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d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 08:46:21 AM
4 votes:
I would be less concerned if the NRA had not become of front for gun manufacturers.

Anyone that thinks they are a group for gun owners is deluded past the point of reasoning with them.
2013-08-21 08:37:04 AM
4 votes:
I love how intellectually dishonest this article is. The NRA has a mailing list, holy crap.
2013-08-21 09:08:40 AM
2 votes:

AngryDragon: Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.

If the ACLU defended the 2nd Amendment the NRA would go back to what it was originally intended to be, a shooting club.  Gun owners flock to the NRA because it's the only 2A rights organization with any clout.


LOL. Oh you. The NRA, much like a church, needs its members to generate revenue. They don't care about gun laws because they think the2nd amendment will allow you, Rusty, and the boys at the VFW to win the battle of Shiatkick Hill in a war against the government. They need your dues. They advocate for the rights of gun MANUFACTURERS to make sure they're allowed to keep selling you death. If Congress passed a law that said, "All NRA members are allowed to own whatever guns they want too, but non-members are forbidden from owning a firearm", do you think the NRA would fight for the rights of the non-members on the grounds that they believe in the 2nd amendment?
2013-08-21 09:02:48 AM
2 votes:

El_Frijole_Blanco: AngryDragon: El_Frijole_Blanco: AngryDragon: Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.

If the ACLU defended the 2nd Amendment the NRA would go back to what it was originally intended to be, a shooting club.  Gun owners flock to the NRA because it's the only 2A rights organization with any clout.

Yet the NRA supported Romney over Obama, because it is all about the 2nd amendment?

Which has what to do with the ACLU treating the 2nd amendment as a scarlet letter?

The rank and file NRA member would never support the ACLU is pretty much the point


I'm fairly certain you're wrong there.  Many gun owners, like me, are socially very liberal, educated, and progressive.  I maintain an NRA membership specifically because they defend the 2nd amendment.  It's pretty painful actually to be associated with the closed-minded, xenophobic, "god-fearing" type that the NRA seems to be associated with.  Since there is no powerful alternative, I stay.

If the ACLU supported the 2nd, there would be a complete exodus by people like me.  It is fairly hypocritical for them not to.
2013-08-21 08:53:57 AM
2 votes:

jayhawk88: Step 1: Convince gun owners the NRA is secretly tracking their gun purchases
Step 2: Warglebargle
Step 3: NRA membership drains, and it's almost impossible for them to keep records for what members remain

BRILLIANT!


You missed the part where even if you quit the NRA they still keep you on their mailing lists, which they actively SELL to Republican candidate election campaigns.
2013-08-21 08:44:53 AM
2 votes:

AngryDragon: Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.

If the ACLU defended the 2nd Amendment the NRA would go back to what it was originally intended to be, a shooting club.  Gun owners flock to the NRA because it's the only 2A rights organization with any clout.


Yet the NRA supported Romney over Obama, because it is all about the 2nd amendment?
2013-08-21 08:41:20 AM
2 votes:

The Name: NRA members won't care as long as it isn't the fedrul gub'mint amassing a database.

Now, if we find out that the NSA has access to this database . . .

Oh wait, they still won't care.


You're right. The NRA having a list of people they send emails and newsletters to is totally the same as the government creating a list of serialized firearms every American owns. This article has a garbage premise.
2013-08-21 08:37:18 AM
2 votes:

Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.


If the ACLU defended the 2nd Amendment the NRA would go back to what it was originally intended to be, a shooting club.  Gun owners flock to the NRA because it's the only 2A rights organization with any clout.
2013-08-21 08:34:28 AM
2 votes:
The NSA also has one, its called "anyone who has Googled ffor dock enlargement pills"
2013-08-21 01:24:03 PM
1 votes:

lordjupiter: I'm very anti-spam but I'm realistic about what gets collected on the internet and by stores.


...And yet you say that I'm "rationalization for excusing the NRA" when you just admitted they aren't doing anything that everyone else also does... That's amazing in a very special sort of way.

HotWingConspiracy: ANY group of armed black people marching will not sit right with NRA backers, and the NRA likes their money.


I'm confused... I thought the current talking point was that the NRA was the pawn of gun companies and that's where their funding comes from.  Are we now reversing that and saying that the NRA is the pawn of racists and that's where their money comes from?

