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(Orlando Sentinel)   Fifteen-year-old boy who murdered two people with a handgun got the weapon from his father, who took him gun shopping and let him pick out which gun he wanted. Naturally police have arrested the father   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 318
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2013-08-20 10:05:14 PM

WTFDYW: Still nothing on FARK about the teens that shot the jogger because they were bored. And NO. this guy should not have been arrested. the kid should have.


Why not?
I'd say this is, at best, a case of straw purchasing. The BATFE should be all over the father when he admits to buying a gun for his underaged kid AND letting him use it unsupervised.  Not calling the cops when he knew the son was out shooting people, and not properly securing the weapon when he knew his son was taking it, that's aiding a crime right there.
There's all kinds of criminality in the fathers actions that enabled his son to kill people.
Both of them should be dragged in front a Judge and Jury.

/For the record, being pro-gun doesn't mean you're in favor of criminal activity.
/Its the fact that some people don't want to be victimised that drives them to arm up in the first place.
/This man was letting his kid carry on like a hoodlum.  He's got to answer for that.
 
2013-08-20 10:05:31 PM

LordJiro: Elegy: LordJiro: TuteTibiImperes: The father should absolutely be charged.  I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons.  If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.

This, even if your weapon is stolen. Unless a LOT of effort was made by the thief (like, stealing the whole gun safe), a stolen gun means you neglected your responsibilities as a gun owner.

So in this case, the guy kept letting his son walk with the weapon, I agree.

But what about me? My wife and I have no kids. No reason to have a gun safe, we both know how to use them.

You would arrest me if someone broke into my house and stole my property? What if my door was locked? Is that safe enough for you?

Yeah, I admit I kinda went a bit extreme. I'd say "Locking your doors, with the gun out of sight" would be safe enough, unless you live in a REALLY shiatty neighborhood.


So you would require legal gun owners who live in high-crime neighborhoods - and thus have a demonstrable need for a gun for home protection - to lock up their guns where they can't get to them in case of an emergency? But you'd give middle class people who live in safe neighborhoods a pass on the mandatory gun safe?

Something tells me you haven't thought this cunning plan all the way through.
 
2013-08-20 10:07:03 PM

Elegy: What if my door was locked? Is that safe enough for you?


Nope. That is still irresponsible.


WTFDYW: And NO. this guy should not have been arrested. the kid should have.


Misprision of felony would be a nice federal charge, but here are the Florida felony charges so far (from TFA):
Lothar Schafer faces a felony charge of culpable negligence for allegedly leaving a loaded firearm within easy access of a minor who uses it to injure or kill someone.
/And if Lothar weren't the kid's father, he would be facing capital murder charges as an accessory after the fact to the murder of a minor.
 
2013-08-20 10:07:27 PM

Amos Quito: Elegy: MFAWG: slayer199: They absolutely should charge the father.  He KNEW the kid was sneaking out with the gun and did NOT lock the gun in a gun safe or sell the gun.  It's one thing to teach your kid gun safety and go shooting with them...it's completely irresponsible to let a 15 year-old have unfettered access to a gun...especially AFTER he KNEW the kid was up to no good with it.  IMHO, The dad should be charged with manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide and not the lesser felony charges he's been charged with.

I was assured in another thread that first grade is a good time to teach kids about firearms. That means this young man would have 8 to 10 years of experience, which should be plenty.

Hey buddy, calling in that Zimmerman bet. I'd like my month of TF now.


LOL!

Got a link? I'd love to see the thread.


It's in my profile.
 
2013-08-20 10:07:34 PM

Ishkur: 69gnarkill69: An Australian baseball player out for a jog in an Oklahoma neighborhood was shot and killed by three "bored" teenagers who decided to kill someone for fun, police said.

Fun stat:

Every American has a 1 in 500 chance of being shot in a given year. Not shot and killed, mind you. Just shot.


Except that it's not a Gaussian distribution.

If you live and work in low-crime areas, and do not have a gun in the house, your odds of being shot are much, much, much less.
 
2013-08-20 10:07:49 PM

Amos Quito: Elegy: MFAWG: slayer199: They absolutely should charge the father.  He KNEW the kid was sneaking out with the gun and did NOT lock the gun in a gun safe or sell the gun.  It's one thing to teach your kid gun safety and go shooting with them...it's completely irresponsible to let a 15 year-old have unfettered access to a gun...especially AFTER he KNEW the kid was up to no good with it.  IMHO, The dad should be charged with manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide and not the lesser felony charges he's been charged with.

