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(Think Progress)   Oklahoma oil billionaire hates wind turbines because they make the landscape look weird, as compared to those sexy oil derricks   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 105
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2013-08-20 09:33:19 PM
Well, yeah, windmills just spin around, while oil derricks just keep pumping in and out, in and out. Thrusting into the Earth, penetrating deep into the crust, pumping, always pumping...

I'm sorry, is it hot in here?
 
2013-08-20 09:38:54 PM
Oh yeah, baby, take it!

www.gifmania.co.uk

Oh, gonna blow!

www.gifmania.co.uk

Mmmm ... that's good lovin', baby.
 
2013-08-20 10:24:37 PM
The Republican's insistence that wind farms are this huge eye sore can only be explained by this:

static.someecards.com
 
2013-08-20 11:47:49 PM
FTFA: Shale oil billionaire Harold Hamm said in an this week that clean energy doesn't deserve federal subsidies in part because windmills are haunting to look at.

Oklahomans for their part will not care about anything Hamm says about energy in public discourse. They've cast their lot with T. Boone Pickens in this area. Especially since Pickens practically funds Oklahoma State University.
 
2013-08-21 12:00:38 AM
There are three large wind farms around where I live in NW Oklahoma. It's a major industry in the area.

/Oil industry is booming, too.
//There's room for both.
 
2013-08-21 12:42:32 AM
Those sexy, sexy oil derricks.

/oil biz pays my bills
 
2013-08-21 12:46:21 AM
Well, I do not like oil spills.  So because of that there should be no federal benefits for oil drilling.
 
2013-08-21 12:50:46 AM
Wow. Just... wow!

'WE should do something to stop THEM from overpopulating the MidEast and Africa.'

How 'bout WE start by neutering YOU and YOUR KIDS. Trust me, it'll do way more to save the planet.
 
2013-08-21 12:51:22 AM

HawgWild: Oh yeah, baby, take it!

[www.gifmania.co.uk image 130x100]

Oh, gonna blow!

[www.gifmania.co.uk image 120x120]

Mmmm ... that's good lovin', baby.


Just don't go lighting that cigarette...
 
2013-08-21 12:51:49 AM

Mock26: Well, I do not like oil spills.  So because of that there should be no federal benefits for oil drilling.


/passes Mock26 some kleenex.
 
2013-08-21 12:52:04 AM
I am finding it hard to feel sorry for him, guess I am just tired?
 
2013-08-21 12:52:27 AM
If you want something haunting, peruse the people of Wal-Mart from Oklahoma bored shopping for ammunition for their kids.
 
2013-08-21 12:53:01 AM
Wasn't it Ted Kennedy who led the lawsuit to prevent wind turbines within sight of his estate?

Without tax breaks and subsidies, very few of these things can even break even.
 
2013-08-21 12:55:36 AM
His first love was named derrick, but he was tragically killed in a windmill accident. To this day he spreads oily derricks across the land in his memory and fights the dangerous windmills at every chance
 
2013-08-21 12:58:35 AM
Yeah, you just hate that they cut into your profits
 
2013-08-21 01:03:28 AM

nmrsnr: Well, yeah, windmills just spin around, while oil derricks just keep pumping in and out, in and out. Thrusting into the Earth, penetrating deep into the crust, pumping, always pumping...

I'm sorry, is it hot in here?


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-08-21 01:04:55 AM
He should just switch off his mind and let his heart decide who he was meant to be. . .
 
2013-08-21 01:06:13 AM
Sterilize the Duggars to curb global warming?

/am ok with this
 
2013-08-21 01:09:04 AM
He's got a point, look at that hideous monstrosity.  And I can smell the clean air from here, disgusting.

www.misterhire.com

/ aware that a windmill is not a turbine
// nothing could make the flat, desolate shiatholes known as OK and TX look weirder
 
2013-08-21 01:09:54 AM
embracing clean energy, which is popular even among Republican voters.

it's not popular among any voters when you get more specific than "clean energy," specific like "more expensive energy." Grownup decisions don't sell.
 
2013-08-21 01:10:06 AM
I'm not fond of the terms "clean energy" and "green energy". I fully support wind and solar power. I don't like these terms because I believe we'll run out of coal and oil long before we darken the skies and pollute our fresh water. I'm a fan of "sustainable energy". I've built substations for wind farms, updated a substation for an oil refinery, worked on the iso-phase inside a nuclear plant, and substations outside of coal and natural gas plants. Oil refineries are corodid, rusted and deteriorated from the chemicals in the air. Coal plants have a mile long train of coal delivered every day. Then there is the sight of the coal yard to look at. Natural gas plants are fairly clean. The nuclear plant was clean too, but there's the risk involved, which I'm not opposed to, if done safely. Look at Fulishima. Why would you put a nuclear reactor on an island, in a tsunami zone, on top of a fault line? Then there are wind turbines, beautiful pieces of engineering, that only spin, 300' white towers among a background of green grass and a clear blue sky. Put 'em up fellas. They create jobs, like building the highways did during the Great Depression. It's one of the smartest infrastructure moves we could make. I helped build a substation in Enid, Oklahoma that delivered power to northern Alabama, the Chisolm View Wind Project. Put 'em up and keep Americans working.
 
