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(Orlando Sentinel)   Fifteen-year-old boy who murdered two people with a handgun got the weapon from his father, who took him gun shopping and let him pick out which gun he wanted. Naturally police have arrested the father   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 318
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2013-08-21 09:22:12 AM
Based on those admissions, Lothar Schafer faces a felony charge of culpable negligence for allegedly leaving a loaded firearm within easy access of a minor who uses it to injure or kill someone, records show. He also faces a misdemeanor charge of allowing unlawful possession of a firearm.

The younger Schafer is being tried as an adult and is facing two counts of first-degree murder in the June shooting death of David Guerrero and subsequent killing in July of 22-year-old Eric Roopnarine.


Not that I really object, but I just find it strange that they can, on one hand, charge the father because his son is a minor, while simultaneously ignoring the fact that he's a minor so they can charge him as an adult... It's like legal cognitive dissonance...
 
2013-08-21 09:52:19 AM
After his arrest, Konrad Schafer told police he shot and killed David Guerrero for "fun" around dawn June 26 while the teen walked to a bus stop on his way to work.

life without parole for this motherfarking little prick.
 
2013-08-21 10:19:25 AM

I_Like_Pie: No that isn't a bump fire stock....no it isn't a submachine gun.  No it isn't any type of assault weapon.  Most all full size semi-auto centerfire pistols these days pack more firepower than this firearm you ignorant dolts are freaking out about.

It is a high point carbine

That thing is basically the bottom rung of the firearms spectrum.  It is make of plastic and the pot metal used in die cast cars, uses a blowback design that makes a heavy and cumbersome action, and is basically something that an idiot who doesn't have much money buys to look like a mall ninja.

They aren't crap and are generally reliable, cheap, and have a good factory warranty.   However it is of no real practical use for much of anything.  I sold one I picked up on a trade (gen 1 even uglier than that one) for $150 about 2 years ago.


How is it any less useful than any other personally owned firearm? Most people have no need to own ANY firearm, but if they have one that fires ammunition, then it is at least as useful as any other weapon.

/grew up with and around guns.  had my own rifle at , what, 12? 13?  Was picked on quite a bit in school (would have been much worse if not for a jock brother that didn't let it get out of hand - thanks, bro, you really don't know how much my pasty white ass appreciated it) but even when it was bad, I never considered shooting anyone.  It would have been child's play - step-dad had a large gun cabinet, fully stocked with rifles, hand guns, muzzle loaders, shotguns, and it was never locked, and this being the 80's, there were no trigger guards.  hell, we would make small "bombs" with gunpowder and notebook paper (said jock brother once blew his eyebrows off when one of our "bombs" went off in his face) and never really hurt anyone and never even had the idea to hurt anyone.  I was taught to respect firearms at a very early age.
 
2013-08-21 10:56:30 AM

TuteTibiImperes: You can't seriously argue that we don't have a major problem with gun violence compared to other first world industrialized nations.


Note the footnote on that graph--OECD nations <b>Excluding Mexico</b>.  In other words, they altered their data to make the US look worst.  Be very leery of OECD data for this reason, it's often deceptive.
 
2013-08-21 11:01:22 AM

Loren: TuteTibiImperes: You can't seriously argue that we don't have a major problem with gun violence compared to other first world industrialized nations.

Note the footnote on that graph--OECD nations <b>Excluding Mexico</b>.  In other words, they altered their data to make the US look worst.  Be very leery of OECD data for this reason, it's often deceptive.


'We're not as bad as Mexico' isn't exactly an achievement level to be proud of.
 
2013-08-21 11:06:44 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Loren: TuteTibiImperes: You can't seriously argue that we don't have a major problem with gun violence compared to other first world industrialized nations.

Note the footnote on that graph--OECD nations <b>Excluding Mexico</b>.  In other words, they altered their data to make the US look worst.  Be very leery of OECD data for this reason, it's often deceptive.

'We're not as bad as Mexico' isn't exactly an achievement level to be proud of.


You know what they say. "Poor America -- so far from God, so close to Mexico."
 
2013-08-21 11:09:54 AM

Surool: The father should be arrested. What is the problem?


Subby's probably of the 'if they're over ten charge 'em like they're adults' school of thought. Never mind the  overwhelming amount of evidence that teenagers, especially teen boys, are basically brain-damaged and DO GET BETTER, locking teens up is just the natural thing to do for these people. Rehabilitation? What's this fancy book-lernin' word you're usin'?