I was assured in another thread that first grade is a good time to teach kids about firearms. That means this young man would have 8 to 10 years of experience, which should be plenty.

Hey buddy, calling in that Zimmerman bet. I'd like my month of TF now.


LOL!

Got a link? I'd love to see the thread.


My temptation is to tell your gloaty ass to go fark yourself. But it's a year I owe you, jackass.
 
2013-08-20 10:08:14 PM
Before allowing your child to handle a firearm, you must first ask yourself, "is this person responsible enough to be trusted with a deadly weapon?"   Sometimes the answer is yes, even as young as 8 years old (with adult supervision).  Sometimes the answer is no, no matter how old the child is.  My stepdaughter fell into the latter group.  Which is why I kept my firearms locked up securely.  I'm pretty damn sure if she had access to them, she would have done something not just stupid, but possibly fatal to someone.

No matter how responsible the person is, however, so long as that person is a minor, they must always have adult supervision when handling a gun.  No farking exceptions.  EVER.
 
2013-08-20 10:09:05 PM

quickdraw: Elegy: You would arrest me if someone broke into my house and stole my property? What if my door was locked? Is that safe enough for you?

If psychopaths like these broke into your house and stole your guns you wouldnt be around to be arrested the next day.


Unless, of course, you were not at home.
 
2013-08-20 10:10:21 PM

ultraholland: OhioUGrad: I'm going to become a hobbit.

/maybe just invest in a bullet proof vest

it's called Mithril, and I doubt you have enough dough.


i265.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-20 10:10:42 PM
Kinda like little Traytray's daddy helpin him get a gun huh?
 
2013-08-20 10:11:01 PM

inglixthemad: LordJiro: Elegy: LordJiro: TuteTibiImperes: The father should absolutely be charged.  I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons.  If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.

This, even if your weapon is stolen. Unless a LOT of effort was made by the thief (like, stealing the whole gun safe), a stolen gun means you neglected your responsibilities as a gun owner.

So in this case, the guy kept letting his son walk with the weapon, I agree.

But what about me? My wife and I have no kids. No reason to have a gun safe, we both know how to use them.

You would arrest me if someone broke into my house and stole my property? What if my door was locked? Is that safe enough for you?

Yeah, I admit I kinda went a bit extreme. I'd say "Locking your doors, with the gun out of sight" would be safe enough, unless you live in a REALLY shiatty neighborhood.

Black letter law says that if he secured the house, as the 'sole occupant', he is indemnified. Now 'sole occupant' can apply to a multi-family residence (apartment building) providing that separate locks exist for each occupant to secure their own space. At that point, the weapon does need to be in their own 'secured space' for the indemnity.

Also, I know people that are farmers. They possess ammonium-nitrate and diesel fuel (in large quantities) on their property. Are you going to blame them if someone steals a bunch to make a fertilizer bomb while they're at a wedding?

You can't hold someone responsible for the actions of a random person. The only reason dad is on the hook here is he didn't secure the weapon from a minor in his household. He has a parental responsibility for his child.


I think knowledge his kid was farking around and failure to properly secure the weapon after might have something to do with it.
 
2013-08-20 10:11:10 PM
I see Fark goes full retard at night...
 
2013-08-20 10:11:34 PM

Ishkur: 69gnarkill69: An Australian baseball player out for a jog in an Oklahoma neighborhood was shot and killed by three "bored" teenagers who decided to kill someone for fun, police said.

Fun stat:

Every American has a 1 in 500 chance of being shot in a given year. Not shot and killed, mind you. Just shot.



Linky linky???

Pretty please?

Thanks in advance.

:-)
 
2013-08-20 10:11:40 PM
Put em in jail together. Dad should choke the kid out
 
2013-08-20 10:12:33 PM

MFAWG: Amos Quito: Elegy: MFAWG: slayer199: They absolutely should charge the father.  He KNEW the kid was sneaking out with the gun and did NOT lock the gun in a gun safe or sell the gun.  It's one thing to teach your kid gun safety and go shooting with them...it's completely irresponsible to let a 15 year-old have unfettered access to a gun...especially AFTER he KNEW the kid was up to no good with it.  IMHO, The dad should be charged with manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide and not the lesser felony charges he's been charged with.

