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(Fox News)   Officials at Denver University decide to retire their mascot--which is not Daniel Boone and doesn't look like Daniel Boone--so as not to offend people who think it is Daniel Boone. FARK: There are people offended by Daniel Boone   (foxnews.com) divider line 173
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2013-08-20 09:37:09 PM
What does Daniel Boone have to do with the history of Colorado? Why does a coonskin hat automatically signal Daniel Boone?

/yeah, yeah, blame Disney.
 
2013-08-20 10:02:02 PM
Gads, people need to Get A GRIP.
 
2013-08-20 10:02:46 PM
How is this offensive? I think the Womyn's Studies Department got its hemp panties in a bunch.
 
2013-08-20 10:45:41 PM
Daniel Boone was a goon. He was an asshole.
 
2013-08-20 11:41:20 PM
I heard in my Intro to Social Issues class that Daniel Boone once raped a black woman and ate the baby.
 
2013-08-20 11:47:47 PM
And don't they dare use one of the Native American tribes with a historical connection to the area as a mascot, or people will really call for their heads.

People need to stop being so proactively offended.
 
2013-08-20 11:48:20 PM

Highroller48: Daniel Boone was a goon. He was an asshole.


What'd he do that made him an asshole?

/not being defensive, actually curious and I'd like to get your take rather than what Wikipedia or other sources might say
 
2013-08-21 12:03:56 AM

timujin: Highroller48: Daniel Boone was a goon. He was an asshole.

What'd he do that made him an asshole?

/not being defensive, actually curious and I'd like to get your take rather than what Wikipedia or other sources might say


That's it. Next time I go with my gut and risk being mocked for the "/obscure" slashy.
 
2013-08-21 12:10:00 AM
Daniel Boone was a man. He was a BIIIIIIG man.
 
2013-08-21 12:14:46 AM

Highroller48: timujin: Highroller48: Daniel Boone was a goon. He was an asshole.

What'd he do that made him an asshole?

/not being defensive, actually curious and I'd like to get your take rather than what Wikipedia or other sources might say

That's it. Next time I go with my gut and risk being mocked for the "/obscure" slashy.


Whoops, sorry, never heard the song.  Never even heard of Maclean & Maclean, actually...
 
2013-08-21 12:24:07 AM

KarmicDisaster: Daniel Boone was a man. He was a BIIIIIIG man.


+5 internets for not being from Canada and still knowing that song.
 
2013-08-21 12:33:41 AM
What's amazing to me is that Fox News has so little actual news to worry about that they are reduced to trying to gin up poutrage that some unknown small college changed its mascot 15 years ago.

Nice work, GOP-TV, I'm sure Reagan would be proud.
 
2013-08-21 01:07:08 AM
As someone who is considering going there for school next year, I say thank FSM because that mascot is UGLY.
 
2013-08-21 01:07:28 AM

timujin: Highroller48: Daniel Boone was a goon. He was an asshole.

What'd he do that made him an asshole?

/not being defensive, actually curious and I'd like to get your take rather than what Wikipedia or other sources might say


He wore a hat made of the skin of slaves, for one.
 
2013-08-21 01:09:58 AM

KarmicDisaster: Daniel Boone was a man. He was a BIIIIIIG man.


But the bear was bigger so he ran like an attractive and successful african-american up a tree
 
2013-08-21 01:10:27 AM

FloydA: What's amazing to me is that Fox News has so little actual news to worry about that they are reduced to trying to gin up poutrage that some unknown small college changed its mascot 15 years ago.

Nice work, GOP-TV, I'm sure Reagan would be proud.



Au contraire, mon frere, that small college is well-known throughout both the 303 and 719 area codes
 
2013-08-21 01:11:19 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: timujin: Highroller48: Daniel Boone was a goon. He was an asshole.

What'd he do that made him an asshole?

/not being defensive, actually curious and I'd like to get your take rather than what Wikipedia or other sources might say

He wore a hat made of the skin of slaves, for one.


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2013-08-21 01:11:58 AM

FloydA: What's amazing to me is that Fox News has so little actual news to worry about that they are reduced to trying to gin up poutrage that some unknown small college changed its mascot 15 years ago.

Nice work, GOP-TV, I'm sure Reagan would be proud.


UD is far from some small unknown college.  And the reason why it is news now is because of the new decision to introduce a new mascot despite the student body wanting this character back.
 
2013-08-21 01:12:31 AM

FloydA: What's amazing to me is that Fox News has so little actual news to worry about that they are reduced to trying to gin up poutrage that some unknown small college changed its mascot 15 years ago.

Nice work, GOP-TV, I'm sure Reagan would be proud.


This. I pretty much assume its a non-issue as soon as I see that Fox News banner on a story.
 
2013-08-21 01:15:15 AM
Used to go to a school with a mascot of "The Trappers"  Our request for "Got Pelt"  T-Shirts was swiftly and firmly denied.

That is all.
 
2013-08-21 01:15:53 AM
He died at 85 of natural causes, which is pretty amazing when you think about it.
 
2013-08-21 01:15:56 AM

FloydA: What's amazing to me is that Fox News has so little actual news to worry about that they are reduced to trying to gin up poutrage that some unknown small college changed its mascot 15 years ago.

Nice work, GOP-TV, I'm sure Reagan would be proud.


Actually, Fox Noise has a good reason to be interested in it. The 1st Presidential Debate was held there last year. That was the last time their man Mitt had any remote chance of winning.
 
2013-08-21 01:16:06 AM
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2013-08-21 01:17:47 AM
As someone who had to listen to chuckle head DU alums make hay over my alma maters nickname issues I say "suck it DU. Suck it long and hard."

And then you fired your only hockey coach in 30 years that could field a consistently winning team.

Hahahaha!
 
2013-08-21 01:17:54 AM
I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.
 
2013-08-21 01:19:57 AM

JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.


The myth of the noble savage is alive and well in academia.
 
2013-08-21 01:20:14 AM
Daniel Boone was a great big jerk, yes, a stupid jerk!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32sZNtTDWrQ
 
2013-08-21 01:21:42 AM

FloydA: What's amazing to me is that Fox News has so little actual news to worry about that they are reduced to trying to gin up poutrage that some unknown small college changed its mascot 15 years ago.

Nice work, GOP-TV, I'm sure Reagan would be proud.


I dunno.  Ronald Regan was an extremely petty dude.
 
2013-08-21 01:22:38 AM
As a white man of American woodsman hillpeople descent, I am offended they retired this great mascot.

OFFENDED.  Now cater to me to make me feel less offended.  give me stuff.  I dont get to be offended very often.
 
2013-08-21 01:23:14 AM
Best not to exclude anyone. Or offend anyone. Even theoretical anyones.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-21 01:27:00 AM

JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.


CULTURALLY unsophisticated? Ummm, no.

They were out-gunned, yes. They were susceptible to being victimized by a capitalism they had never encountered, and they were totally unprepared for the effect that europeanization of the territory would have on their way of life.

Culturally, however, they may have been very different but certainly they were no less sophisticated. Indeed, if one judges a culture by its social conscience, harmony with its living environment and equality of living standards across its demographics, they were way ahead of any of the Euro-Trash that paddled across the Pond to settle the "new" world.
 
2013-08-21 01:27:19 AM

JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.


Moors, Romans, Ottomans, Crusaders, Egyptians, Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Conquistadors... the list goes on and on. It's only very, very recently in relative history where this hasn't been a fact of life. The end of WWII is pretty much when that stopped. Blame the atomic bomb for that, otherwise it would still be going on (and even then it still does at a much smaller scale and is usually beaten back).
 
2013-08-21 01:27:57 AM

JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.


95% of the native Americans who died never saw a white man, disease spread far faster than settlers.  The first white men found huge empty cities in the Mississippi region.  Even if Europeans had come with the best intentions, most of the natives were doomed.
 
2013-08-21 01:30:08 AM
How about the Denver University Hermaphrodites.  Have them mixed race and that way we won't offend *cough* anyone.
 
2013-08-21 01:32:13 AM
"University officials also claim that Boone was not up for consideration because of a consensus by the student body that it wanted an entirely new mascot - despite numerous Facebook postings to the contrary."

Numerous Facebook postings? Well, that's a refudiation right there....
 
2013-08-21 01:35:41 AM
Gather 'round kids, It's CSB time ...

In high school I worked at a Carl's Jr. as an assistant manager. We kept getting an application for "Daniel Boone" that we kept tossing it along with the other joke applications we got on a regular basis. Well one day, this kid and his mom come in furious demanding to know why we never contact her son. (It was a different time.) Turns out, the kid's name really was "Daniel Boone" and was in fact a distant ancestor of the famous explorer.

And they all lived happily ever after, THE END.

Now, its time for grandpa's sponge bath.
 
