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(AZCentral)   It's hard to believe that in the 2008 NBA draft, there was substantive debate over why the Chicago Bulls might want to draft Michael Beasley instead of Derrick Rose   (azcentral.com) divider line 32
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2013-08-21 09:22:16 AM
Hind sight is 20/20.
 
2013-08-21 09:24:39 AM

Muta: Hind sight is 20/20.


High sight is 400/10
 
2013-08-21 09:33:55 AM
I wish I had a job where I could basically be utterly wrong year in and year out and I'd still get that high profile gig rating and grading drafts - seriously it's almost as good at being a CEO - I mean once you make it, it doesnt matter how many companies you drive in to the ground someone is always backing a truck of cash up to your house and begging you to take the job.
 
2013-08-21 09:39:04 AM
Greg Oden over Kevin Durant.  LaRue Martin over Dr. J.  Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley.

Poor Portland.  Poor draft choices should be termed "Trailblazing".
 
2013-08-21 09:44:37 AM

northernpike: Greg Oden over Kevin Durant.  LaRue Martin over Dr. J.  Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley.

Poor Portland.  Poor draft choices should be termed "Trailblazing".


They did get the Brandon Roy pick right.
 
2013-08-21 09:48:28 AM
This is why you need billionaire owners
 
2013-08-21 10:01:59 AM

Gunny Highway: northernpike: Greg Oden over Kevin Durant.  LaRue Martin over Dr. J.  Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley.

Poor Portland.  Poor draft choices should be termed "Trailblazing".

They did get the Brandon Roy pick right.


He lasted for what, 4-5 years, before his knees gave out? Bowie was All-Rookie before he broke both of his legs (how I can't even begin to imagine) and his career derailed from there. Not that the 2006 draft was any good, but do you think the Blazers would rather have Rondo or Gay for an entire career or Roy for 4-5?
 
2013-08-21 10:02:39 AM

Fizpez: I wish I had a job where I could basically be utterly wrong year in and year out and I'd still get that high profile gig rating and grading drafts - seriously it's almost as good at being a CEO - I mean once you make it, it doesnt matter how many companies you drive in to the ground someone is always backing a truck of cash up to your house and begging you to take the job.


I'll take the CEO salary, then the "being tall, smoking pot, and making $6 million per year guaranteed" gig.  And if that doesn't work out, utterly wrong draft guy is an excellent fallback.
 
2013-08-21 10:10:44 AM

redmid17: Gunny Highway: northernpike: Greg Oden over Kevin Durant.  LaRue Martin over Dr. J.  Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley.

Poor Portland.  Poor draft choices should be termed "Trailblazing".

They did get the Brandon Roy pick right.

He lasted for what, 4-5 years, before his knees gave out? Bowie was All-Rookie before he broke both of his legs (how I can't even begin to imagine) and his career derailed from there. Not that the 2006 draft was any good, but do you think the Blazers would rather have Rondo or Gay for an entire career or Roy for 4-5?


Gay was picked before him and Rondo was way down in the draft.  Did Roy have a history of knee problems the Blazers should have known about or did he just break down.  Didnt Bowie have a long history of injuries? Isnt that why the pick was so indefensible?
 
2013-08-21 10:14:11 AM
Hard to believe with the benefit of history we're able to look back and say one pick is better than another. Hard to believe.
 
2013-08-21 10:15:38 AM

Gunny Highway: redmid17: Gunny Highway: northernpike: Greg Oden over Kevin Durant.  LaRue Martin over Dr. J.  Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley.

Poor Portland.  Poor draft choices should be termed "Trailblazing".

They did get the Brandon Roy pick right.

He lasted for what, 4-5 years, before his knees gave out? Bowie was All-Rookie before he broke both of his legs (how I can't even begin to imagine) and his career derailed from there. Not that the 2006 draft was any good, but do you think the Blazers would rather have Rondo or Gay for an entire career or Roy for 4-5?

Gay was picked before him and Rondo was way down in the draft.  Did Roy have a history of knee problems the Blazers should have known about or did he just break down.  Didnt Bowie have a long history of injuries? Isnt that why the pick was so indefensible?


Gay was picked 8th. Roy was 6th. T-wolves passed on Roy (actually traded him for Foye) because he had knee issues in college, but I don't know if they were as bad as Bowie's. It was definitely something that came up on draft boards.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brandon-Roy-343/
 
2013-08-21 10:16:08 AM

Gunny Highway: Gay was picked before him


*twiddles thumbs* Neeeevermind.