2013-08-21 01:13:07 AM

Not_Todd: Wasn't it Ted Kennedy who led the lawsuit to prevent wind turbines within sight of his estate?

Without tax breaks and subsidies, very few of these things can even break even.


Both wind and solar are getting cheaper by the day, thanks in large part to the subsidies which made it profitable to do the research and technology development necessary to make the industry profitable.  Which is kind of the point.
 
2013-08-21 01:14:27 AM

BLayingBeads: Why would you put a nuclear reactor on an island, in a tsunami zone, on top of a fault line?


Because it's Japan and you don't really have a choice.
 
2013-08-21 01:15:59 AM
He's making common cause with Ted Kennedy.
 
2013-08-21 01:17:35 AM
This is what a walking, talking scumbag looks like:
thinkprogress.org

"Oh no, don't cut the huge subsidies on our dirty energy ... our profits are not quite obscene yet!! Cut the tiny subsidies on the clean energy!!"
 
2013-08-21 01:17:52 AM
Stupid sexy derricks!
 
2013-08-21 01:21:16 AM

Mentat: BLayingBeads: Why would you put a nuclear reactor on an island, in a tsunami zone, on top of a fault line?

Because it's Japan and you don't really have a choice.


There's always a choice. Ride horses and bicycles, or face a third nuclear disaster. Now don't you go starting a flame war about the US of A causing the first two. So anyway, did you see AROD being hit by a pitch the other night? That was something, eh?!
 
2013-08-21 01:23:15 AM
I dunno.  Wind turbines can look pretty elegant.
 
2013-08-21 01:30:18 AM
This what rich people tell themselves so they can sleep at night.

His answer is textbook projective self-deluding denial. I bet he's a fan of Ayn Rand too.
 
2013-08-21 01:34:48 AM
This is what you say when you don't have any legitimate arguments. Literally 99% of all man made structures are uglier than wind turbines, they're just giant pinwheels for fark's sake!
 
2013-08-21 01:36:00 AM
While arguing against wind energy tax credits, Hamm cast special treatment for oil giants as fair, because they help propel his company's earnings.

Wow. Just wow. It's like the ultimate expression of "I got mine, fark you."
 
2013-08-21 01:37:51 AM
The cool thing about oil derricks is that when you shoot at them they blow up.
 
2013-08-21 01:38:22 AM
The US energy plan after Jimmy Carter became "steal as much as you can".  It's sad to think of all the energy that will be wasted as the fight for Middle East oil and gas really shifts into high gear.  But the US and oil companies won't adjust strategy to renewables because if it ain't broke don't fix it.  And trillions in sunk costs.

The US should print up the last few trillions of its worthless paper and start a Manhattan Project of renewable energy.  Solar, wind, a little smart nuclear, and a lot of biomass oil.  It would create millions of permanent jobs and paired with some energy conservation could realistically make the US energy independent.  And the environment would be saved before fracking really farks it up beyond the point of no return.

But the greatest threat to national security is energy dependence so the military would get bored.  There are plenty of other brown-skinned countries to plunder, those Muslims tend to get so radical anyways.  It's hardly worth the trouble anymore.
 
2013-08-21 01:44:13 AM
It's Oklahoma. What majestic mountain range are they blocking?
 
2013-08-21 01:54:10 AM
when I was a kid there were still tons of old windmills everywhere...falling down, mostly. all I could think of was that the wind is free and in iowa it blows most of the time (the wind, dummy). I just wish I saw more smaller, home versions instead of the mid american monstrosities out along Interstate 80. 'cause birds, mostly.

cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2013-08-21 02:03:53 AM
wwwhhhhaaattt? I like it how the wolves don't even need the sheep's clothing anymore.

 I woke up from a nightmare! I HAD SOLAR PANELS ON MY ROOF! MY neighbor had a Prius! *faints*
 
2013-08-21 02:05:08 AM

Rand's lacy underwear: embracing clean energy, which is popular even among Republican voters.

it's not popular among any voters when you get more specific than "clean energy," specific like "more expensive energy." Grownup decisions don't sell.


