Jon Snow: Arsten: Wow. So exactly what I said. A fudge factor.Look, buddy. I'm sure you're a nice guy and all. Good to your pets, call your mom on her birthday and what not.But somewhere along the line, there's been a disconnect. You've dramatically overestimated your ability to have a discussion about this subject. You are simply too ignorant to recognize your ignorance. Don't feel too bad, as this happens to a lot of people. But it's important for you to understand that this is happening, and STOP. Just stop.Take a step back, clear your head, set aside your ego, and listen:A feedback mechanism is not a "fudge factor". Someone who believes this to be true simply cannot have a remotely informed discussion about planetary energy balance.This is not a terribly difficult concept to understand- undergraduates across a number of disciplines learn about them every year.Do you know what Stefan-Boltzmann is? If you had a little bit of physics somewhere along the line, then you do. If not, you may still have heard of it.(Re-)familiarize yourself with it. Reread it a few times to make sure you understand it. Now- think about what happens to the equilibrium surface temperature of a body when it receives an increase in energy. What does the proportional difference between radiated energy and temperature mean? Does it sound, perhaps, an awful lot like a feedback- specifically a negative feedback?Can you understand this? If not, don't worry. You probably already know someone who can explain it to you. If you don't, you can reach out to a local university and ask someone in their physics, engineering, or atmospheric science department to help you out. There is no shame in asking for help. The shameful thing to do is to pretend you know what you're talking about when you obviously don't.When you can understand the concept of a feedback mechanism and recognize that it is no way a "fudge factor" but rather is a fundamental concept in energy flows within systems, I'll be happy t ...
Arsten: Science is not advanced by consensus.
Jon Snow: By and large, this really has nothing to do with the huge discrepancy between public opinion on this issue, and the scientific consensus. Rather, there is a clear ideological/cultural cognition effect, as well as an information deficit/misinformation surplus. In other words, people filter the news they consume according to worldview, and also tend to just be generally un-/ill-informed on the topic. The perception of climate scientists as "activists" has no real impact on public opinion that is not already accounted for by these factors.So this might hold true for you personally, or some blogger that you read, but for the general public your explanation is bullshiat.
Arsten: However, activists (such as 'lolgore' which sounds like someone slaughtering while laughing.....and so i like it) for curbing as much human activity as possible in the name of global warming, especially when some of those activists are also climate scientists, make the climate science community look bad. (As do lazy journalists who print the words "global warming" in anything even remotely related to climate, weather, or temperatures.)
jaybeezey: Damn you Global Climate Change! !
dkimball: Are you trying to say that Mother Nature isn't as predictable as we thought?
pdee: Thanks Global Warming.
trappedspirit: They have plenty of footage they could air about how global warming caused by humans is going to lead to more and stronger storm systems than anything we have seen before.
brimed03: Sweeps Week: boobie-shaped clouds.
Bartman66: jaybeezey: Damn you Global Climate Change! !But I thought climate change meant MORE tornadoes? and they were going to be 10X and intense?
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