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(Think Progress)   Pastor wanders around with an AR-15 across his back because he's upset that he can't wander around with a pistol openly carried on his hip   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 262
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2013-08-21 07:48:03 AM  

USP .45: Oxygen_Thief: except i already fought in an asymmetrical war..I know shocking... don't remember lots of pilots getting shot in their bunks or mass amounts of sentries for that matter.

did you win?


Thats like asking one troop if they "won" the war in Korea.  "I parachuted in and killed Kim-jong ill all on my lonsome.  That pilot is just there for sure seriously.

That depends on how one describes "win" I lived it..I fought in it..I lived.caught some bad guys.honestly how do you even answer a question like that.
 
2013-08-21 07:49:02 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Kibbler: Would you like to guess how often that phrase enters normal people's minds when we hear about a "preacher" making a "protest" at Walmart, of all places, because he can strap a rifle across his back, or he can carry a pistol openly if he has a permit, but he can't carry a concealed pistol into friggin' Walmart?


(Hint:  somewhere between 100% and 100% of the time.)

Now.  Why can Congress restrict my civil liberties but Walmart can't?  Is "because you'd be retarded" the only argument?

The protest isn't against wal-mart, that's just where he happened to be for this new story.  Even the article admits (which is amazing for ThinkProgress) that he's protesting Texas firearms law under which it is perfectly legal for any person to carry around a loaded rifle openly, but completely illegal for any person, even with a handgun permit, to carry around a pistol openly.  Texas is one of only about half a dozen states where it is still illegal to openly carry a handgun.


I understand the protest is not directed specifically at Walmart.  But it's where he chose to make it.

Now if the issue were, say, the ethical treatment of animals, or access to the morning-after pill, and the protest was held at a Texas Walmart, I wonder what the reaction would be of the people who cheer this guy on for standing up for constitutional rights.

"Burn them! Burn the trespassing terrorists!" probably.
 
2013-08-21 07:49:02 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: If you take up arms against the United States, do not doubt that I will take up arms against you.


your oath is to the Constitution, not the actual land mass or title.

If you're a new found leftist, then your oath is to the title, and land mass, with no regard for any fixed constitution.
 
2013-08-21 07:49:11 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Oxygen_Thief: HindiDiscoMonster: Oxygen_Thief: except i already fought in an asymmetrical war..I know shocking... don't remember lots of pilots getting shot in their bunks or mass amounts of sentries for that matter. Besides me thinks QRF be on you quick fast and in a hurry.

what was the name of that war we were in that we didn't win and the enemy had no air support to speak of? I think it started with a V.... oh nevermind... that was a "police action"

I get your point but things do not work like they did then.  Certainly you agree with that, but if your goal is to scare politicians and one day rise up against the Gov you will have a bad day I promise you this is not the 1960's my man.  And my war was freedom or something so there.

Look man, just pass the LSD and let's just relax... :P


LSD is before my time...im thinking bath salts
 
2013-08-21 07:52:33 AM  

thamike: Do paranoid right wing gunporn morons have their own "You're not helping" meme?  Because that would fit nicely here.


lol that would require self-awareness and introspection

just lol
 
2013-08-21 07:54:40 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: speaking of Netflix, they have a new show they are producing "House of Cards" which looks pretty interesting.


Not sure if this is a joke I'm missing... But, they've already finished and released the first season of their new "House of Cards" remake long ago... And, yes, it's quite excellent! Definitely check it out if you haven't yet... I'm eagerly awaiting season 2...

/On topic, all I have to say is that if you're protesting the overly strict gun laws of Texas, well...
//No, I don't actually have any words for my feelings on that...
 
2013-08-21 07:55:17 AM  

Cold_Sassy: demaL-demaL-yeH: ...Concealed carry is cowardice squared.
Stop pissing your pants, pay attention to your surroundings, and don't walk around an armed douchebag.

Stop being so stupid.  Not everybody is the iron man/he-man that you are.  Are you bullet-proof?
If you're a 5'4" 120# woman, I call it leveling the playing field.


