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2013-08-20 06:52:09 PM
12 votes:

dee_dubya: Yep, you guys are right. I'll bet the sheep asphyxiated themselves, then the wolves came along and had a snack. No chance the wolves running the sheep caused them to bunch and asphyxiate.


Rams don't run from wolves. They're called rams, like the verb, because they farking ram things. They're basically a short temper on legs.

Upset the natural order and remove all the rams from 100s of ewes and see the power of unnatural fear. If there had been two or three rams, this story would be about one dead sheep or less.

Anyone who blames the wolves here can suck the long dick and choke on it.
2013-08-20 06:57:29 PM
9 votes:
So...lemme see if I understand this correctly...

Two wolves find a sheep herd of over two thousand sheep, and because they're in a pen, the wolves can get in, but the sheep can't get out and the two wolves have a grand night of chasing sheep.

So much so that the stupid things piled up on top of each other in a panic to get away and killed themselves in their stupidity, while the wolves kill about ten of them in their chasing.

Then cap the night off by eating a sheep and then disappearing into the night.

And through it all, the vigilant shepherds didn't take notice until about 1am and didn't get out there in time to stop the wolves' games and late night dinner.

And of course, it's not the shepherds' faults for being stupid and not watching over their sheep close enough when they're trapped in a pen that they can't escape...

It's the wolves' fault for being wolves and liking the taste of sheep and like chasing sheep.

In the wild, these two wolves would have undoubtedly found a herd of deer and probably managed to chase down the slowest of them and had a nice dinner.  Nature at work.  But, in this case, they found a bunch of trapped sheep and some stupid shepherds who are bad at their job.

Title should be "2 wolves killed 10 sheep; stupid shepherds kill 166 sheep"
2013-08-20 06:52:06 PM
8 votes:

meat0918: r1niceboy: meat0918: Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.

They all died piled up on top of each other. I'm not buying a word of this story apart from some wolves had an all you can eat buffet.

That's a good call when dealing with wolf kill stories out of Idaho.


Yep.  When wolves were reintroduced, there was an odd reduction of accidental, medical, and neglect related deaths.  For some reason every sheep to die in the state died to a wolf attack.  Most odd.
2013-08-20 07:06:31 PM
6 votes:
Wolves don't go into enclosed pens. You know what goes into enclosed pens and chases sheep around (biting, but not eating them)? Dogs.
2013-08-20 07:10:20 PM
4 votes:

69gnarkill69: This guy's herd is attacked by wolves and he's the asshole.


The guy's heard wasn't "attacked" by wolves. It was harried slightly.

The sheep killed themselves. The fact they were ABLE to bunch up tight enough to kill each other raises SERIOUS questions about herd density and geography. The fact the wolves weren't run off by shepherds or rams is the other ball dropping.

This guy isn't a rancher, he's a warehouse owner who thought sheep are just living shipping containers. fark him.
2013-08-20 06:54:50 PM
4 votes:

doglover: dee_dubya: Yep, you guys are right. I'll bet the sheep asphyxiated themselves, then the wolves came along and had a snack. No chance the wolves running the sheep caused them to bunch and asphyxiate.

Rams don't run from wolves. They're called rams, like the verb, because they farking ram things. They're basically a short temper on legs.

Upset the natural order and remove all the rams from 100s of ewes and see the power of unnatural fear. If there had been two or three rams, this story would be about one dead sheep or less.

Anyone who blames the wolves here can suck the long dick and choke on it.


This. Why should we give a fark about some dumbshiat ranchers when they fail to properly protect their livestock?

I have no sympathy for ranchers blaming nature for their failures.
2013-08-20 08:22:18 PM
3 votes:

BGates: 2wolves: BGates: doglover: dee_dubya: Yep, you guys are right. I'll bet the sheep asphyxiated themselves, then the wolves came along and had a snack. No chance the wolves running the sheep caused them to bunch and asphyxiate.

Rams don't run from wolves. They're called rams, like the verb, because they farking ram things. They're basically a short temper on legs.

Upset the natural order and remove all the rams from 100s of ewes and see the power of unnatural fear. If there had been two or three rams, this story would be about one dead sheep or less.

Anyone who blames the wolves here can suck the long dick and choke on it.

And anybody who thinks the introduction of a non-native wolf is good for "nature" is a complete idiot (look in a mirror if you can't figure out I'm talking about your dumb ass).