In Québec, where I live, everybody is opposed to any project involving fossil fuels, whether it's fracking for shale gas, digging for oil, building a natural gas terminal, or repurposing an existing pipeline, people will loudly demonstrate against it. Everybody insists we should concentrate on clean, renewable energy.  The paradox is that as soon as a project involving clean, renewable energy is announced, whether it's a new hydro dam, or a wind farm, there are citizen groups that form to loudly demonstrate against it.

If the world could be made to run on magic pixie dust, someone would oppose the production of magic pixie dust.
 
2013-08-21 02:06:02 AM

HawgWild: Oh yeah, baby, take it!

[www.gifmania.co.uk image 130x100]

Oh, gonna blow!

[www.gifmania.co.uk image 120x120]

Mmmm ... that's good lovin', baby.


Fark is not your personal oilrotica site...
 
2013-08-21 02:12:11 AM

Rand's lacy underwear: it's not popular among any voters when you get more specific than "clean energy," specific like "more expensive energy."


That's because clean energy is much cheaper than the alternatives like coal and gas. We just subsidize the cost of those industries by not forcing them to pay for the costs associated with their pollution, like the damages to public health and global climate change. When you put clean energy at such an enormous disadvantage, of course it's going to be unpopular. It's like subsidizing cheap corn and then being surprised that people consume too much HFCS.
 
2013-08-21 02:14:40 AM

stilted: There are three large wind farms around where I live in NW Oklahoma. It's a major industry in the area.

/Oil industry is booming, too.
//There's room for both.


It's all fun and games until that first massive windspill. As a Floridian, I have experienced these. Both during hurricane season and election season. Where will your T.Boone Pickens be then, Oklahoma?  Hmmmmm?
 
2013-08-21 02:16:08 AM

Omahawg: when I was a kid there were still tons of old windmills everywhere...falling down, mostly. all I could think of was that the wind is free and in iowa it blows most of the time (the wind, dummy). I just wish I saw more smaller, home versions instead of the mid american monstrosities out along Interstate 80. 'cause birds, mostly.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 600x334]


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess.

/love wind turbines. Their large, slow-turning blades make me feel zen.
 
2013-08-21 02:19:11 AM
wind/solar/fossil fuel systems work if you happen to be pissed off enough at your rural power company to build your own wind generator/mast/blades.  Otherwise they take too long to pay for themselves.  If you build your own, you can claim retail value for it and get that sweet tax credit that covers your materials, time and...just materials and time, thats all. ;)
 
2013-08-21 02:21:20 AM

corq: stilted: There are three large wind farms around where I live in NW Oklahoma. It's a major industry in the area.

/Oil industry is booming, too.
//There's room for both.

It's all fun and games until that first massive windspill. As a Floridian, I have experienced these. Both during hurricane season and election season. Where will your T.Boone Pickens be then, Oklahoma?  Hmmmmm?


He'll be fine cause he owns the powerlines, doesnt matter how you make the juice, you gotta rent his straw to drink it.
 
2013-08-21 02:44:31 AM

Captain James T. Smirk: nmrsnr: Well, yeah, windmills just spin around, while oil derricks just keep pumping in and out, in and out. Thrusting into the Earth, penetrating deep into the crust, pumping, always pumping...

I'm sorry, is it hot in here?

[imgs.xkcd.com image 697x264]


imgs.xkcd.com

I like this one better
 
2013-08-21 02:56:37 AM

Not_Todd: Wasn't it Ted Kennedy who led the lawsuit to prevent wind turbines within sight of his estate?


Off the coast of Hyannis Port, yes.  But Ted's dead so he's not leading much of anything anymore.

/never sure what the point of bringing Ted Kennedy up in every wind turbine thread is.
//If he'd actually managed to get the project quashed I'd have a different opinion.
///but he didn't.
 
2013-08-21 02:57:32 AM

fusillade762: While arguing against wind energy tax credits, Hamm cast special treatment for oil giants as fair, because they help propel his company's earnings.

Wow. Just wow. It's like the ultimate expression of "I got mine, fark you."


That can't be a direct quote.  It just can't.
 
2013-08-21 02:59:08 AM

capt.hollister: The paradox is that as soon as a project involving clean, renewable energy is announced, whether it's a new hydro dam, or a wind farm, there are citizen groups that form to loudly demonstrate against it.


That sounds like the same stories I hear from my aunts and uncles in "hippie" "green" Vermont. A wind farm is proposed on a hillside and the NIMBYS and die-hard environmentalists come out in droves to protest and shut it down.
 
