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(Orlando Sentinel)   Fifteen-year-old boy who murdered two people with a handgun got the weapon from his father, who took him gun shopping and let him pick out which gun he wanted. Naturally police have arrested the father   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 318
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2013-08-20 11:04:56 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Hey trollmitter:  Screw you and screw the trollmin who approved this trollline.


Agreed. These trolltastic headlines are getting annoying.
 
2013-08-20 11:05:53 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Dude, that includes muggings, brandishings, and all other firearm crimes that do not necessarily involve anybody being shot.


It doesn't include unreported shootings either (how can it), so who knows what the real figure is.

Point is it shouldn't be any. Australia once had a mass shooting. It shocked everybody. In response, they banned guns. Now there is no more gun violence.

Your country is culturally broken.
 
2013-08-20 11:08:51 PM

Ishkur: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dude, that includes muggings, brandishings, and all other firearm crimes that do not necessarily involve anybody being shot.

It doesn't include unreported shootings either (how can it), so who knows what the real figure is.

Point is it shouldn't be any. Australia once had a mass shooting. It shocked everybody. In response, they banned guns. Now there is no more gun violence.

Your country is culturally broken.


A country that allows a handful of people to dictate policy by proxy is the one I'd say is culturally broken.

All gun violence is gone in Australia?  Citation needed.

I'm going to assume you meant that were no more mass shootings. New Zealand didn't ban anything and they too managed not to have any mass shootings in 20+ years.
 
2013-08-20 11:09:14 PM
...I'm a pretty big gun rights advocate, but that dad was clearly an irresponsible moron.
 
2013-08-20 11:09:46 PM

Elegy: Free speech was never intended to include hate speech. I have no problem with regulating free speech over and above the other amendments.


I disagree.  Primarily because it becomes a problem with who decides what is considered hate speech.  I've heard people call a statement that merely disagreed with their stance hate speech.

Nope.  The 1st protects hate speech.  On the plus side, when people spew their bile publicly, we know exactly who to look for when the revolution comes.  I'm looking at you Fred Phelps.
 
2013-08-20 11:09:56 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Ishkur: Amos Quito: Every American has a 1 in 500 chance of being shot in a given year. Not shot and killed, mind you. Just shot.
Linky linky???
Pretty please?

Why should I? You're a petulant little fark who couldn't stand losing an argument so you resorted to calling me obscenities a dozen times. I don't place anyone on ignore, but there are some people I'm simply not interested in replying to anymore. You are very close to being one.

/here's your farking link. Do the math: 467,300 / 320 million = .0015 = 0.2% (rounded) = 1 in 500.
//there. Now grow the fark up. Science is the best system we have and you are a god damn retard.

Dude, that includes muggings, brandishings, and all other firearm crimes that do not necessarily involve anybody being shot.


Possession of a concealed weapon, hunting without a license, etc;
 
2013-08-20 11:13:15 PM

Ishkur: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dude, that includes muggings, brandishings, and all other firearm crimes that do not necessarily involve anybody being shot.

It doesn't include unreported shootings either (how can it), so who knows what the real figure is.

Point is it shouldn't be any. Australia once had a mass shooting. It shocked everybody. In response, they banned guns. Now there is no more gun violence.

Your country is culturally broken.


Are you serious, if you have any google fu skills you see the crime level went up after the gun ban.
 
2013-08-20 11:13:43 PM

pedrop357: TuteTibiImperes: The 2nd amendment was designed to allow civilian ownership of weapons for the purposes of forming a well regulated militia. The words militia and regulated are right in the text. Overly broad readings by the Supreme Court have allowed it to expand such that everyone thinks they have the constitutional right to own a damned armory in their rec-room.

Kinda hard to have a militia when the government can disarm it..  Also, can you explain how the right of the people is limited just to militia weapons?


We have a permanent standing military, we no longer have a need for a militia.  Ideally the 2nd amendment should join the 3rd as an obscure bit of law that doesn't matter anymore, and the guns could be rounded up and destroyed.

Elegy:
Germany != the US. Last I checked, Germany didn't have a right to bear arms in its constitution.

Again, if you want to repeal the second amendment, get your talking points in order and go for it. That's your right in a democracy and I have no problem with it.

Instead, you admittedly want to nickel and dime gun owners out of their constitutional rights. That, I have a problem with.