You want these POS wolves, come get them.  Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.

I can only hope your weapon jams. Like to see your face when you're no longer the apex preditor.

I imagine that the wolves will be eating you since you won't have a weapon.  And I promise I won't harm any wolf that eats one of you wolf loving idiots.


We've had this discussion before.  You're still sucking the cock of the Old Testament where man was given dominion.  You are not that special.
2013-08-20 07:54:34 PM
3 votes:
I don't care how much livestock dies from wolves. Ranchers are just a bunch of self-entitles crybabies who think man is the only species that deserves to exist (apart from the ones they raise for slaughter). Where I live, an alarming number of people believe that every elk, every deer, every sheep that dies was murdered by wolves. They take FWP statistics of elk death after an especially brutal winter, and leap to the conclusion that wolves killed them all. To listen to these troglodytes, elk would be immortal if not for wolves.
2013-08-20 07:22:58 PM
3 votes:

HeadLever: LockeOak: Sounds like the rancher needs a better fence, or insurance, or sheep dogs, or rams.

Sheep dogs or rams doesn't work very well against a pack of wolves.  Also, he may have insurance and these were likely out on open range.


If he was on federal/public land, then look at all the farks I give:

None. None farks.

/feel kinda bad for the sheep
2013-08-20 07:15:42 PM
3 votes:

HeadLever: LordJiro: You plop your ranch in the middle of a predator's habitat

Acutally, the wolves were reintroduced back in 1995.  It is likely that the rancher was there first.


RE-introduced.
2013-08-20 07:11:28 PM
3 votes:

69gnarkill69: doglover: Explodo: And people wonder why ranchers attempted to prevent the wolves from being reintroduced.  That's a significant financial hit.

Good. Hopefully the asshole who owned them goes out of business and has to take up another occupation where they're not responsible for others' lives.

This guy's herd is attacked by wolves and he's the asshole.  City folk are so funny.


You plop your ranch in the middle of a predator's habitat, raise animals that have been bred over centuries to be dumb as fark, place them in convenient pens that the aforementioned predator can trap the dumbass animals inside...and you get pissed at wolves for doing what comes naturally?
2013-08-20 06:43:21 PM
3 votes:
Yep, you guys are right. I'll bet the sheep asphyxiated themselves, then the wolves came along and had a snack. No chance the wolves running the sheep caused them to bunch and asphyxiate.
2013-08-20 06:34:58 PM
3 votes:

r1niceboy: meat0918: Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.

They all died piled up on top of each other. I'm not buying a word of this story apart from some wolves had an all you can eat buffet.


That's a good call when dealing with wolf kill stories out of Idaho.
2013-08-20 06:21:58 PM
3 votes:
Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.
2013-08-20 10:03:06 PM
2 votes:

HeadLever: wolves are not known for killing sheep?


Not wastefully. Not like this.

And I'm not about to trust a bunch of ranchers who just want to re-exterminate the wolves to make their job easier and will use any excuse to do so to give accurate statements.

Call me when they've got hard proof of something beyond poor animal husbandry and the existence of canines.
2013-08-20 09:33:44 PM
2 votes:
I'm just surprised that so far nobody but me has blamed dogs. Which will run and kill sheep in just this same way. I know, because we had to put down our German shepherd who was running goats in much this fashion; and my friend in Nevada has seen dogs kill cattle like this and heard it blamed on "coyotes" in the same way. Not saying wolves won't kill sheep, of course; but dogs seems far more likely if there were only two.
2013-08-20 08:41:25 PM
2 votes:
I believe it. At least, I believe the part that 10 sheep died of bites, one was partially eaten and the rest died in panic.

Sheep are amazingly stupid and when they panic, they stampede, like any other herd animal. If they can't run, or if nothing else is there to calm them down, they'll pile up against barriers and trample each other to death.

Wolves have a "pursuit" strategy when they hunt; that is, they tend to chase prey which runs from them. They sometimes have difficulty understanding prey which cannot or will not run, and may bite it excessively, trying to get it to run so they can chase it. However, if the prey doesn't run, wolves usually leave it alone--that's why pronghorn have made a big comeback in Yellowstone since wolves have been reintroduced: Wolves don't eat the fawns, and chase off the coyotes that do.

