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(Orlando Sentinel)   Fifteen-year-old boy who murdered two people with a handgun got the weapon from his father, who took him gun shopping and let him pick out which gun he wanted. Naturally police have arrested the father   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 35
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2013-08-20 07:50:29 PM
9 votes:
Nice AK-47.
2013-08-20 09:26:32 PM
4 votes:
Nice mug shots.  All that group needs is a pit bull and they'd be the 21st century meth-head version of Scooby Doo.
2013-08-20 09:23:31 PM
4 votes:
Came to post Lothar. Now I shall walk alone in the hills.
2013-08-20 09:19:03 PM
4 votes:
Lothar? LOTHAR?
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Maybe the kid was upset that the mansheath had been removed from his penoose.
2013-08-20 08:45:49 PM
4 votes:
Looking at his cohorts, it appears his gang was multi-racial and had a female as well. Nice to see kids can cross ethnic and gender barriers to find common interests.
2013-08-20 10:58:49 PM
2 votes:
Wow -- white, black, male, female, hair that is short, medium, long, and in dreadlocks ...

Say what you want, these are equal-opportunity murderous thugs.
2013-08-20 10:30:22 PM
2 votes:
There's nothing that could have been done to prevent this.

If the kid hadn't got a firearm and ammunition from his father, he probably just would have got one from somewhere else or shot those people with a knife or something
2013-08-20 10:15:43 PM
2 votes:
The kid got his pick of guns and he goes with a Hi-Point?
2013-08-20 10:01:20 PM
2 votes:

Ishkur: Tellingthem: And you know somebody will blame video games for it. Oh well what can you do? Ban the games!...ban the guns!...ban everything! Just the same old stuff spewing back and forth.

I'm not blaming video games nor am I saying this kid got the idea from playing video games (who knows if he even plays video games). I'm just noting the similarities: This specific kid had such an appalling disregard for firearms and their lethal consequences that he literally went out and killed people in the middle of the farking street, GTA style. Almost as if expecting them to pop right back up and re-spawn with a health boost or something.

I've never heard of any gun crime like that before. This kid is seriously sick in the head.


I bet it was movies more than anything.

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2013-08-20 07:37:06 PM
2 votes:
Carbine = Handgun?

Are we going by the medieval definition where "handgun" means anything that doesn't require a sledge and oxen to move?
2013-08-21 01:33:17 AM
1 votes:

b0rg9: Shot someone walking to the bus stop just for "fun"?

If this isn't what the death penalty is for I don't know what it is for.


Walking to the bus stop, apparently.
2013-08-21 12:08:56 AM
1 votes:

Fubini: I should also point out that bumpfiring doesn't really increase the lethality of a weapon. Even with a special stock, it takes too much precision to be performed in a life-or-death situation. If you did get it to work you'd just end up with a wildly inaccurate and jam-prone weapon.


Another way to say this is that with a burst-fire weapon you're not used to you'll usually land the first shot and lose the rest of the burst.  The difference with bump firing is that you'll miss the first shot too, and it doesn't matter whether you're used to it or not because you're intentionally holding the weapon in a way that farks accuracy up the arse sideways with a pile driver.

It's basically worth trying if there's a bear literally chewing on your boot.  I wouldn't use it in a self-defense situation (or a murder, I guess) even if I was literally in barrel-whip range.

Or, to put it in even shorter terms, this is the long-arm version of aiming by holding the pistol sideways over your head with your wrist loose... and then carrying it in the waistband of your sweats just over your penis.
2013-08-21 12:04:44 AM
1 votes:
If you want to know anything about firearms, I found this amazing tool.  They call it the googles or some hipster shiat like that, you can find it here  http://www.google.com .  If you want to legislate something you know nothing about, you are the worst kind of ignorant asshole, a willfully ignorant asshole.
2013-08-21 12:02:13 AM
1 votes:

OhioUGrad: I'm going to become a hobbit. You cannot go anywhere anymore without fear of being shot.

/maybe just invest in a bullet proof vest


I've nearly given up working for change.  I've got a new idea.  Because we refuse to change laws then we have to change our thinking.  We need to accept random violent murder.
It's what our corporate overlords want.
2013-08-20 11:49:07 PM
1 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: This is why I oppose multiculturalism. Look at that gang.


The United Killers of Benetton.
2013-08-20 11:16:52 PM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: TuteTibiImperes: The father should absolutely be charged.  I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons.  If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.

And how would you find out who that weapon belonged to? That might involve some form of registration and we all know that while our hobbyist friends are terribly keen on protecting their rights, many go soft when it comes to accepting any responsibility or accountability.