You also want to set up a situation which will disproportionately disenfranchise poor people over rich people.

That, I have a BIG problem with. Are you racist, or do you just think poor people are too prone to crime to lawfully exercise their constitutional rights?


Germany is not the US, correct, but we could try looking to the rest of the world and learning from countries that have found ways to balance firearm possession with public safety more effectively that we have.

I'm for all gun owners having to face hard decisions about whether or not they keep their guns, financial disincentives may effect the poor more, but they would discourage most people.

One of the most effective methods the anti-smoking crusaders have used to stop smoking is raising the taxes on cigarettes to the point where they're becoming more and more unfordable.  It's what prompted me to quite.  It's effective, and we could use it on guns.

Elegy: Free speech was never intended to include hate speech. I have no problem with regulating free speech over and above the other amendments.

The right to a fair trail was never intended to allow murderers and child molestors to walk free. I have no problem with regulating the 4th amendment over and above the others.

Etc...

Again, you want to repeal the 2nd? Go for it.

But you don't, because that is too hard. Instead, you take the cowards way and want to legislate it out of existence.


The text of the 1st, 4th, etc, make no such distinctions.  The text of the 2nd does.  Ideally I'd love to see it repealed, but in the current social and political climate it would be impossible.  Reducing the peoples' idea that they have the right to own an armory in their home over time though, that will eventually make it possible.
 
2013-08-20 11:14:08 PM

PunGent: Was it, in fact, illegal?


Interestingly, that's not a straightforward question. Florida law requires parental consent before giving a minor a firearm, but otherwise doesn't place an age restriction on ownership. Clearly this kid had parental consent to owning the firearm.

They do prohibit the transfer of a weapon to any person "of unsound mind", but it sounds like the father did not allow the kid to have the gun after the first shooting.

In this light, I conclude that the ownership of the gun by the minor was not illegal (that is, it was not an illegal gun). However:

A minor less than 18 years of age may not possess a firearm, other than an unloaded firearm at his home, unless engaged in lawful activities.

In this context, the minor's use of the gun was clearly illegal, even if he had not shot anyone. As to whether or not the father is liable for how his son used the weapon... Florida law says the following, in addition to any other laws that deal with the safe storage of dangerous items:

It is unlawful to store or leave a firearm in any place within reach or easy access of a person less than 18 years of age. This provision does not apply to:
*A firearm stored in a securely locked box or container, or in a location which a reasonable person would have believed to be secure, or securely locked with a trigger lock;
*A minor who obtains a firearm by means of unlawful entry by any person;
*Minors engaged in a lawful marksmanship competition or practice or other lawful recreational shooting activity;
*Any person carrying the firearm on his or her body or within such close proximity thereto that he or she can retrieve and use it as easily and quickly as if he or she carried it on his or her body.

Whoever, through culpable negligence, stores or leaves a loaded firearm within the reach or easy access of a minor less than 16 years of age commits a felony of the third degree, if the minor obtains the firearm and uses it to inflict injury or death upon himself or herself or any other person.  This subsection does not apply:
*If the firearm was stored or left in a securely locked box or container or in a location which a reasonable person would have believed to be secure, or was securely locked with a trigger lock;
*If the minor obtains the firearm as a result of an unlawful entry by any person;
*To injuries resulting from target or sport shooting accidents or hunting accidents; or
*To members of the Armed Forces, National Guard, or State Militia, or to police or other law enforcement officers, with respect to firearm possession by a minor which occurs during or incidental to the performance of their official duties.


So it really comes down to whether the father stored it in a locked container, and if so, whether the child had to circumvent any lock or other safety feature to gain access to the weapon.
 
2013-08-20 11:15:29 PM

OgreMagi: Elegy: Free speech was never intended to include hate speech. I have no problem with regulating free speech over and above the other amendments.

I disagree.  Primarily because it becomes a problem with who decides what is considered hate speech.  I've heard people call a statement that merely disagreed with their stance hate speech.

Nope.  The 1st protects hate speech.  On the plus side, when people spew their bile publicly, we know exactly who to look for when the revolution comes.  I'm looking at you Fred Phelps.


So who decides what "too many guns" are?
 
2013-08-20 11:16:32 PM

TuteTibiImperes: We have a permanent standing military, we no longer have a need for a militia. Ideally the 2nd amendment should join the 3rd as an obscure bit of law that doesn't matter anymore, and the guns could be rounded up and destroyed.


