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(Orlando Sentinel)   Fifteen-year-old boy who murdered two people with a handgun got the weapon from his father, who took him gun shopping and let him pick out which gun he wanted. Naturally police have arrested the father   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 318
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2013-08-20 07:19:14 PM
Makes sense to me. He enabled someone to be irresponsible with a gun he owned. Imagine of the dad had let his son drive the dad's car without a license and the kid ended up intentionally running someone over with it?
 
2013-08-20 07:28:03 PM
We should start doing the same to the "parents" of kids who accidentally kill themselves with guns they find laying around.
 
2013-08-20 07:28:15 PM
The father should absolutely be charged.  I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons.  If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.
 
2013-08-20 07:28:34 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Makes sense to me. He enabled someone to be irresponsible with a gun he owned. Imagine of the dad had let his son drive the dad's car without a license and the kid ended up intentionally running someone over with it?


I agree.  He should never have done it in the first place, and he should have locked the gun in a safe the moment he fund out the kid was sneaking it out of the house to go shooting.

That said...  Lothar?  Konrad?  Are they white supremacists, or recent German immigrants?
 
2013-08-20 07:37:06 PM
Carbine = Handgun?

Are we going by the medieval definition where "handgun" means anything that doesn't require a sledge and oxen to move?
 
2013-08-20 07:41:01 PM
Yes - parents are responsible for what their underage children do. Whether that's throwing a fit in a restaurant or cold blooded murder.
 
2013-08-20 07:41:19 PM

doglover: Carbine = Handgun?

Are we going by the medieval definition where "handgun" means anything that doesn't require a sledge and oxen to move?


Googling around it appears this is what a Hi-Point .45 Carbine looks like:

2.bp.blogspot.com

And I thought all the gun nuts were assuring us that people didn't buy assault rifles to hunt and kill other people.
 
2013-08-20 07:43:51 PM

doglover: Carbine = Handgun?

Are we going by the medieval definition where "handgun" means anything that doesn't require a sledge and oxen to move?


what subby's handgun looks like:
www.thefirearmblog.com
 
2013-08-20 07:48:21 PM

sno man: doglover: Carbine = Handgun?

Are we going by the medieval definition where "handgun" means anything that doesn't require a sledge and oxen to move?

what subby's handgun looks like:
[www.thefirearmblog.com image 800x310]


Well it's a handgun if you're on the cast of Expendables. But other than that, no that ain't no handgun.
 
2013-08-20 07:50:29 PM
Nice AK-47.
 
2013-08-20 07:51:12 PM

TuteTibiImperes: doglover: Carbine = Handgun?

Are we going by the medieval definition where "handgun" means anything that doesn't require a sledge and oxen to move?

Googling around it appears this is what a Hi-Point .45 Carbine looks like:

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x311]

And I thought all the gun nuts were assuring us that people didn't buy assault rifles to hunt and kill other people.


*tiny fist, and all that*
 
2013-08-20 07:52:56 PM
Hey Subby:

The man is accused of knowingly allowing his son to take a weapon from his home to shoot people with, not purchasing a weapon.

Purchasing a weapon for your son = totes legalsies

Letting your child remove your weapon from your property to repeatedly commit murder = totes not legalsies

Read the farking article
 
2013-08-20 07:53:22 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The father should absolutely be charged.  I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons.  If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.


You're walking the argument. He essentially let the son have access to it knowing it's illegal for a minor to have a handgun. That's world's different than a handgun being stolen from an owner and being used illegally.

TuteTibiImperes: And I thought all the gun nuts were assuring us that people didn't buy assault rifles to hunt and kill other people.


That's a dishonest statement, and you know it. The abusive taunt was just flare. It's as honest as saying gun control advocates believe banning guns will eliminate all murders.
 
2013-08-20 07:58:13 PM
"Oh, hi officer. See it's like this. Yes I did park my car at the top of that hill overlooking the orphanage and fireworks factory and no didn't apply the parking brake and yes I left a lit cigar in the back seat, but you can't possibly think of charging me for the collision and destruction of the fireworks factory and orphanage including the deaths of all inside, it was the car that slid down the hill!!"
 
2013-08-20 08:04:47 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: That said...  Lothar?  Konrad?  Are they white supremacists, or recent German immigrants?


I grew up thinking that Lothar was a black name...guess I read too many comics.

20.img.v4.skyrock.net
 
2013-08-20 08:14:07 PM
Fark that. Charge the dad with felony murder.
 
2013-08-20 08:42:53 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Nice AK-47.