2013-08-21 03:03:42 AM

Omahawg: when I was a kid there were still tons of old windmills everywhere...falling down, mostly. all I could think of was that the wind is free and in iowa it blows most of the time (the wind, dummy). I just wish I saw more smaller, home versions instead of the mid american monstrosities out along Interstate 80. 'cause birds, mostly.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 600x334]


The bird-killing deal is way oversold by critics.  WAY oversold.  Avian studies are done as part of every windfarm.  Turbines are not placed in migratory routes or in the habitats of endangered species.  Modern wind turbines do kill some birds, yes, but not are certainly not the tweety cuisinarts that critics make them out to be.

Your kitchen window kills more birds than an average windmill.
 
2013-08-21 03:07:51 AM

germ78: capt.hollister: The paradox is that as soon as a project involving clean, renewable energy is announced, whether it's a new hydro dam, or a wind farm, there are citizen groups that form to loudly demonstrate against it.

That sounds like the same stories I hear from my aunts and uncles in "hippie" "green" Vermont. A wind farm is proposed on a hillside and the NIMBYS and die-hard environmentalists come out in droves to protest and shut it down.


I have worked on coal plants, gas plants, nukes, dams, biomass, solar, you name it.  There are always NIMBYs and protesters.

But nothing--NOTHING--brings out the hate like windmills.  I have seen death threats, shots fired, riots, and more when windmills are involved.  Coal plants bring out the enviro-lawyers.  Windmills bring out the inner NIMBY in everyone.  It is absolutely surreal.
 
2013-08-21 03:10:16 AM
One of the few PBS stations I can get on my satellite system is OETA, Oklahoma PBS. They are actually proud to have a fully Republican House, Senate, and Governor. Plus both their Senators and all of their house members are Republicans.

Their latest brilliant ploy is to eliminate their income tax.

The stupid with these people just burns.

I do love the OETA movie club, but watching their local talk shows with brain dead idiots like Dick Pryor fellating Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh makes me glad tornadoes blow through them on a fairly regular basis.
 
2013-08-21 03:11:02 AM
jeez... This guy is either incredibly stupid, or believes everybody around him is incredibly stupid.
 
2013-08-21 03:17:39 AM

Rambino: fusillade762: While arguing against wind energy tax credits, Hamm cast special treatment for oil giants as fair, because they help propel his company's earnings.

Wow. Just wow. It's like the ultimate expression of "I got mine, fark you."

That can't be a direct quote.  It just can't.


Going to the actual interview, the closest I could find was this:

NJ: So do you think you should differentiate tax breaks between independents and the integrated companies?

Hamm:
The industry doesn't like to put ourselves in a situation of us against them. Because we need them. I need them to refine our oil. So we haven't put ourselves against them. Likewise, they're not pointing fingers over at us. I'd be very hesitant to do that. It is a different situation. It's not the independent sector out there with obscene profits. I'm not saying there are obscene profits, because they're not. Big companies have to make money to hire people and do all the things they have to do.

... and the "them" here is clearly the integrated oil companies.  He isn't saying he needs the tax breaks, he is saying he needs the big oil companies.  So that seems like a bit of a mis-characterization in TFA.
 
2013-08-21 03:19:24 AM

brimed03: Wow. Just... wow!

'WE should do something to stop THEM from overpopulating the MidEast and Africa.'

How 'bout WE start by neutering YOU and YOUR KIDS. Trust me, it'll do way more to save the planet.


Too late.  Hamm has five kids with two wimmin.
 
2013-08-21 03:42:24 AM
Why do these people always look like baby eaters?
 
2013-08-21 04:45:37 AM
i1.ytimg.com

These people want us to build nuclear plants, and put them in charge.

Because if it's a nuclear plant, they absolutely positively, definitely, pinkie-promise WILL NOT cut costs/corners and foster unsafe working conditions to maximize profits.

Because that would be bad.  And they wouldn't do that.
 
2013-08-21 05:56:53 AM
Captain James T. Smirk:
[imgs.xkcd.com image 697x264]

hehe that's good
 
2013-08-21 06:21:23 AM
 He claims even the giants, ExxonMobil and Chevron, don't necessarily earn "obscene profits"

www.lolwut.com
 
2013-08-21 06:24:10 AM

swingbozo: One of the few PBS stations I can get on my satellite system is OETA, Oklahoma PBS. They are actually proud to have a fully Republican House, Senate, and Governor. Plus both their Senators and all of their house members are Republicans.

Their latest brilliant ploy is to eliminate their income tax.

The stupid with these people just burns.

I do love the OETA movie club, but watching their local talk shows with brain dead idiots like Dick Pryor fellating Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh makes me glad tornadoes blow through them on a fairly regular basis.




Sounds like a way to get some people back to work. Boy that would suck.
 