Well, that's not going to happen until the constitution is amended and will ultimately be decided by the survivors of the subsequent revolution.

At least I know you've truly earned your 'Retard red' coloring.
 
2013-08-20 11:16:36 PM

Ishkur: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dude, that includes muggings, brandishings, and all other firearm crimes that do not necessarily involve anybody being shot.

It doesn't include unreported shootings either (how can it), so who knows what the real figure is.

Point is it shouldn't be any. Australia once had a mass shooting. It shocked everybody. In response, they banned guns. Now there is no more gun violence.

Your country is culturally broken.


Sounds like you guys would love the Patriot Act.
 
2013-08-20 11:16:47 PM

pedrop357: All gun violence is gone in Australia? Citation needed.


I believe I just posted one.

pedrop357: New Zealand didn't ban anything and they too managed not to have any mass shootings in 20+ years.


That's because there's nothing to shoot in New Zealand, except sheep and hobbits.
 
2013-08-20 11:16:52 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: TuteTibiImperes: The father should absolutely be charged.  I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons.  If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.

And how would you find out who that weapon belonged to? That might involve some form of registration and we all know that while our hobbyist friends are terribly keen on protecting their rights, many go soft when it comes to accepting any responsibility or accountability.


Quit being a biatch unless you support registration of each bullet/brass combo. I mean like, identifying marks and such.

Because registration on a tube doesn't mean fark all..
 
2013-08-20 11:16:56 PM

scottydoesntknow: Amos Quito: OgreMagi: theflatline: JosephFinn: Supplied a minor with an illegal weapon.  Both he and the shop owner should be arrested.

Father bought it in his name, took it home.   Gun shop owner has nothing to do with this.

Do you think if a father bought his son a Ford pickup and the kid used it to run over people, that the dealership needs to be sued?  Or if my father buys a knife from Macys, and I stab someone with it, Macy's is responsible?

If the kid had already purposely ran over someone with that Ford pickup and the father didn't take away the damn keys, then yeah.

The gun dealer, however, can't be held at fault so long as it was sold legally.


Wait, is there reason to believe that the father KNEW that his son had shot the pedestrian, yet continued to allow access?

Link?

Thanks.

...it's in the article.

"Lothar learned of one of Konrad's shootings and took the firearm away from him," the affidavit stated. "However, Konrad was able to access it again and continue to commit shootings with it. ...



Also FTA: "The rifle was used in multiple shooting incidents in Osceola County...including in the shooting death of 17-year-old David Guerrero,'' a police statement said."


There were several incidents of the kid farking up. There is no indication that the father knew that his son had shot and murdered someone.

Not buying that spin, sorry - and apparently the cops don't believe that either - OTHERWISE he'd already be charged with accessory to murder, wouldn't he?

This sounds like the media bullshiat gang-bang that followed the Trayvon Martin incident.

No sale.
 
2013-08-20 11:20:13 PM

jafiwam: You can't tell what a bump fire stock is with three pictures or not, and you are a "pro gun" guy?

What? Are you a "pro gun for other people but Cyano01 guy?"

pfft.


The_Original_Roxtar: 1, not a "bump fire stock".. just a plastic stock
2, if you were "pro gun" you'd know how to recognize a stock configured for bump firing
3, if you were "pro gun" you'd know that any semi-auto weapon can be "bump fired" (with varying degrees of difficulty)
4, yeah, a 15 year old should not have unsupervised access to any firearm.


Ok, i am pro gun rights, i have what i consider an average level of firearms knowledge but i am not a gun enthusiast. Im not gay nor do i know the intricacies of gay sex, but i can support gay rights, right? Im a broke student and couldnt afford any guns right now if i felt the want or need. I understand that any semi auto can be bump fired to a degree, but the three things on the butt of the stock look like they could be springs and "Internal Recoil Buffer In Stock" is listed among the features, ill admit i dont know exactly what that means.
 
2013-08-20 11:20:40 PM
This seems like, on the face, "yee haw show them bullies!"

Armed dummies and their spawn.

Remove them from the gene pool. Even contrarians can agree...right?

/yeah right.
 
2013-08-20 11:21:09 PM
If the other kids had been armed, this wouldn't have happened.

