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2013-08-21 10:40:29 AM  
 
2013-08-21 10:40:54 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Or I was providing an example of the NRA *not* supporting such a person in arguably the highest-profile election in the country, in clear contradiction to an earlier post from give me doughnuts.



When the fark did I say anything about who the NRA supported in an election?
 
2013-08-21 10:41:00 AM  

Click Click D'oh: PopularFront: If the NRA would wave a wand and make the 2nd amendment unrestrictable they wouldn't do it.  It would put them out of business and that's against their interest as an organization.  They are like Rush Limbaugh, they make more money when a Democrat is in power.

No, they wouldn't do it because the NRA has always supported certain "gun control" measures and always will.  They just have a line where they consider things to go from acceptable to unacceptable.  The NRA has always supported restrictions on who can posses firearms.

The perception that the NRA is opposed to all "gun control" measures isn't just shared by liberals though.  It's pervasive.  Almost every class I teach, I have the same exchange based on our rules:

Me:  This is an NRA firearms course.  The NRA prohibits the possession of live ammunition in the classroom portion.  Anyone that has a CHL or is a police officer, please take any ammunition you have out of the classroom

Random Student.:  But, I have a CHL.  I'm allowed to carry a gun

Me:  Quite so, but you can't have any ammunition for it while in class

Random Student:  But, you're the NRA.  I don't get it.

Me:  Please, ammunition out of class

Random Student:  But I have a right!!!!!!

It's quite tiresome.


The bolded text would suggest they would support a universal background check.  They do not even when 90% of the country does.
 
2013-08-21 10:41:00 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.

Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?


He seemed pretty popular to me...
 
2013-08-21 10:42:32 AM  

AngryDragon: LasersHurt: What universe do you live in?

Now, now.  Let's not be totally disingenuous...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-shoul d- have-all-gun-owners-up-in-arms/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/obama-gun-prop os als/index.html


Did they change the word "all"? Because I'm going on what he said, which was "all."
 
2013-08-21 10:43:34 AM  

coeyagi: redmid17: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

Is Obama the only black guy you know of?

No, but um, he had a much better pro-gun track record than Romney.  "But he's a black librul!  ZOMG!  Vote for Romney who voted for an assault weapons ban! DUURRRRRRR HERRRR!" -NRA

Obamas voting record was not pro gun. Obamas stance on firearms was not pro gun.

unless you can prove it was through the use of citations.

in before NASHUNAL PARKS!!!

Obama as an executive has never done anything to roll back rights for gun owners.  Romney as an executive has.  You lose.

You misspelled national parks, btw, and not in an ironic hipster liberal kinda way.  You're a conservative, I am sure it was an intentional deliberate misspelling based on ignorance and lack of education.

He endorsed the Illinois handgun ban, voted to prevent people from defending themselves in their home, feels that the 2nd doesn't apply to states allowing states to ban firearms outright, stated Bush erred in letting the AWB expire, wanted to ban all semi automatics.

Obama has done nothing to ban firearms as a white person either. Or as an Oklahoman....I am technically correct, deal with it.

You are technically incorrect.  Endorsing sh*t does not mean he has actually done anything as an executive.  Remember that L word I kept calling you last week?  You're being one of those again.

Fun fact: Before Obama signed the Credit Card act, which included the national parks CCW rider introduced by Coburn, his administration declined to defend this action started by the Bush administration but which had been blocked by a federal judge.

So before Obama signed a piece of legislation that was a cornerstone of his domestic economic policy, h ...


I wasn't a fan of Romney at all, and his gun rights stance is pretty abysmal. That said Obama has a pretty clear history of a view on gun rights I drastically disagree with.

You're also glossing over the fact that the Mass legislature would have overridden his veto of any AWB, so you could probably spin it that he was trying to mitigate the number of restrictions or something to that effect.

Either way the NRA picked Romney because he would have been a "yes man" in office on gun rights, not because he had a sweet history of supporting the NRA.

Then again I voted for neither of them, so I'm not even sure why I'm debating the point.
 
2013-08-21 10:44:01 AM  

AngryDragon: Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.