But there are a lot of people (stat nerds) who think Gay is the shiats so that has to be worth something.
 
2013-08-21 10:17:48 AM

redmid17: Gay was picked 8th. Roy was 6th. T-wolves passed on Roy (actually traded him for Foye) because he had knee issues in college, but I don't know if they were as bad as Bowie's. It was definitely something that came up on draft boards.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brandon-Roy-343/


Fair enough.  I still dont think they can be criticized for the Roy pick.  He was awesome and just broke down.
 
2013-08-21 10:20:49 AM
Looks like whoever defended Beasley doesn't have a leg to stand on.

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Oh sh*t, sorry man.
 
2013-08-21 10:24:00 AM
Rose to the Heat is a fascinating cascade What If? though:

- Heat are much better in '08-09 and '09-10
- No way they get both LeBron and Bosh for '10-11. If you believe some of the "They decided this in China during the Olympics" rumors, they might still have gotten LeBron, but with both Wade and Rose on the team, it would seem more likely they would have gone with Bosh, if anyone. They may not have been able to get another big name at all, as they might not have been on the "no contracts beyond '10-11" path Riley put them on that allowed them to get their Big 3 in the first place.
- LeBron to where then? New York? Stayed in Cleveland?
- Does Dallas get their title in '10-11 if it's Rose or Wade carrying the load down the stretch in games rather than LeBron?
- Could both Rose and Wade stay healthy enough to get the Heat a title in '11-12 or '12-13? Seems unlikely given what we've seen from both of them in that time.
- Does LeBron continue to mature into the best player in basketball if he's on the Knicks or Cavs? Or does he continue down the path of "super talented but can't close out games" path he seemed to be on before '11-12?
- Do the Celtics get another title with the Big 3 in '10-11 if they don't have to go through the LeBron/Wade/Bosh team in the playoffs? Do the Durant/Westbrook/Harden Thunder get a title in '11-12? If so, would that prevent the James Harden trade?
- Do the Spurs get another title last year, or would a Thunder team still with Harden been able to beat them?
 
2013-08-21 10:25:48 AM

Gunny Highway: Gunny Highway: Gay was picked before him

*twiddles thumbs* Neeeevermind.

But there are a lot of people (stat nerds) who think Gay is the shiats so that has to be worth something.


Gay is a great stats/FB player, but there is a reason he hasn't made any all star teams or all-defense teams. He's a decent scorer who is overpriced.

Gunny Highway: redmid17: Gay was picked 8th. Roy was 6th. T-wolves passed on Roy (actually traded him for Foye) because he had knee issues in college, but I don't know if they were as bad as Bowie's. It was definitely something that came up on draft boards.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brandon-Roy-343/

Fair enough.  I still dont think they can be criticized for the Roy pick.  He was awesome and just broke down.


Oh I don't criticize them for it. I don't think anyone saw him breaking down like he did. I was just looking at it with benefit of hindsight, and it's not like Roy was awesome and healthy for his first 4 years in the NBA either.
 
2013-08-21 10:29:38 AM

redmid17: it's not like Roy was awesome and healthy for his first 4 years in the NBA either.


I am a Roy fanboy so I am admittedly unbiased on this subject.
 
2013-08-21 10:37:37 AM

Gunny Highway: redmid17: it's not like Roy was awesome and healthy for his first 4 years in the NBA either.

I am a Roy fanboy so I am admittedly unbiased on this subject.


Haha. His peak was stellar but he missed a good chunk of time his rookie year and 4th year, and he had extensive work done on his knees pretty much throughout his career.
 
2013-08-21 10:38:41 AM
And this, boys and girls, is why grading drafts the day after they happen is utter garbage.
 
2013-08-21 10:54:12 AM

vonschiller: And this, boys and girls, is why grading drafts the day after they happen is utter garbage.


Would be awesome if someone on TV just blurted out "Beasley has potential, but he just smokes too much weed and has no grace when interacting with women.  It's a bad pick.  I see a lot of arrests and jail time for him."
 
2013-08-21 10:54:36 AM

Gunny Highway: Muta: Hind sight is 20/20.

High sight is 400/10


How do you not go with "High sight is 4/20" there?
 
2013-08-21 10:56:07 AM
The sheer ego of a GM or Coach who thinks that by pure force of personality and leadership they can take a widely acknowledged head-case and "turn him around" is astounding.

Everyone knew Beasley was a supremely talented and physically gifted specimen - but a total nut-job who may or may not even like playing the game.  Why anyone would waste a first-round pick on that mess blows my mind.
 
