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(Reuters)   Cameron was behind the UK's detention of Miranda. Was the codename for this "Operation Save Beuller"?   (reuters.com) divider line 79
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2013-08-21 08:11:35 AM  
I guess it's pretty serious
 
2013-08-21 08:14:24 AM  
He wasn't dying. He just couldn't think of anything better to do.
 
2013-08-21 08:26:26 AM  
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2013-08-21 08:32:19 AM  
I've just skimmed the article, but I think the claim wrt Cameron relates to the destruction of the Guardian hard drives some time ago - not Miranda's detention.
 
2013-08-21 08:35:47 AM  
Having said that, which is just my reading of the article, I think it has already been reported that downing street had advance notice of the possibility of detaining miranda
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 08:36:21 AM  

21-7-b: I've just skimmed the article, but I think the claim wrt Cameron relates to the destruction of the Guardian hard drives some time ago - not Miranda's detention.


That's what it looks like to me.  I wouldn't be surprised if he ordered the Miranda thing too, but the headline is a bit misleading.
 
2013-08-21 08:39:35 AM  
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Shocked!
 
2013-08-21 08:47:34 AM  

21-7-b: Having said that, which is just my reading of the article, I think it has already been reported that downing street had advance notice of the possibility of detaining miranda


right but I believe this is more of "gave the order" and not "were aware they could pick him up"
 
2013-08-21 08:56:25 AM  
Well that is the way of the master.
 
2013-08-21 09:07:58 AM  

somedude210: 21-7-b: Having said that, which is just my reading of the article, I think it has already been reported that downing street had advance notice of the possibility of detaining miranda

right but I believe this is more of "gave the order" and not "were aware they could pick him up"


Was downing street informed that the officials could pick miranda up or that they intended to pick him up?

I don't know.

Was miranda placed on a watch-list beforehand, and if so, by whom?

Again, I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a team coordinating an ongoing casefile seeking to address (what is) a breach of security - in fact I'd very strongly, to the point of certainty, assume there is more than one such team globally
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 09:11:01 AM  

21-7-b: Again, I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a team coordinating an ongoing casefile seeking to address (what is) a breach of security - in fact I'd very strongly, to the point of certainty, assume there is more than one such team globally


Of course there is.  I don't know who is responsible, but espionage and leaks are nothing new.  There is certainly some procedure for coordinating a response between countries.
 
2013-08-21 09:23:50 AM  
When Miranda was in UK's land....let my Miranda goooooo
 
2013-08-21 09:25:44 AM  
Was he ever read his rights?
 
2013-08-21 09:36:34 AM  

21-7-b: I've just skimmed the article, but I think the claim wrt Cameron relates to the destruction of the Guardian hard drives some time ago - not Miranda's detention.


The Guardian destroyed the hard drives themselves. Straight from the horses mouth.
 
2013-08-21 09:36:47 AM  
Only David Cameron could think that seizing a hard drive at the Guardian would stop the leaking, so this makes perfect sense.
 
2013-08-21 09:41:38 AM  
Idiotically overconfident strongarm gesture that backfired making him look like a total ass?

This has Cameron written all over it.
 
2013-08-21 09:50:27 AM  
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2013-08-21 09:50:37 AM  
You can't stop the signal!
 
2013-08-21 09:51:42 AM  

basemetal: [image.spreadshirt.com image 280x280]


Welp, that's all I was looking for.
 
2013-08-21 09:53:21 AM  
Be very afraid.
 
2013-08-21 09:53:26 AM  

xanadian: Was he ever read his rights?


There are no Miranda rights in the UK.  That guy should really change his name.
 
2013-08-21 09:56:51 AM  

Diogenes: xanadian: Was he ever read his rights?

There are no Miranda rights in the UK.  That guy should really change his name.


Well for fairly obvious reasons they aren't called Miranda rights but there's a similar legal construct.


"You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention, when questioned, something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence. "
 
2013-08-21 09:57:09 AM  
To me the most telling and frightening bit is the govt official saying to the Guardian "you've had your fun. Now we want our stuff back."

That's a pretty breathtaking mentality. Completely dismisses the fifth estate- and public awareness- as mere childishness. You've had your fun, now let the handful of grown-ups who run things get back to work.

I know. Hardly a new mindset. But the brazenness of it is, I think; to actually say that... to the editor of a major newspaper... and just expect it to work.
 
2013-08-21 09:58:00 AM  
Can't wait to here "I'm not a crook!" with a brit accent.

www.voraciousrationalist.com
 
2013-08-21 10:00:04 AM  

Tigger: Well for fairly obvious reasons they aren't called Miranda rights but there's a similar legal construct.


I think...think...you may have missed the joke.
 
2013-08-21 10:03:06 AM  

brimed03: To me the most telling and frightening bit is the govt official saying to the Guardian "you've had your fun. Now we want our stuff back."

That's a pretty breathtaking mentality. Completely dismisses the fifth estate- and public awareness- as mere childishness. You've had your fun, now let the handful of grown-ups who run things get back to work.

I know. Hardly a new mindset. But the brazenness of it is, I think; to actually say that... to the editor of a major newspaper... and just expect it to work.


The press is the fourth estate.  The fifth estate is what lets you avoid having to explain the bad things you did in court.
 