Now, coyotes will eat sheep, but are small, and can't take down more than one; and sheep can and will fight back against one or two coyotes. And coyotes don't drive prey, they're not fast enough. Coyotes are stalkers, and wouldn't take on a huge herd of sheep, and certainly couldn't kill ten or eleven sheep.

There is a third large canine common in Idaho that can run sheep, kill several animals in a short period of time, and would kill several animals but not eat them. One that is big enough to drive the flock into a panic severe enough to lead to a stampede and has the stamina to kill a dozen sheep in the course of the evening. Anyone know how many big dogs that rancher has, I wonder?
2013-08-20 08:20:07 PM
2 votes:

BGates: They do attack and have killed.  With the wolf population exploding, it won't be long before it happens.  A couple years ago a few wolves had to be relocated because they were roaming the neighborhoods in a Jackson subdivision.


Again, I know you're trolling, but to humor you, wolves are the most researched animal on the planet.  The wolf population isn't exploding.

More people have been attacked and killed by dogs this year than there has been people attacked and killed by wolves so far this century.
2013-08-20 08:19:26 PM
2 votes:
Coming from a long line of farmers, not ranchers, I'm not quite sure how I feel about this.  My two exposures to herds of sheep in childhood did teach me that they are dumber than bags of hair, and even more so than cattle, have a strong herd mentality.  I don't feel too bad for the rancher who lost his sheep, stuff happens.  I also really don't care about the 1-2 farkers in this thread who choose to hunt wolves, they are predators.  About the only thing that I can say is living in Colorado and with much of my farming family still on the Plains is that I saw a whole lot more damage and destruction dealt by coyotes than anything else.  Heck, that's an animal I'd go out and shoot myself for fun and games.  We're not quite in wolf country here, unless one goes up into the mountains.  Then, it's really more the bears one needs to be fearful of.  We don't have a huge wolf population here, AFAIK.  The sheep will reproduce anyway, it's about all that they're good at.
2013-08-20 08:13:01 PM
2 votes:

BGates: Glitchwerks: BGates: I imagine that the wolves will be eating you since you won't have a weapon.  And I promise I won't harm any wolf that eats one of you wolf loving idiots.

I know you got a good thing going on and a lot of people hooked, but wolves don't really eat people.

They do attack and have killed.  With the wolf population exploding, it won't be long before it happens.  A couple years ago a few wolves had to be relocated because they were roaming the neighborhoods in a Jackson subdivision.


If/when something happens, then you have the right to get outraged.  Until then, stop perpetuating the wolf-hating rancher stereotype.
2013-08-20 08:09:35 PM
2 votes:

HeadLever: ficklefkrfark: IIRC Turkish kangals, Great Pyrenees, and Caucasian overtchkas (spelling wrong) have been bred for centuries to work in teams to prevent wolf predation....they are very large (100-180lbs)and very serious about their jobs.

They are effective aginst one or two wolves.  Against a pack of wolves, however, they are less effective.  We have quite a number of Basques here and they use guard dogs with some success against the lone wolves.   Against a pack of wolves, they need to typically replace them.


Reading that it seems that a large number of LGDs can be very effective, unless they are up against a large pack...in those cases a ranch hand should be responding to the ruckus to provide ballistic assistance.
I commercial fish and we have to deal with predators eating our catch and damaging our gear on a regular basis, it sucks, but it's part of the job and we have to deal with it(can't really blame an animal for wanting an easy meal)....ranchers use public land, and get compensation for lost animals?
We need better lobbyists I guess.

/wolves should have the right to live, and ranchers should have the right to kill the ones harassing their herds.
2013-08-20 08:03:39 PM
2 votes:
HEY YOU CITY SLACKERS! YOU'RE ALL STUPID AND EVIL! MY BUDDY'S A SCIENCTICIAN AND HE DONE TOLD ME WOLVES IS BAD, M'KAY!

I'M TOTALLY CEREAL!
2013-08-20 07:53:46 PM
2 votes:

BGates: Anybody who says the wolves were "re-introduced" needs to get educated.  The wolves the "re-introduced" were a different sub species of gray wolf.  The Canadian Gray's were "introduced".  And when they were, they completely killed off the native wolf that was endangered.

These non-native wolves are sterilizing the areas where they roam.

Until you big talking city slickers actually have to deal with these vermin, shut the hell up because what you read is complete BS.  All created by "environmentalists" who falsified data to say that wolves were actually good for nature.

