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(Think Progress)   Oklahoma oil billionaire hates wind turbines because they make the landscape look weird, as compared to those sexy oil derricks   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 24
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2013-08-20 10:24:37 PM
6 votes:
The Republican's insistence that wind farms are this huge eye sore can only be explained by this:

static.someecards.com
2013-08-21 02:12:11 AM
5 votes:

Rand's lacy underwear: it's not popular among any voters when you get more specific than "clean energy," specific like "more expensive energy."


That's because clean energy is much cheaper than the alternatives like coal and gas. We just subsidize the cost of those industries by not forcing them to pay for the costs associated with their pollution, like the damages to public health and global climate change. When you put clean energy at such an enormous disadvantage, of course it's going to be unpopular. It's like subsidizing cheap corn and then being surprised that people consume too much HFCS.
2013-08-21 03:03:42 AM
4 votes:

Omahawg: when I was a kid there were still tons of old windmills everywhere...falling down, mostly. all I could think of was that the wind is free and in iowa it blows most of the time (the wind, dummy). I just wish I saw more smaller, home versions instead of the mid american monstrosities out along Interstate 80. 'cause birds, mostly.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 600x334]


The bird-killing deal is way oversold by critics.  WAY oversold.  Avian studies are done as part of every windfarm.  Turbines are not placed in migratory routes or in the habitats of endangered species.  Modern wind turbines do kill some birds, yes, but not are certainly not the tweety cuisinarts that critics make them out to be.

Your kitchen window kills more birds than an average windmill.
2013-08-21 02:56:37 AM
3 votes:

Not_Todd: Wasn't it Ted Kennedy who led the lawsuit to prevent wind turbines within sight of his estate?


Off the coast of Hyannis Port, yes.  But Ted's dead so he's not leading much of anything anymore.

/never sure what the point of bringing Ted Kennedy up in every wind turbine thread is.
//If he'd actually managed to get the project quashed I'd have a different opinion.
///but he didn't.
2013-08-21 01:17:35 AM
3 votes:
This is what a walking, talking scumbag looks like:
thinkprogress.org

"Oh no, don't cut the huge subsidies on our dirty energy ... our profits are not quite obscene yet!! Cut the tiny subsidies on the clean energy!!"
2013-08-21 01:13:07 AM
3 votes:

Not_Todd: Wasn't it Ted Kennedy who led the lawsuit to prevent wind turbines within sight of his estate?

Without tax breaks and subsidies, very few of these things can even break even.


Both wind and solar are getting cheaper by the day, thanks in large part to the subsidies which made it profitable to do the research and technology development necessary to make the industry profitable.  Which is kind of the point.
2013-08-21 01:10:06 AM
3 votes:
I'm not fond of the terms "clean energy" and "green energy". I fully support wind and solar power. I don't like these terms because I believe we'll run out of coal and oil long before we darken the skies and pollute our fresh water. I'm a fan of "sustainable energy". I've built substations for wind farms, updated a substation for an oil refinery, worked on the iso-phase inside a nuclear plant, and substations outside of coal and natural gas plants. Oil refineries are corodid, rusted and deteriorated from the chemicals in the air. Coal plants have a mile long train of coal delivered every day. Then there is the sight of the coal yard to look at. Natural gas plants are fairly clean. The nuclear plant was clean too, but there's the risk involved, which I'm not opposed to, if done safely. Look at Fulishima. Why would you put a nuclear reactor on an island, in a tsunami zone, on top of a fault line? Then there are wind turbines, beautiful pieces of engineering, that only spin, 300' white towers among a background of green grass and a clear blue sky. Put 'em up fellas. They create jobs, like building the highways did during the Great Depression. It's one of the smartest infrastructure moves we could make. I helped build a substation in Enid, Oklahoma that delivered power to northern Alabama, the Chisolm View Wind Project. Put 'em up and keep Americans working.
2013-08-21 12:46:21 AM
3 votes:
Well, I do not like oil spills.  So because of that there should be no federal benefits for oil drilling.
2013-08-21 07:49:13 AM
2 votes:

Somacandra: Oklahomans for their part will not care about anything Hamm says about energy in public discourse. They've cast their lot with T. Boone Pickens in this area. Especially since Pickens practically funds Oklahoma State University.


I think Pickens may have a hidden agenda too, though--currently, wind generation needs to be paired with some sort of backup that you can bring online in minutes.  Such as natural gas fired power plants, and guess what, Pickens just happens to be big in natural gas.
2013-08-21 01:38:22 AM
2 votes:
The US energy plan after Jimmy Carter became "steal as much as you can".  It's sad to think of all the energy that will be wasted as the fight for Middle East oil and gas really shifts into high gear.  But the US and oil companies won't adjust strategy to renewables because if it ain't broke don't fix it.  And trillions in sunk costs.