I was assured in another thread that first grade is a good time to teach kids about firearms. That means this young man would have 8 to 10 years of experience, which should be plenty.

Hey buddy, calling in that Zimmerman bet. I'd like my month of TF now.


LOL!

Got a link? I'd love to see the thread.

My temptation is to tell your gloaty ass to go fark yourself. But it's a year I owe you, jackass.


Think you replied to the wrong person.

And it's a month of TF, not a year, according to the terms I originally laid out and you accepted
 
2013-08-20 10:13:14 PM
Gun policy finally getting scientifically studied - although this first study is self-admittedly weak.

What they say they found is that either extreme (complete control, or no control) of gun policy will work, but compromise policies that only exert partial control will fail.
 
2013-08-20 10:13:59 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Makes sense to me. He enabled someone to be irresponsible with a gun he owned. Imagine of the dad had let his son drive the dad's car without a license and the kid ended up intentionally running someone over with it?


Yeah, I have no problem with this.  The father bears a *LOT* of responsibility here.

TuteTibiImperes: The father should absolutely be charged. I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons. If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.


I disagree.  You should no more be responsible for a stolen weapon than you are if your car is stolen and used to run someone down.

way south: I'd say this is, at best, a case of straw purchasing. The BATFE should be all over the father when he admits to buying a gun for his underaged kid AND letting him use it unsupervised.


Good point, I overlooked the straw purchase.
 
2013-08-20 10:14:01 PM
Based on those admissions, Lothar Schafer faces a felony charge of culpable negligence for allegedly leaving a loaded firearm within easy access of a minor who uses it to injure or kill someone, records show. He also faces a misdemeanor charge of allowing unlawful possession of a firearm.

After what happened with Newtown, this is probably a good thing.
 
2013-08-20 10:14:42 PM

Elegy: Think you replied to the wrong person.

And it's a month of TF, not a year, according to the terms I originally laid out and you accepted


That's hilarious
 
2013-08-20 10:15:33 PM

Ishkur: 69gnarkill69: An Australian baseball player out for a jog in an Oklahoma neighborhood was shot and killed by three "bored" teenagers who decided to kill someone for fun, police said.

Fun stat:

Every American has a 1 in 500 chance of being shot in a given year. Not shot and killed, mind you. Just shot.


0.003/100 Somebody might actually nibble.
 
2013-08-20 10:15:43 PM
The kid got his pick of guns and he goes with a Hi-Point?
 
2013-08-20 10:16:09 PM
No that isn't a bump fire stock....no it isn't a submachine gun.  No it isn't any type of assault weapon.  Most all full size semi-auto centerfire pistols these days pack more firepower than this firearm you ignorant dolts are freaking out about.

It is a high point carbine

That thing is basically the bottom rung of the firearms spectrum.  It is make of plastic and the pot metal used in die cast cars, uses a blowback design that makes a heavy and cumbersome action, and is basically something that an idiot who doesn't have much money buys to look like a mall ninja.

They aren't crap and are generally reliable, cheap, and have a good factory warranty.  However it is of no real practical use for much of anything.  I sold one I picked up on a trade (gen 1 even uglier than that one) for $150 about 2 years ago.
 
2013-08-20 10:16:09 PM
After getting more details, I think the father should be charged as an accessory to murder.
 
2013-08-20 10:16:35 PM

MFAWG: Amos Quito: Elegy: MFAWG: slayer199: They absolutely should charge the father.  He KNEW the kid was sneaking out with the gun and did NOT lock the gun in a gun safe or sell the gun.  It's one thing to teach your kid gun safety and go shooting with them...it's completely irresponsible to let a 15 year-old have unfettered access to a gun...especially AFTER he KNEW the kid was up to no good with it.  IMHO, The dad should be charged with manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide and not the lesser felony charges he's been charged with.

I was assured in another thread that first grade is a good time to teach kids about firearms. That means this young man would have 8 to 10 years of experience, which should be plenty.

Hey buddy, calling in that Zimmerman bet. I'd like my month of TF now.


LOL!

Got a link? I'd love to see the thread.