I'm not bulletproof. I'm also not in a war zone.
I am aware of my surroundings.
I'm not walking around afraid.
If you're walking around armed absent good reason (see above), you are afraid.

I'm certain that I won't be able to wrap my mind around any "justification" you can proffer for being among unarmed people with lethal force as your first (and, so far only named) resort - you know, in order to "level" the playing field -, so don't bother.

/Don't wet pants chafe and give you rashes after a while?
 
2013-08-21 07:55:45 AM  
I mean I sort of get it. He's a Texan and Texas law requires a certain amount of derping to stay a citizen. But a preacher walking around with an AR-15!?!?!  That's wtf even for Texas.

/ Who would Jesus shoot?
 
2013-08-21 07:57:29 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: cranio-coccyx.


HindiDiscoMonster: unfortunatly, the service would not take me due to a condition i was born with (not my fault), but i did try anyway.


Already named it.
 
2013-08-21 07:57:37 AM  

thamike: Do paranoid right wing gunporn morons have their own "You're not helping" meme?  Because that would fit nicely here.


in typical insurgenty red dawn fashion we live off the land so to speak and just use the Jon Stewart one.
 
2013-08-21 07:58:17 AM  

thamike: Do paranoid right wing gunporn morons have their own "You're not helping" meme?


Yes they do. His name is Ted Nugent.
 
2013-08-21 08:00:28 AM  

heili skrimsli: They also call an AR-15 an 'assault rifle' which it is not.


I am pretty sure that is what AR stands for.


/i keed
 
2013-08-21 08:04:18 AM  
Hmm, is it legal? Then no big deal. There are more things to worry about in this world than a man who wants attention.
 
2013-08-21 08:05:53 AM  
This sort of thing is the reason I haven't set food inside a Protestant church in . . . gosh, probably seven years.

With the exception of smaller, more progressive sects like Unitarians and Anglicans, Protestant churches in the US generally are nothing more than right-wing nutjob recruitment centers.
 
2013-08-21 08:10:12 AM  

taurusowner: Good for him. The bearing of arms is a Constitutional right. Might open carry upset some people? Yep. Well so did seeing an African American sitting at a table in a diner some time back. But they protested in the open and did things that some people might have thought outrageous. They did it to make it so their rights were recognized. And this citizen is doing the same. And yes, the two issues are similar. Citizens have a number of Rights protected by the Constitution. And one of them is peaceful protesting and demonstrating to ensure the rest of the rights remain recognized. The peaceful bearing of arms as an act of public education and demonstration is his right, and I for one am happy to see him exercise it.


In, 554http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=U S&v ol=554&page=570"  the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment ... ...stated that "the right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose". They also clarified that many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession listed by the Court are consistent with the Second Amendment

What we ought to do is to clarify the second amendment removing peoples right to have guns outside a well regulated militia. This pastor is seemingly campaigning for the opposite.
 
2013-08-21 08:13:05 AM  

USP .45: demaL-demaL-yeH: If you take up arms against the United States, do not doubt that I will take up arms against you.

your oath is to the Constitution, not the actual land mass or title.
If you're a new found leftist, then your oath is to the title, and land mass, with no regard for any fixed constitution.


Hmm. The Constitution. The one that specifies what constitutes treason? The one that says I am subject to civilian authority and my chain of command under the UCMJ?
The one which establishes the United States as a nation of laws?
That Constitution?
I'm obligated to defend that land mass, and the system of law, and the rule of law, and the government established by those laws, and the people subject to those laws.

We done settled that issue definitively in the early 1860s: Take up arms against the United States, and I will take up arms against you.

/And mine won't be German-made, either.
 
2013-08-21 08:14:06 AM  
Jim_Callahan:
//It's not that odd that they'd eject you from a Wal-Mart for carrying a rifle around-- not because they care about you being armed, but because that's a product they sell and they don't usually want you bringing in stuff they sell beyond essential stuff like clothing.  Loss prevention.

