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2013-08-21 10:11:28 AM  

coeyagi: Frank N Stein: Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

Is Obama the only black guy you know of?

No, but um, he had a much better pro-gun track record than Romney.  "But he's a black librul!  ZOMG!  Vote for Romney who voted for an assault weapons ban! DUURRRRRRR HERRRR!" -NRA


Obamas voting record was not pro gun. Obamas stance on firearms was not pro gun.

unless you can prove it was through the use of citations.

in before NASHUNAL PARKS!!!
 
2013-08-21 10:12:12 AM  

Frank N Stein: So, what philosophy is that?


The philosophy of giving lip service to the "real problems" (city handgun violence, mental health), but never supporting any changes or improvements of meaningful natures?

The philosophy of paranoia and victimization that leads to stalwart opposition to even the most well supported and innocuous of controls?

The coupling of said Paranoia and Victimization with relaxing laws about carry and about pre-emptive "defense"/stand your ground/no witnesses laws?

These people clearly don't want to help anything, they want to keep fears high so they stay in business and sell more guns. It's all a show, and one that encourages some bad habits and ideas in people along the way (while arming them).
 
2013-08-21 10:12:59 AM  
Why the deuce are Romney's and Obama's records on destroying the 2nd amendment being discussed?
 
2013-08-21 10:13:35 AM  
They also give out stickers which members proudly display as an invitation to rob their home when they are away.
 
2013-08-21 10:15:08 AM  

Giltric: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

Is Obama the only black guy you know of?

No, but um, he had a much better pro-gun track record than Romney.  "But he's a black librul!  ZOMG!  Vote for Romney who voted for an assault weapons ban! DUURRRRRRR HERRRR!" -NRA

Obamas voting record was not pro gun. Obamas stance on firearms was not pro gun.

unless you can prove it was through the use of citations.

in before NASHUNAL PARKS!!!


Obama as an executive has never done anything to roll back rights for gun owners.  Romney as an executive has.  You lose.

You misspelled national parks, btw, and not in an ironic hipster liberal kinda way.  You're a conservative, I am sure it was an intentional deliberate misspelling based on ignorance and lack of education.
 
2013-08-21 10:15:18 AM  

LasersHurt: These people clearly don't want to help anything


They've spent years and millions of dollars constraining and undercutting the ATF, making the country less safe, then turn around and use the poor state of operations at the ATF as a marketing tool to sell more guns. Link
 
2013-08-21 10:15:29 AM  

AngryDragon: hobberwickey: Am I the only one who doesn't understand why the government WOULDN'T have a database of all guns and who they belong to? How is that a bad thing?

And this is why "history" classes in school don't cover more than the civil rights era nowadays.


That's for explaining it o' wise one. You've made everything so clear to this poor confused idiot.
 
2013-08-21 10:15:43 AM  

PopularFront: It's likely trivial for the government to get their hands on it.


Indeed, I agree with you. It's not a problem for the NRA to compile a list for fundraising and the like. The problem is that it's now a trivial act for Obama to access this information unConstitutionally.
 
2013-08-21 10:16:08 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Romney - sponsored AWB in MA


No.

The MA legislature put forward a bill that banned outright all "assault weapons".

He said no way I'm signing that, marry the bill to the language of the federal legislation.

The bill he signed did not ban assault weapons, the bill he signed allowed MA residents to purchase assault weapons manufactured prior to 1994.

Would you like to know more?
 
2013-08-21 10:17:22 AM  

Giltric: hobberwickey: Aristocles: hobberwickey: Am I the only one who doesn't understand why the government WOULDN'T have a database of all guns and who they belong to? How is that a bad thing?

[www.addictinginfo.org image 604x453]

Yes totally stupid to not understand how a database that could be used to instantly identify the owner of a gun used in a crime is a bas thing. The question is more, why NOT have a database like that rather than why have one?

Philadelphia was able to change the percentage of unsolved murders from 80% or so to 10% or so without needing a database of gun owners. They hired a new chief who focused on police work....like asking questions and whatnot.


