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2013-08-21 09:02:02 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Wouldn't that be, um, their mailing list?


Came to say something similar...Seeing as you have to join this association one would assume that the list of members is their "secret" database?
 
2013-08-21 09:02:48 AM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: AngryDragon: El_Frijole_Blanco: AngryDragon: Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.

If the ACLU defended the 2nd Amendment the NRA would go back to what it was originally intended to be, a shooting club.  Gun owners flock to the NRA because it's the only 2A rights organization with any clout.

Yet the NRA supported Romney over Obama, because it is all about the 2nd amendment?

Which has what to do with the ACLU treating the 2nd amendment as a scarlet letter?

The rank and file NRA member would never support the ACLU is pretty much the point


I'm fairly certain you're wrong there.  Many gun owners, like me, are socially very liberal, educated, and progressive.  I maintain an NRA membership specifically because they defend the 2nd amendment.  It's pretty painful actually to be associated with the closed-minded, xenophobic, "god-fearing" type that the NRA seems to be associated with.  Since there is no powerful alternative, I stay.

If the ACLU supported the 2nd, there would be a complete exodus by people like me.  It is fairly hypocritical for them not to.
 
2013-08-21 09:02:56 AM  
Wait, a "club" with a "membership" keeps a "list" of its "members"?

OMG!

Stupid farking article is farking stupid.
 
2013-08-21 09:03:08 AM  

give me doughnuts: KyngNothing: Pants full of macaroni!!: Wouldn't that be, um, their mailing list?

It sounds like this includes people who have not joined the NRA, including    lists of attendees of gun show , or gathering names of new owners from the thousands of gun-safety classes taught by NRA-certified instructor ...

I'm not sure all of those people signed up to be on the NRA mailing list.


I've been to gun shows, and nobody ever asked my name, nobody was wandering around taking attendance, and if they were I'm sure all of the bunker-builders would freak the fark out. As for the others, if the NRA has your mailing address, it is extraordinarily likely that you gave it to them.


In short, the NRA lobbyist quoted in the article is lying about how they got their information.
 
2013-08-21 09:03:16 AM  

bmongar: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The NSA also has one, its called "anyone who has Googled ffor dock enlargement pills"

Pills for dock enlargement.  When I got a larger boat I had to hire a crew of red necks (Central Missouri Ozarks) to build a larger dock.  How would a pill do that, do you toss it in the water by end of the dock?


It's amazing where modern medicine is heading these days.
 
2013-08-21 09:06:27 AM  

Doom MD: I love how intellectually dishonest this article is. The NRA has a mailing list, holy crap.


An extremely influential organization has a huge database that rivals the databases of recent presidential campaigns and uses it to influence public discourse and policy. Said organization has built up numerous ways of gathering information including gun safety classes run under its auspices.

Also, there is a lot of overlap between anti-government types and NRA members, who apparently don't mind being manipulated by the gun industry.

There, FTFY.
 
2013-08-21 09:06:27 AM  

Don_cos: Princess Ryans Knickers: This will be great! When we finally takeover all the markets we can then use the list the NRA compiled and begin to target the gun users for re-education! I think possibly even get some free labor out of them too when they fight back and we have to put them in prison!

Right, let's bring back slavery under a new name.

And how do you unarmed fools, plan to round up these gun owners?


Ever hear of police, National Guard, or military? What now tough guy?
 
2013-08-21 09:06:54 AM  

Don_cos: And how do you unarmed fools, plan to round up these gun owners?


Giant magnets.
 
2013-08-21 09:07:20 AM  

Serious Black: In short, the NRA lobbyist quoted in the article is lying about how they got their information.


Most gun shows have a table right up front where you can sign up for a door prize.  Guess where the information from all those signup cards goes.
 
2013-08-21 09:08:00 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Don_cos: And how do you unarmed fools, plan to round up these gun owners?

Giant magnets.


OK.  That was funny.

*golf clap*
 
2013-08-21 09:08:00 AM  

AngryDragon: El_Frijole_Blanco: AngryDragon: El_Frijole_Blanco: AngryDragon: Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.

If the ACLU defended the 2nd Amendment the NRA would go back to what it was originally intended to be, a shooting club.  Gun owners flock to the NRA because it's the only 2A rights organization with any clout.

