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2013-08-21 07:14:00 AM

Persnickety: Fano: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

The myth of the noble savage is alive and well in academia.

One of the most pernicious lies ever foisted upon us. i say we change to this Hans Sprungfeld fellow, he seems much more honest.

Actually, I'd go with American Exceptionalism as the biggest lie ever told, and still being told and believed today.  Yes sir.  We licked those hoidy toidy British, backwards natives and evil Nazis because we're just so gosh darn freakin' awesome.




Then belittle the ones that allowed it to happen. Freedom Fries, anyone?
 
2013-08-21 07:14:26 AM
Because he killed a bunch of Mexicans with his giant knife at the Alamo.
 
2013-08-21 07:15:10 AM

Feel_the_velvet: What's the going interest rate for a student loan?  Someone ought to take the 2013 cost associated with changing mascots, calc it out 10, or 25, or whatever years at 6.5%.

Your tuition dollars are hard at work, kids.


I've seen a lot of tuition crybabies, but you are definitely the cream of the crop.
 
2013-08-21 07:16:59 AM
It's NOT Daniel Boone. It's Alferd Packer! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alferd_Packer

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-08-21 07:23:46 AM

Fano: Persnickety: Fano: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

The myth of the noble savage is alive and well in academia.

One of the most pernicious lies ever foisted upon us. i say we change to this Hans Sprungfeld fellow, he seems much more honest.

Actually, I'd go with American Exceptionalism as the biggest lie ever told, and still being told and believed today.  Yes sir.  We licked those hoidy toidy British, backwards natives and evil Nazis because we're just so gosh darn freakin' awesome.

Yes, but The Noble Savage infested all of western CIv with the notion that impoverished natives the world over are wise and better morally than anything else.

Let's ask the nice people of easter island how in tune with the environment they were.




Or the Mayans, Anazazi, Mississippians
 
2013-08-21 07:28:04 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: It's NOT Daniel Boone. It's Alferd Packer! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alferd_Packer

[upload.wikimedia.org image 216x226]




Unless I'm mistaken UC Boulder has a dining hall named for him.
 
2013-08-21 07:30:08 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Unless I'm mistaken UC Boulder has a dining hall named for him.


I was just reading about the guy. You're right.
 
2013-08-21 07:34:00 AM
He ate his companions and took thier money. A class act
 
2013-08-21 07:35:51 AM
Time to debut the new Denver University Whooping Crane mascot

/we're not gonna protest!
 
2013-08-21 07:49:28 AM
I heard he killed an Arab when he was only nine.

Wait, no, that's not Daniel Boone, that's Davey Stein.
 
2013-08-21 07:54:50 AM

Highroller48: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

CULTURALLY unsophisticated? Ummm, no.

They were out-gunned, yes. They were susceptible to being victimized by a capitalism they had never encountered, and they were totally unprepared for the effect that europeanization of the territory would have on their way of life.

Culturally, however, they may have been very different but certainly they were no less sophisticated. Indeed, if one judges a culture by its social conscience, harmony with its living environment and equality of living standards across its demographics, they were way ahead of any of the Euro-Trash that paddled across the Pond to settle the "new" world.


Harmony with nature? Bull$#*+! The Native Americans cut down as many trees as the Europeans. They practiced slash and burn farming. It wasn't like they were dancing around with a buch of widdle forest creatures.
 
2013-08-21 08:03:45 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Fano: Persnickety: Fano: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

The myth of the noble savage is alive and well in academia.

One of the most pernicious lies ever foisted upon us. i say we change to this Hans Sprungfeld fellow, he seems much more honest.

Actually, I'd go with American Exceptionalism as the biggest lie ever told, and still being told and believed today.  Yes sir.  We licked those hoidy toidy British, backwards natives and evil Nazis because we're just so gosh darn freakin' awesome.

Yes, but The Noble Savage infested all of western CIv with the notion that impoverished natives the world over are wise and better morally than anything else.

