syria's WMDs would be too politically damaging to him to even suggest it.

/and probably damaging to the mental health of the "Saddam had no WMDs!" crowd that forms his core political constituency.
//hey, maybe they didn't come from Saddam after all... maybe we shipped them to Syria to "prove" Assad wouldn't use them, and provide a balance to Israeli nukes after they destroyed Assad's reactor
///sort of like those guns we shipped to Mexican drug lords, to "prove" that they have no problem acquiring such dangerous weapons as long as the US continues to make them


Holy shiat you don't see many of these in the wild. I think we've got an actual real life "Saddam DID have WMD and shipped them to Syria".

farking awesomeness.
 
2013-08-21 11:19:38 AM
www.zcommunications.org
 
2013-08-21 11:29:17 AM

macadamnut: [www.zcommunications.org image 500x361]


erbsegoesmmo.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-21 11:34:04 AM

spawn73: But tear gas is not forbidden to use under international law.



That might explain the weepy flower we've been hearing about.
 
2013-08-21 11:43:00 AM
Assuming chemical weapons were used, the obvious question should be by who? Who benefits?

Pretty sure it isn't Assad.
 
2013-08-21 11:43:13 AM
Obviously, barry needs to give a another "Red Line if chemical weapons are used" speech! It should be a strong red line speech. Unike the last 2.
That'll show the world that he means it, this time.
 
2013-08-21 11:45:21 AM

spawn73: Experts who have commented on the issue, rather than just reporting it like Reuters does, says it's not a sarin gas attack because none of the supposed victims have the symptoms of having been exposed to sarin gas, namely muscle spasms.

People who die from sarin gas will apparently be contorted from the muscle spasms it causes.

Also they question the timing of this coinciding with the UN arriving to determine exactly if gas has been used.


I don't know how many animals are in the supposedly affected area. But the experts also asked for evidence of dead animals, as would occur with an sarin gas attack.

---

Some forms of tear gas is really nasty, and can kill as well. Ie. the 36 prisoners that were killed by it the other day in Egypt when it was used in closed quarters.

But tear gas is not forbidden to use under international law.


It certainly wouldn't be the first time Reuters was caught staging a massacre, though it might be the first time they did it to make anyone other than Israel look like war criminals. And there is the fact that the reporter keeps insisting that bodies "with no visible wounds" are proof of a gas attack, without any mention of the collateral damage among the local wildlife, let alone photographs of stacks of dead birds or dogs that would probably shock western audiences more than the stacks of human "corpses."

/certainly saves on ketchup/tomato sauce expenses to report on gas attacks instead of conventional ones
 
2013-08-21 12:02:45 PM

Tatterdemalian: spawn73: Experts who have commented on the issue, rather than just reporting it like Reuters does, says it's not a sarin gas attack because none of the supposed victims have the symptoms of having been exposed to sarin gas, namely muscle spasms.

People who die from sarin gas will apparently be contorted from the muscle spasms it causes.

Also they question the timing of this coinciding with the UN arriving to determine exactly if gas has been used.


I don't know how many animals are in the supposedly affected area. But the experts also asked for evidence of dead animals, as would occur with an sarin gas attack.

---

Some forms of tear gas is really nasty, and can kill as well. Ie. the 36 prisoners that were killed by it the other day in Egypt when it was used in closed quarters.

But tear gas is not forbidden to use under international law.

It certainly wouldn't be the first time Reuters was caught staging a massacre, though it might be the first time they did it to make anyone other than Israel look like war criminals. And there is the fact that the reporter keeps insisting that bodies "with no visible wounds" are proof of a gas attack, without any mention of the collateral damage among the local wildlife, let alone photographs of stacks of dead birds or dogs that would probably shock western audiences more than the stacks of human "corpses."

/certainly saves on ketchup/tomato sauce expenses to report on gas attacks instead of conventional ones


Reuters hasn't claimed a sarin gas attack. So forget about your strawman.

So... Are you masking that you don't have any specific knowledge by trying to be funny?

You think this looks like a sarin gas attack, in the face of the information I have provided, which you could verify yourself by looking up the effects of sarin gas?
 
2013-08-21 12:18:04 PM
What an awful country. Technologically advanced enough to have nerve gas, savage enough to use it on innocent children, and medically challenged enough to try and treat these dying children by laying them on hard floors and pouring water over their faces.

It's enough to make me nauseous. For all the Americans who decry our country, may this open your eyes to how lucky we truly are.
 
2013-08-21 12:36:43 PM

spawn73: Reuters hasn't claimed a sarin gas attack. So forget about your strawman.

So... Are you masking that you don't have any specific knowledge by trying to be funny?

