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2013-08-21 08:33:46 AM
This will be great! When we finally takeover all the markets we can then use the list the NRA compiled and begin to target the gun users for re-education! I think possibly even get some free labor out of them too when they fight back and we have to put them in prison!
 
2013-08-21 08:33:57 AM
I sure hope none of them fall down on that slippery slope with all of that ordinance they're carrying.
 
2013-08-21 08:34:23 AM
And the NRA took all their guns away, and everyone lived happily ever after.

T H E   E N D
 
2013-08-21 08:34:27 AM
I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.
 
2013-08-21 08:34:28 AM
The NSA also has one, its called "anyone who has Googled ffor dock enlargement pills"
 
2013-08-21 08:35:06 AM
Wouldn't that be, um, their mailing list?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 08:35:52 AM
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2013-08-21 08:36:50 AM
   The NRA is an organization secretly created by the government in order to control both sides of the gun control debate.  It is just show opposition to give the illusion of freedom.  The government knew the would never be able to collect the data by legislation but people will voluntarily give up that information to supposed opposition to the government.
   Well now they have is suckers and they will come in their jack boots to take your guns.
   LOL you thought that large organizations and corporations were different than the government.
 
2013-08-21 08:37:04 AM
I love how intellectually dishonest this article is. The NRA has a mailing list, holy crap.
 
2013-08-21 08:37:18 AM

Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.


If the ACLU defended the 2nd Amendment the NRA would go back to what it was originally intended to be, a shooting club.  Gun owners flock to the NRA because it's the only 2A rights organization with any clout.
 
2013-08-21 08:38:07 AM
NRA members won't care as long as it isn't the fedrul gub'mint amassing a database.

Now, if we find out that the NSA has access to this database . . .

Oh wait, they still won't care.
 
2013-08-21 08:38:13 AM
Yeah, but that's totally different.
 
2013-08-21 08:38:30 AM
Well, someone has to have all the names for that well-regulated militia.
 
2013-08-21 08:38:34 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The NSA also has one, its called "anyone who has Googled ffor dock enlargement pills"


Pills for dock enlargement.  When I got a larger boat I had to hire a crew of red necks (Central Missouri Ozarks) to build a larger dock.  How would a pill do that, do you toss it in the water by end of the dock?
 
2013-08-21 08:38:44 AM
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The NRA is conspiring with the Soviets, the Cubans, and the Nicaraguans.  I knew it all along.
 
2013-08-21 08:38:45 AM

Doom MD: I love how intellectually dishonest this article is. The NRA has a mailing list, holy crap.


I'll bet the EFF and ACLU do, too. Hell, the NAACP as well.

Just send 'em all a national security letter.
 
2013-08-21 08:38:51 AM

CPennypacker


I sure hope none of them fall down on that slippery slope with all of that ordinance ordnance they're carrying.
 
2013-08-21 08:39:48 AM
Quite a difference between a NRA secret data base compared to a mandated government secret data base.
 
2013-08-21 08:39:51 AM
Yes, but the NRA is using the database only for good. As defenders of freedom, truth and gun safety, they will never allow this information to be used to hurt the best interests of Wayne LaPierre.
 
2013-08-21 08:41:20 AM

The Name: NRA members won't care as long as it isn't the fedrul gub'mint amassing a database.

Now, if we find out that the NSA has access to this database . . .

Oh wait, they still won't care.


You're right. The NRA having a list of people they send emails and newsletters to is totally the same as the government creating a list of serialized firearms every American owns. This article has a garbage premise.
 
2013-08-21 08:42:25 AM
It means they don't really fear that an authoritarian American government will use such a list against gun owners.
Even an idiot knows that it would be pretty damn easy for the government to get that entire database if it was willing to engage in less than ethical means.
 
2013-08-21 08:42:25 AM
The only thing to stop bad guys with a huge database is a good guy with a huge database.
 
2013-08-21 08:43:05 AM
What's funny is that more than likely one could use existing commerce data to extrapolate who might be existing gun owners based on your age, race, location, purchases, and online activity.

Yet, people bemoan government databases and willfully ignore the private ones.
 
2013-08-21 08:43:26 AM
I haven't been a member of the NRA since I was on my high school rifle team in 1970, and they still send me e-mails every couple days.
Hey! How the hell did they get my e-mail address?
 
2013-08-21 08:43:37 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: CPennypacker

I sure hope none of them fall down on that slippery slope with all of that ordinance ordnance they're carrying.