Let's ask the nice people of easter island how in tune with the environment they were.

Or the Mayans, Anazazi, Mississippians


I just love how your getting your talking points about academic bias towards Native Americans from forty years ago. The "Myth of the Noble Savage" as a valid historical framework died hard in the 1990s because it *was just as racist* as calling them culturally barbarous and naturally displaced by a more advanced and pious people. A more recent framework, to use broad terms for a incredible diverse collection of societies who were only loosely interconnected, has them as a people who were politically and socially quite advanced but had been held back technologically by the very abundance of the environment they had found themselves in. Which is why the more technologically advanced societies in the New World (Aztecs, Inca, Mayan) tended to cluster in the harsher environments of Central and South America. They were also victims of incredibly bad timing and unintentional (mostly) biological warfare. They also, like most humans, tended to push their local environments to population limits, kill each other, and seek advantage where possible. And in the short term, associating with the Europeans was a hell of an advantage. There was just an *incredible* disconnect in cultural and property norms between the two peoples and on the Native America side as inability to fathom just how many Europeans there actually were.

/ Even then, prior to 1650 it might have been possible to cast the English and French off of North America, and was nearly done on a couple of occasions.
// Partially because North America had yet to really start to be profitable to England, and barely so to France (compared to the Sugar Colonies)
/// There is some record that when Pocahontas' uncle was taken to England for a tour / to be shown off, that after his return he told his brother something to effect of "These are not the few hungry people looking for a small bit of land that they seem. There are endless numbers of them, if we don't drive them off now we are doomed."
 
2013-08-21 08:04:28 AM
i114.photobucket.com

Is outraged!
 
2013-08-21 08:07:04 AM

Highroller48: Daniel Boone was a goon. He was an asshole.


Dang.  Came here to post this
 
2013-08-21 08:09:46 AM
How about we make some football mascots who are actually scary. New mascot idea: Jimmy the Escaped Schizophrenic Who's Gonna Cut Ya With A Big Old Knife. Little Dhamer. Akbar the Jihadist. Flame the Pyromaniac (he'll burn you alive and wack it to your dying squeals of agony).
 
2013-08-21 08:12:47 AM

Richard C Stanford: How about we make some football mascots who are actually scary. New mascot idea: Jimmy the Escaped Schizophrenic Who's Gonna Cut Ya With A Big Old Knife. Little Dhamer. Akbar the Jihadist. Flame the Pyromaniac (he'll burn you alive and wack it to your dying squeals of agony).


The Pizzaros. The fighting Pizzaros.
 
2013-08-21 08:17:36 AM

Richard C Stanford: Highroller48: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

CULTURALLY unsophisticated? Ummm, no.

They were out-gunned, yes. They were susceptible to being victimized by a capitalism they had never encountered, and they were totally unprepared for the effect that europeanization of the territory would have on their way of life.

Culturally, however, they may have been very different but certainly they were no less sophisticated. Indeed, if one judges a culture by its social conscience, harmony with its living environment and equality of living standards across its demographics, they were way ahead of any of the Euro-Trash that paddled across the Pond to settle the "new" world.

Harmony with nature? Bull$#*+! The Native Americans cut down as many trees as the Europeans. They practiced slash and burn farming. It wasn't like they were dancing around with a buch of widdle forest creatures.


The native peoples of North America have been just as romanticized as the Europeans who migrated here.  All of the genocide, slavery, and horrible treatment of women has been swept under the rug.
 
2013-08-21 08:19:19 AM

SheltemDragon: Mid_mo_mad_man: Fano: Persnickety: Fano: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

The myth of the noble savage is alive and well in academia.

One of the most pernicious lies ever foisted upon us. i say we change to this Hans Sprungfeld fellow, he seems much more honest.

Actually, I'd go with American Exceptionalism as the biggest lie ever told, and still being told and believed today.  Yes sir.  We licked those hoidy toidy British, backwards natives and evil Nazis because we're just so gosh darn freakin' awesome.

