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(The New York Times)   You know that oddly consistent 20% of survey respondents who seem uninformed and out of touch? Say hi   (nytimes.com) divider line 34
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2013-08-21 08:15:30 AM  
And most of them will be dead within a decade, so this seems like a self correcting problem
 
2013-08-21 08:24:46 AM  
Behold, the people who keep reality TV alive.
Also: "Internet use is lowest in the South, particularly in Mississippi, Alabama and Arkansas."
Why does that not surprise me?
 
2013-08-21 08:25:56 AM  
They're called tea partiers, subby, and they're misinformed, not uninformed.
 
2013-08-21 08:27:27 AM  

Richard C Stanford: Behold, the people who keep reality TV alive.
Also: "Internet use is lowest in the South, particularly in Mississippi, Alabama and Arkansas."
Why does that not surprise me?


And people get all pissy when I compare the Deep South to Pakistan's Tribal Areas. Our derp thrives on the same kind of ignorance and primitive fundamentalist religion that theirs does. The only difference is that for the moment, we have a government that is effective at suppressing the worst of it.

But they are working on changing that.
 
2013-08-21 08:31:42 AM  
"Internet use is lowest in the South, particularly in Mississippi, Alabama and Arkansas."

Too busy eating.
 
2013-08-21 08:39:39 AM  
I'm surprised by the racial disparity. I expected a slightly lower figure for black users, but not 50% compared to 75%.

/statistics slightly altered due to lazy.
 
2013-08-21 08:48:40 AM  
Old people are out of touch. This isn't news, it is the same that has always been.
 
2013-08-21 08:51:13 AM  
Yes, because getting people to log in daily to FreeRepublic, UnskewedPolls,  Glenbeck.com, (on the liberal side we have intellicast, math.com, and thesaurus.com) we will attain the Age of Enlightenment.

Before the internet, we had communities that would include one or two village idiots. Thanks to the internet, we now have entire villages of idiots.
 
2013-08-21 08:52:45 AM  
Was the Obvious tag busy taking internet polls?
 
2013-08-21 08:54:29 AM  
TFA says 98% of Americans have access to some form of high-speed internet.  I guess so, if the internet most of us gets is considered a "slow-speed form of high-speed internet".
 
2013-08-21 09:03:15 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: They're called tea partiers, subby, and they're misinformed, not uninformed.


I belive that's MisUnderInformed thanks... :p
 
2013-08-21 09:03:30 AM  
Computer:  "Here am I.  This humble box, this simple screen, a gateway with which you can access any piece of information you desire.  Any question, answered.  Any story, told.  Opportunity to connect to people virtually anywhere!  The possibilities of unlimited knowledge are yours for the taking!  Will you partake?"

Old person: "Naw, I gots my stories on the teevee.  Ahm all set."
 
2013-08-21 09:14:39 AM  

Violet Son: Computer: "Here am I. This humble box, this simple screen, a gateway with which you can access any piece of information you desire. Any question, answered. Any story, told. Opportunity to connect to people virtually anywhere! The possibilities of unlimited knowledge are yours for the taking!

porn and cat pictures Will you partake?"

FTFY
 
2013-08-21 09:15:26 AM  
This just in, People in the 70's are actively looking for work.
 
2013-08-21 09:17:23 AM  
My wife is in this croud. SHe won't even use a cell phone unless she absolutely has to. Drives me farking crazy.

/i don't use cell phone any more either
//hate talking on phone
 
2013-08-21 09:34:22 AM  

Richard C Stanford: Behold, the people who keep reality TV alive.
Also: "Internet use is lowest in the South, particularly in Mississippi, Alabama and Arkansas."
Why does that not surprise me?


It would help if we could get decent 'net out here. I'm stuck with AT&T DSL 3.0 EXTREME! (3mbps down/340ish kbsp up). I can't hardly do shiat if netflix is on. Give me 25/5 and I'd be pushing a lot more data. So would a lot of people.
 
