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2013-08-21 09:39:41 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: The one time the NRA was behind a group actively opposing the government, it was in support of black suffrage. I would think that's the sort of thing you could get behind.


This guy. If i support an organization simply because they've supported blacks it means I'm a racist. But, if I don't take race into consideration when commenting it means that I SHOULD have taken race into consideration. Make up your mind.

Also, the fact that they were once on the right side of history doesn't mean they're not profiteers now.***


/***See Sharpton, Al; Jackson, Jesse


Point of order -- when was Jesse on the right side of history? Are does he receive credit for using MLK as a kevlar kid?
 
2013-08-21 09:39:59 AM  
NRA is a good organization and I'm happy with the work they've done countering gun control legislation in the past few decades. However, the only way I'd become a member is if they work to liberalize import rules and end the Hughes amendment.
 
2013-08-21 09:40:40 AM  
Princess Ryans Knickers: Bend over cracker.

So does this kind of racism make you think you have won the debate?  This is actually a sign of defeat.  Your defeat.

Thanks for playing.
 
2013-08-21 09:41:08 AM  

Frank N Stein: NRA is a good organization


You're a funny man sometimes.
 
2013-08-21 09:42:06 AM  

LasersHurt: Snatch Bandergrip: If you're a licensed gun owner, wouldn't you already be on a database?  Is it really any different than having a driver's license?

/Serious question

There is no licensing requirement for ownership (in a general sense, restrictions apply).


Offer not valid in IL
 
2013-08-21 09:43:04 AM  
buying lists of attendees of gun shows


That's not a thing.
 
2013-08-21 09:43:35 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Doom MD: I love how intellectually dishonest this article is. The NRA has a mailing list, holy crap.

This.

As an NRA instructor, I can guarantee you that no where on our class registration and attendance reports does it ever ask if a person owns a firearm nor does it ask for any information about firearms they own.  It's pretty much just name, address, phone number and email.  The NRA has a vast list of people interested in shooting sports or firearms.  It does not have a record of who owns firearms or what firearms they own.


There is overwhelming overlap in the Venn diagram of people-interested-in-shooting-sports-or-firearms and gun owners.  So what if it's not 100%, it certainly increases the probability that you're kicking in the right door when it comes time for the big confiscation.
 
2013-08-21 09:44:57 AM  

Don_cos: Princess Ryans Knickers: This will be great! When we finally takeover all the markets we can then use the list the NRA compiled and begin to target the gun users for re-education! I think possibly even get some free labor out of them too when they fight back and we have to put them in prison!

Right, let's bring back slavery under a new name.

And how do you unarmed fools, plan to round up these gun owners?


Armed drones, of course.
 
2013-08-21 09:45:38 AM  

LasersHurt: Frank N Stein: NRA is a good organization

You're a funny man sometimes.


They've stood tall and helped kill a lot of gun control measures, which I do not support, on the State and federal level. They also do pretty good work with gun safety classes.
 
2013-08-21 09:45:47 AM  

The Name: NRA members won't care as long as it isn't the fedrul gub'mint amassing a database.


Which is, of course, their downfall.  Private entities having your information is just as dangerous as the government having your information.  If you trust any private organization more than you trust the federal government (which I suspect is a number pretty close to 0), then you're deluding yourself.
 
2013-08-21 09:46:07 AM  

This text is now purple: DROxINxTHExWIND: The one time the NRA was behind a group actively opposing the government, it was in support of black suffrage. I would think that's the sort of thing you could get behind.


This guy. If i support an organization simply because they've supported blacks it means I'm a racist. But, if I don't take race into consideration when commenting it means that I SHOULD have taken race into consideration. Make up your mind.

Also, the fact that they were once on the right side of history doesn't mean they're not profiteers now.***


/***See Sharpton, Al; Jackson, Jesse

Point of order -- when was Jesse on the right side of history? Are does he receive credit for using MLK as a kevlar kid?