If the ACLU defended the 2nd Amendment the NRA would go back to what it was originally intended to be, a shooting club.  Gun owners flock to the NRA because it's the only 2A rights organization with any clout.


this!
 
2013-08-21 10:44:16 AM  

coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

Is Obama the only black guy you know of?

No, but um, he had a much better pro-gun track record than Romney.  "But he's a black librul!  ZOMG!  Vote for Romney who voted for an assault weapons ban! DUURRRRRRR HERRRR!" -NRA

Obamas voting record was not pro gun. Obamas stance on firearms was not pro gun.

unless you can prove it was through the use of citations.

in before NASHUNAL PARKS!!!

Obama as an executive has never done anything to roll back rights for gun owners.  Romney as an executive has.  You lose.

You misspelled national parks, btw, and not in an ironic hipster liberal kinda way.  You're a conservative, I am sure it was an intentional deliberate misspelling based on ignorance and lack of education.

He endorsed the Illinois handgun ban, voted to prevent people from defending themselves in their home, feels that the 2nd doesn't apply to states allowing states to ban firearms outright, stated Bush erred in letting the AWB expire, wanted to ban all semi automatics.

Obama has done nothing to ban firearms as a white person either. Or as an Oklahoman....I am technically correct, deal with it.

You are technically incorrect.  Endorsing sh*t does not mean he has actually done anything as an executive.  Remember that L word I kept calling you last week?  You're being one of those again.

No I don't, can you refresh my memory?

You used a quote by Romney to show how he was in favor of banning assault weapons, but here you are saying an endorsement by Obama doesn't count, only what he has done as executive.

That sounds like you have a different set of rules for the person based on the letter R or D after their name.

No, the rules haven ...


So you have republican obstructionism to thank for your ability to argue Obamas stance on firearms?
 
2013-08-21 10:44:16 AM  

Giltric


Yes, and I have explained to you the difference in the bills. One of which Assault Weapon Ban he refused to sign without any changes and the other Assault Weapon Ban with changes that he actually signed.


Yeah, that's a big difference. *eyeroll*

Romney himself used the term 'Assault Weapon Ban' to describe his piece of legislation. If you want to argue that it wasn't an AWB, knock yourself out. I'll be over here making sense. HAND.
 
2013-08-21 10:45:24 AM  

LasersHurt: AngryDragon: LasersHurt: What universe do you live in?

Now, now.  Let's not be totally disingenuous...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-shoul d- have-all-gun-owners-up-in-arms/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/obama-gun-prop os als/index.html

Did they change the word "all"? Because I'm going on what he said, which was "all."


No, but let's not pretend that the President hasn't rattled the cage or pressed for legislation at all.
 
2013-08-21 10:46:34 AM  
Until effective laws are in place controlling criminal gun ownership, I will have guns. And know how to use them.

This felon who recently shot up a school....I don't think he gives a shiat about your ideas on gun control.
 
2013-08-21 10:46:38 AM  

Frank N Stein: there their theyre: As someone who is contemplating buying a handgun or two in the near future (there is a gun range opening near my house) what manufacturers would other gun owners recommend.

I am looking at getting a .22 pistol, a .44 magnum and something in between. Budget for all three would be about $3,000

What's your experience with guns? If you have little experience, get a decent .22 first.


Thousands of rounds worth of experience. Shoot w/ friends and relatives whenever I get the chance. Just never bought one since there was no where nearby to go, but now there is.
 
2013-08-21 10:46:59 AM  

This text is now purple


Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.

Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

He seemed pretty popular to me...


In general, yes, but not popular with the NRA membership.
 
2013-08-21 10:47:06 AM  

Aristocles: PopularFront: Aristocles: PopularFront: It's likely trivial for the government to get their hands on it.

Indeed, I agree with you. It's not a problem for the NRA to compile a list for fundraising and the like. The problem is that it's now a trivial act for Obama to access this information unConstitutionally.

I would consider most of the NSA privacy transgressions to be unconstitutional yet they remain the law.  Given their capabilities, getting this list (or recreating it from tracked email) would be trivial.  Why isn't the NRA lobbying to restrict the NSA's mandate?

The last I heard, Obama has not ordered the unConstitutional seizure of these "lists."