2013-08-21 09:38:40 AM  

Snort: This just in, People in the 70's are actively looking for work.


Yeah. I thought this was the real story. What the hell is wrong with the system when a 70 year-old has to look for work ?

My mother would not use an ATM, a cell phone or a computer, The "news" she watched had convinced her that only paedophiles used the internet, but at least she was living decently on her pension.
 
2013-08-21 09:47:22 AM  
One of my friends did some work teaching adults to use computers.  God bless her because that has to be frustrating.
 
2013-08-21 10:16:10 AM  
i have several family members like this.  my mother just can't use computers, she thinks that pressing one wrong button could make it burst into flames.  she adamantly refuses to sit down and learn the basics.  she can't even open up my dad's laptop to look something up, she has to wait for him to get home from work and then asks him to do it.  it's bizarre.  and it has affected her job, because management was pushing her to become an assistant supervisor, but finally had to give up and stick her in another department because she refused to use a computer.  and my grandparents don't use computers either, but my one grandmother finally allowed us to give her one a few years ago because the grandchildren were all growing up and moving away and she realized the internet was the only way she would be able to keep in contact with them.  all she knows how to do is open up her aol account and check her email, that's it.  i don't think she's ever visited a website before.
 
2013-08-21 10:25:05 AM  
Remember that broadcast news, newspapers, magazines, books. libraries and mail service still exist.  Those who are uninformed or out of touch are so because they lack interest or motivation to become informed.

The internet is nice, but not the be-all and end-all of life.
 
2013-08-21 10:38:28 AM  
I live in a neighborhbood where 60% of the people reportedly don't have internet access at home. It's old people, immigrants, and the poor.

So what does the city do? Switch to internet based polling, and then wonders out loud why responses from this neighborhood drop like a rock.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 10:39:20 AM  
There is no reason an older person can't use the interwebs.  It's a motivation thing.  I have known quite a number of older people who learned how to use a computer late in life.  It's a mental block and shouldn't be treated by the news as a real obstacle.
 
2013-08-21 10:56:21 AM  
cdn04.androidauthority.com

With fees tacked on, it's still $50 or so for decent broadband for most people, at least in my area.
 
2013-08-21 11:17:59 AM  
What's pathetic is the grand majority of farkers who think life without the internet is insane/impossible/unthinkable.
 
2013-08-21 11:36:01 AM  
i141.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-21 11:36:30 AM  

doubled99: What's pathetic is the grand majority of farkers who think life without the internet is insane/impossible/unthinkable.


It's not. But how would you feel if we took away your debit and credit cards? -made you go back to cash and manually writing checks. That'd be insane/impossible/unthinkable right? Especially if you had to get gas out in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night.

Life without the internet is just entirely inconvenient.
 
2013-08-21 12:39:46 PM  

Marley'sGirl: One of my friends did some work teaching adults to use computers.  God bless her because that has to be frustrating.


Old but still relevant...
http://www.theonion.com/articles/getting-mom-onto-internet-a-sisyphe an -ordeal,1404/
 
2013-08-21 02:11:36 PM  
So I've got a couple of uncles who don't have internet access and they're doing all right.

Dad's barely got a clue about how to use his and he's doing all right.

It's not the end of the world.  It's just annoying to get in contact with them.
 
2013-08-21 02:17:40 PM  

snowshovel: Yes, because getting people to log in daily to FreeRepublic, UnskewedPolls,  Glenbeck.com, (on the liberal side we have intellicast, math.com, and thesaurus.com) we will attain the Age of Enlightenment.

Before the internet, we had communities that would include one or two village idiots. Thanks to the internet, we now have entire villages of idiots.


www.weakstream.us
 
2013-08-21 02:34:49 PM  
I'm aware that I'm not supposed to actually read the article but...