When you're wrong, the noble thing to do is to admit it and move on. Or, you can try to change the subject with a corny ass joke.


/weaksauce
 
2013-08-21 09:48:32 AM  
Gun rights only come under fire when gun nuts reveal how mentally unstable they are.
 
2013-08-21 09:48:39 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: This text is now purple: DROxINxTHExWIND: The one time the NRA was behind a group actively opposing the government, it was in support of black suffrage. I would think that's the sort of thing you could get behind.


This guy. If i support an organization simply because they've supported blacks it means I'm a racist. But, if I don't take race into consideration when commenting it means that I SHOULD have taken race into consideration. Make up your mind.

Also, the fact that they were once on the right side of history doesn't mean they're not profiteers now.***


/***See Sharpton, Al; Jackson, Jesse

Point of order -- when was Jesse on the right side of history? Are does he receive credit for using MLK as a kevlar kid?


When you're wrong, the noble thing to do is to admit it and move on. Or, you can try to change the subject with a corny ass joke.


It's a serious question. Jesse has a rep as this great civil rights leader, but I struggled to come up with something he's actually done, beyond riding the right set of coat-tails. He's like the black GB2.

As to the original point, I just want you to be consistent. You're a single-issue voter, except for this. There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.
 
2013-08-21 09:49:06 AM  

Frank N Stein: LasersHurt: Frank N Stein: NRA is a good organization

You're a funny man sometimes.

They've stood tall and helped kill a lot of gun control measures, which I do not support, on the State and federal level. They also do pretty good work with gun safety classes.


A lot of horrible people have done one or two good things, too. I think they're a ridiculous farce of an organization which has grown corrupt and politicized beyond repair. I think they knowingly abuse peoples' emotions, and I think the philosophy they actively or tacitly support about guns is dangerous.

Give me a more tempered organization who fights honestly and I can get behind it, but the NRA is slimy these days.
 
2013-08-21 09:49:11 AM  
This was pretty obvious.

AngryDragon: I don't hear people screaming about the 1st or 4th being labeled as communists or terrorists, at least not by sane people.


Well, that qualifier knocks out about half of America.
 
2013-08-21 09:50:12 AM  

This text is now purple: You're a single-issue voter, except for this.


"You're a single issue voter, except when you're not. JUSTIFY THIS TO ME"
 
2013-08-21 09:51:04 AM  
Screw the NRA, they're a bunch of fear mongers. Join the Second Amendment Foundation, they are your friends, they fight for freedom.
 
2013-08-21 09:51:24 AM  

IlGreven: The Name: NRA members won't care as long as it isn't the fedrul gub'mint amassing a database.

Which is, of course, their downfall.  Private entities having your information is just as dangerous as the government having your information.  If you trust any private organization more than you trust the federal government (which I suspect is a number pretty close to 0), then you're deluding yourself.


The fact that the database even exists means it's one hell of a lot easier for the government to get it's hands on it.  They can simply bribe someone with access, or send in a spy, or kick in a door, or get a warrant from a hidden court.  The NRA has done all the work for them.
 
2013-08-21 09:52:22 AM  

Saiga410: LasersHurt: Snatch Bandergrip: If you're a licensed gun owner, wouldn't you already be on a database?  Is it really any different than having a driver's license?

/Serious question

There is no licensing requirement for ownership (in a general sense, restrictions apply).

Offer not valid in IL


There is a license to carry a gun in most states but not one to own one. There are a lot of states where handgun purchases are registered but there is a gun show and private sale loophole where guns can be bought and sold outside of the state's system.
 
2013-08-21 09:54:50 AM  

LasersHurt: Frank N Stein: LasersHurt: Frank N Stein: NRA is a good organization

You're a funny man sometimes.

They've stood tall and helped kill a lot of gun control measures, which I do not support, on the State and federal level. They also do pretty good work with gun safety classes.