Yet the NRA supported Romney over Obama, because it is all about the 2nd amendment?

Which has what to do with the ACLU treating the 2nd amendment as a scarlet letter?

The rank and file NRA member would never support the ACLU is pretty much the point

I'm fairly certain you're wrong there.  Many gun owners, like me, are socially very liberal, educated, and progressive.  I maintain an NRA membership specifically because they defend the 2nd amendment.  It's pretty painful actually to be associated with the closed-minded, xenophobic, "god-fearing" type that the NRA seems to be associated with.  Since there is no powerful alternative, I stay.

If the ACLU supported the 2nd, there would be a complete exodus by people like me.  It is fairly hypocritical for them not to.


The UNRA.
 
2013-08-21 09:08:40 AM  

AngryDragon: Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.

If the ACLU defended the 2nd Amendment the NRA would go back to what it was originally intended to be, a shooting club.  Gun owners flock to the NRA because it's the only 2A rights organization with any clout.


LOL. Oh you. The NRA, much like a church, needs its members to generate revenue. They don't care about gun laws because they think the2nd amendment will allow you, Rusty, and the boys at the VFW to win the battle of Shiatkick Hill in a war against the government. They need your dues. They advocate for the rights of gun MANUFACTURERS to make sure they're allowed to keep selling you death. If Congress passed a law that said, "All NRA members are allowed to own whatever guns they want too, but non-members are forbidden from owning a firearm", do you think the NRA would fight for the rights of the non-members on the grounds that they believe in the 2nd amendment?
 
2013-08-21 09:08:44 AM  

KyngNothing: Pants full of macaroni!!: Wouldn't that be, um, their mailing list?

It sounds like this includes people who have not joined the NRA, including    lists of attendees of gun show , or gathering names of new owners from the thousands of gun-safety classes taught by NRA-certified instructor ...

I'm not sure all of those people signed up to be on the NRA mailing list.


Actually they probably did.  You know when they click on "accept Terms" without reading them.
 
2013-08-21 09:08:58 AM  

Don_cos: Princess Ryans Knickers: This will be great! When we finally takeover all the markets we can then use the list the NRA compiled and begin to target the gun users for re-education! I think possibly even get some free labor out of them too when they fight back and we have to put them in prison!

Right, let's bring back slavery under a new name.

And how do you unarmed fools, plan to round up these gun owners?


there are many liberals who own guns who aren't NRA members, muhahahaha. Oh you didn't get the memo on that from your Teabagger overlords?
 
2013-08-21 09:10:32 AM  

d23: I would be less concerned if the NRA had not become of front for gun manufacturers.

Anyone that thinks they are a group for gun owners is deluded past the point of reasoning with them.


Kinda like those people who think modern day unions are for the workers.
 
2013-08-21 09:11:05 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Don_cos: And how do you unarmed fools, plan to round up these gun owners?

Giant magnets.


What your posse might look like:
media.oregonlive.com
 
2013-08-21 09:11:20 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Wouldn't that be, um, their mailing list?


way south: Not every gun owner is a member of the NRA, and not every NRA member owns a gun. The data they've compiled either comes from voluntary sources (mailing list, membership) or was originally collected by the government anyway.

The same government that is listening to your voicemail and reading your emails has probably been absent minded about destroying background check and ownership transfer records.

I'm thinking that the NRA isn't a problem since they have no power to confiscate weapons or the interest in doing so. The only way their data becomes a problem is if the government takes it.
...but since it has even more detailed information, there wouldn't be much sense in doing so.


That database has been built through years of acquiring gun permit registration lists from state and county offices, gathering names of new owners from the thousands of gun-safety classes taught by NRA-certified instructors and by buying lists of attendees of gun shows, subscribers to gun magazines and more, BuzzFeed has learned.

Candy coat it all you want kids. They have been collecting gun registration info from counties and states. WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION!!!
 
2013-08-21 09:12:31 AM  

give me doughnuts


As for the others, if the NRA has your mailing address, it is extraordinarily likely that you gave it to them.


Not quite. I am not an NRA member, have never been to an NRA event, and have never entered into any correspondence with the NRA, but I receive snail mail from them occasionally.

It's possible an online vendor provided my info to them but that was not due to any action on my part. I always decline the 'NRA round-up' (rounding the order price to the next dollar as a donation to the NRA) and decline being added to mailing lists, etc.
 