2013-08-21 06:48:03 AM
Continental is big around here in this part of  the state.  They have this thing going on called SCOOP.  I have looked at it and the gist is that you have all of these rigs around the southern part of the state.  Under the part they are drilling, their scientists have discovered oil deposits in the rock that, according to them, put the deposits being drilled now to shame.  If I remember the article right, this supply of oil would stretch from over here where I live at (Grady county) south to the Red river and east all the way over into Arkansas.  If you pull up a map of Oklahoma, that Is pretty darn big, but it I would think it means they are going to come up with some other way to get it out of the ground which will probably lead to more arguments from folks like the anti fracking people.

Plenty of wind farms around here as well and one of the chief complaints I keep hearing is the noise.  I stopped on the road one day by one and got out to take a picture simply because from the highway they don't look too big but if you are driving by on a county road that runs alongside a farm, you can really see how gigantic they are.  Pretty awesome.  Derricks are pretty cool to look at to especially at night when they light them up even better during a thunderstorm and lightning is flashing all around.
 
2013-08-21 07:04:14 AM

germ78: capt.hollister: The paradox is that as soon as a project involving clean, renewable energy is announced, whether it's a new hydro dam, or a wind farm, there are citizen groups that form to loudly demonstrate against it.

That sounds like the same stories I hear from my aunts and uncles in "hippie" "green" Vermont. A wind farm is proposed on a hillside and the NIMBYS and die-hard environmentalists come out in droves to protest and shut it down.


yeah, I don't think that's related to how clean or dirty the energy is.

NIMBYs just oppose any big development happening anywhere near them.
 
2013-08-21 07:04:41 AM
I heard that wind turbines produce more CO2 than all of the coal-fired power plants combined.  Amd that oil derricks actually absorb CO2 and turn it into chocolate chip cookies.  Also, wind turbines are part of this here plot to transfer my money to them folks as slave reparations.  Which makes me mad as heck, I tell you what.
 
2013-08-21 07:09:21 AM

autopsybeverage: jeez... This guy is either incredibly stupid, or believes everybody around him is incredibly stupid.


whynotboth.jpg


I've been around a wind farm and the sound they make is rather soothing. And the important thing is all you can taste in the air is the salt air from the ocean. Stupid man is stupid it's too bad people like him have money and power and can block progress.
 
2013-08-21 07:10:10 AM
I guess they are ugly because they are "messin' with his profits".
 
2013-08-21 07:16:59 AM
So are there a lot of power plants out there that burn oil? I don't see where the 2 industries overlap.

Personally I like the look of wind farms. Unfortunately the focus doesn't run on wind.
 
2013-08-21 07:38:35 AM

Not_Todd: Wasn't it Ted Kennedy who led the lawsuit to prevent wind turbines within sight of his estate?

Without tax breaks and subsidies, very few of these things can even break even.


You're talking about the oil and coal industries, right?  :)
 
2013-08-21 07:39:40 AM

Rand's lacy underwear: embracing clean energy, which is popular even among Republican voters.

it's not popular among any voters when you get more specific than "clean energy," specific like "more expensive energy." Grownup decisions don't sell.


Didn't read the article, did ya?

Corporate socialism is still socialism.
 
2013-08-21 07:42:41 AM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I dunno.  Wind turbines can look pretty elegant.


These are pretty to watch, and barely make a whisper of sound:
www.fiddlersgreen.net
Unfortunately, I'm told they have to be "spun up", i.e., they can't re-start themselves if the wind dies down and picks up again.  Bummer.
 
2013-08-21 07:44:12 AM

jaybeezey: Personally I like the look of wind farms. Unfortunately the focus doesn't run on wind.


But the Tesla can.  ;-)
 
2013-08-21 07:45:41 AM

Rambino: fusillade762: While arguing against wind energy tax credits, Hamm cast special treatment for oil giants as fair, because they help propel his company's earnings.

Wow. Just wow. It's like the ultimate expression of "I got mine, fark you."

That can't be a direct quote.  It just can't.


Sure it can...heck, listen to an oil patch senator some time.
 
2013-08-21 07:49:13 AM

jaybeezey: So are there a lot of power plants out there that burn oil? I don't see where the 2 industries overlap.



Around ten percent, last I looked.  Most power generation is coal in the US, iirc.
 
2013-08-21 07:49:13 AM

Somacandra: Oklahomans for their part will not care about anything Hamm says about energy in public discourse. They've cast their lot with T. Boone Pickens in this area. Especially since Pickens practically funds Oklahoma State University.


I think Pickens may have a hidden agenda too, though--currently, wind generation needs to be paired with some sort of backup that you can bring online in minutes.  Such as natural gas fired power plants, and guess what, Pickens just happens to be big in natural gas.
 
2013-08-21 07:51:28 AM

PunGent: Not_Todd: Wasn't it Ted Kennedy who led the lawsuit to prevent wind turbines within sight of his estate?