LULZ
 
2013-08-20 08:43:42 PM
They absolutely should charge the father.  He KNEW the kid was sneaking out with the gun and did NOT lock the gun in a gun safe or sell the gun.  It's one thing to teach your kid gun safety and go shooting with them...it's completely irresponsible to let a 15 year-old have unfettered access to a gun...especially AFTER he KNEW the kid was up to no good with it.  IMHO, The dad should be charged with manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide and not the lesser felony charges he's been charged with.
 
2013-08-20 08:45:49 PM
Looking at his cohorts, it appears his gang was multi-racial and had a female as well. Nice to see kids can cross ethnic and gender barriers to find common interests.
 
2013-08-20 09:02:13 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The father should absolutely be charged.  I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons.  If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.


This. I've been advocating this for awhile now.

/with the mitigation that the weapon is reported missing or stolen prior to any illicit behavior committed with it
 
2013-08-20 09:18:47 PM
Good
 
2013-08-20 09:19:03 PM
Lothar? LOTHAR?
i2.photobucket.com
Maybe the kid was upset that the mansheath had been removed from his penoose.
 
2013-08-20 09:19:43 PM

TuteTibiImperes: doglover: Carbine = Handgun?

Are we going by the medieval definition where "handgun" means anything that doesn't require a sledge and oxen to move?

Googling around it appears this is what a Hi-Point .45 Carbine looks like:



And I thought all the gun nuts were assuring us that people didn't buy assault rifles to hunt and kill other people.


An object for perspective would be nice.
 
2013-08-20 09:20:54 PM
Subby is correct.

I know because the Fark 2nd Amendment Protection Society has taught me that shootings are totally unrelated to easily available guns.
 
2013-08-20 09:21:24 PM

MFAWG: TuteTibiImperes: doglover: Carbine = Handgun?

Are we going by the medieval definition where "handgun" means anything that doesn't require a sledge and oxen to move?

Googling around it appears this is what a Hi-Point .45 Carbine looks like:

And I thought all the gun nuts were assuring us that people didn't buy assault rifles to hunt and kill other people.

An object for perspective would be nice.


www.gunpundit.com
 
2013-08-20 09:22:50 PM

slayer199: They absolutely should charge the father.  He KNEW the kid was sneaking out with the gun and did NOT lock the gun in a gun safe or sell the gun.  It's one thing to teach your kid gun safety and go shooting with them...it's completely irresponsible to let a 15 year-old have unfettered access to a gun...especially AFTER he KNEW the kid was up to no good with it.  IMHO, The dad should be charged with manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide and not the lesser felony charges he's been charged with.


I was assured in another thread that first grade is a good time to teach kids about firearms. That means this young man would have 8 to 10 years of experience, which should be plenty.
 
2013-08-20 09:23:31 PM
Came to post Lothar. Now I shall walk alone in the hills.
 
2013-08-20 09:23:37 PM
If your child is under 18 you are in fact responsible for his farkups. Did you know that juvi charges by the day like it's a goddam hotel? A month is rather expensive.

/he got better
 
2013-08-20 09:24:15 PM
The father should be arrested. What is the problem?
 
2013-08-20 09:26:01 PM
www.blogcdn.com
/got nothing
 
2013-08-20 09:26:32 PM
Nice mug shots.  All that group needs is a pit bull and they'd be the 21st century meth-head version of Scooby Doo.
 
2013-08-20 09:28:16 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: Hey Subby:

The man is accused of knowingly allowing his son to take a weapon from his home to shoot people with, not purchasing a weapon.

Purchasing a weapon for your son = totes legalsies

Letting your child remove your weapon from your property to repeatedly commit murder = totes not legalsies

Read the farking article


actually purchasing a weapon for your son is only legal if you are tthe "actual" owner and he has access to the weapon except under your supervision.
 
2013-08-20 09:29:00 PM
Am I supposed to be outraged? My reaction:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-20 09:29:41 PM
Good.
 
2013-08-20 09:29:45 PM

FrancoFile: Nice mug shots.  All that group needs is a pit bull and they'd be the 21st century meth-head version of Scooby Doo.


upload.wikimedia.org

???
 
2013-08-20 09:30:27 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The father should absolutely be charged.  I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons.  If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.


This, even if your weapon is stolen. Unless a LOT of effort was made by the thief (like, stealing the whole gun safe), a stolen gun means you neglected your responsibilities as a gun owner.
 
2013-08-20 09:30:29 PM

TuteTibiImperes: doglover: Carbine = Handgun?