A lot of horrible people have done one or two good things, too. I think they're a ridiculous farce of an organization which has grown corrupt and politicized beyond repair. I think they knowingly abuse peoples' emotions, and I think the philosophy they actively or tacitly support about guns is dangerous.

Give me a more tempered organization who fights honestly and I can get behind it, but the NRA is slimy these days.


Well I disagree. In fact, it's telling that you think opposing gun control is "dangerous", and shows that the preceding arguments you made are based on that bias.

It seems to me that the NRA, to you, is too hard-nose. You want a pro-gun organization that is less effective and will roll over.
 
2013-08-21 09:55:16 AM  
1) The "list" described in tfa is not "a secret list of gun owners." For example, a list of those with hunting permits =/= a list of gun owners.
2) If the NRA is, in fact, attempting to obtain a list of folks who may be interested in joining their organization, I'd rather the NRA have this list than a President and a political party which seems to think the function of government is to pass as many restrictions on the U.S. Constitution as possible
3) Non-story is non-
 
2013-08-21 09:56:29 AM  
Am I the only one who doesn't understand why the government WOULDN'T have a database of all guns and who they belong to? How is that a bad thing?
 
2013-08-21 09:56:40 AM  

Frank N Stein: In fact, it's telling that you think opposing gun control is "dangerous"


I think it's telling that you can't avoid conflating two different things to make a false accusation against me.
 
2013-08-21 09:57:08 AM  
Mail order conservatism.
 
2013-08-21 09:57:42 AM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: AngryDragon: Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.

If the ACLU defended the 2nd Amendment the NRA would go back to what it was originally intended to be, a shooting club.  Gun owners flock to the NRA because it's the only 2A rights organization with any clout.

Yet the NRA supported Romney over Obama, because it is all about the 2nd amendment?


Romney pushed for MA legislation to include the language of the federal legislation.

MA proposed an all out ban. Romney pushed to allow MA residents to purchase models manufactured previous to 1994 that didn't have folding/telescoping stocks, flash hiders, bayonet lugs etc....

You can buy an AR 15 today in MA. Without Romneys input you could not.

Obama stated multiple times during his campaign that you should not be able to own an AR15. Guns should all be registered, Smith and Wesson should be sued if someone who could have been his son uses one of their products to rape and murder a 90 year old woman etc....


So yes, for them it was all about the second amendment.
Do you have proof otherwise?
 
2013-08-21 09:58:09 AM  

Aristocles: 1) The "list" described in tfa is not "a secret list of gun owners." For example, a list of those with hunting permits =/= a list of gun owners.
2) If the NRA is, in fact, attempting to obtain a list of folks who may be interested in joining their organization, I'd rather the NRA have this list than a President and a political party which seems to think the function of government is to pass as many restrictions on the U.S. Constitution as possible
3) Non-story is non-


When it's time to kick in the doors these lists may not correspond 1:1 with gun owners but they will be damn close.
 
2013-08-21 09:58:56 AM  

hobberwickey: Am I the only one who doesn't understand why the government WOULDN'T have a database of all guns and who they belong to? How is that a bad thing?


www.addictinginfo.org
 
2013-08-21 09:59:09 AM  

This text is now purple: DROxINxTHExWIND: This text is now purple: DROxINxTHExWIND: The one time the NRA was behind a group actively opposing the government, it was in support of black suffrage. I would think that's the sort of thing you could get behind.


This guy. If i support an organization simply because they've supported blacks it means I'm a racist. But, if I don't take race into consideration when commenting it means that I SHOULD have taken race into consideration. Make up your mind.

Also, the fact that they were once on the right side of history doesn't mean they're not profiteers now.***


/***See Sharpton, Al; Jackson, Jesse

Point of order -- when was Jesse on the right side of history? Are does he receive credit for using MLK as a kevlar kid?


When you're wrong, the noble thing to do is to admit it and move on. Or, you can try to change the subject with a corny ass joke.