If he had (or has) ordered the seizure of these lists it's unlikely you'd hear about it until someone involved leaked the info to the press.  You seem fixated on Obama but if we don't restrict the capability, who's to say one of the next few administrations doesn't order the seizure?
 
2013-08-21 10:47:14 AM  

AngryDragon: LasersHurt: AngryDragon: LasersHurt: What universe do you live in?

Now, now.  Let's not be totally disingenuous...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-shoul d- have-all-gun-owners-up-in-arms/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/obama-gun-prop os als/index.html

Did they change the word "all"? Because I'm going on what he said, which was "all."

No, but let's not pretend that the President hasn't rattled the cage or pressed for legislation at all.


Nobody is pretending that. Someone is pretending he tried to ban all guns. That's what's being pretended.
 
2013-08-21 10:47:22 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Giltric

Yes, and I have explained to you the difference in the bills. One of which Assault Weapon Ban he refused to sign without any changes and the other Assault Weapon Ban with changes that he actually signed.


Yeah, that's a big difference. *eyeroll*

Romney himself used the term 'Assault Weapon Ban' to describe his piece of legislation. If you want to argue that it wasn't an AWB, knock yourself out. I'll be over here making sense. HAND.


Can you purchase an AR 15 in MA today due to the legislation signed by Mitt Romney.

Yes or no will suffice.
 
2013-08-21 10:47:24 AM  

coeyagi: The bolded text would suggest they would support a universal background check.  They do not even when 90% of the country does.


The NRA helped create the background checks that are in place for the purchase of a firearm from a dealer.  The NRA won't support backgrounds checks for transfers between private citizens until and unless some solid protections are put in place to define a transfer in a solid manner that won't criminalize a person for going out of town for business without conducting a background check on his wife for all the firearms he leaves in the house... which the ATF currently defines as a transfer.
 
2013-08-21 10:47:31 AM  

Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

Is Obama the only black guy you know of?

No, but um, he had a much better pro-gun track record than Romney.  "But he's a black librul!  ZOMG!  Vote for Romney who voted for an assault weapons ban! DUURRRRRRR HERRRR!" -NRA

Obamas voting record was not pro gun. Obamas stance on firearms was not pro gun.

unless you can prove it was through the use of citations.

in before NASHUNAL PARKS!!!

Obama as an executive has never done anything to roll back rights for gun owners.  Romney as an executive has.  You lose.

You misspelled national parks, btw, and not in an ironic hipster liberal kinda way.  You're a conservative, I am sure it was an intentional deliberate misspelling based on ignorance and lack of education.

He endorsed the Illinois handgun ban, voted to prevent people from defending themselves in their home, feels that the 2nd doesn't apply to states allowing states to ban firearms outright, stated Bush erred in letting the AWB expire, wanted to ban all semi automatics.

Obama has done nothing to ban firearms as a white person either. Or as an Oklahoman....I am technically correct, deal with it.

You are technically incorrect.  Endorsing sh*t does not mean he has actually done anything as an executive.  Remember that L word I kept calling you last week?  You're being one of those again.

No I don't, can you refresh my memory?

You used a quote by Romney to show how he was in favor of banning assault weapons, but here you are saying an endorsement by Obama doesn't count, only what he has done as executive.

That sounds like you have a different set of rules for the person based on the letter R or D after their name.

No, the ru ...


Only in the land of strawmen which apparently you rule.  I was illustrating a point, not a mechanism.  If you really want to debate Romney's words vs. Obama's words (and how each has changed stances and positions), you will absolutely lose and you know it.  Romney has flipped more times than the entire U.S. Olympic Diving Team in their entire history.
 
2013-08-21 10:48:00 AM  

Witness99: This felon who recently shot up a school....I don't think he gives a shiat about your ideas on gun control.


This is an argument against all laws. Criminals generally don't care about laws. That's why they are criminals.
 
2013-08-21 10:48:34 AM  

Click Click D'oh: HotWingConspiracy: WAS one of them. Haven't been for quite some time.

People have been using this one a lot lately, that the NRA helped pass gun control laws in a racist fit to disarm the Black Panthers.    Of course, what they won't tell you is that the law in question is the Gun Control Act of 1968, which was brought about not because of the Black Panthers but because of the murders of Martin Luther King and the Kennedys.