Only 10% of murders go unsolved in Philly? Why that's a low number, I guess we should just be happy with that. Still doesn't answer the question though, why NOT have a database of the tool used to commit the vast quantity of those murders?
 
2013-08-21 10:17:25 AM  
Argument by bumper sticker - so simple anyone can do it, and usually does.
 
2013-08-21 10:18:09 AM  

Giltric: Englebert Slaptyback: Romney - sponsored AWB in MA

No.

The MA legislature put forward a bill that banned outright all "assault weapons".

He said no way I'm signing that, marry the bill to the language of the federal legislation.

The bill he signed did not ban assault weapons, the bill he signed allowed MA residents to purchase assault weapons manufactured prior to 1994.

Would you like to know more?


How about you?  Would you like to know more?

"I believe the people should have the right to bear arms, but I don't believe that we have to have assault weapons as part of our personal arsenal," he said on Fox News in 2004.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/07/20/romney-once-supported-assau lt -weapons-ban/
 
2013-08-21 10:19:16 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: WAS one of them. Haven't been for quite some time.


People have been using this one a lot lately, that the NRA helped pass gun control laws in a racist fit to disarm the Black Panthers.    Of course, what they won't tell you is that the law in question is the Gun Control Act of 1968, which was brought about not because of the Black Panthers but because of the murders of Martin Luther King and the Kennedys.

To make things even more muddy, the NRA did support and even help write portions of the act, such as prohibiting felons from owning firearms, or the mentally ill.  Yet the NRA helped defeat certain portions of the act, such as a mandatory national registry that was originally included.

So no, it's not quite as clear as "NRA hates black people" or "NRA has always opposed all gun laws"... both of which are lies that come from people that are either too lazy to learn the truth or know the truth and don't want to let it be known.
 
2013-08-21 10:19:57 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: LasersHurt: These people clearly don't want to help anything

They've spent years and millions of dollars constraining and undercutting the ATF, making the country less safe, then turn around and use the poor state of operations at the ATF as a marketing tool to sell more guns. Link


If the NRA would wave a wand and make the 2nd amendment unrestrictable they wouldn't do it.  It would put them out of business and that's against their interest as an organization.  They are like Rush Limbaugh, they make more money when a Democrat is in power.
 
2013-08-21 10:20:50 AM  
I find it hilarious that (a) people actually think the government will be "kicking in their doors" looking for guns and (b) that their armed resistance to such an action will result in anything other than them being shot many times.
 
2013-08-21 10:23:08 AM  
As someone who is contemplating buying a handgun or two in the near future (there is a gun range opening near my house) what manufacturers would other gun owners recommend.

I am looking at getting a .22 pistol, a .44 magnum and something in between. Budget for all three would be about $3,000
 
2013-08-21 10:23:59 AM  

coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

Is Obama the only black guy you know of?

No, but um, he had a much better pro-gun track record than Romney.  "But he's a black librul!  ZOMG!  Vote for Romney who voted for an assault weapons ban! DUURRRRRRR HERRRR!" -NRA

Obamas voting record was not pro gun. Obamas stance on firearms was not pro gun.

unless you can prove it was through the use of citations.

in before NASHUNAL PARKS!!!

Obama as an executive has never done anything to roll back rights for gun owners.  Romney as an executive has.  You lose.

You misspelled national parks, btw, and not in an ironic hipster liberal kinda way.  You're a conservative, I am sure it was an intentional deliberate misspelling based on ignorance and lack of education.


He endorsed the Illinois handgun ban, voted to prevent people from defending themselves in their home, feels that the 2nd doesn't apply to states allowing states to ban firearms outright, stated Bush erred in letting the AWB expire, wanted to ban all semi automatics.

Obama has done nothing to ban firearms as a white person either. Or as an Oklahoman....I am technically correct, deal with it.
 
2013-08-21 10:24:38 AM  
Uranus Is Huge!:Nice dodge.

So wait... you honestly want me to answer if I would be upset with a different organization for using the same tactics to accomplish a completely different goal so that you can claim that I have a double standard because I'm not upset at the NRA?  ... Despite them using the data for a completely different purpose

Really?