Until they are under control I will shoot every wolf I see.


CITATION NEEDED
2013-08-20 07:49:25 PM
2 votes:

BGates: doglover: dee_dubya: Yep, you guys are right. I'll bet the sheep asphyxiated themselves, then the wolves came along and had a snack. No chance the wolves running the sheep caused them to bunch and asphyxiate.

Rams don't run from wolves. They're called rams, like the verb, because they farking ram things. They're basically a short temper on legs.

Upset the natural order and remove all the rams from 100s of ewes and see the power of unnatural fear. If there had been two or three rams, this story would be about one dead sheep or less.

Anyone who blames the wolves here can suck the long dick and choke on it.

And anybody who thinks the introduction of a non-native wolf is good for "nature" is a complete idiot (look in a mirror if you can't figure out I'm talking about your dumb ass).

You want these POS wolves, come get them.  Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.


The wolves were natives until men killed them all off. Now they've been reintroduced to their native environment. It's the humans who are the non-natives.
2013-08-20 07:47:48 PM
2 votes:
How do we know it was wolves that spooked the sheep? Maybe it was the sight of one rancher, buck-naked, pulling on a pair of rubber boots and Velcro gloves...
2013-08-20 07:46:59 PM
2 votes:

BGates: doglover: dee_dubya: Yep, you guys are right. I'll bet the sheep asphyxiated themselves, then the wolves came along and had a snack. No chance the wolves running the sheep caused them to bunch and asphyxiate.

Rams don't run from wolves. They're called rams, like the verb, because they farking ram things. They're basically a short temper on legs.

Upset the natural order and remove all the rams from 100s of ewes and see the power of unnatural fear. If there had been two or three rams, this story would be about one dead sheep or less.

Anyone who blames the wolves here can suck the long dick and choke on it.

And anybody who thinks the introduction of a non-native wolf is good for "nature" is a complete idiot (look in a mirror if you can't figure out I'm talking about your dumb ass).

You want these POS wolves, come get them.  Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.


I can only hope your weapon jams. Like to see your face when you're no longer the apex preditor.
2013-08-20 07:42:21 PM
2 votes:

ArcadianRefugee: HeadLever: Right, Because you were there and know exactly what happened.

Or he can do math.

a herd of about 2,400
wolves killed 10 (or 11)


Yeah, some folks here don't have a clue on how long it takes for a neck bite to choke out a sheep. Still the wannabe rancher will say all the loss of livestock was due directly to my brothers.

He must have been raised by humans.
2013-08-20 07:34:22 PM
2 votes:

HeadLever: ficklefkrfark: IIRC Turkish kangals, Great Pyrenees, and Caucasian overtchkas (spelling wrong) have been bred for centuries to work in teams to prevent wolf predation....they are very large (100-180lbs)and very serious about their jobs.

They are effective aginst one or two wolves.  Against a pack of wolves, however, they are less effective.  We have quite a number of Basques here and they use guard dogs with some success against the lone wolves.   Against a pack of wolves, they need to typically replace them.


Well, good, because it was 2 wolves in this case. But you already knew that.
2013-08-20 07:31:35 PM
2 votes:

Smelly Pirate Hooker: r1niceboy: meat0918: Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.

They all died piled up on top of each other. I'm not buying a word of this story apart from some wolves had an all you can eat buffet.

Yeah, that sounded fishy to me too. I'm no sheep expert, but ...


Same thing happens to humans. You hear about 100s dying in rushes at Mecca or other crowded spots? A lot of that is asphyxiation.
2013-08-20 07:26:59 PM
2 votes:
Domesticated sheep are incredibly stupid due to regressive inbreeding of genetic lines.  That they all asphyxiated is not surprising.  We have bred them not to be able to survive without our intervention. Then we fed them in a cannibalistic manner and got scrapie.

Wolves breed pretty quickly, so, eventually something will need to be done to keep them in check.  Of course, ranchers would love to wipe them out again, but they would like to wipe out anyone who isn't a direct benefit to their operation.  A lot of ranchers, not all, if they could, would steal your land right out from under you without a second thought.  There is a sense of entitlement in ranching culture that doesn't have room for anyone else in its vision of the world.