The US should print up the last few trillions of its worthless paper and start a Manhattan Project of renewable energy.  Solar, wind, a little smart nuclear, and a lot of biomass oil.  It would create millions of permanent jobs and paired with some energy conservation could realistically make the US energy independent.  And the environment would be saved before fracking really farks it up beyond the point of no return.

But the greatest threat to national security is energy dependence so the military would get bored.  There are plenty of other brown-skinned countries to plunder, those Muslims tend to get so radical anyways.  It's hardly worth the trouble anymore.
2013-08-21 01:36:00 AM
2 votes:
While arguing against wind energy tax credits, Hamm cast special treatment for oil giants as fair, because they help propel his company's earnings.

Wow. Just wow. It's like the ultimate expression of "I got mine, fark you."
2013-08-21 01:06:13 AM
2 votes:
Sterilize the Duggars to curb global warming?

/am ok with this
2013-08-21 12:50:46 AM
2 votes:
Wow. Just... wow!

'WE should do something to stop THEM from overpopulating the MidEast and Africa.'

How 'bout WE start by neutering YOU and YOUR KIDS. Trust me, it'll do way more to save the planet.
2013-08-20 11:47:49 PM
2 votes:
FTFA: Shale oil billionaire Harold Hamm said in an this week that clean energy doesn't deserve federal subsidies in part because windmills are haunting to look at.

Oklahomans for their part will not care about anything Hamm says about energy in public discourse. They've cast their lot with T. Boone Pickens in this area. Especially since Pickens practically funds Oklahoma State University.
2013-08-21 08:15:38 AM
1 votes:
Plus, there's a finite amount of wind, compared to the literally limitless amount of fossil fuels that just sits there under our feet.  Relying on wind energy (and solar, for that matter) would just be irresponsible. If we use up all the wind, how will future generations be able to fly kites?
2013-08-21 07:44:12 AM
1 votes:

jaybeezey: Personally I like the look of wind farms. Unfortunately the focus doesn't run on wind.


But the Tesla can.  ;-)
2013-08-21 07:42:41 AM
1 votes:

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I dunno.  Wind turbines can look pretty elegant.


These are pretty to watch, and barely make a whisper of sound:
www.fiddlersgreen.net
Unfortunately, I'm told they have to be "spun up", i.e., they can't re-start themselves if the wind dies down and picks up again.  Bummer.
2013-08-21 03:11:02 AM
1 votes:
jeez... This guy is either incredibly stupid, or believes everybody around him is incredibly stupid.
2013-08-21 03:10:16 AM
1 votes:
One of the few PBS stations I can get on my satellite system is OETA, Oklahoma PBS. They are actually proud to have a fully Republican House, Senate, and Governor. Plus both their Senators and all of their house members are Republicans.

Their latest brilliant ploy is to eliminate their income tax.

The stupid with these people just burns.

I do love the OETA movie club, but watching their local talk shows with brain dead idiots like Dick Pryor fellating Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh makes me glad tornadoes blow through them on a fairly regular basis.
2013-08-21 03:07:51 AM
1 votes:

germ78: capt.hollister: The paradox is that as soon as a project involving clean, renewable energy is announced, whether it's a new hydro dam, or a wind farm, there are citizen groups that form to loudly demonstrate against it.

That sounds like the same stories I hear from my aunts and uncles in "hippie" "green" Vermont. A wind farm is proposed on a hillside and the NIMBYS and die-hard environmentalists come out in droves to protest and shut it down.


I have worked on coal plants, gas plants, nukes, dams, biomass, solar, you name it.  There are always NIMBYs and protesters.

But nothing--NOTHING--brings out the hate like windmills.  I have seen death threats, shots fired, riots, and more when windmills are involved.  Coal plants bring out the enviro-lawyers.  Windmills bring out the inner NIMBY in everyone.  It is absolutely surreal.
2013-08-21 02:16:08 AM
1 votes:

Omahawg: when I was a kid there were still tons of old windmills everywhere...falling down, mostly. all I could think of was that the wind is free and in iowa it blows most of the time (the wind, dummy). I just wish I saw more smaller, home versions instead of the mid american monstrosities out along Interstate 80. 'cause birds, mostly.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 600x334]


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess.

/love wind turbines. Their large, slow-turning blades make me feel zen.
2013-08-21 01:30:18 AM
1 votes:
This what rich people tell themselves so they can sleep at night.

His answer is textbook projective self-deluding denial. I bet he's a fan of Ayn Rand too.
2013-08-21 01:09:04 AM
1 votes:
He's got a point, look at that hideous monstrosity.  And I can smell the clean air from here, disgusting.

www.misterhire.com

/ aware that a windmill is not a turbine
// nothing could make the flat, desolate shiatholes known as OK and TX look weirder
2013-08-21 12:58:35 AM
1 votes:
Yeah, you just hate that they cut into your profits
 
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