Can we please try to keep the talking points straight?
2013-08-21 12:24:34 PM
1 votes:
Anyone with a brain knew this, anyone with a brain knew the government has this list.
2013-08-21 11:33:41 AM
1 votes:

Witness99: I would like this to be a weapon free country. Not just guns, nukes and everything else. I don't want to shoot people. I don't want to nuke people. I don't want to do anything to people.


Unfortunately everyone is not an enlightened pacifist like you.

To imagine a world with no guns is to imagine a world in which the strong rule the weak, in which women are dominated by men, and in which minorities are easily abused or mass-murdered by majorities. Practically speaking, a firearm is the only weapon that allows a weaker person to defend himself from a larger, stronger group of attackers, and to do so at a distance. As George Orwell observed, a weapon like a rifle "gives claws to the weak."

The failure of imagination among people who yearn for a gun-free world is their naive assumption that getting rid of claws will get rid of the desire to dominate and kill. They fail to acknowledge the undeniable fact that when the weak are deprived of claws (or firearms), the strong will have access to other weapons, including sheer muscle power. A gun-free world would be much more dangerous for women, and much safer for brutes and tyrants.
2013-08-21 10:47:24 AM
1 votes:

coeyagi: The bolded text would suggest they would support a universal background check.  They do not even when 90% of the country does.


The NRA helped create the background checks that are in place for the purchase of a firearm from a dealer.  The NRA won't support backgrounds checks for transfers between private citizens until and unless some solid protections are put in place to define a transfer in a solid manner that won't criminalize a person for going out of town for business without conducting a background check on his wife for all the firearms he leaves in the house... which the ATF currently defines as a transfer.
2013-08-21 10:47:06 AM
1 votes:

Aristocles: PopularFront: Aristocles: PopularFront: It's likely trivial for the government to get their hands on it.

Indeed, I agree with you. It's not a problem for the NRA to compile a list for fundraising and the like. The problem is that it's now a trivial act for Obama to access this information unConstitutionally.

I would consider most of the NSA privacy transgressions to be unconstitutional yet they remain the law.  Given their capabilities, getting this list (or recreating it from tracked email) would be trivial.  Why isn't the NRA lobbying to restrict the NSA's mandate?

The last I heard, Obama has not ordered the unConstitutional seizure of these "lists."


If he had (or has) ordered the seizure of these lists it's unlikely you'd hear about it until someone involved leaked the info to the press.  You seem fixated on Obama but if we don't restrict the capability, who's to say one of the next few administrations doesn't order the seizure?
2013-08-21 10:40:14 AM
1 votes:
Because no private organization has ever taken advantage of their customer's information, or changed hands to someone who would.  No private organization has ever accidentally mailed out customer's information, or gotten hacked, or left a laptop in a taxi.
2013-08-21 10:29:52 AM
1 votes:

Aristocles: Indeed, I agree with you. It's not a problem for the NRA to compile a list for fundraising and the like. The problem is that it's now a trivial act for Obama to access this information unConstitutionally.


So.... Bad NRA because they haven't taken precautions to protect themselves from tyrannical and over-reaching government which could unconstitutionally violate everyone rights?

If only there was and Amendment to deal with that sort of thing...and an organization to defend it.
2013-08-21 10:26:46 AM
1 votes:
Englebert Slaptyback:
Romney - sponsored AWB in MA
Obama - nothing of the sort


Obama two months after the election tries to ban everything.  It's almost as if the NRA saw that one coming....
2013-08-21 10:25:50 AM
1 votes:

Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

Is Obama the only black guy you know of?

No, but um, he had a much better pro-gun track record than Romney.  "But he's a black librul!  ZOMG!  Vote for Romney who voted for an assault weapons ban! DUURRRRRRR HERRRR!" -NRA

Obamas voting record was not pro gun. Obamas stance on firearms was not pro gun.

unless you can prove it was through the use of citations.

in before NASHUNAL PARKS!!!

Obama as an executive has never done anything to roll back rights for gun owners.  Romney as an executive has.  You lose.

You misspelled national parks, btw, and not in an ironic hipster liberal kinda way.  You're a conservative, I am sure it was an intentional deliberate misspelling based on ignorance and lack of education.

He endorsed the Illinois handgun ban, voted to prevent people from defending themselves in their home, feels that the 2nd doesn't apply to states allowing states to ban firearms outright, stated Bush erred in letting the AWB expire, wanted to ban all semi automatics.