2013-08-21 01:36:36 AM
Daniel Boone was a great big guy,
Yes, a really big guy!
He knocks down trees and frightens off bees
So they'll cry--
 
2013-08-21 01:36:46 AM
"Later, his image and legend fell victim to revisionist ACTUAL history as he became associated with the forceful displacement of Native Americans from their land."

fark you fox news.
 
2013-08-21 01:37:00 AM

JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.


Genocide is painless.  It brings on many changes.  And I can take or leave it if I please.
 
2013-08-21 01:38:21 AM
Daniel Boone was anti-slavery, and did a lot to convince the politicians of his day to treat the Indians fairly (or what passed for fairly back then). Also, his sister was my something-great grandmother. (Legit, my grandmother spent her 20 year retirement doing a genealogy at a level of detail that would give ancestry.com the shiats. I don't know how many greats because I can't be arsed to go downstairs and look it up.) I don't think he wore a coon-skin cap. I thought that was Crocket, that asshole.
 
2013-08-21 01:38:53 AM
Pat Boone, sure, but Daniel?
 
2013-08-21 01:39:00 AM

Prophet of Loss: In high school I worked at a Carl's Jr. as an assistant manager. We kept getting an application for "Daniel Boone" that we kept tossing it along with the other joke applications we got on a regular basis. Well one day, this kid and his mom come in furious demanding to know why we never contact her son. (It was a different time.) Turns out, the kid's name really was "Daniel Boone" and was in fact a distant ancestor of the famous explorer.


Well? Did he get the interview?

DID HE GET THE FARKING INTERVIEW?

DID HE?


You can't leave us hanging like that Cool Story Bro guy

/Bro's don't do that...
 
2013-08-21 01:39:32 AM

Shostie: I heard in my Intro to Social Issues class that Daniel Boone once raped a black woman and ate the baby.


Nine months is a long time to wait for a meal.  Especially after you've worked up your appetite with a good rapin'.
 
2013-08-21 01:42:09 AM
FTFA:  "Boone was a polarizing figure that did not reflect the growing diversity of the UD community, but rather was an image that many women, persons of color, international students and faculty members found difficult to relate to as defining the pioneering spirit," Chancellor Robert Coombe said in a March letter to the school community.

After reading that drivel, I think their new mascot should be a joint.  At the games, just have some guy dressed up in a giant, rubber joint costume.  It could even glow and emit smoke at the top, which would be perfect.

Nothing 'defines Colorado's pioneering spirit' any better than that.
 
2013-08-21 01:44:41 AM

fusillade762: Nine months is a long time to wait for a meal. Especially after you've worked up your appetite with a good rapin'.


He ate barr''s in the meantime. Mean old grizzly ones, that he killed with his bare hands. He was the Chuck Norris of his time. Do you know what happens when you fark with Chuck Norris? No? Well, nobody else knows either because nobody lives to tell the tale. It was the same with Daniel Boone.

/spits into spittoon
 
2013-08-21 01:45:54 AM
FloydA must not be a college hockey fan. DU is a premier hockey school.
 
2013-08-21 01:46:54 AM

timujin: Highroller48: Daniel Boone was a goon. He was an asshole.

What'd he do that made him an asshole?

/not being defensive, actually curious and I'd like to get your take rather than what Wikipedia or other sources might say


He destroyed test so the redditors are all butthurt.
 
2013-08-21 01:48:20 AM
 
2013-08-21 02:06:25 AM
What I find offensive is that the head of the school used the term "persons of color" in the story.
 
2013-08-21 02:09:08 AM

FloydA: What's amazing to me is that Fox News has so little actual news to worry about that they are reduced to trying to gin up poutrage that some unknown small college changed its mascot 15 years ago.

Nice work, GOP-TV, I'm sure Reagan would be proud.


Unknown small college? Lol
Perhaps you're just ignorant?
 
2013-08-21 02:10:23 AM

Prophet of Loss: Turns out, the kid's name really was "Daniel Boone" and was in fact a distant ancestor of the famous explorer.


What I want to hear about is the kid's ability to time travel.

/unless, of course, you meant the kid was in fact a distant descendant of the famous explorer....
 
2013-08-21 02:13:06 AM

Cockpuncher to the Stars: Daniel Boone was anti-slavery, and did a lot to convince the politicians of his day to treat the Indians fairly (or what passed for fairly back then). Also, his sister was my something-great grandmother. (Legit, my grandmother spent her 20 year retirement doing a genealogy at a level of detail that would give ancestry.com the shiats. I don't know how many greats because I can't be arsed to go downstairs and look it up.) I don't think he wore a coon-skin cap. I thought that was Crocket, that asshole.



My wife is actually in the same boat you are. My family is always tracing lines via genealogy and my wife's mother actually has documentation stating they are related to Daniel Boone directly via one of his daughters. I would have to call my mother in law to find out how many times out they are but its very interesting to hear stories like this.

I don't find the mascot very offensive and people really need to relax and go on with life and enjoy the things that are truly important.
 
2013-08-21 02:32:40 AM
what a bunch of PC pussies.  I imagine the soccer team is offended so that's the real back story.
 
2013-08-21 02:33:00 AM
Highroller48:


Culturally, however, they may have been very different but certainly they were no less sophisticated. Indeed, if one judges a culture by its social conscience, harmony with its living environment and equality of living standards across its demographics, they were way ahead of any of the Euro-Trash that paddled across the Pond to settle the "new" world.

It's amazing what a homogenous group of individuals can accomplish.
 
2013-08-21 02:35:11 AM
daniel boones major crime is being a successful and famous white man in history. It makes the do nothing feminist/persons of color feel inferior and we cant have that.
 
2013-08-21 02:40:40 AM

Wodan11: Prophet of Loss: Turns out, the kid's name really was "Daniel Boone" and was in fact a distant ancestor of the famous explorer.

What I want to hear about is the kid's ability to time travel.

/unless, of course, you meant the kid was in fact a distant descendant of the famous explorer....


Some past nastification may have occurred.
 
2013-08-21 02:41:19 AM
what if i am offended by people that are offended by daniel boone? can i ban them too?
 
2013-08-21 02:46:00 AM
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Offended that Daniel was always after a piece of tail from his people.
 
2013-08-21 02:49:08 AM

Cockpuncher to the Stars: I don't think he wore a coon-skin cap. I thought that was Crocket, that asshole.


You are correct, sir. Everyone knows Daniel Boone wore a Boone-skin cap.

/"skin cap" was the common nomenclature of the time for "condom". A "Boone-skin cap" was a special prophylactic invented by Boone himself, which he made from stretched bear skin. Nothing closer to bare skin than bear skin, as he liked to say.

//and indeed, he had to kill many bears to make his skin caps, for Daniel Boone was a man. He was a BIIIIIIIG man...
 
2013-08-21 03:09:41 AM
"Mythology and Fess Parker aside, it is well documented that Daniel Boone never wore a coonskin cap. Neither did he wear a beard. Moreover, any exploits by him west of Missouri are speculative at best."

According to the easily accessed Wiki, it's because......

Boone was portrayed this way because Fess Parker, the tall actor who played Boone, was essentially reprising his role as Davy Crockett from an earlier TV series. That Boone could be portrayed the same way as Crockett, another American frontiersman with a very different persona, was another example of how Boone's image could be reshaped to suit popular tastes.

Or to put it another way, it's an example of how lazy TV producers and actors are. "Hey Fess, we need you to play another frontiersman, Daniel Boone." "Boone? Is he like Davy Crockett?" "Oh, yeah, just whip out the buckskin suit, coonskin cap, the kids'll never know the difference!" disregarding the fact that they were separated by about 70 years and 1500 miles, among other things.
 
2013-08-21 03:10:37 AM

atomicmask: daniel boones major crime is being a successful and famous white man in history. It makes the do nothing feminist/persons of color feel inferior and we cant have that.

 
2013-08-21 03:15:15 AM

EdgeRunner: //and indeed, he had to kill many bears to make his skin caps, for Daniel Boone was a man. He was a BIIIIIIIG man...


I think gay porn or gay horror film? YOU BE THE JUDGE
 
2013-08-21 03:16:22 AM

Highroller48: KarmicDisaster: Daniel Boone was a man. He was a BIIIIIIG man.

+5 internets for not being from Canada and still knowing that song.


-5 They're running that show on MeTV in the states every bloody day right now.
 
2013-08-21 03:36:01 AM

KarmicDisaster: Daniel Boone was a man. He was a BIIIIIIG man.


And now that song is stuck in my head. Thanks a lot.
 
2013-08-21 03:36:11 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: "Later, his image and legend fell victim to revisionist ACTUAL history as he became associated with the forceful displacement of Native Americans from their land."

fark you fox news.


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I guess you never saw this documentary about him.  His best friend was Indian.

Okay, so it probably wasn't very historically accurate but he was adopted into the Shawnee tribe (according to Wikipedia).   I actually read a biography about him about 40 years ago, but I remember the TV show better.

One point that is made in the show though is accurate is that not all Indians were the same.  A lot of people today seem to not understand that.