Quit being a biatch unless you support registration of each bullet/brass combo. I mean like, identifying marks and such.

Because registration on a tube doesn't mean fark all..
2013-08-20 10:54:39 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Every American has a 1 in 500 chance of being shot in a given year. Not shot and killed, mind you. Just shot.
Linky linky???
Pretty please?


Why should I? You're a petulant little fark who couldn't stand losing an argument so you resorted to calling me obscenities a dozen times. I don't place anyone on ignore, but there are some people I'm simply not interested in replying to anymore. You are very close to being one.

/here's your farking link. Do the math: 467,300 / 320 million = .0015 = 0.2% (rounded) = 1 in 500.
//there. Now grow the fark up. Science is the best system we have and you are a god damn retard.
2013-08-20 10:37:36 PM
1 votes:

theflatline: JosephFinn: Supplied a minor with an illegal weapon.  Both he and the shop owner should be arrested.

Father bought it in his name, took it home.   Gun shop owner has nothing to do with this.

Do you think if a father bought his son a Ford pickup and the kid used it to run over people, that the dealership needs to be sued?  Or if my father buys a knife from Macys, and I stab someone with it, Macy's is responsible?


Wait....Macy's sells knives?

Which department? I'm always stuck sitting in a chair when my girlfriend shops.
2013-08-20 10:27:08 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: LordJiro: TuteTibiImperes: The father should absolutely be charged.  I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons.  If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.

This, even if your weapon is stolen. Unless a LOT of effort was made by the thief (like, stealing the whole gun safe), a stolen gun means you neglected your responsibilities as a gun owner.

So in this case, the guy kept letting his son walk with the weapon, I agree.

But what about me? My wife and I have no kids. No reason to have a gun safe, we both know how to use them.

You would arrest me if someone broke into my house and stole my property? What if my door was locked? Is that safe enough for you?


Gun legislation advocates might be ok with you storing it at the bottom of the Marianas trench as long as you cut the action in three pieces with an axy/acetylene torch first.
2013-08-20 10:23:24 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: TuteTibiImperes: Absolutely I would think you should bear some liability if your gun was used in a crime, even if it was stolen from your home, your vehicle, or taken from you while you were carrying concealed.  If that liability seems like too much for some people, maybe they will reconsider owning guns.  Depending on the circumstances I could see civil vs criminal penalties, but the threat of a weapon being stolen is reason enough to own a gun safe.  If you can't afford a gun safe, you can't afford a gun.

First, you're farking insane. In this hypothetical, you want to arrest me, the victim of a crime, for no other reason than being the victim of a crime.

So if someone stills my car and commits a crime with it, am I liable even though the doors were locked.

Second, do you have any idea how much a gun safe costs? Oh sure, a cheap sears model goes for $200, but you can get through those pretty easily. I have a feeling you want those guns really locked up, so you would need the heavy-walled, armored version, which start around $500.

Congratulations, you just priced poor people out of the market. Since many black people are poor, you also disenfranchised a significant percentage of African-Americans out of their constitutional rights, while allowing white people to purchase access to the same rights.

What's next, a poll-tax, you racist fark?


Holy crap, really?
2013-08-20 10:20:59 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Absolutely I would think you should bear some liability if your gun was used in a crime, even if it was stolen from your home, your vehicle, or taken from you while you were carrying concealed.  If that liability seems like too much for some people, maybe they will reconsider owning guns.  Depending on the circumstances I could see civil vs criminal penalties, but the threat of a weapon being stolen is reason enough to own a gun safe.  If you can't afford a gun safe, you can't afford a gun.


First, you're farking insane. In this hypothetical, you want to arrest me, the victim of a crime, for no other reason than being the victim of a crime.

So if someone stills my car and commits a crime with it, am I liable even though the doors were locked.

Second, do you have any idea how much a gun safe costs? Oh sure, a cheap sears model goes for $200, but you can get through those pretty easily. I have a feeling you want those guns really locked up, so you would need the heavy-walled, armored version, which start around $500.

Congratulations, you just priced poor people out of the market. Since many black people are poor, you also disenfranchised a significant percentage of African-Americans out of their constitutional rights, while allowing white people to purchase access to the same rights.

What's next, a poll-tax, you racist fark?
2013-08-20 09:57:53 PM
1 votes:
That gun is like the lowered Honda Civic of guns.
2013-08-20 09:46:01 PM
1 votes:

69gnarkill69: sheep snorter: Dang it 'Murica. What happened to you that bored white kids keep going about and killing people because killing relieves the boredom.