/knows a few ranching families
2013-08-20 07:25:56 PM
2 votes:

Smelly Pirate Hooker: FTFA: "almost all of the sheep died from asphyxiation. About 10 died of bite wounds and one was partially consumed"

So 165 died from panic, and the rest were killed by wolves.

I guess shepherds don't math or reason too well.


Shepherds don't shepherd too well either, apparently.
2013-08-20 07:24:04 PM
2 votes:

HeadLever: doyner: HeadLever: LordJiro: You plop your ranch in the middle of a predator's habitat

Acutally, the wolves were reintroduced back in 1995.  It is likely that the rancher was there first.

So by that logic, what if those specific sheep are less than 18 years old?

We were talking about the rancher, remember?  Not his sheep.  Try again.


Yes, but he introduced those sheep.  That's the point.
2013-08-20 07:22:45 PM
2 votes:

HeadLever: LockeOak: Sounds like the rancher needs a better fence, or insurance, or sheep dogs, or rams.

Sheep dogs or rams doesn't work very well against a pack of wolves.  Also, he may have insurance and these were likely out on open range.


IIRC Turkish kangals, Great Pyrenees, and Caucasian overtchkas (spelling wrong) have been bred for centuries to work in teams to prevent wolf predation....they are very large (100-180lbs)and very serious about their jobs. The Caucasian will actively try to kill wolves near its flock.
Ranchers in the telluride area have been using kangals for awhile now and here predation has dropped significantly.
2013-08-20 07:10:41 PM
2 votes:

HeadLever: LockeOak: Sounds like the rancher needs a better fence, or insurance, or sheep dogs, or rams.

Sheep dogs or rams doesn't work very well against a pack of wolves.


But how about against just 2 wolves?
2013-08-20 07:08:06 PM
2 votes:

highendmighty: BenJammin: It must have been werewolves.

Werewolves?


There wolves.

images.nationalgeographic.com

There Castle

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2013-08-20 07:01:16 PM
2 votes:
'almost all of the sheep died from asphyxiation. About 10 died of bite wounds and one was partially consumed.'

Soooooo.....two wolves tried and succeeded in eating one sheep after tasting nearly a dozen, and the rest of the herd formed a deadly, wooly cheerleader pyramid that collapsed and they suffocated?

Let's review....

Lamb:Tasty (to both hominids and canids)
Lamb: Stupider than I thought, feel less bad about eating.
Wolf: Doing what it's supposed to do, and surprised by rancher butthurt wrongly applied to them.
Wolf: Kills coyotes, which are more of a problem that wolves.
Rancher: Butthurt, sad (girlfriend was one of the suffocated), and whiny.
Rancher: "Why!! Oh!! Why!!! Let's kill every wolf!! My poor Baaarbara!!
2013-08-20 06:58:25 PM
2 votes:
Asphyxiation? Did the wolves strangle them?

Whatever...now the ranchers have a convenient excuse to go on a wolf-killing spree.

That's the idea, right?
2013-08-20 06:52:57 PM
2 votes:

Explodo: And people wonder why ranchers attempted to prevent the wolves from being reintroduced.  That's a significant financial hit.


Too bad they couldn't buy some insurance to protect their business from such financial hits. Oh, wait.

Also, why the SICK tag, subby? Nature's cruel, but come on. It's not like the wolves conspired to suffocate 165 sheep for no good reason.

/How stupid do you have to be to asphyxiate yourself in a panic? Seems counter-evolutionary.
2013-08-20 06:47:05 PM
2 votes:
And people wonder why ranchers attempted to prevent the wolves from being reintroduced.  That's a significant financial hit.
2013-08-21 03:21:44 PM
1 votes:

HeadLever: a particular individual: Is it just me, or is HeadLever flooding the board in a most obnoxious manner?

By the way, have you come up with that mysterious report that  shows my earlier point to be 'nonsense and completely made up by people who don't have any facts to back up their hysterical hatred of wolves'?


Why, yes. Yes, I did. Here: (Although in my experience, fanatics like you will never, ever change their minds regardless of the information they're presented with. It's what makes you a fanatic.)

Low pregnancy rates in elk not due to wolves

Wolves are not responsible for low pregnancy rates in elk, according to a new study published today in the scientific journal Ecology Letters.