To make things even more muddy, the NRA did support and even help write portions of the act, such as prohibiting felons from owning firearms, or the mentally ill.  Yet the NRA helped defeat certain portions of the act, such as a mandatory national registry that was originally included.

So no, it's not quite as clear as "NRA hates black people"


It's more about what their members like and hate. The NRA is just fishing for dollars, and will pander accordingly.
 
2013-08-21 10:49:10 AM  

LasersHurt: Did they change the word "all"? Because I'm going on what he said, which was "all."


1) I said "everything" not "all".
2) Lighten up Francis.
 
2013-08-21 10:50:11 AM  

Click Click D'oh: LasersHurt: Did they change the word "all"? Because I'm going on what he said, which was "all."

1) I said "everything" not "all".
2) Lighten up Francis.


Words are crucial when describing the manner in which bullets are held for placement into a gun; but not when discussion the President's actions.
 
2013-08-21 10:50:35 AM  

EyeballKid: Here's a little tip. You know when would have been a great time to offer some sort of gun control? After two children shot up fellow students during class at an affluent neighborhood high school in Colorado. And, do you know how many gun control measures were enacted as a result of the Columbine shooting? None. Nada. Not one. The NRA even had ran a victory lap in Denver shortly after the shootings. If the gun lobby was too powerful for any gun control measures to pass after Columbine, I think it's safe to say they have nothing to worry about.



By "ran a victory lap" do you mean "cancelled pretty much everything at their national convention except for the board of directors meeting that was required by their by-laws"?
 
2013-08-21 10:50:47 AM  

Giltric: Englebert Slaptyback: Giltric

Yes, and I have explained to you the difference in the bills. One of which Assault Weapon Ban he refused to sign without any changes and the other Assault Weapon Ban with changes that he actually signed.


Yeah, that's a big difference. *eyeroll*

Romney himself used the term 'Assault Weapon Ban' to describe his piece of legislation. If you want to argue that it wasn't an AWB, knock yourself out. I'll be over here making sense. HAND.

Can you purchase an AR 15 in MA today due to the legislation signed by Mitt Romney.

Yes or no will suffice.


LOL

Can you take a gun in to a national park today due to the legislation signed by President Obama?

Yes or no will suffice.
 
2013-08-21 10:50:50 AM  

give me doughnuts


Englebert Slaptyback: Or I was providing an example of the NRA *not* supporting such a person in arguably the highest-profile election in the country, in clear contradiction to an earlier post from give me doughnuts.


When the fark did I say anything about who the NRA supported in an election?


Sorry about that - I meant this text is now purple.
 
2013-08-21 10:51:12 AM  

Click Click D'oh: coeyagi: The bolded text would suggest they would support a universal background check.  They do not even when 90% of the country does.

The NRA helped create the background checks that are in place for the purchase of a firearm from a dealer.  The NRA won't support backgrounds checks for transfers between private citizens until and unless some solid protections are put in place to define a transfer in a solid manner that won't criminalize a person for going out of town for business without conducting a background check on his wife for all the firearms he leaves in the house... which the ATF currently defines as a transfer.


Yeah, most states don't require a background check at a gun show.  Shucks, NRA, I know you just happened to forget about that.

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/gun-show-firearms-b an kground-checks-state-laws-map.html
 
2013-08-21 10:51:43 AM  

bmongar: The NRA is an organization secretly created by the government in order to control both sides of the gun control debate.  It is just show opposition to give the illusion of freedom.  The government knew the would never be able to collect the data by legislation but people will voluntarily give up that information to supposed opposition to the government.
   Well now they have is suckers and they will come in their jack boots to take your guns.
   LOL you thought that large organizations and corporations were different than the government.


Nice to know someone is as stoned right now as I wish I were.
 
2013-08-21 10:51:52 AM  

PopularFront: Aristocles: PopularFront: Aristocles: PopularFront: It's likely trivial for the government to get their hands on it.

Indeed, I agree with you. It's not a problem for the NRA to compile a list for fundraising and the like. The problem is that it's now a trivial act for Obama to access this information unConstitutionally.