And no, I don't believe that mascot pictured was supposed to be Daniel Boone.
 
2013-08-21 03:38:15 AM

The Smails Kid: Au contraire, mon frere, that small college is well-known throughout both the 303 and 719 area codes


/had a 'nyx' account back in the day.
//get off my LAN.
 
2013-08-21 03:42:49 AM
The reason this is a story (and an ongoing one at that) is that many (not all) of the students and alumni made an effort completely independent of university support to bring back Boone as the mascot after they decided to scrap Ruckus.  The University hated it but the alums, fans and students put a lot of effort into the Boone mascot including privately fundraising for a costume and flying out the kid who was inside it to mascot camp so that we would have a mascot.  When they went to the NCAA Semifinals in lacrosse, Boone was front and center on ESPN bringing visibility to the University and a lot of free press which generated a lot of internet traffic and probably quite a few kids who ended up eventually enrolling in the university.
The issue that the pro-Boone supporters have with all of this is that as students and alumni they feel that the University constantly ignores their wishes and basically views us all as wallets that they can pull money from whenever they need it without valuing the people that made DU what it is today.  Since the Boone movement started, applications are up, enrollment is up, attendance at sporting events is up and the general visibility of the university has increased throughout both the region and nationwide.  Yet through all of this, the board of trustees and the powers that be at the University consistently ignore the pro-Boone faction yet expect that we'll pony up money whenever they feel they need or want it. 
To me, this was never about Boone but it was about a University that has basically treated its students and alumni as an afterthought at best and an inconvenience at worst.
 
2013-08-21 03:48:59 AM
Wait, which one of them dressed like a woman and tried to sneak out of the Alamo?
 
2013-08-21 03:54:11 AM

FloydA: What's amazing to me is that Fox News has so little actual news to worry about that they are reduced to trying to gin up poutrage that some unknown small college changed its mascot 15 years ago.

Nice work, GOP-TV, I'm sure Reagan would be proud.


Read this and tell me that the University of Denver is "small" and "unknown."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Denver
 
2013-08-21 04:00:13 AM

orangehat: The reason this is a story (and an ongoing one at that) is that many (not all) of the students and alumni made an effort completely independent of university support to bring back Boone as the mascot after they decided to scrap Ruckus.  The University hated it but the alums, fans and students put a lot of effort into the Boone mascot including privately fundraising for a costume and flying out the kid who was inside it to mascot camp so that we would have a mascot.  When they went to the NCAA Semifinals in lacrosse, Boone was front and center on ESPN bringing visibility to the University and a lot of free press which generated a lot of internet traffic and probably quite a few kids who ended up eventually enrolling in the university.
The issue that the pro-Boone supporters have with all of this is that as students and alumni they feel that the University constantly ignores their wishes and basically views us all as wallets that they can pull money from whenever they need it without valuing the people that made DU what it is today.  Since the Boone movement started, applications are up, enrollment is up, attendance at sporting events is up and the general visibility of the university has increased throughout both the region and nationwide.  Yet through all of this, the board of trustees and the powers that be at the University consistently ignore the pro-Boone faction yet expect that we'll pony up money whenever they feel they need or want it. 
To me, this was never about Boone but it was about a University that has basically treated its students and alumni as an afterthought at best and an inconvenience at worst.


I always thought college administration was all about holding a vote and then promptly ignoring the results of that vote.

I went to a college that built a new student union, but instead of naming the building beforehand, they named it the 'Student Activities Center' as a placeholder.  Which of course you refer to as 'The SAC' a year and a half later voting is held for a building that clearly already has a name, and we're told that 'The STU' (for student union) won the naming contest.  Come on now, knowing that the first nickname, and the option of just naming it after the old building were both on the table, do you really think I'm going to believe that 'The STU' won the vote administration????

That being said if administrations didn't rule by fiat every school would have marijuana listed as their class flower or whatever every year for about 10 years straight.
 
2013-08-21 04:01:32 AM
Kansas State University did something like this a few years ago. She was called the "Eco-cat"; short for ecosystem cat. Imagine batgirl; but purple and instead of fighting crime; she stood in favor of protecting trees and fuzzy animals.

She lasted a grand total of one game before the university decided that their decision making process had been mocked quite enough.
 
2013-08-21 04:07:01 AM

Radioactive Ass: Prophet of Loss: In high school I worked at a Carl's Jr. as an assistant manager. We kept getting an application for "Daniel Boone" that we kept tossing it along with the other joke applications we got on a regular basis. Well one day, this kid and his mom come in furious demanding to know why we never contact her son. (It was a different time.) Turns out, the kid's name really was "Daniel Boone" and was in fact a distant ancestor of the famous explorer.

Well? Did he get the interview?

DID HE GET THE FARKING INTERVIEW?

DID HE?

You can't leave us hanging like that Cool Story Bro guy

/Bro's don't do that...


We hired him. He was a bit of a dweeb, but not a bad guy. Only worked the summer then quit without notice, IRRC. Probably off to explore someplace in a red shirt, apron, and viser.

The real story was the ex-con we hired who tried to "bulldog" me (his boss) for money and then tried to play it off like he was "playing" (I was 15, he was in his early 20s) when I refused. One day cops showed up while he was working (not because of me) and led him away in cuffs. We never saw him again.

Its was a hell job, but was quite the adventure for a naive teenager. Got laid for the 1st time at the co-worker's party that summer.

Good times.
 
2013-08-21 04:14:20 AM

Highroller48: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

CULTURALLY unsophisticated? Ummm, no.

They were out-gunned, yes. They were susceptible to being victimized by a capitalism they had never encountered, and they were totally unprepared for the effect that europeanization of the territory would have on their way of life.

Culturally, however, they may have been very different but certainly they were no less sophisticated. Indeed, if one judges a culture by its social conscience, harmony with its living environment and equality of living standards across its demographics, they were way ahead of any of the Euro-Trash that paddled across the Pond to settle the "new" world.


Never encountering profit motive is a huge myth, my friend.   You also might want to do some research on equality across demographics.  They tended to kill people from other tribal demographics
 
2013-08-21 04:37:37 AM
pioneers eh, how about jonas salk?
 
2013-08-21 04:44:07 AM
JSam21: What I find offensive is that the head of the school used the term "persons of color" in the story.

Reading up on Denver University, it becomes obvious that their chancellor, Robert Coombe, is the only one who is "offended" by this mascot. This sorry bastard's religion is political correctness and his apparent aim is to make all of his students suck the dick of diversity. He actually has a "diversity statement" on his Chancellor bio, and most of the news stories about him are about him protecting minorities from being insulted. Here's one from last year over reacting to a "Cowboys and Indians" themed sorority party. Link

EdNortonsTwin : How about the Denver University Hermaphrodites. Have them mixed race and that way we won't offend *cough* anyone.

Yeah, bet you this guy would go for that.
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2013-08-21 04:46:48 AM

orangehat: FloydA: What's amazing to me is that Fox News has so little actual news to worry about that they are reduced to trying to gin up poutrage that some unknown small college changed its mascot 15 years ago.

Nice work, GOP-TV, I'm sure Reagan would be proud.

Read this and tell me that the University of Denver is "small" and "unknown."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Denver


It's small and unknown.
 
2013-08-21 04:53:47 AM

Prophet of Loss: Turns out, the kid's name really was "Daniel Boone" and was in fact a distant ancestor of the famous explorer.


Wow, so this "kid" who was turning in applications was Daniel Boone's ancestor, meaning he would have been about...oh, what, about 200 years old. And his mom was still alive too. She must have been pretty wrinkly.

Anyway, I hope they go for one of the following:

Demons
Devils
Redskins
Injuns
Cortezes
Columbuses
Snail Darters
Chicken Littles
Chicken shiats
People who really aren't college material anyway
 
2013-08-21 05:06:25 AM
What about the Pedobears?
 
2013-08-21 05:16:13 AM

varmitydog: JSam21: What I find offensive is that the head of the school used the term "persons of color" in the story.

Reading up on Denver University, it becomes obvious that their chancellor, Robert Coombe, is the only one who is "offended" by this mascot. This sorry bastard's religion is political correctness and his apparent aim is to make all of his students suck the dick of diversity. He actually has a "diversity statement" on his Chancellor bio, and most of the news stories about him are about him protecting minorities from being insulted. Here's one from last year over reacting to a "Cowboys and Indians" themed sorority party. Link

EdNortonsTwin : How about the Denver University Hermaphrodites. Have them mixed race and that way we won't offend *cough* anyone.

Yeah, bet you this guy would go for that.
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You both seem to have a pretty accurate perception of him...if Coombe and the rest of the powers that be would just get out of their own way there is no limit to how successful their tenure running the University could be.  The Cowboys and Indians thing was stupid and he was right to call out the people involved but the Boone thing is a small minority of students and faculty dictating their demands to a bunch of people who actually donate to the University and actually attend events during their time as students and after they graduate.  I would bet that the donations from the pro-Boone alumni far outweigh the anti-Boone alumni even with a lot of alumni withholding donations or using that money for things specifically earmarked for things that the board of trustees have no control over.
 