The research, led by recent University of Wyoming Phd graduate Arthur Middleton, shows that elk don't respond frequently enough to wolves to impact body fat and pregnancy rates. Wolves' impact on elk populations is limited to direct predation, not harassment or stress that leads to lower pregnancy rates or poor body composition. Middleton was studying the Clarks Fork elk herd near Cody when he and other scientists noticed the dramatically low pregnancy rate of the herd. The first year it was only 59 percent. The average of that year and the subsequent three years was about 70 percent. A normal pregnancy rate for Rocky Mountain Elk is about 90 percent, Middleton said. "That was very eye opening," Middleton said. "We knew we had something we needed to understand better." Middleton, along with the Wyoming Cooperative Fish and Wildlife Research Unit, a U.S. Geological Survey program housed at the University of Wyoming, wanted to know if the low pregnancy rate could be due to the wolves in the area.

 See more at: http://wyofile.com/kelsey-dayton/low-pregnancy-rates-in-elk-not-due-t o -wolves/#sthash.DqVuD4tU.dpuf
2013-08-21 04:26:54 AM
1 votes:

HeadLever: grimlock1972: Beacause if they had done a better job they would only have lost one or two sheep not mass of them that they did.

You really don't know that.  You don't know the circumstances behind the location of where they were or how/when it happened.


True enough but its clear no one was there to chase off or kill the wolves to prevent them from harming the sheep. That is the side i would like ot hear what precautions if any were in place to prevent something like this from happening.  I do not expect to hear it though as it is too easy to blame the wolves and hide the rancher's shortcomings in protecting his live stock.

My guess is little to none which is foolish in an area where wolves are known to live and hunt.
2013-08-21 12:57:57 AM
1 votes:
Firstly, hi obstinate lunkheads of all sides. I like to make good impressions, and if you are offended by what I just said, which I did not include names on, you probably deserved to be offended.

Now then, ... is anyone else missing the fact that the sheep literally killed over 1000% of what the wolves did? SHEEP: THE BANE OF ALL SHEEP.

So, if I have this right, the sheep startled themselves into a bunk, then suffocated. Would a gunshot do that as well? How confined were these sheep that they did their 'defensive huddle' formation SO TIGHT that they suffocated?

Hmm... and regarding Headleaver - why are your numbers like that, in the 'too many sheep killed to be eaten' list you provided; most of them end in the teens, with a few hitting higher and lower... then one that has over a hundred sheep killed. What were the circumstances that lead to such a discrepency between that kill and the others you provided? Was it another strangulation? I would find it very difficult to believe wolves, coyotes, bears, or goats (you know the goats eat ANYTHING, and are heard animals... they have a powerful media arm so you DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT THOUGH o_o) would kill so many sheep; with that many carcasses they wouldn't waste their time killing more, risking injury to procure food that is already plentiful. My best guess is it takes the sheep a bit to die, so they nip and rip a few of them before the sheep start dropping, thus a sort of 'timer game' goes on where a number of sheep are wounded, but not so much so that they are within the wolves threshold for edibility. I could be wrong, I don't know how they hunt, but based on the comments here, it seems like the wolves are attempting to provoke the sheep to run, and doing that by biting.

none of this changes the fact that two wolves shouldn't be able to kill so many in the first place - TWO WOLVES. That is woeful incompetence by the owners of the sheep, a PACK of wolves, sure, ya, that's not really something so easy to manage at 1 am, but you suck as an anything if you let two wolves - TWO - kill 5% of your flock. If it was two Grizzly bears, that'd be different, but this isn't even a pack of wolves... that's just sad. Maybe get better defenses so stray wolves can't pull this kinda stuff, or maybe get less retarded sheep somehow.
2013-08-21 12:45:49 AM
1 votes:

HeadLever: Plus it has been shown that decreases in elk fertility is tied to wolves.


No, it hasn't. That bit of apocrypha was foisted off on fools by fools. I recently read a report on that nonsense. It turns out that it was completely made up by people who don't have any facts to back up their hysterical hatred of wolves.
2013-08-21 12:07:37 AM
1 votes:

HeadLever: special20: FIVE PERCENT.

in about an hour.


That's the sheep's fault. The wolves only bit 10. Can't blame the wolves for years of inbreeding and docility. Anything that spooks them could cause the same.
2013-08-20 11:40:42 PM
1 votes:
It's well known humans will hunt, or go to the supermarket and buy, more food than they can eat at the time.  Sensitive to decomposition, unlike wolves, they usually place the excess in a refrigerator or freezer.
2013-08-20 11:06:54 PM
1 votes:

HeadLever: doglover: Blame dogs, an animal known for this kind of behavior, instead of wolves (not really known for this)

wolves are not known for killing sheep?  Are you high?