Yeah, they kicked him out because they thought he stole it, not because he was scaring everyone.
 
2013-08-21 08:19:42 AM  
zach.craigsniffen.com

I actually favor open carry, but with the riders that a) you have to be trained b) a can of pepper spray must be integrated into your holster.
 
2013-08-21 08:20:32 AM  
A preacher in Texas who has no idea what Jesus said about violence. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. And yes his being a preacher should come ahead of any second amendment issues.
 
2013-08-21 08:24:26 AM  
Everytime I see somebody "protest carrying" with a rifle slung behind the back like that, I have to kind of chuckle.

if you got blitz attacked from an angle (which wouldn't be that hard in a place like Walmart), even a moderately skilled attacker could take that gun an shove it up your ass in short order...

// gun owner CHL holder
// open handgun carry is legal in my state, but I'd prefer the world NOT know Imam carrying
 
2013-08-21 08:25:04 AM  
I'd love to know the name of his well-regulated militia.
 
2013-08-21 08:28:13 AM  

dforkus: I'd prefer the world NOT know Imam carrying


See, people?
Muslim clergy. Definitely has received death threats.
That is good reason to walk around armed.
 
2013-08-21 08:30:13 AM  
If only there was a higher power this guy could rely on that would protect him.
 
2013-08-21 08:32:52 AM  
You all mock this preacher but I don't. I'm sure in a few months we are going to have a follow up of him saving the day. Only question will be a Arab terrorist cell he takes down or a black street thug aka Zimmerman style.
 
2013-08-21 08:32:54 AM  

stuhayes2010: If only there was a higher power this guy could rely on that would protect him.


You're saying he should upgrade to .45 ACP? Not a bad idea...
 
2013-08-21 08:33:07 AM  
AR15? Pretty weak for a holy man.
i.imgur.com.

No, but really, besides it being tacky to bring into a supermarket, this is a non-issue.
/Texas liberal.
//Gotta love that bill of rights.
 
2013-08-21 08:35:03 AM  
I'm getting a kick...
That guy used to work where I do.

Everyone says he was a nice guy.
 
2013-08-21 08:35:48 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Hmm. The Constitution.


yep that. no spin. that.
 
2013-08-21 08:39:07 AM  
Does it mean anything that USP 45 and taurusowner are references to weapons.  I suppose tarusowner could be a deep emotional attachment to Fords but I'm pretty sure not.  I'm from Nebraska - out in the sandhills we always had a rifle handy for snakes and beasties that endangered the livestock.  It was a tool not an item of lust.  People who lust after their guns are worrisome.  If they need the manhood boost get a fast boat or a Porsche.
 
2013-08-21 08:39:56 AM  

USP .45: demaL-demaL-yeH: If you take up arms against the United States, do not doubt that I will take up arms against you.

your oath is to the Constitution, not the actual land mass or title.

If you're a new found leftist, then your oath is to the title, and land mass, with no regard for any fixed constitution.


Fixed constitution?  The Constitution is not fixed.  There's a whole section of it devoted to the ways in which it can be changed, either via direct modification (Amendments), execution (Executive Branch enforcement, or lack thereof), or interpretation (Supreme Court rulings).  The Constitution is not, and should never be, a fixed document.  This is why I laugh at the second amendment folks who only refer to the original text of the second amendment and ignore the piles and piles of surrounding legal doctrine that is just as constitutionally valid.

And before you get into the whole Leftist/Liberal/pollywog name calling.  Yes, I self-identify as a liberal.  I am pro second amendment.  in fact, I personally believe that schools should be teaching a comprehensive gun safety program that includes the students firing a gun of some kind.  Abstinence-only education doesn't work for sex-ed, and it doesn't work for gun-ed either.
 
2013-08-21 08:41:41 AM  
Came here to point this out. Thanks lewismarktwo."the same weapon used to kill 20 children and six adults in the Newtown, Connecticut school shooting."