Yes, but The Noble Savage infested all of western CIv with the notion that impoverished natives the world over are wise and better morally than anything else.

Let's ask the nice people of easter island how in tune with the environment they were.

Or the Mayans, Anazazi, Mississippians

I just love how your getting your talking points about academic bias towards Native Americans from forty years ago. The "Myth of the Noble Savage" as a valid historical framework died hard in the 1990s because it *was just as racist* as calling them culturally barbarous and naturally displaced by a more advanced and pious people. A more recent framework, to use broad terms for a incredible diverse collection of societies who were only loosely interconnected, has them as a people who were politically and socially quite advanced but had been held back technologically by the very abundance of the environment they had found themselves in. Which is why the more technologically advanced societies in the New World (Aztecs, Inca, Mayan) tended to cluster in the harsher environments of Central and South America. They were also victims of incredibly bad timing and uninte ...




One of the reasons they weren't as advance as Europeans was lack of animals/plants to easily domesticate. Horses, camels etc disappeared from the Americas same time Paleo-Indians showed up. No big domesticated animals ( besides llamas and alpacas) hamstrung thier development. Guns, Germs, and Steel explains it better then I can. It's a good read.
 
2013-08-21 08:20:43 AM
What has every one got against Davy Crockett all of a sudden?
 
2013-08-21 08:22:40 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: SheltemDragon: Mid_mo_mad_man: Fano: Persnickety: Fano: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

The myth of the noble savage is alive and well in academia.

One of the most pernicious lies ever foisted upon us. i say we change to this Hans Sprungfeld fellow, he seems much more honest.

Actually, I'd go with American Exceptionalism as the biggest lie ever told, and still being told and believed today.  Yes sir.  We licked those hoidy toidy British, backwards natives and evil Nazis because we're just so gosh darn freakin' awesome.

Yes, but The Noble Savage infested all of western CIv with the notion that impoverished natives the world over are wise and better morally than anything else.

Let's ask the nice people of easter island how in tune with the environment they were.

Or the Mayans, Anazazi, Mississippians

I just love how your getting your talking points about academic bias towards Native Americans from forty years ago. The "Myth of the Noble Savage" as a valid historical framework died hard in the 1990s because it *was just as racist* as calling them culturally barbarous and naturally displaced by a more advanced and pious people. A more recent framework, to use broad terms for a incredible diverse collection of societies who were only loosely interconnected, has them as a people who were politically and socially quite advanced but had been held back technologically by the very abundance of the environment they had found themselves in. Which is why the more technologically advanced societies in the New World (Aztecs, Inca, Mayan) tended to cluster in the harsher environments of Central and South America. They were also victims of incredibly bad ti ...


Mid_Mo_Mad_Man, you missed noticing that the natives were oppressed by their very wealth. None of this Guns, Germs, and Steel argument that points out they didn't have useful domesticated animals, or the right materials at the right time.
 
2013-08-21 08:23:16 AM

vudukungfu: What has every one got against Davy Crockett all of a sudden?


Bastard took my bike and hid out in the basement of the Alamo.
 
2013-08-21 08:27:45 AM

Fano: Mid_mo_mad_man: SheltemDragon: Mid_mo_mad_man: Fano: Persnickety: Fano: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: JesusJuice: I don't see why some people are so offended by references to US expansion just because of the Indians.  They were technologically and culturally unsophisticated and were naturally displaced by those who were not.  This has happened countless times throughout history, and nobody owes anybody an apology for it.

The myth of the noble savage is alive and well in academia.

One of the most pernicious lies ever foisted upon us. i say we change to this Hans Sprungfeld fellow, he seems much more honest.

Actually, I'd go with American Exceptionalism as the biggest lie ever told, and still being told and believed today.  Yes sir.  We licked those hoidy toidy British, backwards natives and evil Nazis because we're just so gosh darn freakin' awesome.

Yes, but The Noble Savage infested all of western CIv with the notion that impoverished natives the world over are wise and better morally than anything else.