No. They carry laws. Yeah.
 
2013-08-21 08:43:42 AM

Deep Contact: Quite a difference between a NRA secret data base compared to a mandated government secret data base.


Exactly, it's perfectly fine for the NRA to do this. It's not like the NSA and FBI will have access to the list at any time... oops.
 
2013-08-21 08:43:47 AM

TheMysteriousStranger: It means they don't really fear that an authoritarian American government will use such a list against gun owners.
Even an idiot knows that it would be pretty damn easy for the government to get that entire database if it was willing to engage in less than ethical means.


And do what? Getting an email from the NRA says nothing about whether you own guns and what type of guns you own.
 
2013-08-21 08:44:03 AM

Doom MD: I love how intellectually dishonest this article is. The NRA has a mailing list, holy crap.



Yeah it goes a little further than a simple "mailing list."  I hunt and own guns, and get unwanted crap from the NRA all the time, even though it'd be a cold day in hell before I'd join up.
 
2013-08-21 08:44:37 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Wouldn't that be, um, their mailing list?


It sounds like this includes people who have not joined the NRA, including    lists of attendees of gun show , or gathering names of new owners from the thousands of gun-safety classes taught by NRA-certified instructor ...

I'm not sure all of those people signed up to be on the NRA mailing list.
 
2013-08-21 08:44:53 AM

AngryDragon: Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.

If the ACLU defended the 2nd Amendment the NRA would go back to what it was originally intended to be, a shooting club.  Gun owners flock to the NRA because it's the only 2A rights organization with any clout.


Yet the NRA supported Romney over Obama, because it is all about the 2nd amendment?
 
2013-08-21 08:45:24 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: What's funny is that more than likely one could use existing commerce data to extrapolate who might be existing gun owners based on your age, race, location, purchases, and online activity.

Yet, people bemoan government databases and willfully ignore the private ones.



That's the crazy part of it.  The government barely needs to maintain its databases, because private companies already maintain massive databases that they can just subpoena.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 08:46:21 AM
I would be less concerned if the NRA had not become of front for gun manufacturers.

Anyone that thinks they are a group for gun owners is deluded past the point of reasoning with them.
 
2013-08-21 08:46:35 AM

Doom MD: I love how intellectually dishonest this article is. The NRA has a mailing list, holy crap.


This.

As an NRA instructor, I can guarantee you that no where on our class registration and attendance reports does it ever ask if a person owns a firearm nor does it ask for any information about firearms they own.  It's pretty much just name, address, phone number and email.  The NRA has a vast list of people interested in shooting sports or firearms.  It does not have a record of who owns firearms or what firearms they own.
 
2013-08-21 08:46:45 AM
The slipperiness of this slope must not be under-estimated. Srsly. Super Cereal here.
 
2013-08-21 08:47:04 AM
Step 1: Convince gun owners the NRA is secretly tracking their gun purchases
Step 2: Warglebargle
Step 3: NRA membership drains, and it's almost impossible for them to keep records for what members remain

BRILLIANT!
 
2013-08-21 08:47:13 AM
Nothing like the pants wetting fear of the right wing authoritarian followers.  What's so fricken scary about a frickin gun registry?  They're going to take urr guns!

No, they're not, not any more than your car, your house, your boat or anything else.

ObOnTopic:  This is exactly why my paranoid uncle would never join the NRA.  He always said that the government would just take the membership roll from the NRA when they wanted to know who owned most of the guns.

Of course, the NRA membership if a minor fraction of the American population (a little over 1%), and a fairly minor fraction of the gun owning population, which is more and more concentrated.  A group that makes people who own guns soil their nethers at the sight of their own shadow routinely.  They have an outsized, or thing they do, over the politics, and after being for reasonable gun regulation, their flip to unfettered gun ownership is more likely to result in over regulation and seizure in the future.  They've been perturbing the pendulum so much that when it swings free it will go so far in the direction they abhor, that they'll welcome something as small as a national gun registry.
 
2013-08-21 08:47:35 AM

El_Frijole_Blanco: AngryDragon: Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.

If the ACLU defended the 2nd Amendment the NRA would go back to what it was originally intended to be, a shooting club.  Gun owners flock to the NRA because it's the only 2A rights organization with any clout.

Yet the NRA supported Romney over Obama, because it is all about the 2nd amendment?



It's funny when people pretend that the NRA is something more than a gun industry lobbying group / political partner of the GOP.
 