It's a serious question. Jesse has a rep as this great civil rights leader, but I struggled to come up with something he's actually done, beyond riding the right set of coat-tails. He's like the black GB2.

As to the original point, I just want you to be consistent. You're a single-issue voter, except for this. There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


WAS one of them. Haven't been for quite some time.
 
2013-08-21 10:00:05 AM  
This text is now purple:

It's a serious question. Jesse has a rep as this great civil rights leader, but I struggled to come up with something he's actually done, beyond riding the right set of coat-tails. He's like the black GB2.

As to the original point, I just want you to be consistent. You're a single-issue voter, except for this. There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.



And I'm sure you've spend countless hours studying the life of Jesse Jackson to come to that determination. I called him a profiteer and I'm still supposed to defend him because ...black? I don't know. Do you think we walk around with lists of every organization that's said something positive about a black person to determine who to support? I don't go to McDonalds just because they have a black kid in the commercial breakdancing with a McGriddle in his mouth. But, I think the real takeaway from your comments is that you finally realize that there is a disparity in America between how whites and blacks are treated. You're coming along, son.
 
2013-08-21 10:00:34 AM  

LasersHurt: Frank N Stein: In fact, it's telling that you think opposing gun control is "dangerous"

I think it's telling that you can't avoid conflating two different things to make a false accusation against me.


Oh, then do tell me how the NRA is dangerous.
 
2013-08-21 10:01:03 AM  

This text is now purple


There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?
 
2013-08-21 10:02:03 AM  

PopularFront: Aristocles: 1) The "list" described in tfa is not "a secret list of gun owners." For example, a list of those with hunting permits =/= a list of gun owners.
2) If the NRA is, in fact, attempting to obtain a list of folks who may be interested in joining their organization, I'd rather the NRA have this list than a President and a political party which seems to think the function of government is to pass as many restrictions on the U.S. Constitution as possible
3) Non-story is non-

When it's time to kick in the doors these lists may not correspond 1:1 with gun owners but they will be damn close.


You're persistent.
 
2013-08-21 10:02:11 AM  

Frank N Stein: LasersHurt: Frank N Stein: In fact, it's telling that you think opposing gun control is "dangerous"

I think it's telling that you can't avoid conflating two different things to make a false accusation against me.

Oh, then do tell me how the NRA is dangerous.


Tell me how they are not.
 
2013-08-21 10:02:41 AM  

Frank N Stein: LasersHurt: Frank N Stein: In fact, it's telling that you think opposing gun control is "dangerous"

I think it's telling that you can't avoid conflating two different things to make a false accusation against me.

Oh, then do tell me how the NRA is dangerous.


Because: 

LasersHurt: I think they knowingly abuse peoples' emotions, and I think the philosophy they actively or tacitly support about guns is dangerous.


If you're capable of the reading comprehension necessary to ask an accurate question, I await it.
 
2013-08-21 10:02:55 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?


Is Obama the only black guy you know of?
 
2013-08-21 10:03:20 AM  

wildcardjack: jayhawk88: Step 1: Convince gun owners the NRA is secretly tracking their gun purchases
Step 2: Warglebargle
Step 3: NRA membership drains, and it's almost impossible for them to keep records for what members remain

BRILLIANT!

You missed the part where even if you quit the NRA they still keep you on their mailing lists, which they actively SELL to Republican candidate election campaigns.


I cancelled my membership years ago and never got any propaganda from them afterwards nor did I receive any mailers from other gun related sources.

The politicians around here just get a list of property owners from the county clerk for mailing list purposes.

But I keep getting mail for some dude named Current with some wierd surname like Reident which seems German.
 