Let's ask the nice people of easter island how in tune with the environment they were.

Or the Mayans, Anazazi, Mississippians

I just love how your getting your talking points about academic bias towards Native Americans from forty years ago. The "Myth of the Noble Savage" as a valid historical framework died hard in the 1990s because it *was just as racist* as calling them culturally barbarous and naturally displaced by a more advanced and pious people. A more recent framework, to use broad terms for a incredible diverse collection of societies who were only loosely interconnected, has them as a people who were politically and socially quite advanced but had been held back technologically by the very abundance of the environment they had found themselves in. Which is why the more technologically advanced societies in the New World (Aztecs, Inca, Mayan) tended to cluster in the harsher environments of Central and South America. They were also victims of i ...





Wtf?
 
2013-08-21 08:29:06 AM
Who could be offended by Daniel Boone?  I mean, "Beautiful Sunday" is about the least offensive song there is!
 
2013-08-21 08:30:26 AM

Richard C Stanford: Harmony with nature? Bull$#*+! The Native Americans cut down as many trees as the Europeans. They practiced slash and burn farming. It wasn't like they were dancing around with a buch of widdle forest creatures.


Not only that, but typically they were just as brutal to other humans as the Europeans.

They weren't living in some kind of natural harmony with nature, so much as they had reached a relative equilibrium.   There is some pretty good circumstantial evidence that the first Native Americans basically wiped out most of the megafauna by hunting them and/or their prey to extinction relatively quickly after they first set foot on the continent.

They were limited in how much they could exploit the environment by their technology, not their ideology.
 
2013-08-21 08:32:14 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: One of the reasons they weren't as advance as Europeans was lack of animals/plants to easily domesticate. Horses, camels etc disappeared from the Americas same time Paleo-Indians showed up. No big domesticated animals ( besides llamas and alpacas) hamstrung thier development. Guns, Germs, and Steel explains it better then I can. It's a good read.


Do you know why the horses and camels disappeared?

Because the Paleo-Indians ate them.
 
2013-08-21 08:35:18 AM

dittybopper: Richard C Stanford: Harmony with nature? Bull$#*+! The Native Americans cut down as many trees as the Europeans. They practiced slash and burn farming. It wasn't like they were dancing around with a buch of widdle forest creatures.

Not only that, but typically they were just as brutal to other humans as the Europeans.

They weren't living in some kind of natural harmony with nature, so much as they had reached a relative equilibrium.   There is some pretty good circumstantial evidence that the first Native Americans basically wiped out most of the megafauna by hunting them and/or their prey to extinction relatively quickly after they first set foot on the continent.

They were limited in how much they could exploit the environment by their technology, not their ideology.


Yep, turns out they were people, just like the rest of us. Note that in all old and busted scenarios the Noble Savage, The Awful Savage, and most synthesises of the ideas, they aren't really people but instead reflections of what Westerners want to praise or scorn. East Asians often suffer the same fate in writing.
 
2013-08-21 08:36:04 AM
They're saying 'Boooooone!'
 
2013-08-21 08:37:39 AM

dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: One of the reasons they weren't as advance as Europeans was lack of animals/plants to easily domesticate. Horses, camels etc disappeared from the Americas same time Paleo-Indians showed up. No big domesticated animals ( besides llamas and alpacas) hamstrung thier development. Guns, Germs, and Steel explains it better then I can. It's a good read.

Do you know why the horses and camels disappeared?

Because the Paleo-Indians ate them.




I thought when I said they disappeared the same time Indians showed up people would put 2 and 2 togather. I guess I should have been more clear
 
2013-08-21 08:39:39 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: Best not to exclude anyone. Or offend anyone. Even theoretical anyones.


Is that supposed to be funny? Is this just a big joke to you? Do you think its OK to laugh at bald men with crooked mustaches? What kind of monster are you? I am offended!
 