Without tax breaks and subsidies, very few of these things can even break even.

You're talking about the oil and coal industries, right?  :)




Turbines can't make plastic. How the fark am I going to get my latest geewizbang electronic gadget, that I must have? So now our children have to be deprived after you got yours. fark you. Why do you hate the children?
 
2013-08-21 07:53:04 AM

Not_Todd: Without tax breaks and subsidies, very few of these things can even break even.


Where would the petroleum industry be if we did not send American men and women to fight and die in the middle east?  Is that not a subsidy?
 
2013-08-21 07:54:44 AM

flondrix: jaybeezey: Personally I like the look of wind farms. Unfortunately the focus doesn't run on wind.

But the Tesla can.  ;-)




Tasty carbon credits. I can't wait to eat mine.
 
2013-08-21 07:57:20 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Turbines can't make plastic. How the fark am I going to get my latest geewizbang electronic gadget, that I must have? So now our children have to be deprived after you got yours. fark you. Why do you hate the children?


How much petroleum do we burn vs. how much goes into making plastic?  Do they use overlapping fractions of the crude?  In any case, so little electricity generation involves petroleum that they are almost separate issues.
 
2013-08-21 08:06:13 AM

flondrix: StoPPeRmobile: Turbines can't make plastic. How the fark am I going to get my latest geewizbang electronic gadget, that I must have? So now our children have to be deprived after you got yours. fark you. Why do you hate the children?

How much petroleum do we burn vs. how much goes into making plastic?  Do they use overlapping fractions of the crude?  In any case, so little electricity generation involves petroleum that they are almost separate issues.




I see the first apolagist for the Geewizbang Electronic Gadget Corporation, has arrived.
 
2013-08-21 08:06:33 AM
Further proof that having money or being smart in one field does not prevent you from being a complete moran in another.

Maybe, "we" should "provide rules" in the Middle East and Africa similar to China's one-child policy.

I mean... wtf?
 
2013-08-21 08:15:38 AM
Plus, there's a finite amount of wind, compared to the literally limitless amount of fossil fuels that just sits there under our feet.  Relying on wind energy (and solar, for that matter) would just be irresponsible. If we use up all the wind, how will future generations be able to fly kites?
 
2013-08-21 08:29:20 AM

HawgWild: Oh yeah, baby, take it!

[www.gifmania.co.uk image 130x100]

Oh, gonna blow!

[www.gifmania.co.uk image 120x120]

Mmmm ... that's good lovin', baby.


Oh baby, I'm sorry, but I forgot I have a meeting in the morning. My name? Oh it's, uh, Rusty. Rusty Shackleford. 555-8537. Yeah, of course I'd love to go out to dinner soon.
 
2013-08-21 08:43:46 AM

nmrsnr: Well, yeah, windmills just spin around, while oil derricks just keep pumping in and out, in and out. Thrusting into the Earth, penetrating deep into the crust, pumping, always pumping...

I'm sorry, is it hot in here?


That's a pump jack. The derrick (mast of the rig) is the big tall thing that uses joints of pipe to drill into the ground.
 
2013-08-21 08:57:21 AM

captainstew: nmrsnr: Well, yeah, windmills just spin around, while oil derricks just keep pumping in and out, in and out. Thrusting into the Earth, penetrating deep into the crust, pumping, always pumping...

I'm sorry, is it hot in here?

That's a pump jack. The derrick (mast of the rig) is the big tall thing that uses joints of pipe to drill into the ground.




Thanks a lot!
 
2013-08-21 09:05:17 AM
FTFA: "Overpopulation-that probably hurts the environment more than anything," Hamm said. "Are we going to provide rules to stop overpopulating areas in Africa? Middle Eastern countries? Probably should. China did. Stop overpopulating areas with people. "

Ho.  Lee.  Fark.

Why yes, it seems so simple now.  Let's start demanding that other sovereign nations implement population controls over their citizens.  We're such big fans of the Chinese system for everything else, why wouldn't we want to see their models expanded in this area as well?  Nothing could scream "freedom" louder!

Should we do it in the USA?  Maybe, but let's start with forcing "them" to do it "there" first, in the interest of preserving "our" resources (and by "our" resources I mean "theirs" until we feel like taking them).

What a farking piece of absolute human garbage.
 