/If they aren't legally adults, you cannot charge them as adults. If you want to be able to charge them as adults, you are putting the responsibility of adulthood on them--so you damn well better give them the privileges of adulthood, too.
 
2013-08-21 11:47:59 AM

PsiChick: Surool: The father should be arrested. What is the problem?

Subby's probably of the 'if they're over ten charge 'em like they're a

Tesla coil ...

/Fixed for my amusement.
 
2013-08-21 12:35:27 PM

Dextro: This is a semi-auto gun that fires a .45 ACP (a pistol round) and people in this thread have called it an assault rifle? Dear God.


A pistol round is exactly the type of round you'd want to kill a large number of people at a short range. I don't think the people wanting to ban assault weapons are concerned about weapons that fire slowly at long range, they're concerned about the weapons that fire rapidly at close range.

"Assault rifle" is admittedly one of the worst terms given to the type of weapon they're looking to ban, but your argument is a typical dishonest bullshiat argument you get from idiots who think they need their guns because "the gubmint is gonna come for em, then they gonna put you in the FEMA coffins".
 
2013-08-21 02:51:12 PM

Marcintosh: OhioUGrad: I'm going to become a hobbit. You cannot go anywhere anymore without fear of being shot.

/maybe just invest in a bullet proof vest

I've nearly given up working for change.  I've got a new idea.  Because we refuse to change laws then we have to change our thinking.  We need to accept random violent murder.
It's what our corporate overlords want.


I still want my bullet proof vest.
 
2013-08-21 03:17:32 PM
No quibble there.
What size?
 
2013-08-21 09:05:00 PM

Amos Quito: Cerebral Knievel:

MFAWG: See my previous post. You have to wait for somebodies TF to expire before you can renew them. Since I don't obsessively follow Elegy's status, I didn't realize his had expired.

But thanks for your input.

got it, And I understand.. ... that persons TF has now expired.. are you going to now honor the bet?


remember to always do sober what you said you would do when drunk, that teaches you to keep your fool mouth shut.

Not that I am actually calling you a fool, nor,actually a punk despite my previous comment. All I'm saying $5 keeps this shiat honest. despite everything.. there are actual people and personalities behind these letters.


Well said, my good sir, and in my experience, there is no better Farker to have said it.


/Still looking for the "Legendary" beer
//Have yet to locate
///Will update

Oh, and thanks again!


Actually wasn't... that drunk that particualar night, just wanted to reward a comment that made me snort... and the timing worked out to easily respect my promise...

I understand that it isn't always as easy as checking one's email and saying OH YEAH!!

And if you turn into a customer by happenstance, then all the better.. it's good will... something this world seems to be lacking nowadays.

your profile is a bit... vague for location... but as per our prior talks about the matter, the beer I help make is usually distributed by distribution companies that also sell AB products. as AB distributors tend to be more craft friendly then SABmiller/coors distributors.

Elegy: slayer199: Elegy: Think you replied to the wrong person.

And it's a month of TF, not a year, according to the terms I originally laid out and you accepted

How did I get sucked into this?

Innocent bystander. I think you were the guy MFAWG replied to first.

Given that its been 12 hours and no TF on my end, I'm pretty sure he's not going to pay up.

Always sad to meet a welcher.


got ya covered.

it's payday... either that of a wee bottle of cheap whiskey.

Also, these folks will be featuring us in January I think
 
2013-08-21 09:06:17 PM
man, completely hosed that thread format...

fark it.. have fun folks.
 
2013-08-21 09:54:56 PM

give me doughnuts: TuteTibiImperes: doglover: Carbine = Handgun?

Are we going by the medieval definition where "handgun" means anything that doesn't require a sledge and oxen to move?

Googling around it appears this is what a Hi-Point .45 Carbine looks like:

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And I thought all the gun nuts were assuring us that people didn't buy assault rifles to hunt and kill other people.


It's not an assault rifle. It's a cheap .45-caliber carbine dressed up as something out of a video game.


So it's ok then?
 
2013-08-21 11:43:01 PM
Duly noted  :)
 
2013-08-21 11:43:37 PM

Cerebral Knievel: Amos Quito: Cerebral Knievel:

MFAWG: See my previous post. You have to wait for somebodies TF to expire before you can renew them. Since I don't obsessively follow Elegy's status, I didn't realize his had expired.