Oh yea right.....
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An Australian baseball player out for a jog in an Oklahoma neighborhood was shot and killed by three "bored" teenagers who decided to kill someone for fun, police said.

Silly white kids.


*that's* the part you focused on?

Go back to /b/.
2013-08-20 09:45:27 PM
1 votes:

MFAWG: I was assured in another thread that first grade is a good time to teach kids about firearms. That means this young man would have 8 to 10 years of experience, which should be plenty.


I've been a police officer and a owner of both handguns and rifles (I currently don't own any firearms as I sold them all when I moved to a nicer area).  I think it's ok to teach a kid about firearms (that they're dangerous, not to point a gun at a person, it's not a toy, etc).  My son watched me clean my handguns on the kitchen table when he was around 12.  Showed him how to handle a weapon (how to check if it's empty, clear it before handing it to someone else, etc)...but even then, I didn't take him shooting.

Personally, I don't think it's ok to take a first grader shooting a handgun.  I always kept my handguns locked up in a safe or with a trigger lock (I haven't hunted since before he was born so I haven't owned a rifle in more than 20 years).  I don't have a problem with parents taking their kids hunting around 12 or so...depending upon the maturity of the kid...it can be a cool bonding experience.  My son wasn't especially responsible (at least to my liking) and I stopped hunting before he was born.  As a result, I didn't take him target shooting with a handgun until he was a junior in high school (we rented).  He was brought up with a healthy respect for weapons.  Now he's 19 and in the Navy...he's definitely responsible (and a good shot).

I think what the father did in this case was recklessly irresponsible...his reckless disregard led to the murder of 2 people.
2013-08-20 09:40:18 PM
1 votes:
OhioUGrad: I'm going to become a hobbit.

/maybe just invest in a bullet proof vest


it's called Mithril, and I doubt you have enough dough.
2013-08-20 09:36:47 PM
1 votes:
This is why I oppose multiculturalism. Look at that gang.
2013-08-20 09:33:49 PM
1 votes:
Dang it 'Murica. What happened to you that bored white kids keep going about and killing people because killing relieves the boredom.

Oh yea right.....
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2013-08-20 09:32:24 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: The father should absolutely be charged.  I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons.  If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.


LOL that would mean people would have to take personal responsibility, and no one believes in THAT!
2013-08-20 09:32:04 PM
1 votes:
F*ck this. I'm going to go buy a couple extra rifles and a few thousand rounds to stock up because you KNOW they're coming for our guns after this one
2013-08-20 09:31:42 PM
1 votes:

sno man: doglover: Carbine = Handgun?

Are we going by the medieval definition where "handgun" means anything that doesn't require a sledge and oxen to move?

what subby's handgun looks like:
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I'm 6'5" 350 lbs... If the balance is pretty close to the grip I'd like to try firing that one handed. At least a a few rounds. We'd be sure to get the video on YouTube either way.
2013-08-20 09:29:45 PM
1 votes:

FrancoFile: Nice mug shots.  All that group needs is a pit bull and they'd be the 21st century meth-head version of Scooby Doo.


upload.wikimedia.org

???
2013-08-20 07:58:13 PM
1 votes:
"Oh, hi officer. See it's like this. Yes I did park my car at the top of that hill overlooking the orphanage and fireworks factory and no didn't apply the parking brake and yes I left a lit cigar in the back seat, but you can't possibly think of charging me for the collision and destruction of the fireworks factory and orphanage including the deaths of all inside, it was the car that slid down the hill!!"
2013-08-20 07:52:56 PM
1 votes:
Hey Subby:

The man is accused of knowingly allowing his son to take a weapon from his home to shoot people with, not purchasing a weapon.

Purchasing a weapon for your son = totes legalsies

Letting your child remove your weapon from your property to repeatedly commit murder = totes not legalsies

Read the farking article
2013-08-20 07:51:12 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: doglover: Carbine = Handgun?

Are we going by the medieval definition where "handgun" means anything that doesn't require a sledge and oxen to move?

Googling around it appears this is what a Hi-Point .45 Carbine looks like:

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And I thought all the gun nuts were assuring us that people didn't buy assault rifles to hunt and kill other people.


*tiny fist, and all that*
2013-08-20 07:28:34 PM
1 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: Makes sense to me. He enabled someone to be irresponsible with a gun he owned. Imagine of the dad had let his son drive the dad's car without a license and the kid ended up intentionally running someone over with it?


I agree.  He should never have done it in the first place, and he should have locked the gun in a safe the moment he fund out the kid was sneaking it out of the house to go shooting.

That said...  Lothar?  Konrad?  Are they white supremacists, or recent German immigrants?
 
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