Obama has done nothing to ban firearms as a white person either. Or as an Oklahoman....I am technically correct, deal with it.


You are technically incorrect.  Endorsing sh*t does not mean he has actually done anything as an executive.  Remember that L word I kept calling you last week?  You're being one of those again.
2013-08-21 10:23:08 AM
1 votes:
As someone who is contemplating buying a handgun or two in the near future (there is a gun range opening near my house) what manufacturers would other gun owners recommend.

I am looking at getting a .22 pistol, a .44 magnum and something in between. Budget for all three would be about $3,000
2013-08-21 10:18:09 AM
1 votes:

Giltric: Englebert Slaptyback: Romney - sponsored AWB in MA

No.

The MA legislature put forward a bill that banned outright all "assault weapons".

He said no way I'm signing that, marry the bill to the language of the federal legislation.

The bill he signed did not ban assault weapons, the bill he signed allowed MA residents to purchase assault weapons manufactured prior to 1994.

Would you like to know more?


How about you?  Would you like to know more?

"I believe the people should have the right to bear arms, but I don't believe that we have to have assault weapons as part of our personal arsenal," he said on Fox News in 2004.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/07/20/romney-once-supported-assau lt -weapons-ban/
2013-08-21 10:15:08 AM
1 votes:

Giltric: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

Is Obama the only black guy you know of?

No, but um, he had a much better pro-gun track record than Romney.  "But he's a black librul!  ZOMG!  Vote for Romney who voted for an assault weapons ban! DUURRRRRRR HERRRR!" -NRA

Obamas voting record was not pro gun. Obamas stance on firearms was not pro gun.

unless you can prove it was through the use of citations.

in before NASHUNAL PARKS!!!


Obama as an executive has never done anything to roll back rights for gun owners.  Romney as an executive has.  You lose.

You misspelled national parks, btw, and not in an ironic hipster liberal kinda way.  You're a conservative, I am sure it was an intentional deliberate misspelling based on ignorance and lack of education.
2013-08-21 10:12:12 AM
1 votes:

Frank N Stein: So, what philosophy is that?


The philosophy of giving lip service to the "real problems" (city handgun violence, mental health), but never supporting any changes or improvements of meaningful natures?

The philosophy of paranoia and victimization that leads to stalwart opposition to even the most well supported and innocuous of controls?

The coupling of said Paranoia and Victimization with relaxing laws about carry and about pre-emptive "defense"/stand your ground/no witnesses laws?

These people clearly don't want to help anything, they want to keep fears high so they stay in business and sell more guns. It's all a show, and one that encourages some bad habits and ideas in people along the way (while arming them).
2013-08-21 10:08:19 AM
1 votes:

hobberwickey: Aristocles: hobberwickey: Am I the only one who doesn't understand why the government WOULDN'T have a database of all guns and who they belong to? How is that a bad thing?

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Yes totally stupid to not understand how a database that could be used to instantly identify the owner of a gun used in a crime is a bas thing. The question is more, why NOT have a database like that rather than why have one?


Philadelphia was able to change the percentage of unsolved murders from 80% or so to 10% or so without needing a database of gun owners. They hired a new chief who focused on police work....like asking questions and whatnot.
2013-08-21 10:02:41 AM
1 votes:

Frank N Stein: LasersHurt: Frank N Stein: In fact, it's telling that you think opposing gun control is "dangerous"

I think it's telling that you can't avoid conflating two different things to make a false accusation against me.

Oh, then do tell me how the NRA is dangerous.


Because: 

LasersHurt: I think they knowingly abuse peoples' emotions, and I think the philosophy they actively or tacitly support about guns is dangerous.


If you're capable of the reading comprehension necessary to ask an accurate question, I await it.
2013-08-21 10:00:05 AM
1 votes:
This text is now purple:

It's a serious question. Jesse has a rep as this great civil rights leader, but I struggled to come up with something he's actually done, beyond riding the right set of coat-tails. He's like the black GB2.

As to the original point, I just want you to be consistent. You're a single-issue voter, except for this. There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.