2013-08-21 10:05:25 AM  

Tigger: Diogenes: xanadian: Was he ever read his rights?

There are no Miranda rights in the UK.  That guy should really change his name.

Well for fairly obvious reasons they aren't called Miranda rights but there's a similar legal construct.


"You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention, when questioned, something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence. "


That seems like a pretty big difference.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 10:06:43 AM  
I see the way things are in their country...
 
2013-08-21 10:08:20 AM  
p3.no

It's the High Jump for Sir Harry Pierce this time, The Cousins won't stand for it!
 
2013-08-21 10:09:19 AM  

Sticky Hands: Tigger: Diogenes: xanadian: Was he ever read his rights?

There are no Miranda rights in the UK.  That guy should really change his name.

Well for fairly obvious reasons they aren't called Miranda rights but there's a similar legal construct.


"You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention, when questioned, something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence. "

That seems like a pretty big difference.


"it may" is a weasle word that has no legal weight. The jury decides what does and doesn't harm your defence.
 
2013-08-21 10:11:20 AM  
The sources named the official as Heywood, who is Cameron's most senior policy adviser. "The prime minister asked the Cabinet Secretary to deal with this matter, that's true," one source told Reuters.

I wonder what Gene Masseth has to say about all of this.
 
2013-08-21 10:12:34 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: You can't stop the signal!


Hurray!! Leaving satisfied.
 
2013-08-21 10:15:19 AM  

Diogenes: Tigger: Well for fairly obvious reasons they aren't called Miranda rights but there's a similar legal construct.

I think...think...you may have missed the joke.


It's early and I'm attuned to "ZOMG THERE ARE NO RIGHTS IN EUROPE" or some such shiat.

apologies
 
2013-08-21 10:15:59 AM  

Tigger: Well for fairly obvious reasons they aren't called Miranda rights but there's a similar legal construct.


"You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention, when questioned, something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence. "


This doesn't apply for the super special "police can hold you for nine hours without arresting you and without giving you a lawyer if they claim it's relevant to a terrierist investigation" detention.
 
2013-08-21 10:16:49 AM  

Tigger: Diogenes: xanadian: Was he ever read his rights?

There are no Miranda rights in the UK.  That guy should really change his name.

Well for fairly obvious reasons they aren't called Miranda rights but there's a similar legal construct.


"You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention, when questioned, something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence. "


I don't believe the authorities have to say this during a Schedule seven detention. In fact, not answering questions fully could result in prosecution. This is the most horrifying piece of power that I think a democratized and free society should let its police have.
 
2013-08-21 10:17:49 AM  

Tigger


"You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention, when questioned, something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence. "


I learned that by watching 'Hot Fuzz'. True story.
 
2013-08-21 10:21:10 AM  
Dammit, subby, it's BUELLER.
 
2013-08-21 10:22:04 AM  
Can't stop terrorists, so they had to show how tough they are and beat up journalists.
When they aren't shooting journalists from helicopters, then getting pissed for being called on it.
Real tough guys, real tough... on truth tellers.

Can't stop a real terrorist, though.

Farktwits.
 
2013-08-21 10:22:38 AM  
Beuller?
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2013-08-21 10:26:23 AM  

xanadian: Was he ever read his rights?



He would probably of been cautioned.    However due to the location being technically international waters it wouldn't of been the usual caution that is used in the UK and serves roughly the same function as Miranda; to inform a person under arrest what their rights are.

If you're in the UK and plod says this to you:

" I am arresting you [for whatever] you do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence "

Your first, last and only statement is:  I would like to speak to a solicitor.  As you've just been officially nicked.
 
2013-08-21 10:26:30 AM  
So was the Guardian forced to destroy the hard drives or did they make the decision on their own ? It's now been reported as both and I'm confused.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 10:28:39 AM  

shastacola: So was the Guardian forced to destroy the hard drives or did they make the decision on their own ? It's now been reported as both and I'm confused.


MI5 people told them it had to be done so they did it.  Probably cheaper than paying for a Solicitor.
 
2013-08-21 10:28:49 AM  
Cameron,

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2013-08-21 10:31:43 AM  

vudukungfu: Can't stop a real terrorist, though.


Real terrorists use nail bombs stuffed in to bins, 4t wagons loaded with fertilizer and diesel and similar weapons.   It's actually quite hard to stop someone tossing a pipe stuffed with explosives and ball bearings in to a bin and quietly walking away.

Which is why on train stations and towns/cities you won't find any actual bins; those you do find will usually be isolated from the shops and such that are nearby.

It's more about trying to stop people entering the country illegally and most if not all terrorists entering a country have valid travel documents.
 
2013-08-21 10:38:35 AM  

Cybernetic: Dammit, subby, it's BUELLER.


Though, technically, it should really be Operation Save Ferris.
 
2013-08-21 10:38:46 AM  

basemetal: [image.spreadshirt.com image 280x280]


They all just stopped doing everything.
 
2013-08-21 10:38:55 AM  
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d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 10:41:55 AM  
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2013-08-21 10:42:49 AM  
This is in no way shameful or disgusting.
 
2013-08-21 10:43:07 AM  
Pray for Oberon
 
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