2013-08-21 09:13:49 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Serious Black: In short, the NRA lobbyist quoted in the article is lying about how they got their information.

Most gun shows have a table right up front where you can sign up for a door prize.  Guess where the information from all those signup cards goes.


And guess who is giving away the door prize? Like I said: If the NRA has your name and mailing address, it's because you gave it to them.
 
2013-08-21 09:14:37 AM  
FB Graph Search is a good tool to find your local loud mouthed gun nutters too.
 
2013-08-21 09:14:46 AM  

CPennypacker: I sure hope none of them fall down on that slippery slope with all of that ordinance tiny penis compensation they're carrying.

 
2013-08-21 09:16:02 AM  
Most people called that a CRM not a registry
 
2013-08-21 09:16:24 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: AngryDragon: Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.

If the ACLU defended the 2nd Amendment the NRA would go back to what it was originally intended to be, a shooting club.  Gun owners flock to the NRA because it's the only 2A rights organization with any clout.

LOL. Oh you. The NRA, much like a church, needs its members to generate revenue. They don't care about gun laws because they think the2nd amendment will allow you, Rusty, and the boys at the VFW to win the battle of Shiatkick Hill in a war against the government. They need your dues. They advocate for the rights of gun MANUFACTURERS to make sure they're allowed to keep selling you death. If Congress passed a law that said, "All NRA members are allowed to own whatever guns they want too, but non-members are forbidden from owning a firearm", do you think the NRA would fight for the rights of the non-members on the grounds that they believe in the 2nd amendment?


That wasn't my point either.  The fact remains that the NRA is the only organization with enough political clout actively defending the 2nd amendment.  Anyone who believe in that constitutional right has no other alternative than to support them.  The ACLU could change that almost overnight by changing their position.

Don't worry, that will NEVER happen.
 
2013-08-21 09:18:16 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Don_cos: And how do you unarmed fools, plan to round up these gun owners?

Giant magnets.


img.pandawhale.com
 
2013-08-21 09:19:35 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Don_cos: And how do you unarmed fools, plan to round up these gun owners?

Giant magnets.


That's a good one!
 
2013-08-21 09:19:40 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: LOL. Oh you. The NRA, much like a church, needs its members to generate revenue. They don't care about gun laws because they think the2nd amendment will allow you, Rusty, and the boys at the VFW to win the battle of Shiatkick Hill in a war against the government.


You of all people.

The one time the NRA was behind a group actively opposing the government, it was in support of black suffrage. I would think that's the sort of thing you could get behind.
 
2013-08-21 09:21:40 AM  

AngryDragon: The fact remains that the NRA is the only organization with enough political clout actively defending the 2nd amendment.


'Cos it's under attack, right? Just any day now, the gub'mint's gonna come git yer guns!!!! If it weren't for that brave, brave, lobbying group, GeneralissimObama's death squads would have us all relegated to FEMA camps!

Could I interest you in an fantastic investment opportunity involving these extraordinary -- others have gone so far as to call them magic -- beans?
 
2013-08-21 09:21:43 AM  

give me doughnuts: And guess who is giving away the door prize?


Usually the promoter that's putting on the gunshow.
 
2013-08-21 09:22:20 AM  
They're calling 3rd parties, including local governments to mine data about CCW permit holders to compile a database. THIS ISN'T JUST THEIR MEMBERSHIP ROLES!

I know the gun-nut hive mind has told all its rugged individualist members that these types of databases will lead to an instant comprehensive campaign by the feds to seize all firearms. So why are you folks so complicit?
 
2013-08-21 09:23:11 AM  

Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.


It's one of two reasons that I have never joined, the other being that the NRA is as idiotic of an organization as PETA, but 'Not being on a list' is actually the #1 reason...
 
2013-08-21 09:23:49 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Ever hear of police, National Guard, or military? What now tough guy?


Yep, been a member of all three.  And the majority of them support the 2nd Amendment.

Also;
The military (including the Gaurd and Reserve) are not allowed to be used domestically in this manner.
The Police aren't even allowed to properly round up the illegal guns.
 
2013-08-21 09:24:56 AM  
So everyone is fine if the Brady Campaign uses the same tactics to compile a database of guns and their owners?
 