I would consider most of the NSA privacy transgressions to be unconstitutional yet they remain the law.  Given their capabilities, getting this list (or recreating it from tracked email) would be trivial.  Why isn't the NRA lobbying to restrict the NSA's mandate?

The last I heard, Obama has not ordered the unConstitutional seizure of these "lists."

If he had (or has) ordered the seizure of these lists it's unlikely you'd hear about it until someone involved leaked the info to the press.  You seem fixated on Obama but if we don't restrict the capability, who's to say one of the next few administrations doesn't order the seizure?


True, true. If the public ever got word of Obama's ordering the NSA to unConstitutionally spy on the NRA, or if Obama unConstitutionally ordered the compilation of all known gun owners, there'd be hell to pay. The same goes for any other administration.
 
2013-08-21 10:52:23 AM  
I'm shocked to learn that the junior members of the Fark Militia fail at understanding how data mining works.

If they weren't such disingenuous shiats, they wouldn't want any organization compiling any type of database about their hobby. It's just a few steps away from a V for Vendetta-type dystopia.
 
2013-08-21 10:53:23 AM  

give me doughnuts: By "ran a victory lap" do you mean "cancelled pretty much everything at their national convention except for the board of directors meeting that was required by their by-laws"?


4.bp.blogspot.com
11 days after Columbine, in Denver, CO. Those poor, opwessed gun owners!
 
2013-08-21 10:53:23 AM  

coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

Is Obama the only black guy you know of?

No, but um, he had a much better pro-gun track record than Romney.  "But he's a black librul!  ZOMG!  Vote for Romney who voted for an assault weapons ban! DUURRRRRRR HERRRR!" -NRA

Obamas voting record was not pro gun. Obamas stance on firearms was not pro gun.

unless you can prove it was through the use of citations.

in before NASHUNAL PARKS!!!

Obama as an executive has never done anything to roll back rights for gun owners.  Romney as an executive has.  You lose.

You misspelled national parks, btw, and not in an ironic hipster liberal kinda way.  You're a conservative, I am sure it was an intentional deliberate misspelling based on ignorance and lack of education.

He endorsed the Illinois handgun ban, voted to prevent people from defending themselves in their home, feels that the 2nd doesn't apply to states allowing states to ban firearms outright, stated Bush erred in letting the AWB expire, wanted to ban all semi automatics.

Obama has done nothing to ban firearms as a white person either. Or as an Oklahoman....I am technically correct, deal with it.

You are technically incorrect.  Endorsing sh*t does not mean he has actually done anything as an executive.  Remember that L word I kept calling you last week?  You're being one of those again.

No I don't, can you refresh my memory?

You used a quote by Romney to show how he was in favor of banning assault weapons, but here you are saying an endorsement by Obama doesn't count, only what he has done as executive.

That sounds like you have a different set of rules for the person based on the letter R or D after their name.

N ...


It doesn't matter if Romney flip flopped on firearm related issues if Obama has remained consistent on the issue.

I am sure that point will go right over your head and you would probably claim that Obamas consistent stance on further restricting and regulating and banning firearms would be a win........even though this started out as a discussion about who was a bigger friend to the RKBA.
 
2013-08-21 10:53:42 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Witness99: This felon who recently shot up a school....I don't think he gives a shiat about your ideas on gun control.

This is an argument against all laws. Criminals generally don't care about laws. That's why they are criminals.


That's a good point. I will think about that some more.

However, if this country wants to follow the lead of Australia and Japan, then put the barriers in place that will prevent thugs from getting guns that they can invade my home with. If we don't do that, then I have no choice but to have a gun to protect myself.
 
2013-08-21 10:53:46 AM  

redmid17: I wasn't a fan of Romney at all, and his gun rights stance is pretty abysmal. That said Obama has a pretty clear history of a view on gun rights I drastically disagree with.

You're also glossing over the fact that the Mass legislature would have overridden his veto of any AWB, so you could probably spin it that he was trying to mitigate the number of restrictions or something to that effect.

Either way the NRA picked Romney because he would have been a "yes man" in office on gun rights, not because he had a sweet history of supporting the NRA.


That endorsement was the picking of the nicest looking turd.  I do not see how Romney deserved an A but he was the better gun candidate because he would be constrained by his party which has shown to be more in line with the NRAs gun stances.
 