Maybe then they would have had a better "shot"
 
2013-08-20 11:23:36 PM

muck4doo: Sounds like you guys would love the Patriot Act.


Why? What does it have to do with gun legislation?
 
2013-08-20 11:25:22 PM

Cyno01: jafiwam: You can't tell what a bump fire stock is with three pictures or not, and you are a "pro gun" guy?

What? Are you a "pro gun for other people but Cyano01 guy?"

pfft.

The_Original_Roxtar: 1, not a "bump fire stock".. just a plastic stock
2, if you were "pro gun" you'd know how to recognize a stock configured for bump firing
3, if you were "pro gun" you'd know that any semi-auto weapon can be "bump fired" (with varying degrees of difficulty)
4, yeah, a 15 year old should not have unsupervised access to any firearm.

Ok, i am pro gun rights, i have what i consider an average level of firearms knowledge but i am not a gun enthusiast. Im not gay nor do i know the intricacies of gay sex, but i can support gay rights, right? Im a broke student and couldnt afford any guns right now if i felt the want or need. I understand that any semi auto can be bump fired to a degree, but the three things on the butt of the stock look like they could be springs and "Internal Recoil Buffer In Stock" is listed among the features, ill admit i dont know exactly what that means.


I am not gay but I understand the intricacies of gay sex.

Gays have one less hole to stick it it into.
 
2013-08-20 11:26:01 PM

Elegy: LordJiro: TuteTibiImperes: The father should absolutely be charged.  I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons.  If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.

This, even if your weapon is stolen. Unless a LOT of effort was made by the thief (like, stealing the whole gun safe), a stolen gun means you neglected your responsibilities as a gun owner.

So in this case, the guy kept letting his son walk with the weapon, I agree.

But what about me? My wife and I have no kids. No reason to have a gun safe, we both know how to use them.

You would arrest me if someone broke into my house and stole my property? What if my door was locked? Is that safe enough for you?


I'd be OK with the Marine Corps's standards. Double-locked when left unattended.

No, that doesn't mean two padlocks on a chain, that means two separate layers of locking container. A locked trunk inside of a solidly-constructed, locked closet would be good.

... or a safe.
 
2013-08-20 11:27:21 PM

Cyno01: Ok, i am pro gun rights, i have what i consider an average level of firearms knowledge but i am not a gun enthusiast. Im not gay nor do i know the intricacies of gay sex, but i can support gay rights, right? Im a broke student and couldnt afford any guns right now if i felt the want or need. I understand that any semi auto can be bump fired to a degree, but the three things on the butt of the stock look like they could be springs and "Internal Recoil Buffer In Stock" is listed among the features, ill admit i dont know exactly what that means.


Don't pay attention to them. For some, it's like star trek fans flipping out because you don't know the series back and forth. I hear ya.

And I think the Rhino in the background is a blown-up picture :)
 
2013-08-20 11:28:07 PM
 
2013-08-20 11:30:28 PM

Amos Quito: "Lothar learned of one of Konrad's shootings and took the firearm away from him," the affidavit stated. "However, Konrad was able to access it again and continue to commit shootings with it. ...


Also FTA: "The rifle was used in multiple shooting incidents in Osceola County...including in the shooting death of 17-year-old David Guerrero,'' a police statement said."


There were several incidents of the kid farking up. There is no indication that the father knew that his son had shot and murdered someone.

Not buying that spin, sorry - and apparently the cops don't believe that either - OTHERWISE he'd already be charged with accessory to murder, wouldn't he?

This sounds like the media bullshiat gang-bang that followed the Trayvon Martin incident.

No sale.


Seriously? If I found out my kid was involved in ANY shooting of ANY kind, I would flip shiat and remove any possibility of him touching another firearm until he/she is out of my house. He was negligent as fark, doesn't matter if the one he knew about was the murder or one of the other shootings.
 
2013-08-20 11:31:38 PM

theflatline: Cyno01: jafiwam: You can't tell what a bump fire stock is with three pictures or not, and you are a "pro gun" guy?

What? Are you a "pro gun for other people but Cyano01 guy?"

pfft.

The_Original_Roxtar: 1, not a "bump fire stock".. just a plastic stock
2, if you were "pro gun" you'd know how to recognize a stock configured for bump firing
3, if you were "pro gun" you'd know that any semi-auto weapon can be "bump fired" (with varying degrees of difficulty)
4, yeah, a 15 year old should not have unsupervised access to any firearm.