2013-08-21 09:27:05 AM
Someone say "Sexy" and "oil"?


i.imgur.comi.imgur.com/miss "Black Gold" on Tru TV
 
2013-08-21 09:45:10 AM

impaler: The Republican's insistence that wind farms are this huge eye sore can only be explained by this:

[static.someecards.com image 420x294]



And By Republican I assume you mean DEMOCRATS like the Kennedy Family

Sen. Ted Kennedy,(hypocrite),says...no wind farm off Martha's Vineyard


or your garden variety environmentalists

California Environmentalists Sue to Stop Wind Farm

Meanwhile in the Red State of Texas oil and wind power co-exist

Texas increases its lead in wind power

www.earthmagazine.org

www.midwestenergynews.com
 
2013-08-21 10:05:14 AM

flondrix: Not_Todd: Without tax breaks and subsidies, very few of these things can even break even.

Where would the petroleum industry be if we did not send American men and women to fight and die in the middle east?  Is that not a subsidy?


How much oil does the US import from middle-eastern countries where US soldiers fought and died ?
 
2013-08-21 10:07:11 AM
I will say the wind farm on 65N toward Chicago in IN can be quite distracting the 1st time you drive through it. They are everywhere. Something about all the spinning blades can be somewhat hypnotic. I wonder what the accident rate is around there...

i91.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-21 10:29:52 AM

capt.hollister: flondrix: Not_Todd: Without tax breaks and subsidies, very few of these things can even break even.

Where would the petroleum industry be if we did not send American men and women to fight and die in the middle east?  Is that not a subsidy?

How much oil does the US import from middle-eastern countries where US soldiers fought and died ?


Top five countries that we import oil from: Canada, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Venezuela, and Russia. Good luck with that argument.

I've worked for Continental Energy. They're a decent company but most states need to enact regulations like Colorado has. Colorado is proof you can drill, frac, and pull lots of oil while making it a viable industry. I wonder how many people would freak out to know there is a well in the middle of their soy bean, onion, or corn fields?
 
2013-08-21 10:30:11 AM

capt.hollister: How much oil does the US import from middle-eastern countries where US soldiers fought and died ?


That is irrelevant.  Sadly the people who die are not deemed important. Their are no sons and daughters of those that pull the strings over in those muck holes.
 
2013-08-21 10:45:41 AM

capt.hollister: How much oil does the US import from middle-eastern countries where US soldiers fought and died ?


[Morbo] FUNGIBLE COMMODITIES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY [/Morbo]
 
2013-08-21 10:53:15 AM

hasty ambush: And By Republican I assume you mean DEMOCRATS like the Kennedy Family

Sen. Ted Kennedy,(hypocrite),says...no wind farm off Martha's Vineyard


or your garden variety environmentalists

California Environmentalists Sue to Stop Wind Farm


So a dead person and group with little sway in the Democratic party.

Meanwhile, AM radio rails against wind energy relentlessly.

Both sides are bad.
 
2013-08-21 11:19:26 AM

tjgosurf: capt.hollister: flondrix: Not_Todd: Without tax breaks and subsidies, very few of these things can even break even.

Where would the petroleum industry be if we did not send American men and women to fight and die in the middle east?  Is that not a subsidy?

How much oil does the US import from middle-eastern countries where US soldiers fought and died ?

Top five countries that we import oil from: Canada, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Venezuela, and Russia. Good luck with that argument.

I've worked for Continental Energy. They're a decent company but most states need to enact regulations like Colorado has. Colorado is proof you can drill, frac, and pull lots of oil while making it a viable industry. I wonder how many people would freak out to know there is a well in the middle of their soy bean, onion, or corn fields?


Heresy Everybody knows nature and the energy industry cannot co-exist.

www.explorenorth.com

assets.inhabitat.com

Since most the land in Texas is private property most of the rigs end up in farmers fields , ranchers, pasture/graing land etc-no problem. In my younger days I rented a place on some farm land. Had a corn field with two pumps behind the house. No problems. Deer blind not to much further from there plenty of game
 
2013-08-21 11:31:14 AM

capt.hollister: flondrix: Not_Todd: Without tax breaks and subsidies, very few of these things can even break even.

Where would the petroleum industry be if we did not send American men and women to fight and die in the middle east?  Is that not a subsidy?

How much oil does the US import from middle-eastern countries where US soldiers fought and died ?


We send them there to protect our access.  In the first gulf war, we were practically proxies for the Saudis, who didn't see any need to risk their own sons in that fight when they had us to do it for them.  The CIA has finally fessed up to staging the coup in Iran that brought the Shah into power.
 
2013-08-21 01:17:45 PM

Kibbler: I heard that wind turbines produce more CO2 than all of the coal-fired power plants combined.  Amd that oil derricks actually absorb CO2 and turn it into chocolate chip cookies.  Also, wind turbines are part of this here plot to transfer my money to them folks as slave reparations.  Which makes me mad as heck, I tell you what.


Wait'll you hear about the nitrogen emissions. They are off the charts, let me tell you.
 