2013-08-21 08:41:41 AM

Fano: dittybopper: Richard C Stanford: Harmony with nature? Bull$#*+! The Native Americans cut down as many trees as the Europeans. They practiced slash and burn farming. It wasn't like they were dancing around with a buch of widdle forest creatures.

Not only that, but typically they were just as brutal to other humans as the Europeans.

They weren't living in some kind of natural harmony with nature, so much as they had reached a relative equilibrium.   There is some pretty good circumstantial evidence that the first Native Americans basically wiped out most of the megafauna by hunting them and/or their prey to extinction relatively quickly after they first set foot on the continent.

They were limited in how much they could exploit the environment by their technology, not their ideology.

Yep, turns out they were people, just like the rest of us. Note that in all old and busted scenarios the Noble Savage, The Awful Savage, and most synthesises of the ideas, they aren't really people but instead reflections of what Westerners want to praise or scorn. East Asians often suffer the same fate in writing.


We have always been at war with East Asia.
 
2013-08-21 08:42:49 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: One of the reasons they weren't as advance as Europeans was lack of animals/plants to easily domesticate. Horses, camels etc disappeared from the Americas same time Paleo-Indians showed up. No big domesticated animals ( besides llamas and alpacas) hamstrung thier development. Guns, Germs, and Steel explains it better then I can. It's a good read.

Do you know why the horses and camels disappeared?

Because the Paleo-Indians ate them.

I thought when I said they disappeared the same time Indians showed up people would put 2 and 2 togather. I guess I should have been more clear


This is Fark.  You could slap someone in the face with a bloody venison steak and they'd be all like "Hey, was that some kind of meat?".
 
2013-08-21 08:48:00 AM

dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: One of the reasons they weren't as advance as Europeans was lack of animals/plants to easily domesticate. Horses, camels etc disappeared from the Americas same time Paleo-Indians showed up. No big domesticated animals ( besides llamas and alpacas) hamstrung thier development. Guns, Germs, and Steel explains it better then I can. It's a good read.

Do you know why the horses and camels disappeared?

Because the Paleo-Indians ate them.

I thought when I said they disappeared the same time Indians showed up people would put 2 and 2 togather. I guess I should have been more clear

This is Fark.  You could slap someone in the face with a bloody venison steak and they'd be all like "Hey, was that some kind of meat?".




Funny my wife said something similar in the bedroom the other day
 
2013-08-21 08:49:35 AM

Ablejack: RY28: He's my great great great uncle ...or somethong like that .

Howdy, Cousin!


Yeah, that guy got around a bit. I'm related too.
 
2013-08-21 09:05:21 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: One of the reasons they weren't as advance as Europeans was lack of animals/plants to easily domesticate. Horses, camels etc disappeared from the Americas same time Paleo-Indians showed up. No big domesticated animals ( besides llamas and alpacas) hamstrung thier development. Guns, Germs, and Steel explains it better then I can. It's a good read.

Do you know why the horses and camels disappeared?

Because the Paleo-Indians ate them.

I thought when I said they disappeared the same time Indians showed up people would put 2 and 2 togather. I guess I should have been more clear

This is Fark.  You could slap someone in the face with a bloody venison steak and they'd be all like "Hey, was that some kind of meat?".

Funny my wife said something similar in the bedroom the other day


Yes, I remember.
 
2013-08-21 09:08:15 AM

Cockpuncher to the Stars: Daniel Boone was anti-slavery, and did a lot to convince the politicians of his day to treat the Indians fairly (or what passed for fairly back then). Also, his sister was my something-great grandmother. (Legit, my grandmother spent her 20 year retirement doing a genealogy at a level of detail that would give ancestry.com the shiats. I don't know how many greats because I can't be arsed to go downstairs and look it up.) I don't think he wore a coon-skin cap. I thought that was Crocket, that asshole.


Daniel Boone was a land developer who had some crooked partners, who did him out of his share of Boonesboro.  If you want to insult him, say he was a land developer and a politician.