And I'm sure you've spend countless hours studying the life of Jesse Jackson to come to that determination. I called him a profiteer and I'm still supposed to defend him because ...black? I don't know. Do you think we walk around with lists of every organization that's said something positive about a black person to determine who to support? I don't go to McDonalds just because they have a black kid in the commercial breakdancing with a McGriddle in his mouth. But, I think the real takeaway from your comments is that you finally realize that there is a disparity in America between how whites and blacks are treated. You're coming along, son.
2013-08-21 09:56:40 AM
1 votes:

Frank N Stein: In fact, it's telling that you think opposing gun control is "dangerous"


I think it's telling that you can't avoid conflating two different things to make a false accusation against me.
2013-08-21 09:56:29 AM
1 votes:
Am I the only one who doesn't understand why the government WOULDN'T have a database of all guns and who they belong to? How is that a bad thing?
2013-08-21 09:54:50 AM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: Frank N Stein: LasersHurt: Frank N Stein: NRA is a good organization

You're a funny man sometimes.

They've stood tall and helped kill a lot of gun control measures, which I do not support, on the State and federal level. They also do pretty good work with gun safety classes.

A lot of horrible people have done one or two good things, too. I think they're a ridiculous farce of an organization which has grown corrupt and politicized beyond repair. I think they knowingly abuse peoples' emotions, and I think the philosophy they actively or tacitly support about guns is dangerous.

Give me a more tempered organization who fights honestly and I can get behind it, but the NRA is slimy these days.


Well I disagree. In fact, it's telling that you think opposing gun control is "dangerous", and shows that the preceding arguments you made are based on that bias.

It seems to me that the NRA, to you, is too hard-nose. You want a pro-gun organization that is less effective and will roll over.
2013-08-21 09:32:26 AM
1 votes:
I am a gun owner. I will not give a penny to the NRA. Not one cent. Especially after the last presidential campaign in which they gave an F to Obama (grading candidates based on 2A policies, etc.) and an A to Romney. Obama, early in his first term, legalized the carry of firearms in National Parks, and enacted no anti gun legislation during his first term. Romney, on the other hand, enacted an assault weapons ban in 2004 in his home state. Now, we can bicker all day about whether or not these are good or bad things. That is not the point. The point is that the NRA decided to ignore the fact that Romney signed the bill into law, and decided to support him (Cuz Republican, that's why), and conveniently forgot that Obama took the opposite route. The NRA doesn't care what you actually do, they only care about what you say you will do. Absolutely ridiculous. Want to support gun rights? Join GOA or JPFO, or something similar. And dont vote for idiots. And dont make reasonable gun owners look like morons. And I am running out of steam and I am done now.
2013-08-21 09:29:16 AM
1 votes:

Uranus Is Huge!: So everyone is fine if the Brady Campaign uses the same tactics to compile a database of guns and their owners?


Shocking that someone on Fark is uninformed...  Nah.  NEWSFLASH:  The NRA doesn't have a database of guns and their owners.  They have a database of people who through direct or indirect action have expressed interest in firearms, firearms related items or activities or the shooting sports

If you ever bought anything from Cheaperthandirt.com or sportsmansguide.com, the NRA has you in their database.
2013-08-21 09:25:39 AM
1 votes:

This text is now purple: DROxINxTHExWIND: LOL. Oh you. The NRA, much like a church, needs its members to generate revenue. They don't care about gun laws because they think the2nd amendment will allow you, Rusty, and the boys at the VFW to win the battle of Shiatkick Hill in a war against the government.

You of all people.

The one time the NRA was behind a group actively opposing the government, it was in support of black suffrage. I would think that's the sort of thing you could get behind.



This guy. If i support an organization simply because they've supported blacks it means I'm a racist. But, if I don't take race into consideration when commenting it means that I SHOULD have taken race into consideration. Make up your mind.

Also, the fact that they were once on the right side of history doesn't mean they're not profiteers now.***


/***See Sharpton, Al; Jackson, Jesse
2013-08-21 09:24:56 AM
1 votes:
So everyone is fine if the Brady Campaign uses the same tactics to compile a database of guns and their owners?
2013-08-21 09:19:40 AM
1 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: LOL. Oh you. The NRA, much like a church, needs its members to generate revenue. They don't care about gun laws because they think the2nd amendment will allow you, Rusty, and the boys at the VFW to win the battle of Shiatkick Hill in a war against the government.


You of all people.

The one time the NRA was behind a group actively opposing the government, it was in support of black suffrage. I would think that's the sort of thing you could get behind.
2013-08-21 09:08:00 AM
1 votes:

Wyalt Derp: Don_cos: And how do you unarmed fools, plan to round up these gun owners?