Wolves don't usually kill sheep like this. Dogs usually do. I've seen and heard reliable reports of dogs running sheep and goats in exactly this fashion, in areas that have no wolves to blame the killings on. Since coyotes can't and don't kill sheep in these numbers, where there are no wolves it MUST be dogs. So why suddenly are wolves solely to blame? What's happening is that mass livestock killings that were formerly not publicized due to being dog killings are now (conveniently) being laid off on wolves so that ranchers and people like yourself who have a hardon for killing wolves will have an excuse.

While I don't doubt that wolves will kill sheep when they get the chance; and I know that wolves sometimes freak out when their prey can't or won't run properly (especially juvenile wolves who go crazy like teenagers anywhere); it seems far more likely to me that given the choice rare predators running sheep and common predators running sheep, the nod should go to the common predators. Or is it your contention that prior to the introduction of wolves, there were no sheep-killings anywhere in Idaho?
2013-08-20 11:05:17 PM
1 votes:
why fer goddsakes wouldn't you have a at least a couple of large shepherding dogs guarding the sheep? Before wolves, weren't there coyotes, mountain lions, feral dogs and thieves trying to get at your livestock?

If I had 2,000 sheep I would invest in a few dogs. Komondor, Great Pyrenees or Anatolian Shepherd, not that rare in the U.S.anymore.
2013-08-20 10:12:01 PM
1 votes:

Chinchillazilla: jayhawk88: Dumber animal: Sheep or chicken?

Sheep. By far. A sheep makes a chicken look like Alex the parrot.


It depends on the breed, but on the whole, sheep are smarter than chickens. Sheep have sharp memories, for one thing. They recognize faces -- sheep and human both, in my experience -- and know the difference between people they know and, well, people they don't. As prey animals with a strong flight drive, they are typically wary of strangers (and strange situations), but calm around people they know. They'll still startle, but they won't panic.

They don't have the best spatial reasoning skills, but once they learn a route, they remember it. They're trainable. Halter training? All you need is patience, treats, and time. The friendliest ones really thrive on attention. They're like big dogs, frankly, only they smell better and are less into the whole fetch thing. (That's more of a predator animal activity.)

Chickens aren't stupid -- they're incredibly good survivors, and have a social structure of their own -- but I have yet to see any evidence that they are as intelligent as sheep. Their instincts don't seem to be as complex, nor their memories as long.

I'm not an expert. At all. I just grew up around both species. So... take that as you will.
2013-08-20 10:04:22 PM
1 votes:

doglover: HeadLever: wolves are not known for killing sheep?

Not wastefully. Not like this.

And I'm not about to trust a bunch of ranchers who just want to re-exterminate the wolves to make their job easier and will use any excuse to do so to give accurate statements.

Call me when they've got hard proof of something beyond poor animal husbandry and the existence of canines.


HeadLever is an admitted wolf hunter. Take what he says with a grain of salt and wash your hands after. Scummy and evil.
2013-08-20 09:56:21 PM
1 votes:
That seems a little excessive.
2013-08-20 09:49:58 PM
1 votes:
Bullsh*t. Redneck sisterf*cking ranchers blame wolves for what likely was the work of coyotes or wild dogs. Not even a PACK could kill that many sheep. Submitter's a farking moron. Ranchers are farking morons.
2013-08-20 09:42:03 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: I'm just surprised that so far nobody but me has blamed dogs. Which will run and kill sheep in just this same way. I know, because we had to put down our German shepherd who was running goats in much this fashion; and my friend in Nevada has seen dogs kill cattle like this and heard it blamed on "coyotes" in the same way. Not saying wolves won't kill sheep, of course; but dogs seems far more likely if there were only two.


Blame dogs, an animal known for this kind of behavior, instead of wolves (not really known for this)?

Nubian you crubian!
2013-08-20 09:15:23 PM
1 votes:

ArcadianRefugee: iaazathot: Everything I have read or heard on the matter (radio, we have a daily Wyoming Today on NPR) of wolf re-population is that their numbers came back very fast and they spread faster than anticipated.