2013-08-21 10:53:50 AM  

Snatch Bandergrip: If you're a licensed gun owner, wouldn't you already be on a database?  Is it really any different than having a driver's license?

/Serious question


The difference is that your drivers license doesn't track what kind of car you drive, how many cars you own, and it isn't searchable by everyone.
I have a concealed carry permit and I don't mind that the government had me in a database, they issue the card. I don't like that they want to know and manage everything about my firearms.

Imagine if you had to get a special permit to get gas for your car. That car couldn't seat more than 2 people, and you had to ask for permission to keep it every 5 years. That is what Connecticut is trying to do.
/lives in CT
//not a member of the nra
 
2013-08-21 10:53:56 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: This text is now purple: DROxINxTHExWIND: This text is now purple: DROxINxTHExWIND: The one time the NRA was behind a group actively opposing the government, it was in support of black suffrage. I would think that's the sort of thing you could get behind.

As to the original point, I just want you to be consistent. You're a single-issue voter, except for this. There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.

WAS one of them. Haven't been for quite some time.


http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/negroeswithguns/rob.html

http://mije.org/richardprince/nra-was-inspired-black-panthers

The NRA didn't abandon black voters. Black voters abandoned them.
 
2013-08-21 10:54:24 AM  

sammyk: Pants full of macaroni!!: Wouldn't that be, um, their mailing list?

way south: Not every gun owner is a member of the NRA, and not every NRA member owns a gun. The data they've compiled either comes from voluntary sources (mailing list, membership) or was originally collected by the government anyway.

The same government that is listening to your voicemail and reading your emails has probably been absent minded about destroying background check and ownership transfer records.

I'm thinking that the NRA isn't a problem since they have no power to confiscate weapons or the interest in doing so. The only way their data becomes a problem is if the government takes it.
...but since it has even more detailed information, there wouldn't be much sense in doing so.

That database has been built through years of acquiring gun permit registration lists from state and county offices, gathering names of new owners from the thousands of gun-safety classes taught by NRA-certified instructors and by buying lists of attendees of gun shows, subscribers to gun magazines and more, BuzzFeed has learned.

Candy coat it all you want kids. They have been collecting gun registration info from counties and states. WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION!!!




Even at that, they are a lobby who uses that information to contact prospective supporters. The NRA will never come knocking to inspect my safe, publish my address in the papers, or file charges for my prosecution.
Governments use their information to send cops to your door and enforce laws, bans, and confiscations. If they were benign or even helpful then I could care less about having my information stored with the atf. It would be no different than keeping it at the IRS or with the postmaster.

Its sort of like being ok with knowing my address is on a high times mailing list but not being ok with it being listed by the DEA as a prospective target. There's a difference in potential use that defines whether I would be upset or not.
 
2013-08-21 10:54:29 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: I'm shocked to learn that the junior members of the Fark Militia fail at understanding how data mining works.

If they weren't such disingenuous shiats, they wouldn't want any organization compiling any type of database about their hobby. It's just a few steps away from a V for Vendetta-type dystopia.


The biggest challenge for them is knowing how to filter the emails.  Do you set up a filter on FOUR "FW:"s or FIVE "FW:"s?

Oh, who am I kidding, they don't filter, they forward!
 
2013-08-21 10:54:59 AM  

Click Click D'oh: PopularFront: If the NRA would wave a wand and make the 2nd amendment unrestrictable they wouldn't do it. It would put them out of business and that's against their interest as an organization. They are like Rush Limbaugh, they make more money when a Democrat is in power.

No, they wouldn't do it because the NRA has always supported certain "gun control" measures and always will. They just have a line where they consider things to go from acceptable to unacceptable. The NRA has always supported restrictions on who can posses firearms.

The perception that the NRA is opposed to all "gun control" measures isn't just shared by liberals though. It's pervasive.


The NRA will always set the line they defend to be whatever it needs to be to maximize fundraising.   They've had a decade with little opposition from gun grabbers so they've had to move the line into the crazy zone and put the rhetoric machine into overdrive in order to drum up some opposition.
 