My temptation is to tell your gloaty ass to go fark yourself. But it's a year I owe you, jackass.



^ I saved that post. ^

And Elegy and I would BOTH like our year now, thanks.

;-)
 
2013-08-20 10:17:26 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Ishkur: 69gnarkill69: An Australian baseball player out for a jog in an Oklahoma neighborhood was shot and killed by three "bored" teenagers who decided to kill someone for fun, police said.

Fun stat:

Every American has a 1 in 500 chance of being shot in a given year. Not shot and killed, mind you. Just shot.

0.003/100 Somebody might actually nibble.


He should have picked odds not quite so horrific.  His choice is so obviously made up numbers that it ruined a perfectly good trolling opportunity.
 
2013-08-20 10:17:34 PM

Elegy: negligent homicide and not the lesser felony charges he's been charged with.


Swear to god, I thought it was a year.

Cancelling current purchase.

You're stilla jackass.
 
2013-08-20 10:18:07 PM
But whatever you do DONT BLAME THE GUNS LOOK AT THAT POOR SWEET INNOCENT GUN IT'S NOT THE GUNS
 
2013-08-20 10:18:10 PM
"Lothar" and "Konrad"?? Good lord, just their NAMES scare me!
 
2013-08-20 10:18:18 PM

FrancoFile: Ishkur: 69gnarkill69: An Australian baseball player out for a jog in an Oklahoma neighborhood was shot and killed by three "bored" teenagers who decided to kill someone for fun, police said.

Fun stat:

Every American has a 1 in 500 chance of being shot in a given year. Not shot and killed, mind you. Just shot.

Except that it's not a Gaussian distribution.

If you live and work in low-crime areas, and do not have a gun in the house, your odds of being shot are much, much, much less.


Just don't live for 500 years.
 
2013-08-20 10:20:00 PM

Amos Quito: MFAWG: Amos Quito: Elegy: MFAWG: slayer199: They absolutely should charge the father.  He KNEW the kid was sneaking out with the gun and did NOT lock the gun in a gun safe or sell the gun.  It's one thing to teach your kid gun safety and go shooting with them...it's completely irresponsible to let a 15 year-old have unfettered access to a gun...especially AFTER he KNEW the kid was up to no good with it.  IMHO, The dad should be charged with manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide and not the lesser felony charges he's been charged with.

I was assured in another thread that first grade is a good time to teach kids about firearms. That means this young man would have 8 to 10 years of experience, which should be plenty.

Hey buddy, calling in that Zimmerman bet. I'd like my month of TF now.


LOL!

Got a link? I'd love to see the thread.

My temptation is to tell your gloaty ass to go fark yourself. But it's a year I owe you, jackass.


^ I saved that post. ^

And Elegy and I would BOTH like our year now, thanks.

;-)


Yours I do not recall? Not saying it didn't happen, just don't recall.

And you can save whatever you'd like. Smiley faces don't make you less of a jackass.
 
2013-08-20 10:20:12 PM

Cyno01: TuteTibiImperes: Googling around it appears this is what a Hi-Point .45 Carbine looks like:

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x311]

And I thought all the gun nuts were assuring us that people didn't buy assault rifles to hunt and kill other people.

sno man: what subby's handgun looks like:
[www.thefirearmblog.com image 800x310]

scottydoesntknow: An object for perspective would be nice.

[www.gunpundit.com image 850x483]

Are those bump fire stocks? I still cant believe those are generally legal... Looks like the same stock on all 3 of those pictures is that standard equipment? If it is, for farks sake i am pretty pro gun, but giving a 15 year old basically the equivalent of a submachine gun is a bad idea.

/also i think that dude is really tiny
//or that rhino next to his elbow is HUGE


You can't tell what a bump fire stock is with three pictures or not, and you are a "pro gun" guy?

What? Are you a "pro gun for other people but Cyano01 guy?"

pfft.
 
2013-08-20 10:20:50 PM

ben_reddy: The kid got his pick of guns and he goes with a Hi-Point?


Can't say that thought didn't pass through my mind.
 
2013-08-20 10:20:59 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Absolutely I would think you should bear some liability if your gun was used in a crime, even if it was stolen from your home, your vehicle, or taken from you while you were carrying concealed.  If that liability seems like too much for some people, maybe they will reconsider owning guns.  Depending on the circumstances I could see civil vs criminal penalties, but the threat of a weapon being stolen is reason enough to own a gun safe.  If you can't afford a gun safe, you can't afford a gun.