And if you think the Brady Campaign doesn't maintain a mailing list your insane.  And I'm not upset with them for doing so.
 
2013-08-21 10:25:14 AM  

Aristocles: PopularFront: It's likely trivial for the government to get their hands on it.

Indeed, I agree with you. It's not a problem for the NRA to compile a list for fundraising and the like. The problem is that it's now a trivial act for Obama to access this information unConstitutionally.


I would consider most of the NSA privacy transgressions to be unconstitutional yet they remain the law.  Given their capabilities, getting this list (or recreating it from tracked email) would be trivial.  Why isn't the NRA lobbying to restrict the NSA's mandate?
 
2013-08-21 10:25:22 AM  

Giltric: voted to prevent people from defending themselves in their home


Ah yes, the "lie back and let it happen" law. I remember when that never happened.

/hyperbole gets you nowhere son
 
2013-08-21 10:25:50 AM  

Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

Is Obama the only black guy you know of?

No, but um, he had a much better pro-gun track record than Romney.  "But he's a black librul!  ZOMG!  Vote for Romney who voted for an assault weapons ban! DUURRRRRRR HERRRR!" -NRA

Obamas voting record was not pro gun. Obamas stance on firearms was not pro gun.

unless you can prove it was through the use of citations.

in before NASHUNAL PARKS!!!

Obama as an executive has never done anything to roll back rights for gun owners.  Romney as an executive has.  You lose.

You misspelled national parks, btw, and not in an ironic hipster liberal kinda way.  You're a conservative, I am sure it was an intentional deliberate misspelling based on ignorance and lack of education.

He endorsed the Illinois handgun ban, voted to prevent people from defending themselves in their home, feels that the 2nd doesn't apply to states allowing states to ban firearms outright, stated Bush erred in letting the AWB expire, wanted to ban all semi automatics.

Obama has done nothing to ban firearms as a white person either. Or as an Oklahoman....I am technically correct, deal with it.


You are technically incorrect.  Endorsing sh*t does not mean he has actually done anything as an executive.  Remember that L word I kept calling you last week?  You're being one of those again.
 
2013-08-21 10:26:46 AM  
Englebert Slaptyback:
Romney - sponsored AWB in MA
Obama - nothing of the sort


Obama two months after the election tries to ban everything.  It's almost as if the NRA saw that one coming....
 
2013-08-21 10:27:15 AM  

Aristocles: PopularFront: It's likely trivial for the government to get their hands on it.

Indeed, I agree with you. It's not a problem for the NRA to compile a list for fundraising and the like. The problem is that it's now a trivial act for Obama to access this information unConstitutionally.


Even if ebil govt gets access to the information and violates the 5th amendment via no warrant searches there is not the manpower to do it at one time.  Plenty of time for most to hide their firearms against an unwarranted govt action.
 
2013-08-21 10:27:23 AM  

Giltric


Would you like to know more?


You didn't actually watch the Presidential debates, did you? Romney stated very clearly that he sponsored and co-wrote an AWB for Massachusetts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b29cMrOlrvE

Romney's part starts at 2:40. His AWB admission starts at 5:27.
 
2013-08-21 10:27:55 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Obama two months after the election tries to ban everything.


What universe do you live in?
 
2013-08-21 10:29:52 AM  

Aristocles: Indeed, I agree with you. It's not a problem for the NRA to compile a list for fundraising and the like. The problem is that it's now a trivial act for Obama to access this information unConstitutionally.


So.... Bad NRA because they haven't taken precautions to protect themselves from tyrannical and over-reaching government which could unconstitutionally violate everyone rights?

If only there was and Amendment to deal with that sort of thing...and an organization to defend it.
 
2013-08-21 10:30:01 AM  

coeyagi: Giltric: Englebert Slaptyback: Romney - sponsored AWB in MA

No.

The MA legislature put forward a bill that banned outright all "assault weapons".

He said no way I'm signing that, marry the bill to the language of the federal legislation.