/Used to live on land surveyed by George Washington
//and represented in the Virginia legislature by Daniel Boone.
///Kanawa Valley of WV in case you are wondering.
 
2013-08-21 09:11:08 AM

dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: dittybopper: Mid_mo_mad_man: One of the reasons they weren't as advance as Europeans was lack of animals/plants to easily domesticate. Horses, camels etc disappeared from the Americas same time Paleo-Indians showed up. No big domesticated animals ( besides llamas and alpacas) hamstrung thier development. Guns, Germs, and Steel explains it better then I can. It's a good read.

Do you know why the horses and camels disappeared?

Because the Paleo-Indians ate them.

I thought when I said they disappeared the same time Indians showed up people would put 2 and 2 togather. I guess I should have been more clear

This is Fark.  You could slap someone in the face with a bloody venison steak and they'd be all like "Hey, was that some kind of meat?".

Funny my wife said something similar in the bedroom the other day

Yes, I remember.




Wait are you the American Indian midget prostitute we hired off of Craigslist ?
 
2013-08-21 09:11:26 AM
Political correctness run amok.
School officials won't even tell the truth about how popular the Denver Boone mascot is with students, in fact they fear putting him on a real ballot for the students to vote on.    A fictitious caricature is being railroaded out of consideration over the probably fictitious crimes committed by another historically inaccurate yet supposed look alike.  The DU "Pioneers", seemingly can't have a mascot that would resemble a pioneer, how moronic?

The ray of hope;  this is a liberal campus overly sensitive to political correctness yet even these students have been able to see that unnecessary bullshait is making the university look very stupid.

~ Father of a recent grad.
 
2013-08-21 09:12:12 AM

SevenizGud: Prophet of Loss: Turns out, the kid's name really was "Daniel Boone" and was in fact a distant ancestor of the famous explorer.

Wow, so this "kid" who was turning in applications was Daniel Boone's ancestor, meaning he would have been about...oh, what, about 200 years old. And his mom was still alive too. She must have been pretty wrinkly.

Anyway, I hope they go for one of the following:

Demons
Devils
Redskins
Injuns
Cortezes
Columbuses
Snail Darters
Chicken Littles
Chicken shiats
People who really aren't college material anyway


You missed something: They're not retiring the Pioneers, just Denver Boone.  Which means we might get whatever that bird/shield thing was back.
 
2013-08-21 09:14:30 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Wait are you the American Indian midget prostitute we hired off of Craigslist ?


Clever disguise, no?
 
2013-08-21 09:15:21 AM

Highroller48: KarmicDisaster: Daniel Boone was a man. He was a BIIIIIIG man.

+5 internets for not being from Canada and still knowing that song.


Excuse me if this has been addressed already, but I don't understand what being from Canada has to do with the theme song to an American TV show that ran for 6 seasons.  Every kid in school knew the song.

I can remember throwing a hatchet at a small tree repeatedly in a lame attempt to split it down the middle like Fess Parker did in the opening credits.  (it never worked)

And Ed Ames had a second career as a singer, my sister had a single he cut called "My cup runeth over with love"
 
2013-08-21 09:15:54 AM

Tyee: School officials won't even tell the truth about how popular the Denver Boone mascot is with students, in fact they fear putting him on a real ballot for the students to vote on.


I suppose it could be worse.  Mascot could be Denver Pyle instead:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-08-21 09:18:16 AM
ts2.mm.bing.net

Hey Guys, what's going on in this thread?


ts3.mm.bing.net

I'm not sure.
 
2013-08-21 09:35:43 AM
Next somebody will ban the name "Broncos" and "Colts" because it's offensive to horses.
 
2013-08-21 09:38:01 AM
SamFlagg:
I went to a college that built a new student union, but instead of naming the building beforehand, they named it the 'Student Activities Center' as a placeholder.  Which of course you refer to as 'The SAC' a year and a half later voting is held for a building that clearly already has a name, and we're told that 'The STU' (for student union) won the naming contest.  Come on now, knowing that the first nickname, and the option of just naming it after the old building were both on the table, do you really think I'm going to believe that 'The STU' won the vote administration????