What's actually amusing is that we've seemingly invested a great deal in this. We have some seven billion dollars slated for it with some of that already spent (those figures aren't in the article) and yet the percentage seems to be unchanged. Well, that was helpful. Maybe we should commit to spending another ten figure sum of money on this problem. That will fix it.

The article contains a bit about a seventy year old man who's learning to use a computer. Why is he learning to use a computer? So that he can get the job he's trying to get. So, surely the Real Problem® is that he doesn't know how to use a computer. Yup... That's surely the problem. The problem isn't, you know, that they're seventy years old and looking for work in the first place. That couldn't be the problem... Nah...

/did warn you to not vote for Obama
//did not recommend you vote for the Republicans either (or, obviously, the Tea Party morons)
/nobody listens to me and I guess I don't blame them but you get the government you deserve
 
2013-08-21 03:13:32 PM  

UnspokenVoice: Why is he learning to use a computer? So that he can get the job he's trying to get. So, surely the Real Problem® is that he doesn't know how to use a computer. Yup... That's surely the problem. The problem isn't, you know, that they're seventy years old and looking for work in the first place. That couldn't be the problem... Nah...


To be entirely fair:

It depends on your definition of "need".  Yes, in a perfect world, everyone would be drowning in cocaine and strippers, but the world isn't perfect.  Invent infinite supply, and we'll be there.

SS means you won't starve.  Probably.  If you're in a cheap area.  That's sort of the agreed-upon definition of "need" (ie: The people paying 45% marginal are OK with paying 45% marginal for not having old people starving in the streets).  Won't starve, roof on head, little bit extra.  Beyond that, that's want.  And to get what you want, you have to have money.  And to get money, you have to work (Or have lots of money and rake in the interest).  And if you can't work because you're useless (and to be entirely fair, completely unable to use a computer counts as useless these days), then you don't get what you want.

If he wants to work so that he doesn't starve, we have a problem.
If he wants to work so that he can afford to travel across the country to see his grandkids or similar, good on him for trying.
If he wants to work so that he can afford a second Porsche, I'm less concerned.

From the tone of the article, it sounds like he's somewhere between the first and the second.

It's like Uncle Tom delivering pizzas to pay for his gambling addiction.  If he'd stop dropping $20K/year at the casinos, he wouldn't need to deliver pizzas.  He doesn't NEED to work, because he doesn't NEED to gamble.  But he always describes it as "I need to work".
 
2013-08-21 03:14:05 PM  

d23: There is no reason an older person can't use the interwebs.  It's a motivation thing.  I have known quite a number of older people who learned how to use a computer late in life.  It's a mental block and shouldn't be treated by the news as a real obstacle.


Yep... My 79 year old grandmother manages to use a (Linux-based, no less!) laptop to send/receive E-mail, visit Facebook and a handful of other sites, and write and print letters with OpenOffice... She still puts on a computerphobic act around me, and asks me for help over every minor little issue, but somehow when I'm not there, she manages just fine on her own... Mainly due to the motivation to stay in contact with family members via E-mail/Facebook...

Prior to that laptop (and a EeePC before that), she had actually managed to learn enough DOS to use my ancient Tandy 1000HX 8088 machine (which should be either in a museum or a trash dump at this point, but she refuses to just let it go) to write and print letters with! If one can handle typing in DOS commands and using primitive text-based word processors from the 80s, any "I just can't handle using computers!" claims are really just an act...
 
2013-08-21 05:19:57 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: And most of them will be dead within a decade, so this seems like a self correcting problem


No they won't that generation had excellent pension plans so they can have the medical system spend endlessly to keep them alive and voting people into office who want to gut the very system that is keeping them alive.  It's a great thing!
 
2013-08-21 09:10:20 PM  
FTFA:  "About $500 million from the package went toward helping people learn to use the Internet. Those programs were highly successful, though on a small scale, producing more than half a million new household subscribers to Internet service ..."

Hmmm ... so it cost $1000.00 EACH to get people on the internet?
 
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