2013-08-21 10:55:17 AM  
I hear the NAACP is also compiling a secret list of black people.
 
2013-08-21 10:56:45 AM  

Witness99: Dusk-You-n-Me: Witness99: This felon who recently shot up a school....I don't think he gives a shiat about your ideas on gun control.

This is an argument against all laws. Criminals generally don't care about laws. That's why they are criminals.

That's a good point. I will think about that some more.

However, if this country wants to follow the lead of Australia and Japan, then put the barriers in place that will prevent thugs from getting guns that they can invade my home with. If we don't do that, then I have no choice but to have a gun to protect myself.


Well if we want to follow Japan's example, we're going to have to get a time machine to go back about 350 years, institute a feudal society, and make sure that only the ruling faction has the capacity to create weapons. I don't think that one is very feasible. Nor do I think Australia's path is very feasible either. Gun ownership there was never nearly as popular a cause or as widespread as it was here.
 
2013-08-21 10:57:12 AM  

Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

Is Obama the only black guy you know of?

No, but um, he had a much better pro-gun track record than Romney.  "But he's a black librul!  ZOMG!  Vote for Romney who voted for an assault weapons ban! DUURRRRRRR HERRRR!" -NRA

Obamas voting record was not pro gun. Obamas stance on firearms was not pro gun.

unless you can prove it was through the use of citations.

in before NASHUNAL PARKS!!!

Obama as an executive has never done anything to roll back rights for gun owners.  Romney as an executive has.  You lose.

You misspelled national parks, btw, and not in an ironic hipster liberal kinda way.  You're a conservative, I am sure it was an intentional deliberate misspelling based on ignorance and lack of education.

He endorsed the Illinois handgun ban, voted to prevent people from defending themselves in their home, feels that the 2nd doesn't apply to states allowing states to ban firearms outright, stated Bush erred in letting the AWB expire, wanted to ban all semi automatics.

Obama has done nothing to ban firearms as a white person either. Or as an Oklahoman....I am technically correct, deal with it.

You are technically incorrect.  Endorsing sh*t does not mean he has actually done anything as an executive.  Remember that L word I kept calling you last week?  You're being one of those again.

No I don't, can you refresh my memory?

You used a quote by Romney to show how he was in favor of banning assault weapons, but here you are saying an endorsement by Obama doesn't count, only what he has done as executive.

That sounds like you have a different set of rules for the person based on the letter R or D after their ...


Yes, it doesn't matter if Romney flip-flopped, because he's a Republican and a panderer of the highest order?  Is that your point?  He can't help it - it's in his nature?  Why can people be pathological liars from birth but you can't be gay from birth?
 
2013-08-21 10:58:04 AM  
So that's why the tempest van has been sitting outside of NRA's HQ.
 
2013-08-21 10:58:31 AM  

halB: I hear the NAACP is also compiling a secret list of black people.


They'll be sorry when the pigment confiscation begins!
 
2013-08-21 10:59:09 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: give me doughnuts

Englebert Slaptyback: Or I was providing an example of the NRA *not* supporting such a person in arguably the highest-profile election in the country, in clear contradiction to an earlier post from give me doughnuts.


When the fark did I say anything about who the NRA supported in an election?


Sorry about that - I meant this text is now purple.


It's cool.
It just had me comfused for a moment. Thought the alzheimers was kicking in a few decades early.
 
2013-08-21 10:59:38 AM  

This text is now purple: HotWingConspiracy: This text is now purple: DROxINxTHExWIND: This text is now purple: DROxINxTHExWIND: The one time the NRA was behind a group actively opposing the government, it was in support of black suffrage. I would think that's the sort of thing you could get behind.

As to the original point, I just want you to be consistent. You're a single-issue voter, except for this. There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.

WAS one of them. Haven't been for quite some time.

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/negroeswithguns/rob.html

http://mije.org/richardprince/nra-was-inspired-black-panthers

The NRA didn't abandon black voters. Black voters abandoned them.


For anyone who think the NRA cares a whit about color, they should check to see who the plaintiffs were in McDonald v Chicago and Ezell v Chicago.
 
2013-08-21 11:01:24 AM  

LasersHurt:Words are crucial when describing the manner in which bullets are held for placement into a gun; but not when discussion the President's actions.