Ok, i am pro gun rights, i have what i consider an average level of firearms knowledge but i am not a gun enthusiast. Im not gay nor do i know the intricacies of gay sex, but i can support gay rights, right? Im a broke student and couldnt afford any guns right now if i felt the want or need. I understand that any semi auto can be bump fired to a degree, but the three things on the butt of the stock look like they could be springs and "Internal Recoil Buffer In Stock" is listed among the features, ill admit i dont know exactly what that means.

I am not gay but I understand the intricacies of gay sex.

Gays have one less hole to stick it it into.


Well thats the basics, i assume theres intricacies, like theres probably a specific lube choice depending on the butthole, and how they decide who goes first, and that penis to penis thing if one of the guys is uncircumcised... I mean does not knowing the hankerchief code disqualify me from wanting them to be able to get married and adopt children?
 
2013-08-20 11:32:38 PM

scottydoesntknow: Seriously? If I found out my kid was involved in ANY shooting of ANY kind, I would flip shiat and remove any possibility of him touching another firearm until he/she is out of my house. He was negligent as fark, doesn't matter if the one he knew about was the murder or one of the other shootings.


If my kid was involved in a shooting, there'd be no chance for him to be involved in a second, because I'd be marching his ass down to the police station.
 
2013-08-20 11:36:24 PM

pedrop357: TuteTibiImperes: We have a permanent standing military, we no longer have a need for a militia. Ideally the 2nd amendment should join the 3rd as an obscure bit of law that doesn't matter anymore, and the guns could be rounded up and destroyed.

Well, that's not going to happen until the constitution is amended and will ultimately be decided by the survivors of the subsequent revolution.

At least I know you've truly earned your 'Retard red' coloring.


OK, as soon as someone brings up violent uprisings I can safely conclude that they're not garden variety gun nuts, but full on sociopaths.
 
2013-08-20 11:37:11 PM

Government Fromage: scottydoesntknow: Seriously? If I found out my kid was involved in ANY shooting of ANY kind, I would flip shiat and remove any possibility of him touching another firearm until he/she is out of my house. He was negligent as fark, doesn't matter if the one he knew about was the murder or one of the other shootings.

If my kid was involved in a shooting, there'd be no chance for him to be involved in a second, because I'd be marching his ass down to the police station.


Lol, yep I'm sure he'd let you.

School shooters can, but don't necessarily have poor parenting.
 
2013-08-20 11:38:21 PM

Cyno01: I understand that any semi auto can be bump fired to a degree, but the three things on the butt of the stock look like they could be springs and "Internal Recoil Buffer In Stock" is listed among the features, ill admit i dont know exactly what that means.


Bumpfiring is just a little trick where you work with the recoil action of the gun to pull the trigger rapidly (far more rapidly than anyone could achieve otherwise).

1) Hold your finger steady
2) Pull the gun forward (away from you) slightly
3) The action of the gun moving forward causes your finger to pull the trigger
4) The recoil pushes the gun backward (toward your body), but your slight forward pull arrests this movement and pushes your finger back into the trigger
5) The gun now fires as long as you pull the gun forward

The only things necessary for bump firing is a semi-automatic weapon and someplace that you're able to securely grip the weapon without interfering with the operation, typically this is the foregrip on a rifle/carbine. Most handguns don't have enough purchase to permit this. The technique can be difficult to master, and typically requires holding the gun in an awkward position.

The "bump fire stock" you refer to (also known as SlideFire) allows the stock to slide back and forth about an inch or so. In essence, it takes the difficulty out of learning the exact position and amount of pull that is necessary for bumpfiring. The reason they're legal is because, technically, each single pull of the trigger results in exactly one bullet being fired. They're just a very efficient method for pulling the trigger.

The "internal recoil buffer in stock" is just a spring that lessens the amount of recoil felt by the shooter. It has nothing to do with being able to bumpfire a firearm.
 
2013-08-20 11:38:34 PM

Cyno01: theflatline: Cyno01: jafiwam: You can't tell what a bump fire stock is with three pictures or not, and you are a "pro gun" guy?

What? Are you a "pro gun for other people but Cyano01 guy?"

pfft.