2013-08-21 05:48:39 AM

SevenizGud: Prophet of Loss: Turns out, the kid's name really was "Daniel Boone" and was in fact a distant ancestor of the famous explorer.

Wow, so this "kid" who was turning in applications was Daniel Boone's ancestor, meaning he would have been about...oh, what, about 200 years old. And his mom was still alive too. She must have been pretty wrinkly.

Anyway, I hope they go for one of the following:

Demons
Devils
Redskins
Injuns
Cortezes
Columbuses
Snail Darters
Chicken Littles
Chicken shiats
People who really aren't college material anyway


Hey, I was 15 yr. old kid with way too much responsibility being yelled at by some spittle furious overbearing mama bear. I'd agree he was the 2nd coming of Jebus if it got the biatch out of my face. Besides, we needed people ASAP after a couple (literal "couple") of employees had a rather dramatic fight at work, broke up, and quit on the spot.
 
2013-08-21 05:50:05 AM
How about the "McCain Democrats" as an alternate choice?

/Only for road games.
//You know, when they're traveling. . .
 
2013-08-21 05:50:14 AM

TuteTibiImperes: And don't they dare use one of the Native American tribes with a historical connection to the area as a mascot, or people will really call for their heads.

People need to stop being so proactively offended.




Can you make money doing that? If I were to, "stop being so proactively offended," could I make money doing that? No? The fark you and good day.
 
2013-08-21 06:05:03 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

The myth of the noble savage is alive and well in academia.


One of the most pernicious lies ever foisted upon us. i say we change to this Hans Sprungfeld fellow, he seems much more honest.
 
2013-08-21 06:06:05 AM

fusillade762: Shostie: I heard in my Intro to Social Issues class that Daniel Boone once raped a black woman and ate the baby.

Nine months is a long time to wait for a meal.  Especially after you've worked up your appetite with a good rapin'.


oh he only waited a few months and invented Mung.
 
2013-08-21 06:19:38 AM
Danie Boone was a man.... he was a biiiiiiiiiig man....

(And Mrs. Boone was glad!)
 
2013-08-21 06:29:08 AM
Daniel Boone was a man,
Yes, a big man!
With an eye like an eagle
And as tall as a mountain was he!

Daniel Boone was a man,
Yes, a big man!
He was brave, he was fearless
And as tough as a mighty oak tree!

From the coonskin cap on the top of ol' Dan
To the heel of his rawhide shoe;
The rippin'est, roarin'est, fightin'est man
The frontier ever knew!

Daniel Boone was a man,
Yes, a big man!
And he fought for America
To make all Americans free!

What a Boone! What a doer!
What a dream come-er-true-er was he!

Daniel Boone was a man!
Yes, a big man!
With a whoop and a holler
he c'd mow down a forest of trees!

Daniel Boone was a man!
Yes, a big man!
If he frowned at a river
In July all the water would freeze!

But a peaceable, pioneer fella was Dan
When he smiled all the ice would thaw!
The singin'est, laughin'est, happiest man
The frontier ever saw!

Daniel Boone was a man!
Yes, a big man!
With a dream of a country that'd
Always forever be free!

What a Boone! What a do-er!
What a dream-come-er-true-er was he!
 
2013-08-21 06:34:06 AM

Fano: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

The myth of the noble savage is alive and well in academia.

One of the most pernicious lies ever foisted upon us. i say we change to this Hans Sprungfeld fellow, he seems much more honest.


Actually, I'd go with American Exceptionalism as the biggest lie ever told, and still being told and believed today.  Yes sir.  We licked those hoidy toidy British, backwards natives and evil Nazis because we're just so gosh darn freakin' awesome.
 
2013-08-21 06:41:17 AM
Ah yes, good ol' Rocky Top Boone, killed him a bar when he was only three.
/Opened up the General Custard Shoppe right there in Boonesfarm.
 
2013-08-21 06:41:58 AM

JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.


Of course, by the time he crossed Cumberland Gap, most of the natives from there to the Mississippi were dead from smallpox and measles.

White Man is evil.
 
2013-08-21 06:42:21 AM
What's the going interest rate for a student loan?  Someone ought to take the 2013 cost associated with changing mascots, calc it out 10, or 25, or whatever years at 6.5%.

Your tuition dollars are hard at work, kids.
 
2013-08-21 06:42:51 AM
i think it's offensive these people can't conceive of a nonwhite person seeing an image of a white person and just seeing a person.
 
2013-08-21 06:43:50 AM

Persnickety: Fano: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

The myth of the noble savage is alive and well in academia.

One of the most pernicious lies ever foisted upon us. i say we change to this Hans Sprungfeld fellow, he seems much more honest.

Actually, I'd go with American Exceptionalism as the biggest lie ever told, and still being told and believed today.  Yes sir.  We licked those hoidy toidy British, backwards natives and evil Nazis because we're just so gosh darn freakin' awesome.


Yes, but The Noble Savage infested all of western CIv with the notion that impoverished natives the world over are wise and better morally than anything else.

Let's ask the nice people of easter island how in tune with the environment they were.
 
2013-08-21 06:44:58 AM
Not all coonskin-cap wearers are Daniel Boone

"A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man."

/A perfectly cromulant word.
 
2013-08-21 06:45:01 AM

Shostie: I heard in my Intro to Social Issues class that Daniel Boone once raped a black woman and ate the baby.


back in 1890?
 
2013-08-21 06:47:29 AM
As a member of the USS Daniel Boone (SSBN-629) Decommissioning Crew, I say screw you, University of Denver.
 
2013-08-21 06:56:14 AM
He's my great great great uncle ...or somethong like that .
 
2013-08-21 06:57:35 AM
The coonskin cap is a hollywood myth. It was originally devised as a dare by producers having a piss with the persuasive power of television. That's why Boone was never seen photographed in that comical headdress.
the-waltons-home-page.com
 
2013-08-21 06:58:34 AM

RY28: He's my great great great uncle ...or somethong like that .


Howdy, Cousin!
 
2013-08-21 06:59:43 AM
Asking questions...... "Revisionist history".....wild speculation.....ridiculous story used to rile up the unwashed, uneducated masses.
/Good ole Fox News
//how we love thee
 
2013-08-21 07:12:38 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: "Later, his image and legend fell victim to revisionist ACTUAL history as he became associated with the forceful displacement of Native Americans from their land."

fark you fox news.


Yeah, I spotted that too and was about to bring it up. Not hard to tell what Fox wants DU to do.
 
2013-08-21 07:14:00 AM

Persnickety: Fano: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

The myth of the noble savage is alive and well in academia.

One of the most pernicious lies ever foisted upon us. i say we change to this Hans Sprungfeld fellow, he seems much more honest.

Actually, I'd go with American Exceptionalism as the biggest lie ever told, and still being told and believed today.  Yes sir.  We licked those hoidy toidy British, backwards natives and evil Nazis because we're just so gosh darn freakin' awesome.




Then belittle the ones that allowed it to happen. Freedom Fries, anyone?
 
2013-08-21 07:14:26 AM
Because he killed a bunch of Mexicans with his giant knife at the Alamo.
 
2013-08-21 07:15:10 AM

Feel_the_velvet: What's the going interest rate for a student loan?  Someone ought to take the 2013 cost associated with changing mascots, calc it out 10, or 25, or whatever years at 6.5%.

Your tuition dollars are hard at work, kids.


I've seen a lot of tuition crybabies, but you are definitely the cream of the crop.
 
2013-08-21 07:16:59 AM
It's NOT Daniel Boone. It's Alferd Packer! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alferd_Packer

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-08-21 07:23:46 AM

Fano: Persnickety: Fano: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

The myth of the noble savage is alive and well in academia.

One of the most pernicious lies ever foisted upon us. i say we change to this Hans Sprungfeld fellow, he seems much more honest.

Actually, I'd go with American Exceptionalism as the biggest lie ever told, and still being told and believed today.  Yes sir.  We licked those hoidy toidy British, backwards natives and evil Nazis because we're just so gosh darn freakin' awesome.

Yes, but The Noble Savage infested all of western CIv with the notion that impoverished natives the world over are wise and better morally than anything else.

Let's ask the nice people of easter island how in tune with the environment they were.




Or the Mayans, Anazazi, Mississippians
 
2013-08-21 07:28:04 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: It's NOT Daniel Boone. It's Alferd Packer! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alferd_Packer

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Unless I'm mistaken UC Boulder has a dining hall named for him.
 
2013-08-21 07:30:08 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Unless I'm mistaken UC Boulder has a dining hall named for him.


I was just reading about the guy. You're right.
 