Grove City College? That's certainly much more obscure than DU, at least here in Texas. Half my high school friends thought I was going to an all-guys school, and the other half thought I was going to a weird community college in PA.
 
2013-08-21 09:39:17 AM

ristst: I can remember throwing a hatchet at a small tree repeatedly in a lame attempt to split it down the middle like Fess Parker did in the opening credits. (it never worked)


"WELCOME TO FRONTIER BRIS!"
 
2013-08-21 09:41:34 AM
:reads through the lines:

Mascot is offensive because he is too white.
 
2013-08-21 10:01:28 AM
Denver University, right? Make a mascot that looks like Bob Denver.
 
2013-08-21 10:08:46 AM
The thing is, DU is an oasis of Boulder in the middle of Denver. With better hockey.  Neither program has a football team . . .  so there's that.

But seriously, the University of Denver used to align itself more with Denver politics -- middle of the road liberal.  But now, I swear, they just want to be CU.  Even the area around the campus has grown more "elite."  Lots of expensive housing, trendy eateries and so forth.

/lived in Denver for 23 years.
 
2013-08-21 10:10:02 AM

FloydA: What's amazing to me is that Fox News has so little actual news to worry about that they are reduced to trying to gin up poutrage that some unknown small college changed its mascot 15 years ago.

Nice work, GOP-TV, I'm sure Reagan would be proud.


Don't outrage over our outrage! That's an outrage!
 
2013-08-21 10:15:14 AM
Guns, Germs, and Steel, is a really good read. I thought maybe I had it on my book shelf. And yes, they were likely held back more by the lack of large domesticated livestock then anything else (although I don't find the hand waving about the buffalo being all that compelling. They are / were capable of being domesticated and could have been bred to be more useful as a draft animal.) However, my argument of abundance as a negative rests on the theory that much of the "Old World" technology was originally driven by the ever pressing need to innovate agricultural techniques to feed larger and larger populations on weary land. Or fight over new land that was slightly less weary. And there is some evidence of this happening in the new world as well. Prior to its collapse some time in the very early 1400s, the Missouri mound building culture had innovated heavily in the agricultural realm and the Illinois Cahokia people, another agrarian people, had begun producing copper tools. (This is even ignoring extensive copper and gold metallurgy in South and Central America ~800 CE). Sadly, both the Cahokia and the Missouri civilizations were likely done in by both land weariness and the sanitation issues of supporting large civilizations, and the technology largely abandoned by their former trading partners. One possible explanation for this is that it simply wasn't necessary. By marrying short term habitation patterns, mixed field agriculture (the three sisters of corn, beans, and squash), and fire based forest / game management, Native American groups were able to produce agricultural outcomes that were more then sufficient for themselves, and in general nutritionally better then the Europeans (as evidenced by the general early observations that Indian groups were taller and more 'robust' then Europeans of the time). Thus, they lacked a heavy impetus to develop advanced metal extraction and working techniques which could be re-purposed to war technologies.

I'm not saying that abundance was the only, or even primary, factor in holding back Native American technological innovation or resistance to colonization. Germs are a much more likely candidate for primacy. I seem to have lost the reference, but there is some evidence that even before the Spanish/ Portuguese arrived with European diseases that the America's had just been through a disease pandemic that had cut population numbers by about 10%. It's one of the supports keeping the questionable Chinese fleet first contact theory alive, after the maps have been thoroughly debunked. And then the Spanish show up with syphilis, small pox, and any number of diseases Europe and kill off anywhere from 40-90% of the remaining population, depending on who you ask, over the next 100 years or so. All this *before* the English and French make any serious colonization efforts.

/ I really thought I had a copy of Guns, Germs, and Steel. I was planning to use a excerpt from it for my American History 1 classes.
 
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