The bill he signed did not ban assault weapons, the bill he signed allowed MA residents to purchase assault weapons manufactured prior to 1994.

Would you like to know more?

How about you?  Would you like to know more?

"I believe the people should have the right to bear arms, but I don't believe that we have to have assault weapons as part of our personal arsenal," he said on Fox News in 2004.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/07/20/romney-once-supported-assau lt -weapons-ban/


Wait a second.....Am I supposed to go by what Romeny says?

Can I use Obamas words against him or only bills he has signed as "executive"?

Not sure if you are trying to move the goalposts here, but I would like some clarifications on the rules.
 
2013-08-21 10:30:24 AM  

BitwiseShift: The password for said database is quite tricky. Instead of password, it is secret. No wonder the NSA, CIA, USDA and BSA haven't been able to crack it.


Boy Scouts of America?
 
2013-08-21 10:30:51 AM  
Subby, I hate to tell you this...but...Readers Digest also has a list.  And you know who else had lists?  That's right...

static.giantbomb.com
 
2013-08-21 10:31:11 AM  

there their theyre: As someone who is contemplating buying a handgun or two in the near future (there is a gun range opening near my house) what manufacturers would other gun owners recommend.

I am looking at getting a .22 pistol, a .44 magnum and something in between. Budget for all three would be about $3,000


What's your experience with guns? If you have little experience, get a decent .22 first.
 
2013-08-21 10:31:16 AM  

Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: Englebert Slaptyback: Romney - sponsored AWB in MA

No.

The MA legislature put forward a bill that banned outright all "assault weapons".

He said no way I'm signing that, marry the bill to the language of the federal legislation.

The bill he signed did not ban assault weapons, the bill he signed allowed MA residents to purchase assault weapons manufactured prior to 1994.

Would you like to know more?

How about you?  Would you like to know more?

"I believe the people should have the right to bear arms, but I don't believe that we have to have assault weapons as part of our personal arsenal," he said on Fox News in 2004.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/07/20/romney-once-supported-assau lt -weapons-ban/

Wait a second.....Am I supposed to go by what Romeny says?

Can I use Obamas words against him or only bills he has signed as "executive"?

Not sure if you are trying to move the goalposts here, but I would like some clarifications on the rules.


Yes, this seems ripe for a "But but but GITMO!" swipe, doesn't it?  Proceed, governor.  I am sure we won't all rape your ass for that one.
 
2013-08-21 10:31:46 AM  

LasersHurt: Frank N Stein: So, what philosophy is that?

The philosophy of giving lip service to the "real problems" (city handgun violence, mental health), but never supporting any changes or improvements of meaningful natures?

The philosophy of paranoia and victimization that leads to stalwart opposition to even the most well supported and innocuous of controls?

The coupling of said Paranoia and Victimization with relaxing laws about carry and about pre-emptive "defense"/stand your ground/no witnesses laws?

These people clearly don't want to help anything, they want to keep fears high so they stay in business and sell more guns. It's all a show, and one that encourages some bad habits and ideas in people along the way (while arming them).


I'll give you the fact that we should address poverty and mental health issues...this is outside the context of gun control.
There is no statistical evidence that gun control reduces gun violence in America.  None. Despite relaxed laws for concealed carry and paranoia about "blood in the streets", gun violence has dropped dramatically.  "Stand your ground" is a common sense position to indemnify someone forced to defend themselves.  Again, despite the handwringing over it, there are very few cases where the legal precedent has even been invoked much less successfully used as a legal shield.

So basically we end up in this odd equilibrium point between the people who want no gun laws anywhere and the people who want no guns anywhere.  The bottom line is that neither side is right.
 
2013-08-21 10:32:08 AM  

LasersHurt: What universe do you live in?


The one where I've had to become part of a rather silly network of people that visit ever gun store within 200 miles to get enough ammunition to run our classes because the President and a huge chunk of the Senate went insane last December.
 
2013-08-21 10:32:48 AM  

coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

Is Obama the only black guy you know of?