First, you're farking insane. In this hypothetical, you want to arrest me, the victim of a crime, for no other reason than being the victim of a crime.

So if someone stills my car and commits a crime with it, am I liable even though the doors were locked.

Second, do you have any idea how much a gun safe costs? Oh sure, a cheap sears model goes for $200, but you can get through those pretty easily. I have a feeling you want those guns really locked up, so you would need the heavy-walled, armored version, which start around $500.

Congratulations, you just priced poor people out of the market. Since many black people are poor, you also disenfranchised a significant percentage of African-Americans out of their constitutional rights, while allowing white people to purchase access to the same rights.

What's next, a poll-tax, you racist fark?
 
2013-08-20 10:23:00 PM

MFAWG: Elegy: negligent homicide and not the lesser felony charges he's been charged with.

Swear to god, I thought it was a year.

Cancelling current purchase.

You're stilla jackass.


Good. I would have felt really, really bad if you'd bought me a year.

Thanks for being a sport and paying up.
 
2013-08-20 10:23:21 PM

Cyno01: TuteTibiImperes: Googling around it appears this is what a Hi-Point .45 Carbine looks like:

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x311]

And I thought all the gun nuts were assuring us that people didn't buy assault rifles to hunt and kill other people.

sno man: what subby's handgun looks like:
[www.thefirearmblog.com image 800x310]

scottydoesntknow: An object for perspective would be nice.

[www.gunpundit.com image 850x483]

Are those bump fire stocks? I still cant believe those are generally legal... Looks like the same stock on all 3 of those pictures is that standard equipment? If it is, for farks sake i am pretty pro gun, but giving a 15 year old basically the equivalent of a submachine gun is a bad idea.

/also i think that dude is really tiny
//or that rhino next to his elbow is HUGE


1, not a "bump fire stock".. just a plastic stock
2, if you were "pro gun" you'd know how to recognize a stock configured for bump firing
3, if you were "pro gun" you'd know that any semi-auto weapon can be "bump fired" (with varying degrees of difficulty)
4, yeah, a 15 year old should not have unsupervised access to any firearm.
 
2013-08-20 10:23:24 PM

Elegy: TuteTibiImperes: Absolutely I would think you should bear some liability if your gun was used in a crime, even if it was stolen from your home, your vehicle, or taken from you while you were carrying concealed.  If that liability seems like too much for some people, maybe they will reconsider owning guns.  Depending on the circumstances I could see civil vs criminal penalties, but the threat of a weapon being stolen is reason enough to own a gun safe.  If you can't afford a gun safe, you can't afford a gun.

First, you're farking insane. In this hypothetical, you want to arrest me, the victim of a crime, for no other reason than being the victim of a crime.

So if someone stills my car and commits a crime with it, am I liable even though the doors were locked.

Second, do you have any idea how much a gun safe costs? Oh sure, a cheap sears model goes for $200, but you can get through those pretty easily. I have a feeling you want those guns really locked up, so you would need the heavy-walled, armored version, which start around $500.

Congratulations, you just priced poor people out of the market. Since many black people are poor, you also disenfranchised a significant percentage of African-Americans out of their constitutional rights, while allowing white people to purchase access to the same rights.

What's next, a poll-tax, you racist fark?


Holy crap, really?
 
2013-08-20 10:23:40 PM

b0rg9: ben_reddy: The kid got his pick of guns and he goes with a Hi-Point?

Can't say that thought didn't pass through my mind.


It was the kids (in essence) so he was going for the wow factor, not the practicality of it
 
2013-08-20 10:24:34 PM
Supplied a minor with an illegal weapon.  Both he and the shop owner should be arrested.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-08-20 10:24:38 PM
Gun or no gun, if you're too damn incompetent ot too damn lazy to teach your kid right from wrong, you should face charges when he kills someone. Enjoy prison, you assclown.
 