2013-08-21 09:25:27 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The NSA also has one, its called "anyone who has Googled ffor dock enlargement pills"


I don't even live on a waterway, let alone own a boat.
 
2013-08-21 09:25:39 AM  

This text is now purple: DROxINxTHExWIND: LOL. Oh you. The NRA, much like a church, needs its members to generate revenue. They don't care about gun laws because they think the2nd amendment will allow you, Rusty, and the boys at the VFW to win the battle of Shiatkick Hill in a war against the government.

You of all people.

The one time the NRA was behind a group actively opposing the government, it was in support of black suffrage. I would think that's the sort of thing you could get behind.



This guy. If i support an organization simply because they've supported blacks it means I'm a racist. But, if I don't take race into consideration when commenting it means that I SHOULD have taken race into consideration. Make up your mind.

Also, the fact that they were once on the right side of history doesn't mean they're not profiteers now.***


/***See Sharpton, Al; Jackson, Jesse
 
2013-08-21 09:27:17 AM  

EyeballKid: AngryDragon: The fact remains that the NRA is the only organization with enough political clout actively defending the 2nd amendment.

'Cos it's under attack, right? Just any day now, the gub'mint's gonna come git yer guns!!!! If it weren't for that brave, brave, lobbying group, GeneralissimObama's death squads would have us all relegated to FEMA camps!

Could I interest you in an fantastic investment opportunity involving these extraordinary -- others have gone so far as to call them magic -- beans?


Jesus, why does anyone who states that the 2nd amendment needs to be defended have to be categorized as a prepper?  I don't hear people screaming about the 1st or 4th being labeled as communists or terrorists, at least not by sane people.

Every amendment in the Bill of Rights should be defended vigorously, no exceptions.  The fact that the ACLU, which I consider to be a reputable and valuable organization, avoids the 2nd opens opportunities for other more radical groups to step into the void.
 
2013-08-21 09:28:15 AM  

tennesseemike: When I bought my gun I had to have a back ground check.  No way the government didn't put me on a list, and I don't care.  I don't care if the NRA or the NYT also has a list.   Why should you?


Because they're gonna use the list to come and take yer guns!
 
2013-08-21 09:29:06 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: They're calling 3rd parties, including local governments to mine data about CCW permit holders to compile a database. THIS ISN'T JUST THEIR MEMBERSHIP ROLES!

I know the gun-nut hive mind has told all its rugged individualist members that these types of databases will lead to an instant comprehensive campaign by the feds to seize all firearms. So why are you folks so complicit?


I am going to let you finish Skippy but I must interject that the comprehensive listing of firearms to their owners is what gun nuts dont want.  This is not that.
 
2013-08-21 09:29:16 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: So everyone is fine if the Brady Campaign uses the same tactics to compile a database of guns and their owners?


Shocking that someone on Fark is uninformed...  Nah.  NEWSFLASH:  The NRA doesn't have a database of guns and their owners.  They have a database of people who through direct or indirect action have expressed interest in firearms, firearms related items or activities or the shooting sports

If you ever bought anything from Cheaperthandirt.com or sportsmansguide.com, the NRA has you in their database.
 
2013-08-21 09:29:47 AM  

Egalitarian: there are many liberals who own guns who aren't NRA members, muhahahaha. Oh you didn't get the memo on that from your Teabagger overlords?


I never said anything about Liberals vs. Conservatives.  It's gun owners vs. civil rights violating do gooders.

Oh, you didn't get the memo on that from your drug muddled union masters?
 
2013-08-21 09:31:29 AM  

AngryDragon: Jesus, why does anyone who states that the 2nd amendment needs to be defended have to be categorized as a prepper? I don't hear people screaming about the 1st or 4th being labeled as communists or terrorists, at least not by sane people.

Every amendment in the Bill of Rights should be defended vigorously, no exceptions. The fact that the ACLU, which I consider to be a reputable and valuable organization, avoids the 2nd opens opportunities for other more radical groups to step into the void.


Here's a little tip. You know when would have been a great time to offer some sort of gun control? After two children shot up fellow students during class at an affluent neighborhood high school in Colorado. And, do you know how many gun control measures were enacted as a result of the Columbine shooting? None. Nada. Not one. The NRA even had ran a victory lap in Denver shortly after the shootings. If the gun lobby was too powerful for any gun control measures to pass after Columbine, I think it's safe to say they have nothing to worry about.