No, but um, he had a much better pro-gun track record than Romney.  "But he's a black librul!  ZOMG!  Vote for Romney who voted for an assault weapons ban! DUURRRRRRR HERRRR!" -NRA

Obamas voting record was not pro gun. Obamas stance on firearms was not pro gun.

unless you can prove it was through the use of citations.

in before NASHUNAL PARKS!!!

Obama as an executive has never done anything to roll back rights for gun owners.  Romney as an executive has.  You lose.

You misspelled national parks, btw, and not in an ironic hipster liberal kinda way.  You're a conservative, I am sure it was an intentional deliberate misspelling based on ignorance and lack of education.

He endorsed the Illinois handgun ban, voted to prevent people from defending themselves in their home, feels that the 2nd doesn't apply to states allowing states to ban firearms outright, stated Bush erred in letting the AWB expire, wanted to ban all semi automatics.

Obama has done nothing to ban firearms as a white person either. Or as an Oklahoman....I am technically correct, deal with it.

You are technically incorrect.  Endorsing sh*t does not mean he has actually done anything as an executive.  Remember that L word I kept calling you last week?  You're being one of those again.


No I don't, can you refresh my memory?

You used a quote by Romney to show how he was in favor of banning assault weapons, but here you are saying an endorsement by Obama doesn't count, only what he has done as executive.

That sounds like you have a different set of rules for the person based on the letter R or D after their name.
 
2013-08-21 10:32:55 AM  

Doom MD: I love how intellectually dishonest this article is. The NRA has a mailing list, holy crap.


Yeah, major anti-gun bias here.

The NRA has a list of people who own guns--the sort of people who would be their constituents.  What they do not have is a list of what guns those people own.  It's the latter that would be much more useful for gun-grabbers.

EyeballKid: Here's a little tip. You know when would have been a great time to offer some sort of gun control? After two children shot up fellow students during class at an affluent neighborhood high school in Colorado. And, do you know how many gun control measures were enacted as a result of the Columbine shooting? None. Nada. Not one. The NRA even had ran a victory lap in Denver shortly after the shootings. If the gun lobby was too powerful for any gun control measures to pass after Columbine, I think it's safe to say they have nothing to worry about.


Any measure proposed in such a situation should be assumed bad.  For an example see the Patriot Act.
 
2013-08-21 10:33:49 AM  

hobberwickey: Am I the only one who doesn't understand why the government WOULDN'T have a database of all guns and who they belong to? How is that a bad thing?



They are pretty useless, and maintaining/updating the registry would be expensive. Ask Canada. They had one for a while, but gave it up.
 
2013-08-21 10:34:41 AM  
meh. Voluntary vs. Mandatory. Apples vs. Oranges.
 
2013-08-21 10:35:16 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Giltric

Would you like to know more?


You didn't actually watch the Presidential debates, did you? Romney stated very clearly that he sponsored and co-wrote an AWB for Massachusetts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b29cMrOlrvE

Romney's part starts at 2:40. His AWB admission starts at 5:27.


Yes, and I have explained to you the difference in the bills. One of which he refused to sign without any changes and the other with changes that he actually signed.
 
2013-08-21 10:35:27 AM  

AngryDragon: There is no statistical evidence that "gun control" reduces gun violence in America.


This feels like "Generic Republican" and is so vague as to be meaningless.

AngryDragon: So basically we end up in this odd equilibrium point between the people who want no gun laws anywhere and the people who want no guns anywhere.  The bottom line is that neither side is right.


The thing is, I don't think this is all that true. I think there are some of each, of course, but I think most people would be more accommodating and middle-ground if the rhetoric could be toned down.
 
2013-08-21 10:36:19 AM  

theknuckler_33: meh. Voluntary vs. Mandatory. Apples vs. Oranges.


My bad.

/DNRTFA
 
2013-08-21 10:36:46 AM  

Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

Is Obama the only black guy you know of?

No, but um, he had a much better pro-gun track record than Romney.  "But he's a black librul!  ZOMG!  Vote for Romney who voted for an assault weapons ban! DUURRRRRRR HERRRR!" -NRA

Obamas voting record was not pro gun. Obamas stance on firearms was not pro gun.

unless you can prove it was through the use of citations.

in before NASHUNAL PARKS!!!