I could care less if you try to cram a clip into a magazine well.

As for the President.  Despite jokingly saying that he wants to ban everything, we all know that's not true.  He probably, backed by his own words, wants to ban everything that isn't a hunting rifle or farmers shotgun, but knows damn well that he doesn't have the political clout to do so.  That hasn't stopped him from testing the waters, and making a good run at it when opinion was swung by emotion in his direction.  Of course, that causes the backlash reaction from the opposing party.  As does every controversial action.

coeyagi: Yeah, most states don't require a background check at a gun show. Shucks, NRA, I know you just happened to forget about that.


Anywhere in the nation, background checks are required for any sale from a dealer.  Be it at a gunshow or a store.   Do you have a point other than to demonstrate that you don't know the difference between a sale from a licensed dealer and a private transfer?  Do you know the difference between a private transfer in a gun show, in a wal-mart parking lot or in the privacy of ones home?  Hint, there is none.  If you pass a law requiring a background check for private transfers, that covers those at a gun show, in the parking lot of a Wal-Mart of in the home.  Since the ATF currently considers it a transfer if the owner of the firearm leaves the household for more than a few days and another person is in residence there, anyone leaving for business would need to do a background check on their wife or kids, then do another on themselves upon returning home.

This is why the argument about "gun control" laws is always so asinine.  Most people have Zero clue what the law actually says, but are more than willing to suggest ways to fix it.
 
2013-08-21 11:02:07 AM  

coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

Is Obama the only black guy you know of?

No, but um, he had a much better pro-gun track record than Romney.  "But he's a black librul!  ZOMG!  Vote for Romney who voted for an assault weapons ban! DUURRRRRRR HERRRR!" -NRA

Obamas voting record was not pro gun. Obamas stance on firearms was not pro gun.

unless you can prove it was through the use of citations.

in before NASHUNAL PARKS!!!

Obama as an executive has never done anything to roll back rights for gun owners.  Romney as an executive has.  You lose.

You misspelled national parks, btw, and not in an ironic hipster liberal kinda way.  You're a conservative, I am sure it was an intentional deliberate misspelling based on ignorance and lack of education.

He endorsed the Illinois handgun ban, voted to prevent people from defending themselves in their home, feels that the 2nd doesn't apply to states allowing states to ban firearms outright, stated Bush erred in letting the AWB expire, wanted to ban all semi automatics.

Obama has done nothing to ban firearms as a white person either. Or as an Oklahoman....I am technically correct, deal with it.

You are technically incorrect.  Endorsing sh*t does not mean he has actually done anything as an executive.  Remember that L word I kept calling you last week?  You're being one of those again.

No I don't, can you refresh my memory?

You used a quote by Romney to show how he was in favor of banning assault weapons, but here you are saying an endorsement by Obama doesn't count, only what he has done as executive.

That sounds like you have a different set of rules for the person based on the letter R or D af ...


Romney changes his opinion and he's a flip flopper, Obama changes his opinion and they call it "evolving", not pandering (like at a fundraising dinner consisting of gay rights supporters) or flip flopping.

we get it....republicans are made of snakes and snails and puppy dog tails, democrats are made of sugar and spice and everything nice yadda yadda something something.
 
2013-08-21 11:02:43 AM  

EyeballKid: give me doughnuts: By "ran a victory lap" do you mean "cancelled pretty much everything at their national convention except for the board of directors meeting that was required by their by-laws"?

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11 days after Columbine, in Denver, CO. Those poor, opwessed gun owners!



One year after Columbine, in Charlotte, NC.

Really?
 
2013-08-21 11:02:49 AM  

EyeballKid: 11 days after Columbine, in Denver, CO. Those poor, opwessed gun owners!


Oh god, not another M. Moore brain dead moron.
 
2013-08-21 11:03:37 AM  
August 20th, 2013:  "NO!!  ANY list of gun owners is BAD because in the wrong hands it could be used to disarm the public, which is Unconstitutional.  No lists.  Period.  "

*Buzzfeed Story*

August 21st, 2013:  "The NRA can have a secret list of gun owners.  The real problem is Obama."


/derrrup
 
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