2013-08-21 07:34:00 AM
He ate his companions and took thier money. A class act
 
2013-08-21 07:35:51 AM
Time to debut the new Denver University Whooping Crane mascot

/we're not gonna protest!
 
2013-08-21 07:49:28 AM
I heard he killed an Arab when he was only nine.

Wait, no, that's not Daniel Boone, that's Davey Stein.
 
2013-08-21 07:54:50 AM

Highroller48: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

CULTURALLY unsophisticated? Ummm, no.

They were out-gunned, yes. They were susceptible to being victimized by a capitalism they had never encountered, and they were totally unprepared for the effect that europeanization of the territory would have on their way of life.

Culturally, however, they may have been very different but certainly they were no less sophisticated. Indeed, if one judges a culture by its social conscience, harmony with its living environment and equality of living standards across its demographics, they were way ahead of any of the Euro-Trash that paddled across the Pond to settle the "new" world.


Harmony with nature? Bull$#*+! The Native Americans cut down as many trees as the Europeans. They practiced slash and burn farming. It wasn't like they were dancing around with a buch of widdle forest creatures.
 
2013-08-21 08:03:45 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Fano: Persnickety: Fano: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

The myth of the noble savage is alive and well in academia.

One of the most pernicious lies ever foisted upon us. i say we change to this Hans Sprungfeld fellow, he seems much more honest.

Actually, I'd go with American Exceptionalism as the biggest lie ever told, and still being told and believed today.  Yes sir.  We licked those hoidy toidy British, backwards natives and evil Nazis because we're just so gosh darn freakin' awesome.

Yes, but The Noble Savage infested all of western CIv with the notion that impoverished natives the world over are wise and better morally than anything else.

Let's ask the nice people of easter island how in tune with the environment they were.

Or the Mayans, Anazazi, Mississippians


I just love how your getting your talking points about academic bias towards Native Americans from forty years ago. The "Myth of the Noble Savage" as a valid historical framework died hard in the 1990s because it *was just as racist* as calling them culturally barbarous and naturally displaced by a more advanced and pious people. A more recent framework, to use broad terms for a incredible diverse collection of societies who were only loosely interconnected, has them as a people who were politically and socially quite advanced but had been held back technologically by the very abundance of the environment they had found themselves in. Which is why the more technologically advanced societies in the New World (Aztecs, Inca, Mayan) tended to cluster in the harsher environments of Central and South America. They were also victims of incredibly bad timing and unintentional (mostly) biological warfare. They also, like most humans, tended to push their local environments to population limits, kill each other, and seek advantage where possible. And in the short term, associating with the Europeans was a hell of an advantage. There was just an *incredible* disconnect in cultural and property norms between the two peoples and on the Native America side as inability to fathom just how many Europeans there actually were.

/ Even then, prior to 1650 it might have been possible to cast the English and French off of North America, and was nearly done on a couple of occasions.
// Partially because North America had yet to really start to be profitable to England, and barely so to France (compared to the Sugar Colonies)
/// There is some record that when Pocahontas' uncle was taken to England for a tour / to be shown off, that after his return he told his brother something to effect of "These are not the few hungry people looking for a small bit of land that they seem. There are endless numbers of them, if we don't drive them off now we are doomed."
 
2013-08-21 08:04:28 AM
i114.photobucket.com

Is outraged!
 
2013-08-21 08:07:04 AM

Highroller48: Daniel Boone was a goon. He was an asshole.


Dang.  Came here to post this
 
2013-08-21 08:09:46 AM
How about we make some football mascots who are actually scary. New mascot idea: Jimmy the Escaped Schizophrenic Who's Gonna Cut Ya With A Big Old Knife. Little Dhamer. Akbar the Jihadist. Flame the Pyromaniac (he'll burn you alive and wack it to your dying squeals of agony).
 
2013-08-21 08:12:47 AM

Richard C Stanford: How about we make some football mascots who are actually scary. New mascot idea: Jimmy the Escaped Schizophrenic Who's Gonna Cut Ya With A Big Old Knife. Little Dhamer. Akbar the Jihadist. Flame the Pyromaniac (he'll burn you alive and wack it to your dying squeals of agony).


The Pizzaros. The fighting Pizzaros.
 
2013-08-21 08:17:36 AM

Richard C Stanford: Highroller48: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

CULTURALLY unsophisticated? Ummm, no.

They were out-gunned, yes. They were susceptible to being victimized by a capitalism they had never encountered, and they were totally unprepared for the effect that europeanization of the territory would have on their way of life.

Culturally, however, they may have been very different but certainly they were no less sophisticated. Indeed, if one judges a culture by its social conscience, harmony with its living environment and equality of living standards across its demographics, they were way ahead of any of the Euro-Trash that paddled across the Pond to settle the "new" world.

Harmony with nature? Bull$#*+! The Native Americans cut down as many trees as the Europeans. They practiced slash and burn farming. It wasn't like they were dancing around with a buch of widdle forest creatures.


The native peoples of North America have been just as romanticized as the Europeans who migrated here.  All of the genocide, slavery, and horrible treatment of women has been swept under the rug.
 
2013-08-21 08:19:19 AM

SheltemDragon: Mid_mo_mad_man: Fano: Persnickety: Fano: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

The myth of the noble savage is alive and well in academia.

One of the most pernicious lies ever foisted upon us. i say we change to this Hans Sprungfeld fellow, he seems much more honest.

Actually, I'd go with American Exceptionalism as the biggest lie ever told, and still being told and believed today.  Yes sir.  We licked those hoidy toidy British, backwards natives and evil Nazis because we're just so gosh darn freakin' awesome.

Yes, but The Noble Savage infested all of western CIv with the notion that impoverished natives the world over are wise and better morally than anything else.

Let's ask the nice people of easter island how in tune with the environment they were.

Or the Mayans, Anazazi, Mississippians

I just love how your getting your talking points about academic bias towards Native Americans from forty years ago. The "Myth of the Noble Savage" as a valid historical framework died hard in the 1990s because it *was just as racist* as calling them culturally barbarous and naturally displaced by a more advanced and pious people. A more recent framework, to use broad terms for a incredible diverse collection of societies who were only loosely interconnected, has them as a people who were politically and socially quite advanced but had been held back technologically by the very abundance of the environment they had found themselves in. Which is why the more technologically advanced societies in the New World (Aztecs, Inca, Mayan) tended to cluster in the harsher environments of Central and South America. They were also victims of incredibly bad timing and uninte ...




One of the reasons they weren't as advance as Europeans was lack of animals/plants to easily domesticate. Horses, camels etc disappeared from the Americas same time Paleo-Indians showed up. No big domesticated animals ( besides llamas and alpacas) hamstrung thier development. Guns, Germs, and Steel explains it better then I can. It's a good read.
 
2013-08-21 08:20:43 AM
What has every one got against Davy Crockett all of a sudden?
 
2013-08-21 08:22:40 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: SheltemDragon: Mid_mo_mad_man: Fano: Persnickety: Fano: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

The myth of the noble savage is alive and well in academia.

One of the most pernicious lies ever foisted upon us. i say we change to this Hans Sprungfeld fellow, he seems much more honest.

Actually, I'd go with American Exceptionalism as the biggest lie ever told, and still being told and believed today.  Yes sir.  We licked those hoidy toidy British, backwards natives and evil Nazis because we're just so gosh darn freakin' awesome.

Yes, but The Noble Savage infested all of western CIv with the notion that impoverished natives the world over are wise and better morally than anything else.

Let's ask the nice people of easter island how in tune with the environment they were.

Or the Mayans, Anazazi, Mississippians

I just love how your getting your talking points about academic bias towards Native Americans from forty years ago. The "Myth of the Noble Savage" as a valid historical framework died hard in the 1990s because it *was just as racist* as calling them culturally barbarous and naturally displaced by a more advanced and pious people. A more recent framework, to use broad terms for a incredible diverse collection of societies who were only loosely interconnected, has them as a people who were politically and socially quite advanced but had been held back technologically by the very abundance of the environment they had found themselves in. Which is why the more technologically advanced societies in the New World (Aztecs, Inca, Mayan) tended to cluster in the harsher environments of Central and South America. They were also victims of incredibly bad ti ...


Mid_Mo_Mad_Man, you missed noticing that the natives were oppressed by their very wealth. None of this Guns, Germs, and Steel argument that points out they didn't have useful domesticated animals, or the right materials at the right time.
 
2013-08-21 08:23:16 AM

vudukungfu: What has every one got against Davy Crockett all of a sudden?


Bastard took my bike and hid out in the basement of the Alamo.
 
2013-08-21 08:27:45 AM

Fano: Mid_mo_mad_man: SheltemDragon: Mid_mo_mad_man: Fano: Persnickety: Fano: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

The myth of the noble savage is alive and well in academia.

One of the most pernicious lies ever foisted upon us. i say we change to this Hans Sprungfeld fellow, he seems much more honest.