Damn, I had thought that one would still be in police lock up. How did he get his hands on that?
 
2013-08-21 08:42:08 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'd love to know the name of his well-regulated militia.


Well regulated meant it was in working order back when it was written.
 
2013-08-21 08:45:58 AM  

Deep Contact: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'd love to know the name of his well-regulated militia.

Well regulated meant it was in working order back when it was written.


Yeah its working really well right now. Well oiled machine.
 
2013-08-21 08:50:40 AM  

forcebender: I don't have a problem with people carrying guns, I have a problem with people who think their town is so dangerous and so crime ridden they need to (no, it really isn't, you're just paranoid and self-righteous.)


Tell that to Chicago folks.
 
2013-08-21 08:53:28 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: LowbrowDeluxe: God I hate open carry farkwards.  They're AT LEAST as pathetically douchebag edgy as I was in my 80's spiky punk phase.  "What do you think you're looking at?  You got a problem?  Why does everyone gotta hassle me?  I'm so persecuted just because I want to walk around with 20 pounds of dangerous metal stuck through my clothing."  The difference being, I was a teenager and they all suck, and I grew out of it.

It's a matter of personal preference. I'd rather be able to spot the armed douchebags from farther away.
Concealed carry is cowardice squared.

If you're walking around armed for no good reason, you're wrong.
And no, rescue fantasies, just-in-case, it's-muh-gord-given-constipational-right, being a wuss, it's dark out, no reason at all, and the other usual dreck do  not constitute good reason.
Examples of good reason: A specific threat against your person, you're taking the till to the bank, you're a cop on duty, you are a diamond courier, you're working your day job in an armored car, you are a bodyguard, you are a postal inspector, you're in a real combat zone, etc.

There are innocent bystanders all around you, Rambo. You are not Marshal Dillon, or John Wayne, Dirty Harry, or whatever Hollywood fantasy you believe you're living when you point your loaded pistol at the mirror.

Stop pissing your pants, pay attention to your surroundings, and don't walk around an armed douchebag.



Kissd my entire ass.

/armed
//not scared
 
2013-08-21 08:55:53 AM  
You never really need freedom of speech. Cops are your friend, so you really don't need 4th amendment protections.
 
2013-08-21 09:02:00 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: forcebender: I don't have a problem with people carrying guns, I have a problem with people who think their town is so dangerous and so crime ridden they need to (no, it really isn't, you're just paranoid and self-righteous.)

Detroit would like a word with you.


Also see:  Chicago, IL
 
2013-08-21 09:02:32 AM  
Open Carry fanatics are at their hearts cowardly little shiats.

If you are so scared of life that you can't go to the store without openly packing a gun, then just don't leave your house.
 
2013-08-21 09:06:00 AM  

Bucky Katt: FTFA: his camera man claims the recording is for Holcomb's "safety."

He's armed and STILL scared.


Of course.
 
2013-08-21 09:06:53 AM  

taurusowner: Good for him. The bearing of arms is a Constitutional right. Might open carry upset some people? Yep. Well so did seeing an African American sitting at a table in a diner some time back. But they protested in the open and did things that some people might have thought outrageous. They did it to make it so their rights were recognized. And this citizen is doing the same. And yes, the two issues are similar. Citizens have a number of Rights protected by the Constitution. And one of them is peaceful protesting and demonstrating to ensure the rest of the rights remain recognized. The peaceful bearing of arms as an act of public education and demonstration is his right, and I for one am happy to see him exercise it.



Meh.

The guy who owns the laundromat I go to carries a gun openly in a holster on his hip, and I'm happy he does it. He's got a cash-based business. Sometimes sketchy people wander in from the street. It's a safer, better behaved place with him doing that.

But when I see a gaggle of white dudes open-carrying around a shopping district in some place like Waukesha County I immediately think 'look at me, I'm an attention whore'.

Like a flag decal I don't think simply carrying a gun around is going to get you into heaven anymore.
 