The_Original_Roxtar: 1, not a "bump fire stock".. just a plastic stock
2, if you were "pro gun" you'd know how to recognize a stock configured for bump firing
3, if you were "pro gun" you'd know that any semi-auto weapon can be "bump fired" (with varying degrees of difficulty)
4, yeah, a 15 year old should not have unsupervised access to any firearm.

Ok, i am pro gun rights, i have what i consider an average level of firearms knowledge but i am not a gun enthusiast. Im not gay nor do i know the intricacies of gay sex, but i can support gay rights, right? Im a broke student and couldnt afford any guns right now if i felt the want or need. I understand that any semi auto can be bump fired to a degree, but the three things on the butt of the stock look like they could be springs and "Internal Recoil Buffer In Stock" is listed among the features, ill admit i dont know exactly what that means.

I am not gay but I understand the intricacies of gay sex.

Gays have one less hole to stick it it into.

Well thats the basics, i assume theres intricacies, like theres probably a specific lube choice depending on the butthole, and how they decide who goes first, and that penis to penis thing if one of the guys is uncircumcised... I mean does not knowing the hankerchief code disqualify me from wanting them to be able to get married and adopt children?


Hahahaha, did you ever see the Pacino flick Cruising?  Al is an undercover cop trying to find a gay serial killer, and he enjoys it a little too much.

There is a scene in the flick where his first night out he has a yellow kerchief  in his back pocket and this giant bear says "hey your into watersports" and Al says no and the giant guy says "then take the shiat out of your pocket"

And tom Selleck was an Extra.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-20 11:39:25 PM

Amos Quito: Dextro: This is a semi-auto gun that fires a .45 ACP (a pistol round) and people in this thread have called it an assault rifle? Dear God.


[www.bigheadsays.com image 272x300]

Diane would call it an "assault rifle".

And don't you DARE question Diane.


questioning would require that she be capable of answering... and Dianne Feinstein doesn't know the first thing about firearms.
 
2013-08-20 11:40:09 PM
1. As mentioned, a carbine is not a "handgun", it's a short-stocked, usually short-barreled long gun (typically a rifle) that still requires two hands to fire but was originally designed to fit conveniently in a saddle holster for use by cavalry and later shepherds and cow-men.  Since they're designed around being fired off a horse anyhow so precision isn't going to be high, many of them use high-caliber ammo with high stopping power, which makes them popular in paramilitary/military applications as well as mid-range target shooting.  To that extent, the handgun comparison is valid-- the original purpose of the design was to hit human-scale critters like wolves and cougars and actual humans, so the danger if it's pointed at a person is pretty damned apparent.

2. There is not a state in the union where providing a minor unsupervised access to a loaded firearm isn't some form of felony.  Usually it's a class-A felony for 14- and under, and class-B or lower as you get closer to 18.  Note that "loaded" is the operative word here, in most states you can let your 4-year old sleep with her twelve-gauge if you want and that's fine, but if there's a shell sitting on a shelf in the same room you're looking at potential prison time.

3. Many states take it a step further and require that you not allow children unsupervised access to any _building_ with unsecured firearms... including firearms owned/purchased under that child's name.  Violation is a low-grade felony that gets bumped up immediately if something actually happens.  For reference, I'm not talking about dem dere pussy California leebrul blue states, I'm talking about like... Texas, and Arkansas.  Like, this is considered common-sense legislation even in some pretty red + pro-gun places.

Summary: Yes.  This idiot gets locked up.  There is such a thing as criminal negligence, and if this were an auto-related incident this is about on the order of sitting your kid in the seat of the car right in front of the farmer's market, having him close his eyes, and telling him the pedal on the right makes a cool vroom sound.  You're pretty much responsible for the fail that ensues through your sheer incompetence.
 
2013-08-20 11:40:28 PM

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Sent. That email address seems to cut down significantly on the amount of spam I receive.
It works for any followup questions you might have.
 
2013-08-20 11:40:55 PM

knowless: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: TuteTibiImperes: The father should absolutely be charged.  I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons.  If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.

And how would you find out who that weapon belonged to? That might involve some form of registration and we all know that while our hobbyist friends are terribly keen on protecting their rights, many go soft when it comes to accepting any responsibility or accountability.

Quit being a biatch unless you support registration of each bullet/brass combo. I mean like, identifying marks and such.

Because registration on a tube doesn't mean fark all..