Actually, I'd go with American Exceptionalism as the biggest lie ever told, and still being told and believed today.  Yes sir.  We licked those hoidy toidy British, backwards natives and evil Nazis because we're just so gosh darn freakin' awesome.

Yes, but The Noble Savage infested all of western CIv with the notion that impoverished natives the world over are wise and better morally than anything else.

Let's ask the nice people of easter island how in tune with the environment they were.

Or the Mayans, Anazazi, Mississippians

I just love how your getting your talking points about academic bias towards Native Americans from forty years ago. The "Myth of the Noble Savage" as a valid historical framework died hard in the 1990s because it *was just as racist* as calling them culturally barbarous and naturally displaced by a more advanced and pious people. A more recent framework, to use broad terms for a incredible diverse collection of societies who were only loosely interconnected, has them as a people who were politically and socially quite advanced but had been held back technologically by the very abundance of the environment they had found themselves in. Which is why the more technologically advanced societies in the New World (Aztecs, Inca, Mayan) tended to cluster in the harsher environments of Central and South America. They were also victims of i ...





Wtf?
 
2013-08-21 08:29:06 AM
Who could be offended by Daniel Boone?  I mean, "Beautiful Sunday" is about the least offensive song there is!
 
2013-08-21 08:30:26 AM

Richard C Stanford: Harmony with nature? Bull$#*+! The Native Americans cut down as many trees as the Europeans. They practiced slash and burn farming. It wasn't like they were dancing around with a buch of widdle forest creatures.


Not only that, but typically they were just as brutal to other humans as the Europeans.

They weren't living in some kind of natural harmony with nature, so much as they had reached a relative equilibrium.   There is some pretty good circumstantial evidence that the first Native Americans basically wiped out most of the megafauna by hunting them and/or their prey to extinction relatively quickly after they first set foot on the continent.

They were limited in how much they could exploit the environment by their technology, not their ideology.
 
2013-08-21 08:32:14 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: One of the reasons they weren't as advance as Europeans was lack of animals/plants to easily domesticate. Horses, camels etc disappeared from the Americas same time Paleo-Indians showed up. No big domesticated animals ( besides llamas and alpacas) hamstrung thier development. Guns, Germs, and Steel explains it better then I can. It's a good read.


Do you know why the horses and camels disappeared?

Because the Paleo-Indians ate them.
 
2013-08-21 08:35:18 AM

dittybopper: Richard C Stanford: Harmony with nature? Bull$#*+! The Native Americans cut down as many trees as the Europeans. They practiced slash and burn farming. It wasn't like they were dancing around with a buch of widdle forest creatures.

Not only that, but typically they were just as brutal to other humans as the Europeans.

They weren't living in some kind of natural harmony with nature, so much as they had reached a relative equilibrium.   There is some pretty good circumstantial evidence that the first Native Americans basically wiped out most of the megafauna by hunting them and/or their prey to extinction relatively quickly after they first set foot on the continent.

They were limited in how much they could exploit the environment by their technology, not their ideology.


Yep, turns out they were people, just like the rest of us. Note that in all old and busted scenarios the Noble Savage, The Awful Savage, and most synthesises of the ideas, they aren't really people but instead reflections of what Westerners want to praise or scorn. East Asians often suffer the same fate in writing.
 
2013-08-21 08:36:04 AM
They're saying 'Boooooone!'
 
2013-08-21 08:37:39 AM

dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: One of the reasons they weren't as advance as Europeans was lack of animals/plants to easily domesticate. Horses, camels etc disappeared from the Americas same time Paleo-Indians showed up. No big domesticated animals ( besides llamas and alpacas) hamstrung thier development. Guns, Germs, and Steel explains it better then I can. It's a good read.

Do you know why the horses and camels disappeared?

Because the Paleo-Indians ate them.




I thought when I said they disappeared the same time Indians showed up people would put 2 and 2 togather. I guess I should have been more clear
 
2013-08-21 08:39:39 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: Best not to exclude anyone. Or offend anyone. Even theoretical anyones.


Is that supposed to be funny? Is this just a big joke to you? Do you think its OK to laugh at bald men with crooked mustaches? What kind of monster are you? I am offended!
 
2013-08-21 08:41:41 AM

Fano: dittybopper: Richard C Stanford: Harmony with nature? Bull$#*+! The Native Americans cut down as many trees as the Europeans. They practiced slash and burn farming. It wasn't like they were dancing around with a buch of widdle forest creatures.

Not only that, but typically they were just as brutal to other humans as the Europeans.

They weren't living in some kind of natural harmony with nature, so much as they had reached a relative equilibrium.   There is some pretty good circumstantial evidence that the first Native Americans basically wiped out most of the megafauna by hunting them and/or their prey to extinction relatively quickly after they first set foot on the continent.

They were limited in how much they could exploit the environment by their technology, not their ideology.

Yep, turns out they were people, just like the rest of us. Note that in all old and busted scenarios the Noble Savage, The Awful Savage, and most synthesises of the ideas, they aren't really people but instead reflections of what Westerners want to praise or scorn. East Asians often suffer the same fate in writing.


We have always been at war with East Asia.
 
2013-08-21 08:42:49 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: One of the reasons they weren't as advance as Europeans was lack of animals/plants to easily domesticate. Horses, camels etc disappeared from the Americas same time Paleo-Indians showed up. No big domesticated animals ( besides llamas and alpacas) hamstrung thier development. Guns, Germs, and Steel explains it better then I can. It's a good read.

Do you know why the horses and camels disappeared?

Because the Paleo-Indians ate them.

I thought when I said they disappeared the same time Indians showed up people would put 2 and 2 togather. I guess I should have been more clear


This is Fark.  You could slap someone in the face with a bloody venison steak and they'd be all like "Hey, was that some kind of meat?".
 
2013-08-21 08:48:00 AM

dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: One of the reasons they weren't as advance as Europeans was lack of animals/plants to easily domesticate. Horses, camels etc disappeared from the Americas same time Paleo-Indians showed up. No big domesticated animals ( besides llamas and alpacas) hamstrung thier development. Guns, Germs, and Steel explains it better then I can. It's a good read.

Do you know why the horses and camels disappeared?

Because the Paleo-Indians ate them.

I thought when I said they disappeared the same time Indians showed up people would put 2 and 2 togather. I guess I should have been more clear

This is Fark.  You could slap someone in the face with a bloody venison steak and they'd be all like "Hey, was that some kind of meat?".




Funny my wife said something similar in the bedroom the other day
 
2013-08-21 08:49:35 AM

Ablejack: RY28: He's my great great great uncle ...or somethong like that .

Howdy, Cousin!


Yeah, that guy got around a bit. I'm related too.
 
2013-08-21 09:05:21 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: One of the reasons they weren't as advance as Europeans was lack of animals/plants to easily domesticate. Horses, camels etc disappeared from the Americas same time Paleo-Indians showed up. No big domesticated animals ( besides llamas and alpacas) hamstrung thier development. Guns, Germs, and Steel explains it better then I can. It's a good read.

Do you know why the horses and camels disappeared?

Because the Paleo-Indians ate them.

I thought when I said they disappeared the same time Indians showed up people would put 2 and 2 togather. I guess I should have been more clear

This is Fark.  You could slap someone in the face with a bloody venison steak and they'd be all like "Hey, was that some kind of meat?".

Funny my wife said something similar in the bedroom the other day


Yes, I remember.
 
2013-08-21 09:08:15 AM

Cockpuncher to the Stars: Daniel Boone was anti-slavery, and did a lot to convince the politicians of his day to treat the Indians fairly (or what passed for fairly back then). Also, his sister was my something-great grandmother. (Legit, my grandmother spent her 20 year retirement doing a genealogy at a level of detail that would give ancestry.com the shiats. I don't know how many greats because I can't be arsed to go downstairs and look it up.) I don't think he wore a coon-skin cap. I thought that was Crocket, that asshole.


Daniel Boone was a land developer who had some crooked partners, who did him out of his share of Boonesboro.  If you want to insult him, say he was a land developer and a politician.

/Used to live on land surveyed by George Washington
//and represented in the Virginia legislature by Daniel Boone.
///Kanawa Valley of WV in case you are wondering.
 
2013-08-21 09:11:08 AM

dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: One of the reasons they weren't as advance as Europeans was lack of animals/plants to easily domesticate. Horses, camels etc disappeared from the Americas same time Paleo-Indians showed up. No big domesticated animals ( besides llamas and alpacas) hamstrung thier development. Guns, Germs, and Steel explains it better then I can. It's a good read.

Do you know why the horses and camels disappeared?

Because the Paleo-Indians ate them.

I thought when I said they disappeared the same time Indians showed up people would put 2 and 2 togather. I guess I should have been more clear

This is Fark.  You could slap someone in the face with a bloody venison steak and they'd be all like "Hey, was that some kind of meat?".

Funny my wife said something similar in the bedroom the other day

Yes, I remember.