2013-08-21 10:58:58 AM

LucklessWonder: Gunny Highway: Muta: Hind sight is 20/20.

High sight is 400/10

How do you not go with "High sight is 4/20" there?


...I am high and I over thought it?

/I am ashamed
 
2013-08-21 11:22:34 AM
I will say though, I don't recall "Beasley over Rose" ever reaching the level of "Durant over Oden" or even "Derrick Williams over Kyrie Irving". I know the argument was made, but Rose by far was the consensus #1.
 
2013-08-21 11:23:08 AM

jayhawk88: Rose to the Heat is a fascinating cascade What If? though:

- Heat are much better in '08-09 and '09-10
- No way they get both LeBron and Bosh for '10-11. If you believe some of the "They decided this in China during the Olympics" rumors, they might still have gotten LeBron, but with both Wade and Rose on the team, it would seem more likely they would have gone with Bosh, if anyone. They may not have been able to get another big name at all, as they might not have been on the "no contracts beyond '10-11" path Riley put them on that allowed them to get their Big 3 in the first place.
- LeBron to where then? New York? Stayed in Cleveland?
- Does Dallas get their title in '10-11 if it's Rose or Wade carrying the load down the stretch in games rather than LeBron?
- Could both Rose and Wade stay healthy enough to get the Heat a title in '11-12 or '12-13? Seems unlikely given what we've seen from both of them in that time.
- Does LeBron continue to mature into the best player in basketball if he's on the Knicks or Cavs? Or does he continue down the path of "super talented but can't close out games" path he seemed to be on before '11-12?
- Do the Celtics get another title with the Big 3 in '10-11 if they don't have to go through the LeBron/Wade/Bosh team in the playoffs? Do the Durant/Westbrook/Harden Thunder get a title in '11-12? If so, would that prevent the James Harden trade?
- Do the Spurs get another title last year, or would a Thunder team still with Harden been able to beat them?


whoa.  You made it through the Rabbit Hole.

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2013-08-21 12:24:42 PM
As a Bulls fan, I remember liking Beasley more than Rose.  For some reason I thought Beasley was 6'11".  Then I found out he was 6'9" or 6'10", and that Rose grew up in Chicago and was dying to be a Bull, so I changed my mind.
 
2013-08-21 01:33:57 PM
Reminds me of this old SI cover I saw in the doctor's office last week.

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2013-08-21 02:24:55 PM

funk_soul_bubby: Reminds me of this old SI cover I saw in the doctor's office last week.

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Locker - NO
Newton - MEH
Gabbert - NO

On the Rose-Beasley decision from what I've heard on the radio, Bulls brass brought in both for pre-draft interviews and asked both the question, "what do you hate the most?" Derrick Rose responded with "losing"; I don't recall exactly what Beasley's answer was, but it wasn't "losing".
 
2013-08-21 02:58:27 PM
After UW kicked the shiat out of KSU in that tourney game, I knew Beasley was overrated.

/yeah he had a good game but he didn't play like a lottery pick
//bill walker was more impressive and a tougher matchup
 
2013-08-21 04:54:25 PM
The Blazers nailed the Roy pick. Rudy Gay is one of the most overrated players in the league, and they couldn't have known Rondo would develop like he did. Frankly, without the big three around him, I doubt he would have, and I say that as someone who owns a Rondo jersey. The Blazers just need to fork over a bajillion dollars for the Suns training staff and they'll be contenders again.
 
2013-08-21 05:43:31 PM
Beasley outscored Rose by 759 points last season.
 
2013-08-22 11:17:14 AM

germ78: funk_soul_bubby: Reminds me of this old SI cover I saw in the doctor's office last week.

[i.cdn.turner.com image 442x575]

Locker - NO
Newton - MEH
Gabbert - NO

On the Rose-Beasley decision from what I've heard on the radio, Bulls brass brought in both for pre-draft interviews and asked both the question, "what do you hate the most?" Derrick Rose responded with "losing"; I don't recall exactly what Beasley's answer was, but it wasn't "losing".


If I recall correctly I remember reading that:  Beasley was interviewed first.  His answer (between texting and taking a call from a friend during the interview w/ the Bulls) was delivered while slouching in his chair.  "Umm.. Probably practice."
Rose gave the Bulls Brass complete attention throughout the interview and answered that same question: "Losing. By far."
Although his second most hated thing would have probably been taking the SATs though.
 
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