2013-08-20 10:26:31 PM

Elegy: MFAWG: Amos Quito: Elegy: MFAWG: slayer199: They absolutely should charge the father.  He KNEW the kid was sneaking out with the gun and did NOT lock the gun in a gun safe or sell the gun.  It's one thing to teach your kid gun safety and go shooting with them...it's completely irresponsible to let a 15 year-old have unfettered access to a gun...especially AFTER he KNEW the kid was up to no good with it.  IMHO, The dad should be charged with manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide and not the lesser felony charges he's been charged with.

I was assured in another thread that first grade is a good time to teach kids about firearms. That means this young man would have 8 to 10 years of experience, which should be plenty.

Hey buddy, calling in that Zimmerman bet. I'd like my month of TF now.


LOL!

Got a link? I'd love to see the thread.

My temptation is to tell your gloaty ass to go fark yourself. But it's a year I owe you, jackass.

Think you replied to the wrong person.



Probably put you on ignore after GZ  walked


And it's a month of TF, not a year, according to the terms I originally laid out and you accepted


Okay, you take the month - but I'm holding out for the full year.

;-)
 
2013-08-20 10:26:31 PM

Amos Quito: Ishkur: 69gnarkill69: An Australian baseball player out for a jog in an Oklahoma neighborhood was shot and killed by three "bored" teenagers who decided to kill someone for fun, police said.

Fun stat:

Every American has a 1 in 500 chance of being shot in a given year. Not shot and killed, mind you. Just shot.


Linky linky???

Pretty please?

Thanks in advance.

:-)


 
2013-08-20 10:27:08 PM

Elegy: LordJiro: TuteTibiImperes: The father should absolutely be charged.  I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons.  If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.

This, even if your weapon is stolen. Unless a LOT of effort was made by the thief (like, stealing the whole gun safe), a stolen gun means you neglected your responsibilities as a gun owner.

So in this case, the guy kept letting his son walk with the weapon, I agree.

But what about me? My wife and I have no kids. No reason to have a gun safe, we both know how to use them.

You would arrest me if someone broke into my house and stole my property? What if my door was locked? Is that safe enough for you?


Gun legislation advocates might be ok with you storing it at the bottom of the Marianas trench as long as you cut the action in three pieces with an axy/acetylene torch first.
 
2013-08-20 10:27:27 PM

WTFDYW: Still nothing on FARK about the teens that shot the jogger because they were bored. And NO. this guy should not have been arrested. the kid should have.


You're a maroon.  FTFA:
Based on those admissions, Lothar Schafer faces a felony charge of culpable negligence for allegedly leaving a loaded firearm within easy access of a minor who uses it to injure or kill someone, records show. He also faces a misdemeanor charge of allowing unlawful possession of a firearm.
The younger Schafer is being tried as an adult and is facing two counts of first-degree murder in the June shooting death of David Guerrero and subsequent killing in July of 22-year-old Eric Roopnarine.


The father AND the son were appropriately charged.
 
2013-08-20 10:27:42 PM

scottydoesntknow: Amos Quito: Ishkur: 69gnarkill69: An Australian baseball player out for a jog in an Oklahoma neighborhood was shot and killed by three "bored" teenagers who decided to kill someone for fun, police said.

Fun stat:

Every American has a 1 in 500 chance of being shot in a given year. Not shot and killed, mind you. Just shot.


Linky linky???

Pretty please?

Thanks in advance.

:-)


Well shiat, it cut off everything I said!

It's more like 1 in 5000

Politifact, # of people shot in 2010 (including non-fatal, minus suicides) over 2010 population
 
2013-08-20 10:27:51 PM
oxy/acetylene
 
2013-08-20 10:28:33 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The father should absolutely be charged.  I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons.  If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.


I completely agree. Then I get gun nuts up in my ass biatching about stolen guns, and they shouldn't be held responsible for stolen weapons. I guess locking them up is too much personal responsibility for them.
 
2013-08-20 10:28:50 PM

Amos Quito: b0rg9: Shot someone walking to the bus stop just for "fun"?

If this isn't what the death penalty is for I don't know what it is for.


Two teens charged with murdering Melbourne baseball player Chris Lane

Seems there's a lot of that going around these days.


What's interesting about that case is the third kid involved, the only one whose parents didn't make any excuses about, was also the only one that showed any remorse.