Wait are you the American Indian midget prostitute we hired off of Craigslist ?
 
2013-08-21 09:11:26 AM
Political correctness run amok.
School officials won't even tell the truth about how popular the Denver Boone mascot is with students, in fact they fear putting him on a real ballot for the students to vote on.    A fictitious caricature is being railroaded out of consideration over the probably fictitious crimes committed by another historically inaccurate yet supposed look alike.  The DU "Pioneers", seemingly can't have a mascot that would resemble a pioneer, how moronic?

The ray of hope;  this is a liberal campus overly sensitive to political correctness yet even these students have been able to see that unnecessary bullshait is making the university look very stupid.

~ Father of a recent grad.
 
2013-08-21 09:12:12 AM

SevenizGud: Prophet of Loss: Turns out, the kid's name really was "Daniel Boone" and was in fact a distant ancestor of the famous explorer.

Wow, so this "kid" who was turning in applications was Daniel Boone's ancestor, meaning he would have been about...oh, what, about 200 years old. And his mom was still alive too. She must have been pretty wrinkly.

Anyway, I hope they go for one of the following:

Demons
Devils
Redskins
Injuns
Cortezes
Columbuses
Snail Darters
Chicken Littles
Chicken shiats
People who really aren't college material anyway


You missed something: They're not retiring the Pioneers, just Denver Boone.  Which means we might get whatever that bird/shield thing was back.
 
2013-08-21 09:14:30 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Wait are you the American Indian midget prostitute we hired off of Craigslist ?


Clever disguise, no?
 
2013-08-21 09:15:21 AM

Highroller48: KarmicDisaster: Daniel Boone was a man. He was a BIIIIIIG man.

+5 internets for not being from Canada and still knowing that song.


Excuse me if this has been addressed already, but I don't understand what being from Canada has to do with the theme song to an American TV show that ran for 6 seasons.  Every kid in school knew the song.

I can remember throwing a hatchet at a small tree repeatedly in a lame attempt to split it down the middle like Fess Parker did in the opening credits.  (it never worked)

And Ed Ames had a second career as a singer, my sister had a single he cut called "My cup runeth over with love"
 
2013-08-21 09:15:54 AM

Tyee: School officials won't even tell the truth about how popular the Denver Boone mascot is with students, in fact they fear putting him on a real ballot for the students to vote on.


I suppose it could be worse.  Mascot could be Denver Pyle instead:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-08-21 09:18:16 AM
ts2.mm.bing.net

Hey Guys, what's going on in this thread?


ts3.mm.bing.net

I'm not sure.
 
2013-08-21 09:35:43 AM
Next somebody will ban the name "Broncos" and "Colts" because it's offensive to horses.
 
2013-08-21 09:38:01 AM
SamFlagg:
I went to a college that built a new student union, but instead of naming the building beforehand, they named it the 'Student Activities Center' as a placeholder.  Which of course you refer to as 'The SAC' a year and a half later voting is held for a building that clearly already has a name, and we're told that 'The STU' (for student union) won the naming contest.  Come on now, knowing that the first nickname, and the option of just naming it after the old building were both on the table, do you really think I'm going to believe that 'The STU' won the vote administration????

Grove City College? That's certainly much more obscure than DU, at least here in Texas. Half my high school friends thought I was going to an all-guys school, and the other half thought I was going to a weird community college in PA.
 
2013-08-21 09:39:17 AM

ristst: I can remember throwing a hatchet at a small tree repeatedly in a lame attempt to split it down the middle like Fess Parker did in the opening credits. (it never worked)


"WELCOME TO FRONTIER BRIS!"
 
2013-08-21 09:41:34 AM
:reads through the lines:

Mascot is offensive because he is too white.
 
2013-08-21 10:01:28 AM
Denver University, right? Make a mascot that looks like Bob Denver.
 
2013-08-21 10:08:46 AM
The thing is, DU is an oasis of Boulder in the middle of Denver. With better hockey.  Neither program has a football team . . .  so there's that.

But seriously, the University of Denver used to align itself more with Denver politics -- middle of the road liberal.  But now, I swear, they just want to be CU.  Even the area around the campus has grown more "elite."  Lots of expensive housing, trendy eateries and so forth.

/lived in Denver for 23 years.
 
2013-08-21 10:10:02 AM

FloydA: What's amazing to me is that Fox News has so little actual news to worry about that they are reduced to trying to gin up poutrage that some unknown small college changed its mascot 15 years ago.

Nice work, GOP-TV, I'm sure Reagan would be proud.


Don't outrage over our outrage! That's an outrage!
 
2013-08-21 10:15:14 AM
Guns, Germs, and Steel, is a really good read. I thought maybe I had it on my book shelf. And yes, they were likely held back more by the lack of large domesticated livestock then anything else (although I don't find the hand waving about the buffalo being all that compelling. They are / were capable of being domesticated and could have been bred to be more useful as a draft animal.) However, my argument of abundance as a negative rests on the theory that much of the "Old World" technology was originally driven by the ever pressing need to innovate agricultural techniques to feed larger and larger populations on weary land. Or fight over new land that was slightly less weary. And there is some evidence of this happening in the new world as well. Prior to its collapse some time in the very early 1400s, the Missouri mound building culture had innovated heavily in the agricultural realm and the Illinois Cahokia people, another agrarian people, had begun producing copper tools. (This is even ignoring extensive copper and gold metallurgy in South and Central America ~800 CE). Sadly, both the Cahokia and the Missouri civilizations were likely done in by both land weariness and the sanitation issues of supporting large civilizations, and the technology largely abandoned by their former trading partners. One possible explanation for this is that it simply wasn't necessary. By marrying short term habitation patterns, mixed field agriculture (the three sisters of corn, beans, and squash), and fire based forest / game management, Native American groups were able to produce agricultural outcomes that were more then sufficient for themselves, and in general nutritionally better then the Europeans (as evidenced by the general early observations that Indian groups were taller and more 'robust' then Europeans of the time). Thus, they lacked a heavy impetus to develop advanced metal extraction and working techniques which could be re-purposed to war technologies.

I'm not saying that abundance was the only, or even primary, factor in holding back Native American technological innovation or resistance to colonization. Germs are a much more likely candidate for primacy. I seem to have lost the reference, but there is some evidence that even before the Spanish/ Portuguese arrived with European diseases that the America's had just been through a disease pandemic that had cut population numbers by about 10%. It's one of the supports keeping the questionable Chinese fleet first contact theory alive, after the maps have been thoroughly debunked. And then the Spanish show up with syphilis, small pox, and any number of diseases Europe and kill off anywhere from 40-90% of the remaining population, depending on who you ask, over the next 100 years or so. All this *before* the English and French make any serious colonization efforts.

/ I really thought I had a copy of Guns, Germs, and Steel. I was planning to use a excerpt from it for my American History 1 classes.
 
2013-08-21 10:24:32 AM
Why pick Boone when they could have been the Blutos?
 
2013-08-21 10:29:55 AM

ristst: Highroller48: KarmicDisaster: Daniel Boone was a man. He was a BIIIIIIG man.

+5 internets for not being from Canada and still knowing that song.

Excuse me if this has been addressed already, but I don't understand what being from Canada has to do with the theme song to an American TV show that ran for 6 seasons.  Every kid in school knew the song.

I can remember throwing a hatchet at a small tree repeatedly in a lame attempt to split it down the middle like Fess Parker did in the opening credits.  (it never worked)

And Ed Ames had a second career as a singer, my sister had a single he cut called "My cup runeth over with love"


There's a Canadian comedy duo from the 70's and 80's called McLean and McLean who had a similar song.  MIstakenly thought you were referencing that.  Totally missed the TV show reference.
 
2013-08-21 10:35:55 AM
I'm liberal on a number of issues (conservative on others)
and this stupid PC crap is why I'll NEVER identify as liberal
 
2013-08-21 10:44:27 AM

JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.


The genocide of the Native American peoples happened just soon enough before genocide became a horrible crime against humanity (instead of business-as-usual which, as you note, it had been for the rest of human history) that some of the victorious people have managed to be embarrassed about it.
 
2013-08-21 10:58:02 AM
Once again progressives have addressed an important issue  of the day, finding a school mascot  that <i>women, persons of color, international students and faculty members </i> can relate to.  We are one step closer to that utopia folks.

Obviously this is a challenge, pandering to so many different groups.

Since a majority of  most college population is female the mascot will have to be female , at least in outward appearance.  However they will have to make it clear the mascot is post op female so both women and the gender confuse can relate to it.  It will also have to be at least appear biracial to be something minorities can relate to, perhaps a dark skin coloring with Asian facial features.  It could also wear a rainbow Hijab showing solidarity with the LGBT and Islamic community.  The rest of the mascot should be wearing a mix of Arapahoe an Ute tribal dress to represent the American Indian tribes that fought each other in the Denver area (Utes mostly won that but we cannot show favorites).  A lastly the mascot should be in a wheelchair so that the differently abled community can relate to it.