You think this looks like a sarin gas attack, in the face of the information I have provided, which you could verify yourself by looking up the effects of sarin gas?


I'm providing historical context that supports your claim that there is something off about Reuters' reporting on this latest incident. The fact that you can't rationally comprehend this is hardly my fault.

/I'm not afraid of being wrong
//apparently this fact alone makes me Great Cthulu as far as FARK liberals are concerned
 
2013-08-21 12:38:24 PM

Joe Blowme: macadamnut: [www.zcommunications.org image 500x361]

[erbsegoesmmo.files.wordpress.com image 750x600]


i512.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-21 12:54:34 PM

TrixieDelite: What an awful country. Technologically advanced enough to have nerve gas, savage enough to use it on innocent children, and medically challenged enough to try and treat these dying children by laying them on hard floors and pouring water over their faces.

It's enough to make me nauseous. For all the Americans who decry our country, may this open your eyes to how lucky we truly are.



1. We don't know that nerve gas was used
2. If it was used, we don't know by who

What we DO know is that (much of) the media - without solid evidence - is already pumping propaganda that pretends that CW's were used, and that it was Assad that used them.

Fox News is already criticizing Obama for failing to act (surprise!)

I call bullshiat.

If such weapons WERE in fact used - and they may well have been - Assad would be the least likely to have used them.
 
2013-08-21 01:01:33 PM

TrixieDelite: What an awful country. Technologically advanced enough to have nerve gas, savage enough to use it on innocent children, and medically challenged enough to try and treat these dying children by laying them on hard floors and pouring water over their faces.

It's enough to make me nauseous. For all the Americans who decry our country, may this open your eyes to how lucky we truly are.


Luck has nothing to do with it. We live here because we're better than other countries' people.
 
2013-08-21 01:51:13 PM
Gasses?
 
2013-08-21 01:56:33 PM
Amos Quito:

1. We don't know that nerve gas was used
2. If it was used, we don't know by who

What we DO know is that (much of) the media - without solid evidence - is already pumping propaganda that pretends that CW's were used, and that it was Assad that used them.

Fox News is already criticizing Obama for failing to act (surprise!)

I call bullshiat.

If such weapons WERE in fact used - and they may well have been - Assad would be the least likely to have used them.



It would have been incredibly stupid for Assad to use gas when the UN weapons inspectors had just checked into hotels.  At least they didn't have to walk far to investigate.

From the article:
"It would be very peculiar if it was the government to do this at the exact moment the international inspectors come into the country," said Rolf Ekeus, a retired Swedish diplomat who headed a team of UN weapons inspectors in Iraq in the 1990s.

"At the least, it wouldn't be very clever."

In the end it will come down to he said, she said and leave the door wide open for (more) US intervention.  The US warhawks are circling.
 
2013-08-21 02:00:51 PM

pag1107: Are people still riled up for us to get involved there?  Have they decided which side we should take?  We can either back a sociopathic dictator or al Qaeda, you chose.


As long as the result leaves Syria in gridlocked chaos then Israel is happy, and we will be happy too. Chaos benefits the strong over time. That's why Israel releases 30 or so hardcore zealot "terrorists" every time the Palestinians start to look reasonable, that's why we fired all of the police and the military in Iraq. Chaos.
 
2013-08-21 02:03:44 PM

Tatterdemalian: It certainly wouldn't be the first time Reuters was caught staging a massacre, though it might be the first time they did it to make anyone other than Israel look like war criminals.


Reuters stages massacres now?

LMAO.

Israel, another country, not our 51st state dumbass.
 
2013-08-21 02:32:45 PM

Apik0r0s: pag1107: Are people still riled up for us to get involved there?  Have they decided which side we should take?  We can either back a sociopathic dictator or al Qaeda, you chose.

As long as the result leaves Syria in gridlocked chaos then Israel is happy, and we will be happy too. Chaos benefits the strong over time. That's why Israel releases 30 or so hardcore zealot "terrorists" every time the Palestinians start to look reasonable, that's why we fired all of the police and the military in Iraq. Chaos.



Good times in Egypt right now as well, no?

Turkey is pointing the finger @ Israel.
 
2013-08-21 03:00:29 PM

Tatterdemalian: spawn73: Reuters hasn't claimed a sarin gas attack. So forget about your strawman.

So... Are you masking that you don't have any specific knowledge by trying to be funny?

You think this looks like a sarin gas attack, in the face of the information I have provided, which you could verify yourself by looking up the effects of sarin gas?

I'm providing historical context that supports your claim that there is something off about Reuters' reporting on this latest incident. The fact that you can't rationally comprehend this is hardly my fault.