Giant magnets.


OK.  That was funny.

*golf clap*
2013-08-21 09:02:56 AM
1 votes:
Wait, a "club" with a "membership" keeps a "list" of its "members"?

OMG!

Stupid farking article is farking stupid.
2013-08-21 08:55:49 AM
1 votes:
Sure is a lot of rationalizing going in in this thread.

You ammosexuals do realize, given recent revelations about the NSA, that if there's a giant database about guns and their owners, the government already has a copy, don't you?
2013-08-21 08:51:27 AM
1 votes:

El_Frijole_Blanco: AngryDragon: Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.

If the ACLU defended the 2nd Amendment the NRA would go back to what it was originally intended to be, a shooting club.  Gun owners flock to the NRA because it's the only 2A rights organization with any clout.

Yet the NRA supported Romney over Obama, because it is all about the 2nd amendment?


Which has what to do with the ACLU treating the 2nd amendment as a scarlet letter?
2013-08-21 08:51:09 AM
1 votes:
You mean the NRA has a secret list of people who signed up for stuff with the NRA?

SAY IT AIN"T SO!!1!
2013-08-21 08:47:35 AM
1 votes:

El_Frijole_Blanco: AngryDragon: Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.

If the ACLU defended the 2nd Amendment the NRA would go back to what it was originally intended to be, a shooting club.  Gun owners flock to the NRA because it's the only 2A rights organization with any clout.

Yet the NRA supported Romney over Obama, because it is all about the 2nd amendment?



It's funny when people pretend that the NRA is something more than a gun industry lobbying group / political partner of the GOP.
2013-08-21 08:45:24 AM
1 votes:

IdBeCrazyIf: What's funny is that more than likely one could use existing commerce data to extrapolate who might be existing gun owners based on your age, race, location, purchases, and online activity.

Yet, people bemoan government databases and willfully ignore the private ones.



That's the crazy part of it.  The government barely needs to maintain its databases, because private companies already maintain massive databases that they can just subpoena.
2013-08-21 08:44:37 AM
1 votes:

Pants full of macaroni!!: Wouldn't that be, um, their mailing list?


It sounds like this includes people who have not joined the NRA, including    lists of attendees of gun show , or gathering names of new owners from the thousands of gun-safety classes taught by NRA-certified instructor ...

I'm not sure all of those people signed up to be on the NRA mailing list.
2013-08-21 08:43:47 AM
1 votes:

TheMysteriousStranger: It means they don't really fear that an authoritarian American government will use such a list against gun owners.
Even an idiot knows that it would be pretty damn easy for the government to get that entire database if it was willing to engage in less than ethical means.


And do what? Getting an email from the NRA says nothing about whether you own guns and what type of guns you own.
2013-08-21 08:42:25 AM
1 votes:
The only thing to stop bad guys with a huge database is a good guy with a huge database.
2013-08-21 08:42:25 AM
1 votes:
It means they don't really fear that an authoritarian American government will use such a list against gun owners.
Even an idiot knows that it would be pretty damn easy for the government to get that entire database if it was willing to engage in less than ethical means.
2013-08-21 08:39:48 AM
1 votes:
Quite a difference between a NRA secret data base compared to a mandated government secret data base.
2013-08-21 08:38:34 AM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The NSA also has one, its called "anyone who has Googled ffor dock enlargement pills"


Pills for dock enlargement.  When I got a larger boat I had to hire a crew of red necks (Central Missouri Ozarks) to build a larger dock.  How would a pill do that, do you toss it in the water by end of the dock?
2013-08-21 08:36:50 AM
1 votes:
   The NRA is an organization secretly created by the government in order to control both sides of the gun control debate.  It is just show opposition to give the illusion of freedom.  The government knew the would never be able to collect the data by legislation but people will voluntarily give up that information to supposed opposition to the government.
   Well now they have is suckers and they will come in their jack boots to take your guns.
   LOL you thought that large organizations and corporations were different than the government.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 08:35:52 AM
1 votes:
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2013-08-21 08:34:27 AM
1 votes:
I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.
2013-08-21 08:33:46 AM
1 votes:
This will be great! When we finally takeover all the markets we can then use the list the NRA compiled and begin to target the gun users for re-education! I think possibly even get some free labor out of them too when they fight back and we have to put them in prison!
 
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