As I was saying....
 
2013-08-20 11:42:03 PM

WTFDYW: Still nothing on FARK about the teens that shot the jogger because they were bored. And NO. this guy should not have been arrested. the kid should have.


Nope.  Looked too.  Not newsworthy.
 
2013-08-20 11:43:14 PM

Fubini: Bumpfiring is just a little trick where you work with the recoil action of the gun to pull the trigger rapidly (far more rapidly than anyone could achieve otherwise).


Works perfectly as long you don't want to hit what you believe you're "aiming" at, and don't care about bystanders.
 
2013-08-20 11:45:09 PM

scottydoesntknow: Cyno01: Ok, i am pro gun rights, i have what i consider an average level of firearms knowledge but i am not a gun enthusiast. Im not gay nor do i know the intricacies of gay sex, but i can support gay rights, right? Im a broke student and couldnt afford any guns right now if i felt the want or need. I understand that any semi auto can be bump fired to a degree, but the three things on the butt of the stock look like they could be springs and "Internal Recoil Buffer In Stock" is listed among the features, ill admit i dont know exactly what that means.

Don't pay attention to them. For some, it's like star trek fans flipping out because you don't know the series back and forth. I hear ya.

And I think the Rhino in the background is a blown-up picture :)


Ah, makes sense, the angle on it looked really weird too. Those are sexy sexy handguns, but ive heard the quality doesnt live up to the price.

And yeah, ive watched all six series and at the time ten movies of Trek in chronological order by episode, but i dont give my buddy whos watching DS9 on netflix right now shiat when he misunderstands that its the Klingons who are an allegory for the Soviets in WWII, not the Romulans.
 
2013-08-20 11:46:35 PM

Fubini: The "bump fire stock" you refer to (also known as SlideFire) allows the stock to slide back and forth about an inch or so. In essence, it takes the difficulty out of learning the exact position and amount of pull that is necessary for bumpfiring. The reason they're legal is because, technically, each single pull of the trigger results in exactly one bullet being fired. They're just a very efficient method for pulling the trigger.


I should also point out that bumpfiring doesn't really increase the lethality of a weapon. Even with a special stock, it takes too much precision to be performed in a life-or-death situation. If you did get it to work you'd just end up with a wildly inaccurate and jam-prone weapon.
 
2013-08-20 11:48:05 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Works perfectly as long you don't want to hit what you believe you're "aiming" at, and don't care about bystanders.


Yup. It's a toy for rich folks who don't care about burning $10 of ammo every time they pull the trigger.
 
2013-08-20 11:49:00 PM
I spent a month in Australia during the Sydney Olympics. I had numerous natives query me on the gun culture of the US ( as if I was an expert). I did my best to explain.


A star athlete being shot like a carnival target.....no words.

This will work wonders for the US's international rep.

/sucks all around
 
2013-08-20 11:49:07 PM

Noam Chimpsky: This is why I oppose multiculturalism. Look at that gang.


The United Killers of Benetton.
 
2013-08-20 11:51:04 PM

Fubini: demaL-demaL-yeH: Works perfectly as long you don't want to hit what you believe you're "aiming" at, and don't care about bystanders.

Yup. It's a toy for rich folks who don't care about burning $10 of ammo every time they pull the trigger.


When I volunteered at the rifle range, we'd get people coming in with their new rapid-fire gadgets from time to time. They'd invariably be excited when they walked in, but by the time they left, they were usually out of ammo and disappointed. And looking for someone else to sell the gizmo to.
 
2013-08-20 11:51:22 PM

Fubini: Fubini: The "bump fire stock" you refer to (also known as SlideFire) allows the stock to slide back and forth about an inch or so. In essence, it takes the difficulty out of learning the exact position and amount of pull that is necessary for bumpfiring. The reason they're legal is because, technically, each single pull of the trigger results in exactly one bullet being fired. They're just a very efficient method for pulling the trigger.

I should also point out that bumpfiring doesn't really increase the lethality of a weapon. Even with a special stock, it takes too much precision to be performed in a life-or-death situation. If you did get it to work you'd just end up with a wildly inaccurate and jam-prone weapon.


Yeah, im aware of that, and the technical legality, but it does sound like the sort of thing a dumbass 15 year old with unlimited access to a firearm would fark around with.
 