2013-08-21 09:08:10 AM  
When you add wacko fundi to gun crazy, you get a person who's blood lust can't be satisfied, no matter how many dead bodies are laying in the street.
 
2013-08-21 09:13:35 AM  
What this guy's doing is in Crytonomicon.

Okay, got that out of my system.  There are problems with this kind of protest.  Since the man isn't using actual words, it's impossible to know what he means by doing this.  Maybe he's just pointing out the inconsistency in the law by doing something ridiculous.  Or maybe he's a gun nut.  Or maybe he's a gun control nut.  No way to know unless he actually says something.

On the other hand, these days when you use actual words, there's a good chance you'll be shouted down by morons on some goofy *COUGH* web site or something.
 
2013-08-21 09:17:36 AM  
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that a public display of a deadly weapon will likely turn off people who aren't already on your side.  In fact, I think most people who aren't in favour of open carry for handguns would react by saying perhaps open carry of semi automatic rifles isn't the best idea either.
 
2013-08-21 09:18:22 AM  
These nutbars are going to get your pwecious gunz taken away, Real Americans(TM). Step on them now or bear the consequences. I won't be sorry when it happens and I'm going to point and laugh.

At least this retard managed to carry his fake military toy without accidentally pointing it at anyone. Small victories  in Derptoria will have to do,  I guess
 
2013-08-21 09:18:48 AM  

abrannan: Fixed constitution?  The Constitution is not fixed.  There's a whole section of it devoted to the ways in which it can be changed, either via direct modification (Amendments), execution (Executive Branch enforcement, or lack thereof), or interpretation (Supreme Court rulings).  The Constitution is not, and should never be, a fixed document.  This is why I laugh at the second amendment folks who only refer to the original text of the second amendment and ignore the piles and piles of surrounding legal doctrine that is just as constitutionally valid.

And before you get into the whole Leftist/Liberal/pollywog name calling.  Yes, I self-identify as a liberal.  I am pro second amendment.  in fact, I personally believe that schools should be teaching a comprehensive gun safety program that includes the students firing a gun of some kind.  Abstinence-only education doesn't work for sex-ed, and it doesn't work for gun-ed either.


You know, when a society's relationship with firearms becomes so obsessive and dysfunctional that it feels it needs to arm and train its children in public schools . . . maybe it's time to apply that amendment process to the second amendment.
 
2013-08-21 09:21:35 AM  

abrannan: Fixed constitution?  The Constitution is not fixed.


I simply meant a rule of law that doesn't change with emotional state or what you "think" it should be, and the enumerated inalienable rights that transcend any government.
 
2013-08-21 09:22:46 AM  

The Name: You know, when a society's relationship with firearms becomes so obsessive and dysfunctional that it feels it needs to arm and train its children in public schools . . . maybe it's time to apply that amendment process to the second amendment.


Good luck with that.  There are far too many individuals in the US who seem to think that being able to own a gun will protect them from government tyranny or something.
 
2013-08-21 09:23:06 AM  

USP .45: enumerated inalienable rights that transcend any government.


how so?
 
2013-08-21 09:24:47 AM  

Mercutio74: The Name: You know, when a society's relationship with firearms becomes so obsessive and dysfunctional that it feels it needs to arm and train its children in public schools . . . maybe it's time to apply that amendment process to the second amendment.

Good luck with that.  There are far too many individuals in the US who seem to think that being able to own a gun will protect them from government tyranny or something.


Yeah, I know I'm beating my head against a wall.
 
2013-08-21 09:27:00 AM  

The Name: Mercutio74: The Name: You know, when a society's relationship with firearms becomes so obsessive and dysfunctional that it feels it needs to arm and train its children in public schools . . . maybe it's time to apply that amendment process to the second amendment.

Good luck with that.  There are far too many individuals in the US who seem to think that being able to own a gun will protect them from government tyranny or something.

Yeah, I know I'm beating my head against a wall.


Well that would certainly explain your thought process.
 
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