2013-08-21 01:28:01 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: His first love was named derrick, but he was tragically killed in a windmill accident. To this day he spreads oily derricks across the land in his memory and fights the dangerous windmills at every chance


Rather "Quixotic", isn't it
 
2013-08-21 01:35:13 PM

PunGent: jaybeezey: So are there a lot of power plants out there that burn oil? I don't see where the 2 industries overlap.


Around ten percent, last I looked.  Most power generation is coal in the US, iirc.


Coal is out front, Natural Gas has been gaining market share.  In some markets, Commercial Natural Gas is almost free (Pennies per MMCuFt) and plentiful.
 
2013-08-21 02:14:22 PM
Just for clarification,

This is a pumping unit, or pump jack.  It is permanent, but reasonably small: image.made-in-china.com

This is a derrick.  It is much larger, but is part of the drilling rig, so it is temporary:
www.worldoils.com

This is one of the wind farms that supplies Google.  It is permanent:
econewsnetwork.org

So far as making the landscape look weird is concerned, draw your on conclusion.
 
2013-08-21 02:15:28 PM
*own*, not on
 
2013-08-21 02:31:23 PM

dabbletech: This is one of the wind farms that supplies Google.  It is permanent:


It is also an obsolete design.
 
2013-08-21 02:50:59 PM

impaler: dabbletech: This is one of the wind farms that supplies Google.  It is permanent:

It is also an obsolete design.


Yes. Very far from representative of what is common.
 
2013-08-21 03:09:17 PM
This is what a typical modern wind farm normally looks like.

Yes, they generate rainbows.

www.samefacts.com
 
2013-08-21 03:13:29 PM

Rambino: brimed03: Wow. Just... wow!

'WE should do something to stop THEM from overpopulating the MidEast and Africa.'

How 'bout WE start by neutering YOU and YOUR KIDS. Trust me, it'll do way more to save the planet.

Too late.  Hamm has five kids with two wimmin.


B-b-but family values!  Sanctity of marriage!  He's been divorced???

Are there no heroes left?  Or should I say no heroes on the right?
 
2013-08-21 04:34:26 PM

dabbletech: Just for clarification,

This is a pumping unit, or pump jack.  It is permanent, but reasonably small: [image.made-in-china.com image 390x293]

This is a derrick.  It is much larger, but is part of the drilling rig, so it is temporary:
[www.worldoils.com image 336x448]

This is one of the wind farms that supplies Google.  It is permanent:
[econewsnetwork.org image 400x300]

So far as making the landscape look weird is concerned, draw your on conclusion.


While the visual effect on the landscape of one is less than the other, which one has the greatest global impact on the environment ?
 
2013-08-21 04:48:14 PM

StoPPeRmobile: PunGent: Not_Todd: Wasn't it Ted Kennedy who led the lawsuit to prevent wind turbines within sight of his estate?

Without tax breaks and subsidies, very few of these things can even break even.

You're talking about the oil and coal industries, right?  :)

Turbines can't make plastic. How the fark am I going to get my latest geewizbang electronic gadget, that I must have? So now our children have to be deprived after you got yours. fark you. Why do you hate the children?


On the off chance you're serious, no, I don't hate kids.  I just don't buy the "subsidies good for oil, bad for solar" BS...subsidize both or neither, I'm fine either way...just don't call subsidies the "free market" when they've been around so long they've faded into the background for everyone.

/rant over
 
2013-08-21 04:51:30 PM

capt.hollister: dabbletech: Just for clarification,

This is a pumping unit, or pump jack.  It is permanent, but reasonably small: [image.made-in-china.com image 390x293]

This is a derrick.  It is much larger, but is part of the drilling rig, so it is temporary:
[www.worldoils.com image 336x448]

This is one of the wind farms that supplies Google.  It is permanent:
[econewsnetwork.org image 400x300]

So far as making the landscape look weird is concerned, draw your on conclusion.

While the visual effect on the landscape of one is less than the other, which one has the greatest global impact on the environment ?


Both require an initial investment of raw materials (including metals, which must be mined, plus additional energy and waste from construction and installation). Subsequent maintenance also has its costs in materials and energy.

One contributes to the extraction of millions of years worth of sequestered carbon. Much of that carbon is then pumped back into the active environment in the space of decades and centuries. A blink of an eye in geological terms.

The other harvests kinetic energy powered by the sun. The wind is blowing anyway. Gas doesn't seep fast enough on its own to be economically viable. So...
 
2013-08-21 05:58:53 PM

HawgWild: Oh yeah, baby, take it!

[www.gifmania.co.uk image 130x100]

Oh, gonna blow!

[www.gifmania.co.uk image 120x120]

Mmmm ... that's good lovin', baby.


How crude.
 
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