Are we going by the medieval definition where "handgun" means anything that doesn't require a sledge and oxen to move?

Googling around it appears this is what a Hi-Point .45 Carbine looks like:

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x311]

And I thought all the gun nuts were assuring us that people didn't buy assault rifles to hunt and kill other people.



It's not an assault rifle. It's a cheap .45-caliber carbine dressed up as something out of a video game.
 
2013-08-20 09:30:47 PM

Mrbogey: TuteTibiImperes: The father should absolutely be charged.  I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons.  If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.

You're walking the argument. He essentially let the son have access to it knowing it's illegal for a minor to have a handgun. That's world's different than a handgun being stolen from an owner and being used illegally.

TuteTibiImperes: And I thought all the gun nuts were assuring us that people didn't buy assault rifles to hunt and kill other people.

That's a dishonest statement, and you know it. The abusive taunt was just flare. It's as honest as saying gun control advocates believe banning guns will eliminate all murders.


Wrong


And


Wrong
 
2013-08-20 09:31:42 PM

sno man: doglover: Carbine = Handgun?

Are we going by the medieval definition where "handgun" means anything that doesn't require a sledge and oxen to move?

what subby's handgun looks like:
[www.thefirearmblog.com image 800x310]


I'm 6'5" 350 lbs... If the balance is pretty close to the grip I'd like to try firing that one handed. At least a a few rounds. We'd be sure to get the video on YouTube either way.
 
2013-08-20 09:31:50 PM

Nabb1: Looking at his cohorts, it appears his gang was multi-racial and had a female as well. Nice to see kids can cross ethnic and gender barriers to find common interests.


They're like the gang from "Rumble in the Bronx". Which was of course shot in Vancouver.
 
2013-08-20 09:32:04 PM
F*ck this. I'm going to go buy a couple extra rifles and a few thousand rounds to stock up because you KNOW they're coming for our guns after this one
 
2013-08-20 09:32:24 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The father should absolutely be charged.  I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons.  If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.


LOL that would mean people would have to take personal responsibility, and no one believes in THAT!
 
2013-08-20 09:33:49 PM
Dang it 'Murica. What happened to you that bored white kids keep going about and killing people because killing relieves the boredom.

Oh yea right.....
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-20 09:35:13 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: Hey Subby:

The man is accused of knowingly allowing his son to take a weapon from his home to shoot people with, not purchasing a weapon.

Purchasing a weapon for your son = totes legalsies

Letting your child remove your weapon from your property to repeatedly commit murder = totes not legalsies

Read the farking article


I hope to one day read a judicial opinion containing the phrase "totes legalsies".
 
2013-08-20 09:36:47 PM
This is why I oppose multiculturalism. Look at that gang.
 
2013-08-20 09:36:51 PM
FTFA:  The father also told police he bought the carbine and 100 rounds of ammunition because his son "was having problems with unidentified subjects in Poinciana, Florida," records state. And in a separate interview, the son told police that he regularly took the carbine from his father's house.

Yeah, that's good parenting right there.
 
2013-08-20 09:36:59 PM
I can't believe people still remember Lothar of the Hill People.

Isn't that skit like 25 years old? And it's not like it was a big hit like Sprockets, Toonces or Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.

/and yes, father and son should be charged
//jesus, the kid treated it like a video game. Shot and killed someone on the way to the bus stop. Father responded by taking the gun away. Kid stole it back and killed someone else a month later. He's a farking psychopath.
 
2013-08-20 09:37:29 PM
Shot someone walking to the bus stop just for "fun"?

If this isn't what the death penalty is for I don't know what it is for.
 
2013-08-20 09:37:34 PM
I'm going to become a hobbit. You cannot go anywhere anymore without fear of being shot.

/maybe just invest in a bullet proof vest
 
2013-08-20 09:37:56 PM

LordJiro: TuteTibiImperes: The father should absolutely be charged.  I'd go as far as to say that gun owners should be held liable for any crimes committed with their weapons.  If you're going to own a gun, you have the responsibility to protect it and keep it locked up so that miscreants can't access it.

This, even if your weapon is stolen. Unless a LOT of effort was made by the thief (like, stealing the whole gun safe), a stolen gun means you neglected your responsibilities as a gun owner.


So in this case, the guy kept letting his son walk with the weapon, I agree.

But what about me? My wife and I have no kids. No reason to have a gun safe, we both know how to use them.

You would arrest me if someone broke into my house and stole my property? What if my door was locked? Is that safe enough for you?
 
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