But, please, remind me how we're just a 300-round clip away from TURRANY!!!
 
2013-08-21 09:31:36 AM  

Don_cos: Princess Ryans Knickers: Ever hear of police, National Guard, or military? What now tough guy?

Yep, been a member of all three.  And the majority of them support the 2nd Amendment.

Also;
The military (including the Gaurd and Reserve) are not allowed to be used domestically in this manner.
The Police aren't even allowed to properly round up the illegal guns.


Laws change. Both the military and the police follow the law. Bend over cracker.
 
2013-08-21 09:32:26 AM  
I am a gun owner. I will not give a penny to the NRA. Not one cent. Especially after the last presidential campaign in which they gave an F to Obama (grading candidates based on 2A policies, etc.) and an A to Romney. Obama, early in his first term, legalized the carry of firearms in National Parks, and enacted no anti gun legislation during his first term. Romney, on the other hand, enacted an assault weapons ban in 2004 in his home state. Now, we can bicker all day about whether or not these are good or bad things. That is not the point. The point is that the NRA decided to ignore the fact that Romney signed the bill into law, and decided to support him (Cuz Republican, that's why), and conveniently forgot that Obama took the opposite route. The NRA doesn't care what you actually do, they only care about what you say you will do. Absolutely ridiculous. Want to support gun rights? Join GOA or JPFO, or something similar. And dont vote for idiots. And dont make reasonable gun owners look like morons. And I am running out of steam and I am done now.
 
2013-08-21 09:32:41 AM  

Saiga410: They may have a list of people that have shown interest in firearms, but that is a bit different than knowing who owns what firearm.


Exactly. The NRA's "database" is good, the BATFE's is better.
 
2013-08-21 09:34:53 AM  

jdcgonzalez: I am a gun owner. I will not give a penny to the NRA. Not one cent. Especially after the last presidential campaign in which they gave an F to Obama (grading candidates based on 2A policies, etc.) and an A to Romney. Obama, early in his first term, legalized the carry of firearms in National Parks, and enacted no anti gun legislation during his first term. Romney, on the other hand, enacted an assault weapons ban in 2004 in his home state. Now, we can bicker all day about whether or not these are good or bad things. That is not the point. The point is that the NRA decided to ignore the fact that Romney signed the bill into law, and decided to support him (Cuz Republican, that's why), and conveniently forgot that Obama took the opposite route. The NRA doesn't care what you actually do, they only care about what you say you will do. Absolutely ridiculous. Want to support gun rights? Join GOA or JPFO, or something similar. And dont vote for idiots. And dont make reasonable gun owners look like morons. And I am running out of steam and I am done now.


You know what? Dont support JPFO, I just looked at their website and they are as batshiat crazy as the other guys. Sigh. This is why we cant have nice guns.
 
2013-08-21 09:35:37 AM  
If you're a licensed gun owner, wouldn't you already be on a database?  Is it really any different than having a driver's license?

/Serious question
 
2013-08-21 09:36:54 AM  

Snatch Bandergrip: If you're a licensed gun owner, wouldn't you already be on a database?  Is it really any different than having a driver's license?

/Serious question


There is no licensing requirement for ownership (in a general sense, restrictions apply).
 
2013-08-21 09:36:59 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: This will be great! When we finally takeover all the markets we can then use the list the NRA compiled and begin to target the gun users for re-education! I think possibly even get some free labor out of them too when they fight back and we have to put them in prison!


Given their capabilities, the NSA could know everyone who has sent or received email (or mail) to the NRA.   It would be nice to see the NRA combat this by extending their lobbying clout to privacy issues.
 
2013-08-21 09:37:03 AM  
The password for said database is quite tricky. Instead of password, it is secret. No wonder the NSA, CIA, USDA and BSA haven't been able to crack it.
 
2013-08-21 09:38:39 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: So everyone is fine if the Brady Campaign uses the same tactics to compile a database of guns and their owners?


Nah, Brady's easy to stop. Just put a non-handicapped accessible entrance into your file room.
 
2013-08-21 09:39:18 AM  
HAHAHAAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

*breathe*

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
 
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