Obama as an executive has never done anything to roll back rights for gun owners.  Romney as an executive has.  You lose.

You misspelled national parks, btw, and not in an ironic hipster liberal kinda way.  You're a conservative, I am sure it was an intentional deliberate misspelling based on ignorance and lack of education.

He endorsed the Illinois handgun ban, voted to prevent people from defending themselves in their home, feels that the 2nd doesn't apply to states allowing states to ban firearms outright, stated Bush erred in letting the AWB expire, wanted to ban all semi automatics.

Obama has done nothing to ban firearms as a white person either. Or as an Oklahoman....I am technically correct, deal with it.

You are technically incorrect.  Endorsing sh*t does not mean he has actually done anything as an executive.  Remember that L word I kept calling you last week?  You're being one of those again.

No I don't, can you refresh my memory?

You used a quote by Romney to show how he was in favor of banning assault weapons, but here you are saying an endorsement by Obama doesn't count, only what he has done as executive.

That sounds like you have a different set of rules for the person based on the letter R or D after their name.


No, the rules haven't changed.  He made an endorsement and backed it up with legislation.  That's called a "difference", it means that things "are not the same".  The sky is blue.  Water is wet.  The L I referred to is "liar", and I am starting to think that is unfair because maybe I'm playing cards with someone who only brought half a deck.
 
2013-08-21 10:37:00 AM  
That is without question the LEAST ironic thing I've ever read.
 
2013-08-21 10:37:02 AM  

coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

Is Obama the only black guy you know of?

No, but um, he had a much better pro-gun track record than Romney.  "But he's a black librul!  ZOMG!  Vote for Romney who voted for an assault weapons ban! DUURRRRRRR HERRRR!" -NRA

Obamas voting record was not pro gun. Obamas stance on firearms was not pro gun.

unless you can prove it was through the use of citations.

in before NASHUNAL PARKS!!!

Obama as an executive has never done anything to roll back rights for gun owners.  Romney as an executive has.  You lose.

You misspelled national parks, btw, and not in an ironic hipster liberal kinda way.  You're a conservative, I am sure it was an intentional deliberate misspelling based on ignorance and lack of education.

He endorsed the Illinois handgun ban, voted to prevent people from defending themselves in their home, feels that the 2nd doesn't apply to states allowing states to ban firearms outright, stated Bush erred in letting the AWB expire, wanted to ban all semi automatics.

Obama has done nothing to ban firearms as a white person either. Or as an Oklahoman....I am technically correct, deal with it.

You are technically incorrect.  Endorsing sh*t does not mean he has actually done anything as an executive.  Remember that L word I kept calling you last week?  You're being one of those again.


Fun fact: Before Obama signed the Credit Card act, which included the national parks CCW rider introduced by Coburn, his administration declined to defend this action started by the Bush administration but which had been blocked by a federal judge.

So before Obama signed a piece of legislation that was a cornerstone of his domestic economic policy, he decided that he didn't want guns in national parks.
 
2013-08-21 10:37:49 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Aristocles: Indeed, I agree with you. It's not a problem for the NRA to compile a list for fundraising and the like. The problem is that it's now a trivial act for Obama to access this information unConstitutionally.

So.... Bad NRA because they haven't taken precautions to protect themselves from tyrannical and over-reaching government which could unconstitutionally violate everyone rights?

If only there was and Amendment to deal with that sort of thing...and an organization to defend it.


If the ACLU were funded like the NRA we might see more progress there.
 
2013-08-21 10:37:57 AM  

PopularFront: If the NRA would wave a wand and make the 2nd amendment unrestrictable they wouldn't do it.  It would put them out of business and that's against their interest as an organization.  They are like Rush Limbaugh, they make more money when a Democrat is in power.


No, they wouldn't do it because the NRA has always supported certain "gun control" measures and always will.  They just have a line where they consider things to go from acceptable to unacceptable.  The NRA has always supported restrictions on who can posses firearms.