/I'm not afraid of being wrong
//apparently this fact alone makes me Great Cthulu as far as FARK liberals are concerned


I percieved it as sarcasm. My bad.
 
2013-08-21 03:32:13 PM
Tatterdemalian:

/I'm not afraid of being wrong

Well of course not. You positively embrace it. Because you're farking insane.
 
2013-08-21 04:01:04 PM
I don't know which side is worse now.  It seems like two terrorist factions are fighting each other.  The prudent course of action seems to be let them get it over with and kill any belligerents who spill out of Syria. But, no. The US is wrapped up in the fallacy of assuming that the enemy of one's enemy is a friend.
 
2013-08-21 07:51:33 PM

Amos Quito: Apik0r0s: pag1107: Are people still riled up for us to get involved there?  Have they decided which side we should take?  We can either back a sociopathic dictator or al Qaeda, you chose.

As long as the result leaves Syria in gridlocked chaos then Israel is happy, and we will be happy too. Chaos benefits the strong over time. That's why Israel releases 30 or so hardcore zealot "terrorists" every time the Palestinians start to look reasonable, that's why we fired all of the police and the military in Iraq. Chaos.


Good times in Egypt right now as well, no?

Turkey is pointing the finger @ Israel.


Erdogan is trying to clear out the sucessful Kemalism that has made Turkey the only successful Middle Eastern Muslim Country, he would love the firestorm being on the other side of the Mediterranean and the focus of the worlds attention while he quietly continues stripping away at secularism in Turkey, and cracking down on protestors.

He has no proof Israel is behind it, but by saying that he will cause thousands of deaths.
 
2013-08-21 10:20:35 PM

spicorama: Did go in and intercede in Africa when many more than 600 people were/are killed in a single day during their non-stop wars?



Yes
 
2013-08-22 04:04:30 PM
http://eaworldview.com/2013/08/syria-today-50-killed-by-regime-attack - near-damascus-claim-of-poisonous-gases/

Video footage galore. See for your farking selves.

Constricted pupils. Constricted breathing. Convulsions. I.e. nerve gas.

Later on you can see two small children suffering the side effects of the atropine injections that saved them.
 
2013-08-22 06:15:03 PM

ocschwar: http://eaworldview.com/2013/08/syria-today-50-killed-by-regime-attack - near-damascus-claim-of-poisonous-gases/

Video footage galore. See for your farking selves.

Constricted pupils. Constricted breathing. Convulsions. I.e. nerve gas.

Later on you can see two small children suffering the side effects of the atropine injections that saved them.


Mmm hmm. Funny how they're now perfectly replicating the actual symptoms of nerve gas poisoning only after having been caught feigning non-nerve gas related symptoms. Let's see photos of the mass rat and insect kills in the affected area, which would happen well before humans started showing symptoms (and are much more difficult to fake, or induce by injecting atrophine into children that don't actually need it).

/atropine isn't a fun fix under any circumstances
//but as it directly counters the effects of nerve gas by blocking the receptors the nerve gas forces open, the side effects of atropine are significantly less pronounced when administered to someone that is suffering from nerve gas exposure
///if it were possible to perfectly balance the atropine injection with the nerve gas expozure, there would be no side effects of either, but that's so statistically far-fetched as to be impossible on any practicable level
 
2013-08-22 06:22:37 PM
Mmm hmm. Funny how they're now perfectly replicating the actual symptoms of nerve gas poisoning only after having been caught feigning non-nerve gas related symptoms. Let's see photos of the mass rat and insect kills in the affected area, which would happen well before humans started showing symptoms (and are much more difficult to fake, or induce by injecting atrophine into children that don't actually need it).


Atropine expands your pupils. Lots of ways to do that. But the eyes they show in the footage are constricted, i.e. from the sarin.
Or maybe you think these guys injected something else into the 8 year old in the first video clip?

The Internet's also filling up with footage of piles of dead sheep.

It was a sarin attack. Deal with it.
 
2013-08-22 06:29:37 PM

ocschwar: Atropine expands your pupils. Lots of ways to do that. But the eyes they show in the footage are constricted, i.e. from the sarin.
Or maybe you think these guys injected something else into the 8 year old in the first video clip?

The Internet's also filling up with footage of piles of dead sheep.

It was a sarin attack. Deal with it.


The boy who cried wolf got ignored and devoured when real wolves showed up. Deal with it.
 
2013-08-22 06:53:09 PM
The boy who cried wolf got ignored and devoured when real wolves showed up. Deal with it.

The people crying "wolf" here are the medics dealing with sarin gas victims in a hospital east of Damascus.
They have provided ample proof of their claims, using video footage.

And you, sir, are a dipshiat.
 
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