2013-08-20 11:57:08 PM

Elegy: Amos Quito: Elegy: MFAWG: slayer199: They absolutely should charge the father.  He KNEW the kid was sneaking out with the gun and did NOT lock the gun in a gun safe or sell the gun.  It's one thing to teach your kid gun safety and go shooting with them...it's completely irresponsible to let a 15 year-old have unfettered access to a gun...especially AFTER he KNEW the kid was up to no good with it.  IMHO, The dad should be charged with manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide and not the lesser felony charges he's been charged with.

I was assured in another thread that first grade is a good time to teach kids about firearms. That means this young man would have 8 to 10 years of experience, which should be plenty.

Hey buddy, calling in that Zimmerman bet. I'd like my month of TF now.


LOL!

Got a link? I'd love to see the thread.

It's in my profile.


neither of those punks honored the bet? did they agree to the bet?  Hell.. I knew that farker Zimm would walk that's why I didn't bother with all the outrage threads.
..
 
2013-08-21 12:02:13 AM

OhioUGrad: I'm going to become a hobbit. You cannot go anywhere anymore without fear of being shot.

/maybe just invest in a bullet proof vest


I've nearly given up working for change.  I've got a new idea.  Because we refuse to change laws then we have to change our thinking.  We need to accept random violent murder.
It's what our corporate overlords want.
 
2013-08-21 12:04:44 AM
If you want to know anything about firearms, I found this amazing tool.  They call it the googles or some hipster shiat like that, you can find it here  http://www.google.com .  If you want to legislate something you know nothing about, you are the worst kind of ignorant asshole, a willfully ignorant asshole.
 
2013-08-21 12:08:56 AM

Fubini: I should also point out that bumpfiring doesn't really increase the lethality of a weapon. Even with a special stock, it takes too much precision to be performed in a life-or-death situation. If you did get it to work you'd just end up with a wildly inaccurate and jam-prone weapon.


Another way to say this is that with a burst-fire weapon you're not used to you'll usually land the first shot and lose the rest of the burst.  The difference with bump firing is that you'll miss the first shot too, and it doesn't matter whether you're used to it or not because you're intentionally holding the weapon in a way that farks accuracy up the arse sideways with a pile driver.

It's basically worth trying if there's a bear literally chewing on your boot.  I wouldn't use it in a self-defense situation (or a murder, I guess) even if I was literally in barrel-whip range.

Or, to put it in even shorter terms, this is the long-arm version of aiming by holding the pistol sideways over your head with your wrist loose... and then carrying it in the waistband of your sweats just over your penis.
 
2013-08-21 12:14:40 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: OgreMagi: Naw, she learned her lesson at the range early on.

Try a sleeve full of hot links from an M-60. Scratch-burns are no fun.
/Always button up tight and check the folds.


Got both of ya beat! Had a 20mm cannon shell drop and wedge perfectly between the neck coverage of my flack jacket and my bare neck thanks to a SuperCobra facking something up a few hundred yards down range of us. Was only lodged there for the few seconds it took for me to drop my SAW and start doing the funky chicken dance totally out of cover in the middle of the street to get that fricken thing out of there and that few seconds is all it took to leave me scarred for life on the back of my neck.
 
2013-08-21 12:17:15 AM

Jim_Callahan: Or, to put it in even shorter terms, this is the long-arm version of aiming by holding the pistol sideways over your head with your wrist loose... and then carrying it in the waistband of your sweats just over your penis.


Ah. The Patriot Carry(TM), for Real 'Merkins: We don't believe in Darwin and find any kind of sex educatin' that isn't abstinence only disturbin' and preverted.
 
2013-08-21 12:18:54 AM

dropdfun: demaL-demaL-yeH: OgreMagi: Naw, she learned her lesson at the range early on.

Try a sleeve full of hot links from an M-60. Scratch-burns are no fun.
/Always button up tight and check the folds.

Got both of ya beat! Had a 20mm cannon shell drop and wedge perfectly between the neck coverage of my flack jacket and my bare neck thanks to a SuperCobra facking something up a few hundred yards down range of us. Was only lodged there for the few seconds it took for me to drop my SAW and start doing the funky chicken dance totally out of cover in the middle of the street to get that fricken thing out of there and that few seconds is all it took to leave me scarred for life on the back of my neck.


Hint: Just like sex, this is not a contest.
 
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