Still need to figure out how to make the mascot relatable to the single welfare mom, maybe have it holding the Colorado Quest card.
 
2013-08-21 11:02:13 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: ristst: I can remember throwing a hatchet at a small tree repeatedly in a lame attempt to split it down the middle like Fess Parker did in the opening credits. (it never worked)

"WELCOME TO FRONTIER BRIS!"


You needed a bigger hatchet-or smaller tree
 
2013-08-21 11:10:35 AM

SheltemDragon: Guns, Germs, and Steel, is a really good read. I thought maybe I had it on my book shelf. And yes, they were likely held back more by the lack of large domesticated livestock then anything else (although I don't find the hand waving about the buffalo being all that compelling. They are / were capable of being domesticated and could have been bred to be more useful as a draft animal.) However, my argument of abundance as a negative rests on the theory that much of the "Old World" technology was originally driven by the ever pressing need to innovate agricultural techniques to feed larger and larger populations on weary land. Or fight over new land that was slightly less weary. And there is some evidence of this happening in the new world as well. Prior to its collapse some time in the very early 1400s, the Missouri mound building culture had innovated heavily in the agricultural realm and the Illinois Cahokia people, another agrarian people, had begun producing copper tools. (This is even ignoring extensive copper and gold metallurgy in South and Central America ~800 CE). Sadly, both the Cahokia and the Missouri civilizations were likely done in by both land weariness and the sanitation issues of supporting large civilizations, and the technology largely abandoned by their former trading partners. One possible explanation for this is that it simply wasn't necessary. By marrying short term habitation patterns, mixed field agriculture (the three sisters of corn, beans, and squash), and fire based forest / game management, Native American groups were able to produce agricultural outcomes that were more then sufficient for themselves, and in general nutritionally better then the Europeans (as evidenced by the general early observations that Indian groups were taller and more 'robust' then Europeans of the time). Thus, they lacked a heavy impetus to develop advanced metal extraction and working techniques which could be re-purposed to war technologies. I'm not saying tha ...

p>One of the big things about livestock is that a lot of maladies start in them. Rinderpest in cows is measles in people. Flu and swine are infamous partners. Without them Europeans don't build restiances to them and can't spread them to the Indians. Btw syphilis may be the one thing they gave the west.
 
2013-08-21 11:21:10 AM
Could have been worse, could have been this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrapC2a_3Xg
 
2013-08-21 11:22:20 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: One of the big things about livestock is that a lot of maladies start in them. Rinderpest in cows is measles in people. Flu and swine are infamous partners. Without them Europeans don't build restiances to them and can't spread them to the Indians. Btw syphilis may be the one thing they gave the west.


And the movie 2012.  Without the Mayan calendar no 2012 movie.
 
2013-08-21 11:54:08 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

95% of the native Americans who died never saw a white man, disease spread far faster than settlers.  The first white men found huge empty cities in the Mississippi region.  Even if Europeans had come with the best intentions, most of the natives were doomed.


Now don't go and spoil this thread with some actual facts, liberal farkers would hate that.
 
2013-08-21 12:04:46 PM

orangehat: FloydA: What's amazing to me is that Fox News has so little actual news to worry about that they are reduced to trying to gin up poutrage that some unknown small college changed its mascot 15 years ago.

Nice work, GOP-TV, I'm sure Reagan would be proud.

Read this and tell me that the University of Denver is "small" and "unknown."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Denver



University of Denver: Students 11,476

Selecting just a few schools in western states, for accuracy of comparison:

UCLA: Students 39,945
USC: Students 38,010
Berkeley: Students 35,899
U. Washington: Students 42,907
Washingon State: Students  27,008
U. of Oregon: Students 24,531
U. of New Mexico: Students 35,211
U. of Arizona: Students 39,236
Arizona State University: Students  72,254

These figures say nothing about the quality of education offered by these schools of course, but yes, University of Denver is a very small school.  I did not intend to insult the school; I'm sure it is justly famous throughout the entire South Platte River Valley.
 
2013-08-21 12:06:31 PM

atomicmask: daniel boones major crime is being a successful and famous white man in history. It makes the do nothing feminist/persons of color feel inferior and we cant have that.



Does banjo music actually play whenever you talk, or does it just seem like it should?
 
2013-08-21 12:34:29 PM

FloydA: atomicmask: daniel boones major crime is being a successful and famous white man in history. It makes the do nothing feminist/persons of color feel inferior and we cant have that.


Does banjo music actually play whenever you talk, or does it just seem like it should?


It only plays when someone is foolish enough to nibble at the bait.
 
2013-08-21 01:23:09 PM

evilmousse: i think it's offensive these people can't conceive of a nonwhite person seeing an image of a white person and just seeing a person.


Bingo! +2
 
2013-08-21 01:40:27 PM
As a person who works across the street from Daniel Boone's grave, I am offended by Missourians who claim his burial site.
 
2013-08-21 01:50:17 PM
Maybe they should be the Indians.  You know, more representative of the area and people of color etc............wait, what?
 
2013-08-21 02:22:16 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: They're saying 'Boooooone!'


Is this one of them?
s7.postimg.org
/Obscure?
 
2013-08-21 02:45:12 PM

Death Whisper: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

95% of the native Americans who died never saw a white man, disease spread far faster than settlers.  The first white men found huge empty cities in the Mississippi region.  Even if Europeans had come with the best intentions, most of the natives were doomed.

Now don't go and spoil this thread with some actual facts, liberal farkers would hate that.


The book 1491 for the win.  Even before any major European  settlements were established disease was wiping out whole populations.  The original Plymouth Rock  pilgrims' settlement was  a village Indians abandoned because of disease.   The North and South American Indians lacked the genetic diversity to develop resistance to the new diseases both human an animal borne.  It is believed the Spanish pigs spread  diseases to new world animals that found their way to the American Indians.
 
2013-08-21 03:01:49 PM

FloydA: orangehat: FloydA: What's amazing to me is that Fox News has so little actual news to worry about that they are reduced to trying to gin up poutrage that some unknown small college changed its mascot 15 years ago.

Nice work, GOP-TV, I'm sure Reagan would be proud.

Read this and tell me that the University of Denver is "small" and "unknown."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Denver


University of Denver: Students 11,476

Selecting just a few schools in western states, for accuracy of comparison:

UCLA: Students 39,945
USC: Students 38,010
Berkeley: Students 35,899
U. Washington: Students 42,907
Washingon State: Students  27,008
U. of Oregon: Students 24,531
U. of New Mexico: Students 35,211
U. of Arizona: Students 39,236
Arizona State University: Students  72,254

These figures say nothing about the quality of education offered by these schools of course, but yes, University of Denver is a very small school.   I did not intend to insult the school; I'm sure it is justly famous throughout the entire South Platte River Valley.


You didn't intend to insult the school and then you smugly insult it...good thing you don't teach English.
 
2013-08-21 04:15:14 PM

orangehat: FloydA: orangehat: FloydA: What's amazing to me is that Fox News has so little actual news to worry about that they are reduced to trying to gin up poutrage that some unknown small college changed its mascot 15 years ago.

Nice work, GOP-TV, I'm sure Reagan would be proud.

Read this and tell me that the University of Denver is "small" and "unknown."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Denver


University of Denver: Students 11,476

Selecting just a few schools in western states, for accuracy of comparison:

UCLA: Students 39,945
USC: Students 38,010
Berkeley: Students 35,899
U. Washington: Students 42,907
Washingon State: Students  27,008
U. of Oregon: Students 24,531
U. of New Mexico: Students 35,211
U. of Arizona: Students 39,236
Arizona State University: Students  72,254

These figures say nothing about the quality of education offered by these schools of course, but yes, University of Denver is a very small school.   I did not intend to insult the school; I'm sure it is justly famous throughout the entire South Platte River Valley.

You didn't intend to insult the school and then you smugly insult it...good thing you don't teach English.



Well obviously I do intend to now.  Only to get you riled up, however.
 
2013-08-21 04:31:00 PM

hasty ambush: It is believed the Spanish pigs spread  diseases to new world


Hello.  My name is Puerco El Cerdo.  You killed my father.  Prepare to die.
 
2013-08-21 05:16:16 PM

dittybopper: hasty ambush: It is believed the Spanish pigs spread  diseases to new world

Hello.  My name is Puerco El Cerdo.  You killed my father.  Prepare to die.


They certainly didn't help. There are a couple of well documented cases of the Spanish habit of seeding every island they came across with pigs (for later provisions) singlehandedly destroying aboriginal populations without a single shot being fired. Largely via ecological devastation. Even without being a disease vector, swine are basically a terror weapon if you've never seen them before.
 
2013-08-21 10:13:08 PM

SheltemDragon: swine are basically a terror weapon if you've never seen them before.


Even if you *HAVE*, they are a terror weapon.
 
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