2013-08-21 10:03:59 AM  

Frank N Stein: PopularFront: Aristocles: 1) The "list" described in tfa is not "a secret list of gun owners." For example, a list of those with hunting permits =/= a list of gun owners.
2) If the NRA is, in fact, attempting to obtain a list of folks who may be interested in joining their organization, I'd rather the NRA have this list than a President and a political party which seems to think the function of government is to pass as many restrictions on the U.S. Constitution as possible
3) Non-story is non-

When it's time to kick in the doors these lists may not correspond 1:1 with gun owners but they will be damn close.

You're persistent.


So was Cassandra.
 
2013-08-21 10:04:20 AM  

LasersHurt: Frank N Stein: LasersHurt: Frank N Stein: In fact, it's telling that you think opposing gun control is "dangerous"

I think it's telling that you can't avoid conflating two different things to make a false accusation against me.

Oh, then do tell me how the NRA is dangerous.

Because:  LasersHurt: I think they knowingly abuse peoples' emotions, and I think the philosophy they actively or tacitly support about guns is dangerous.

If you're capable of the reading comprehension necessary to ask an accurate question, I await it.


"I think the I think the philosophy they...support about guns is dangerous"

So, what philosophy is that?
 
2013-08-21 10:04:59 AM  

PopularFront: Aristocles: 1) The "list" described in tfa is not "a secret list of gun owners." For example, a list of those with hunting permits =/= a list of gun owners.
2) If the NRA is, in fact, attempting to obtain a list of folks who may be interested in joining their organization, I'd rather the NRA have this list than a President and a political party which seems to think the function of government is to pass as many restrictions on the U.S. Constitution as possible
3) Non-story is non-

When it's time to kick in the doors these lists may not correspond 1:1 with gun owners but they will be damn close.


I think the lists that are mentioned in the article (and not all of them may actually exist, e.g. list of attendees at a gun show, I've never had to sign-in to be admitted) will correspond more to folks who have the same or similar views and beliefs as the NRA. However, while it may be close, it will still not be a 1 to 1 ratio.

It seems like the NRA is doing what numerous other organizations do, namely, compiling a mailing list.
 
2013-08-21 10:05:20 AM  

Aristocles: hobberwickey: Am I the only one who doesn't understand why the government WOULDN'T have a database of all guns and who they belong to? How is that a bad thing?

[www.addictinginfo.org image 604x453]


Yes totally stupid to not understand how a database that could be used to instantly identify the owner of a gun used in a crime is a bas thing. The question is more, why NOT have a database like that rather than why have one?
 
2013-08-21 10:05:22 AM  

KyngNothing: Pants full of macaroni!!: Wouldn't that be, um, their mailing list?

It sounds like this includes people who have not joined the NRA, including    lists of attendees of gun show , or gathering names of new owners from the thousands of gun-safety classes taught by NRA-certified instructor ...

I'm not sure all of those people signed up to be on the NRA mailing list.


They kinda suck at their job then.  I used to be an NRA-certified rifle instructor.  And I never got any mail from them (which is fine with me, I would have probably burned it in the yard or sent it back with fecal matter smeared all over it so that someone, anyone there would get sick, near death, then rethink their lives working for the worst organization EVER).
 
2013-08-21 10:06:21 AM  

Frank N Stein: LasersHurt: Frank N Stein: NRA is a good organization

You're a funny man sometimes.

They've stood tall and helped kill a lot of gun control measures, which I do not support, on the State and federal level. They also do pretty good work with gun safety classes.


You're still knocking us dead, Frank.  Tell us again how the NRA is all angelic and sh*t.  I need a belly laugh.
 
2013-08-21 10:06:36 AM  

hobberwickey: Am I the only one who doesn't understand why the government WOULDN'T have a database of all guns and who they belong to? How is that a bad thing?


And this is why "history" classes in school don't cover more than the civil rights era nowadays.
 
2013-08-21 10:07:26 AM  

LasersHurt: Give me a more tempered organization who fights honestly and I can get behind it, but the NRA is slimy these days


Like the ACLU, which has been my contention all along.
 