2013-08-21 08:49:11 AM
Where's your god now, barrel-strokers?
 
2013-08-21 08:50:06 AM
They may have a list of people that have shown interest in firearms, but that is a bit different than knowing who owns what firearm.
 
2013-08-21 08:50:40 AM

Chummer45: It's funny when people pretend that the NRA is something more than a gun industry lobbying group / political partner of the GOP.


They aren't even a partner for the GOP, it just so happens the GOP supports their industry. The NRA is all about selling more guns, period..end of story

Chummer45: That's the crazy part of it. The government barely needs to maintain its databases, because private companies already maintain massive databases that they can just subpoena.


Exactly, and thanks to the Patriot Act commerce records can easily be obtained because of its wide berth in the language.
 
2013-08-21 08:51:09 AM
You mean the NRA has a secret list of people who signed up for stuff with the NRA?

SAY IT AIN"T SO!!1!
 
2013-08-21 08:51:27 AM

El_Frijole_Blanco: AngryDragon: Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.

If the ACLU defended the 2nd Amendment the NRA would go back to what it was originally intended to be, a shooting club.  Gun owners flock to the NRA because it's the only 2A rights organization with any clout.

Yet the NRA supported Romney over Obama, because it is all about the 2nd amendment?


Which has what to do with the ACLU treating the 2nd amendment as a scarlet letter?
 
2013-08-21 08:51:56 AM
Not every gun owner is a member of the NRA, and not every NRA member owns a gun. The data they've compiled either comes from voluntary sources (mailing list, membership) or was originally collected by the government anyway.

The same government that is listening to your voicemail and reading your emails has probably been absent minded about destroying background check and ownership transfer records.

I'm thinking that the NRA isn't a problem since they have no power to confiscate weapons or the interest in doing so. The only way their data becomes a problem is if the government takes it.
...but since it has even more detailed information, there wouldn't be much sense in doing so.
 
2013-08-21 08:51:58 AM
State of Florida forbids any kind of gun registry.
 
2013-08-21 08:53:57 AM

jayhawk88: Step 1: Convince gun owners the NRA is secretly tracking their gun purchases
Step 2: Warglebargle
Step 3: NRA membership drains, and it's almost impossible for them to keep records for what members remain

BRILLIANT!


You missed the part where even if you quit the NRA they still keep you on their mailing lists, which they actively SELL to Republican candidate election campaigns.
 
2013-08-21 08:55:49 AM
Sure is a lot of rationalizing going in in this thread.

You ammosexuals do realize, given recent revelations about the NSA, that if there's a giant database about guns and their owners, the government already has a copy, don't you?
 
2013-08-21 08:57:26 AM

AngryDragon: El_Frijole_Blanco: AngryDragon: Serious Black: I bet I can count how many NRA members who oppose a national gun database enough to give up their own membership in the NRA on zero hands.

If the ACLU defended the 2nd Amendment the NRA would go back to what it was originally intended to be, a shooting club.  Gun owners flock to the NRA because it's the only 2A rights organization with any clout.

Yet the NRA supported Romney over Obama, because it is all about the 2nd amendment?

Which has what to do with the ACLU treating the 2nd amendment as a scarlet letter?


The rank and file NRA member would never support the ACLU is pretty much the point
 
2013-08-21 08:58:21 AM

KyngNothing: Pants full of macaroni!!: Wouldn't that be, um, their mailing list?

It sounds like this includes people who have not joined the NRA, including    lists of attendees of gun show , or gathering names of new owners from the thousands of gun-safety classes taught by NRA-certified instructor ...

I'm not sure all of those people signed up to be on the NRA mailing list.



I've been to gun shows, and nobody ever asked my name, nobody was wandering around taking attendance, and if they were I'm sure all of the bunker-builders would freak the fark out. As for the others, if the NRA has your mailing address, it is extraordinarily likely that you gave it to them.
 
2013-08-21 09:00:03 AM
When I bought my gun I had to have a back ground check.  No way the government didn't put me on a list, and I don't care.  I don't care if the NRA or the NYT also has a list.   Why should you?
 
2013-08-21 09:00:20 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: This will be great! When we finally takeover all the markets we can then use the list the NRA compiled and begin to target the gun users for re-education! I think possibly even get some free labor out of them too when they fight back and we have to put them in prison!


Right, let's bring back slavery under a new name.

And how do you unarmed fools, plan to round up these gun owners?
 
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