The perception that the NRA is opposed to all "gun control" measures isn't just shared by liberals though.  It's pervasive.  Almost every class I teach, I have the same exchange based on our rules:

Me:  This is an NRA firearms course.  The NRA prohibits the possession of live ammunition in the classroom portion.  Anyone that has a CHL or is a police officer, please take any ammunition you have out of the classroom

Random Student.:  But, I have a CHL.  I'm allowed to carry a gun

Me:  Quite so, but you can't have any ammunition for it while in class

Random Student:  But, you're the NRA.  I don't get it.

Me:  Please, ammunition out of class

Random Student:  But I have a right!!!!!!

It's quite tiresome.
 
2013-08-21 10:38:09 AM  
This is as valid as equating NORML keeping a list of people interested in marijuana legalization and the DEA keeping one.
 
2013-08-21 10:38:25 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I don't go to McDonalds just because they have a black kid in the commercial breakdancing with a McGriddle in his mouth.


That mental image made me laugh.
Then I pictured somebody like Redd Foxx saying it, and it made me laugh again.

Am I a bad person?
 
2013-08-21 10:38:53 AM  

PopularFront: Aristocles: PopularFront: It's likely trivial for the government to get their hands on it.

Indeed, I agree with you. It's not a problem for the NRA to compile a list for fundraising and the like. The problem is that it's now a trivial act for Obama to access this information unConstitutionally.

I would consider most of the NSA privacy transgressions to be unconstitutional yet they remain the law.  Given their capabilities, getting this list (or recreating it from tracked email) would be trivial.  Why isn't the NRA lobbying to restrict the NSA's mandate?


The last I heard, Obama has not ordered the unConstitutional seizure of these "lists."

Plus, tfa says that, if the NRA is really compiling a mailing list, they're requesting the information via FOIA requests or just friendly emails to event organizers, this is not unConstitutional, in other words, the NSA is just as, if not more, capable as the NRA at obtaining this information via Constitutional means.
 
2013-08-21 10:39:41 AM  

redmid17: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

Is Obama the only black guy you know of?

No, but um, he had a much better pro-gun track record than Romney.  "But he's a black librul!  ZOMG!  Vote for Romney who voted for an assault weapons ban! DUURRRRRRR HERRRR!" -NRA

Obamas voting record was not pro gun. Obamas stance on firearms was not pro gun.

unless you can prove it was through the use of citations.

in before NASHUNAL PARKS!!!

Obama as an executive has never done anything to roll back rights for gun owners.  Romney as an executive has.  You lose.

You misspelled national parks, btw, and not in an ironic hipster liberal kinda way.  You're a conservative, I am sure it was an intentional deliberate misspelling based on ignorance and lack of education.

He endorsed the Illinois handgun ban, voted to prevent people from defending themselves in their home, feels that the 2nd doesn't apply to states allowing states to ban firearms outright, stated Bush erred in letting the AWB expire, wanted to ban all semi automatics.

Obama has done nothing to ban firearms as a white person either. Or as an Oklahoman....I am technically correct, deal with it.

You are technically incorrect.  Endorsing sh*t does not mean he has actually done anything as an executive.  Remember that L word I kept calling you last week?  You're being one of those again.

Fun fact: Before Obama signed the Credit Card act, which included the national parks CCW rider introduced by Coburn, his administration declined to defend this action started by the Bush administration but which had been blocked by a federal judge.

So before Obama signed a piece of legislation that was a cornerstone of his domestic economic policy, he decided ...


Yes, all true.  But again, how can you argue that Romney as an executive was better for guns than Obama?  Obama may not have liked that part of the legislation but he still signed it?  Are you really trying to tell me that the NRA is not a wing of the GOP? Romney actually signed the AWB in 2004 and they still endorsed him.
 
2013-08-21 10:40:14 AM  
Because no private organization has ever taken advantage of their customer's information, or changed hands to someone who would.  No private organization has ever accidentally mailed out customer's information, or gotten hacked, or left a laptop in a taxi.
 
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