"James Edwards, 15, was treating the murder as a joke, Mr Hicks told the hearing... Before the hearing, Edwards' father, James Edwards Sr., said he knew where his son was 95 percent of the time and would call or text him. The 15-year-old was involved in wrestling and football, his father said, and was trying to forge the same sort of athletic career as Lane. He was heading into his sophomore year in high school. Edwards Sr. said Luna was also like a son to him. Luna's mother, Jennifer Luna, said her son likes to play basketball at a local court and play on his iPhone and Xbox. Asked if she had a message for the Lane family outside court, Ms Luna told the Herald Sun: "I feel sorry for them, my heart goes out to them, it really does, but that's my baby too. My boy was a baby too." Jones' parents, however, left the courtroom as their son was being brought in, and the father only mentioned to the Sun that he was "disappointed."

"Edwards and Luna did not show any emotion, but Jones broke down in tears after Mr Hicks said he was looking at a "very, very lengthy prison sentence"."

/needs a new "son, I am disappoint" picture
 
2013-08-20 10:29:06 PM

Amos Quito: Elegy: MFAWG: Amos Quito: Elegy: MFAWG: slayer199: They absolutely should charge the father.  He KNEW the kid was sneaking out with the gun and did NOT lock the gun in a gun safe or sell the gun.  It's one thing to teach your kid gun safety and go shooting with them...it's completely irresponsible to let a 15 year-old have unfettered access to a gun...especially AFTER he KNEW the kid was up to no good with it.  IMHO, The dad should be charged with manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide and not the lesser felony charges he's been charged with.

I was assured in another thread that first grade is a good time to teach kids about firearms. That means this young man would have 8 to 10 years of experience, which should be plenty.

Hey buddy, calling in that Zimmerman bet. I'd like my month of TF now.


LOL!

Got a link? I'd love to see the thread.

My temptation is to tell your gloaty ass to go fark yourself. But it's a year I owe you, jackass.

Think you replied to the wrong person.


Probably put you on ignore after GZ  walked


And it's a month of TF, not a year, according to the terms I originally laid out and you accepted


Okay, you take the month - but I'm holding out for the full year.

;-)


LOL, see I would pay up but as I learned when I went to pay for Elegy's earlier in the month, you can't buy TF for somebody who already has TF.

It seems to be a glitch in the system.
 
2013-08-20 10:29:49 PM

scottydoesntknow: scottydoesntknow: Amos Quito: Ishkur: 69gnarkill69: An Australian baseball player out for a jog in an Oklahoma neighborhood was shot and killed by three "bored" teenagers who decided to kill someone for fun, police said.

Fun stat:

Every American has a 1 in 500 chance of being shot in a given year. Not shot and killed, mind you. Just shot.


Linky linky???

Pretty please?

Thanks in advance.

:-)

Well shiat, it cut off everything I said!

It's more like 1 in 5000

Politifact, # of people shot in 2010 (including non-fatal, minus suicides) over 2010 population


And the vast majority of those shootings happen in shiatty neighborhoods.  If you live in a nice part of town and avoid visiting the ghetto, your odds of being shot are pretty damn close to zero.
 
2013-08-20 10:30:11 PM

MFAWG: Amos Quito: MFAWG: Amos Quito: Elegy: MFAWG: slayer199: They absolutely should charge the father.  He KNEW the kid was sneaking out with the gun and did NOT lock the gun in a gun safe or sell the gun.  It's one thing to teach your kid gun safety and go shooting with them...it's completely irresponsible to let a 15 year-old have unfettered access to a gun...especially AFTER he KNEW the kid was up to no good with it.  IMHO, The dad should be charged with manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide and not the lesser felony charges he's been charged with.

I was assured in another thread that first grade is a good time to teach kids about firearms. That means this young man would have 8 to 10 years of experience, which should be plenty.

Hey buddy, calling in that Zimmerman bet. I'd like my month of TF now.


LOL!

Got a link? I'd love to see the thread.

My temptation is to tell your gloaty ass to go fark yourself. But it's a year I owe you, jackass.


^ I saved that post. ^

And Elegy and I would BOTH like our year now, thanks.

;-)

Yours I do not recall? Not saying it didn't happen, just don't recall.

And you can save whatever you'd like. Smiley faces don't make you less of a jackass.



We had no bet - I was just jerkin' your chain because you responded to me instead of to Elegy, and you made it sound like we did.

That's what the smiley face was for!

;-)
 
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