But thanks for your input.

got it, And I understand.. ... that persons TF has now expired.. are you going to now honor the bet?


remember to always do sober what you said you would do when drunk, that teaches you to keep your fool mouth shut.

Not that I am actually calling you a fool, nor,actually a punk despite my previous comment. All I'm saying $5 keeps this shiat honest. despite everything.. there are actual people and personalities behind these letters.


Well said, my good sir, and in my experience, there is no better Farker to have said it.


/Still looking for the "Legendary" beer
//Have yet to locate
///Will update

Oh, and thanks again!

Actually wasn't... that drunk that particualar night, just wanted to reward a comment that made me snort... and the timing worked out to easily respect my promise...

I understand that it isn't always as easy as checking one's email and saying OH YEAH!!

And if you turn into a customer by happenstance, then all the better.. it's good will... something this world seems to be lacking nowadays.

your profile is a bit... vague for location... but as per our prior talks about the matter, the beer I help make is usually distributed by distribution companies that also sell AB products. as AB distributors tend to be more craft friendly then SABmiller/coors distributors.Elegy: slayer199: Elegy: Think you replied to the wrong person.

And it's a month of TF, not a year, according to the terms I originally laid out and you accepted

How did I get sucked into this?

Innocent bystander. I think you were the guy MFAWG replied to first.

Given that its been 12 hours and no TF on my end, I'm pretty sure he's not going to pay up.

Always sad to meet a welcher.

got ya covered.

it's payday... either that of a wee bottle of c ...

 
2013-08-22 02:24:45 AM

Cerebral Knievel: Well said, my good sir, and in my experience, there is no better Farker to have said it.


/Still looking for the "Legendary" beer
//Have yet to locate
///Will update

Oh, and thanks again!

Actually wasn't... that drunk that particualar night, just wanted to reward a comment that made me snort... and the timing worked out to easily respect my promise...

I understand that it isn't always as easy as checking one's email and saying OH YEAH!!

And if you turn into a customer by happenstance, then all the better.. it's good will... something this world seems to be lacking nowadays.

your profile is a bit... vague for location... but as per our prior talks about the matter, the beer I help make is usually distributed by distribution companies that also sell AB products. as AB distributors tend to be more craft friendly then SABmiller/coors distributors

.


Started to write you an email, but a buddy called, and I kept drinkin' while talkin'.

Too late and too tired to finish tonight.

Maybe tomorrow

;-)
 
2013-08-22 03:41:56 AM

Cerebral Knievel: Amos Quito: Cerebral Knievel:

MFAWG: See my previous post. You have to wait for somebodies TF to expire before you can renew them. Since I don't obsessively follow Elegy's status, I didn't realize his had expired.

But thanks for your input.

got it, And I understand.. ... that persons TF has now expired.. are you going to now honor the bet?


remember to always do sober what you said you would do when drunk, that teaches you to keep your fool mouth shut.

Not that I am actually calling you a fool, nor,actually a punk despite my previous comment. All I'm saying $5 keeps this shiat honest. despite everything.. there are actual people and personalities behind these letters.


Well said, my good sir, and in my experience, there is no better Farker to have said it.


/Still looking for the "Legendary" beer
//Have yet to locate
///Will update

Oh, and thanks again!

Actually wasn't... that drunk that particualar night, just wanted to reward a comment that made me snort... and the timing worked out to easily respect my promise...

I understand that it isn't always as easy as checking one's email and saying OH YEAH!!

And if you turn into a customer by happenstance, then all the better.. it's good will... something this world seems to be lacking nowadays.

your profile is a bit... vague for location... but as per our prior talks about the matter, the beer I help make is usually distributed by distribution companies that also sell AB products. as AB distributors tend to be more craft friendly then SABmiller/coors distributors.Elegy: slayer199: Elegy: Think you replied to the wrong person.

And it's a month of TF, not a year, according to the terms I originally laid out and you accepted

How did I get sucked into this?

Innocent bystander. I think you were the guy MFAWG replied to first.

Given that its been 12 hours and no TF on my end, I'm pretty sure he's not going to pay up.

Always sad to meet a welcher.

got ya covered.

it's payday... either that of a wee bottle of cheap whiskey.

Also, these folks will be featuring us in January I think


Holy fark, thanks man! I really appreciate it...
 
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