2013-08-21 10:08:19 AM  

hobberwickey: Aristocles: hobberwickey: Am I the only one who doesn't understand why the government WOULDN'T have a database of all guns and who they belong to? How is that a bad thing?

[www.addictinginfo.org image 604x453]

Yes totally stupid to not understand how a database that could be used to instantly identify the owner of a gun used in a crime is a bas thing. The question is more, why NOT have a database like that rather than why have one?


Philadelphia was able to change the percentage of unsolved murders from 80% or so to 10% or so without needing a database of gun owners. They hired a new chief who focused on police work....like asking questions and whatnot.
 
2013-08-21 10:08:34 AM  

Frank N Stein: Englebert Slaptyback: This text is now purple

There aren't that many organizations, that when the chips are down, will back an unpopular black guy. But the NRA is one of them.


Like when the NRA endorsed President Obama during the 2012 Presidential election?

Is Obama the only black guy you know of?


No, but um, he had a much better pro-gun track record than Romney.  "But he's a black librul!  ZOMG!  Vote for Romney who voted for an assault weapons ban! DUURRRRRRR HERRRR!" -NRA
 
2013-08-21 10:08:54 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Uranus Is Huge!: So everyone is fine if the Brady Campaign uses the same tactics to compile a database of guns and their owners?

Shocking that someone on Fark is uninformed...  Nah.  NEWSFLASH:  The NRA doesn't have a database of guns and their owners.  They have a database of people who through direct or indirect action have expressed interest in firearms, firearms related items or activities or the shooting sports

If you ever bought anything from Cheaperthandirt.com or sportsmansguide.com, the NRA has you in their database.


Nice dodge.
 
2013-08-21 10:10:40 AM  

hobberwickey: Aristocles: hobberwickey: Am I the only one who doesn't understand why the government WOULDN'T have a database of all guns and who they belong to? How is that a bad thing?

[www.addictinginfo.org image 604x453]

Yes totally stupid to not understand how a database that could be used to instantly identify the owner of a gun used in a crime is a bas thing. The question is more, why NOT have a database like that rather than why have one?


Well, see, it's 'cause, for one, the "database" or which you speak would not contain the names of those who purchased guns on the black-market. You know, the guns that are purchased by criminals...
 
2013-08-21 10:10:40 AM  

Frank N Stein


Is Obama the only black guy you know of?


Yes, that's it! I am familiar with only one such person!

Or I was providing an example of the NRA *not* supporting such a person in arguably the highest-profile election in the country, in clear contradiction to an earlier post from give me doughnuts.

Romney - sponsored AWB in MA
Obama - nothing of the sort

NRA endorses Romney. Well, that makes sense. *eyeroll*
 
2013-08-21 10:10:46 AM  

Aristocles: PopularFront: Aristocles: 1) The "list" described in tfa is not "a secret list of gun owners." For example, a list of those with hunting permits =/= a list of gun owners.
2) If the NRA is, in fact, attempting to obtain a list of folks who may be interested in joining their organization, I'd rather the NRA have this list than a President and a political party which seems to think the function of government is to pass as many restrictions on the U.S. Constitution as possible
3) Non-story is non-

When it's time to kick in the doors these lists may not correspond 1:1 with gun owners but they will be damn close.

I think the lists that are mentioned in the article (and not all of them may actually exist, e.g. list of attendees at a gun show, I've never had to sign-in to be admitted) will correspond more to folks who have the same or similar views and beliefs as the NRA. However, while it may be close, it will still not be a 1 to 1 ratio.

It seems like the NRA is doing what numerous other organizations do, namely, compiling a mailing list.


Compiling a mailing list makes perfect sense in terms of fund raising.  I don't dispute that at all.  It's just that this particular list is likely to have a very high correlation with gun owners.  If the creation of a government database of gun owners is a real problem then, given the governments ability to access private information, why isn't it a problem that any database of gun owners exists?   It's likely trivial for the government to get their hands on it.
 
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