This is true. From the few dozen that were released into Yellowstone and Idaho, by 2007 an estimated 1,500 wolves inhabited the northern Rockies of the United States (some descended from Canadian immigrant packs, but still).

Now, I get ranchers being annoyed, but this is one of the sillier complaints noted;
As the wolves have feasted on the herds, there have been fewer elk for hunters to shoot. "Our hunting has really gone lousy," said Martin Davis ofParadise Valley, Montana, who guides elk hunters in the mountains north of Yellowstone NationalPark.Translation: "Dangit! The wolves are killin' things before we get to kill 'em!"


Yeah, elk decline is largely due to drought, Chronic Wasting Disease, loss of habitat due to humans, and horrible fire seasons.  Of course, people need to pin their frustrations on something.  There is little evidence that the wolf population has decimated the elk population.  They are just one of many variables and are pretty low on the list.
2013-08-20 09:09:19 PM
1 votes:

BGates: Glitchwerks: BGates: I imagine that the wolves will be eating you since you won't have a weapon.  And I promise I won't harm any wolf that eats one of you wolf loving idiots.

I know you got a good thing going on and a lot of people hooked, but wolves don't really eat people.

They do attack and have killed.  With the wolf population exploding, it won't be long before it happens.  A couple years ago a few wolves had to be relocated because they were roaming the neighborhoods in a Jackson subdivision.


You say this like it's a bad thing...I keed, I keed, but no...

The Orlando, FL area is having a huge number of black bear encounters right now, coyotes are also encroaching on urban populations.  At some point nature and people collide.  If you want to live in places where animals are prevalent and expect them to magically disappear, then I don't think the fault is with the animals.  I think that statistical odds of murder are much greater than wolf attack, even in Jackson Hole.  Moose are much more dangerous than either bears or wolves, and they are all over Wyoming.  You are statistically more likely to be killed by a female moose in this area than by any other mammal.

The only recorded attack in Wyoming that I can find was from 1833 in Green River by a rabid wolf.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_attacks_on_humans

It may very well happen that wolves might attack a human again.  As a whole, wolf attacks are extremely statistically rare in the last two centuries.
2013-08-20 09:07:49 PM
1 votes:

ArcadianRefugee: iaazathot: Everything I have read or heard on the matter (radio, we have a daily Wyoming Today on NPR) of wolf re-population is that their numbers came back very fast and they spread faster than anticipated.

This is true. From the few dozen that were released into Yellowstone and Idaho, by 2007 an estimated 1,500 wolves inhabited the northern Rockies of the United States (some descended from Canadian immigrant packs, but still).

Now, I get ranchers being annoyed, but this is one of the sillier complaints noted;
As the wolves have feasted on the herds, there have been fewer elk for hunters to shoot. "Our hunting has really gone lousy," said Martin Davis ofParadise Valley, Montana, who guides elk hunters in the mountains north of Yellowstone NationalPark.Translation: "Dangit! The wolves are killin' things before we get to kill 'em!"


The guide sevices talk out of the other side of their mouth in their ads trying to attract hunters to the abundant local herds of elk and other game.
2013-08-20 09:07:06 PM
1 votes:

BGates: a particular individual: I don't care how much livestock dies from wolves. Ranchers are just a bunch of self-entitles crybabies who think man is the only species that deserves to exist (apart from the ones they raise for slaughter). Where I live, an alarming number of people believe that every elk, every deer, every sheep that dies was murdered by wolves. They take FWP statistics of elk death after an especially brutal winter, and leap to the conclusion that wolves killed them all. To listen to these troglodytes, elk would be immortal if not for wolves.

Well, since winters have generally been getting less "brutal" and the ungulate populations are in steep decline only in areas with wolves, it makes sense that wolves are the problem.


Yes. Only wolves kill ungulates. Ungulates are immortal, apart from those supernatural wolves, and their single-minded anti-ungulate agenda. A warmer-than-average-winter cannot possibly kill any ungulates. Ungulates never die from old age, injury, disease, overpopulation, starvation, trappers, poachers, bad luck, falling from great heights, getting hit by ranchers in their ludicrously oversized trucks, bears, or wolverines. All elk, deer and sheep that have ever died have been victims of wolves. The only solution is to KILL ALL THE WOLVES! Only then will ranchers STFU about wolves and complain about some other natural condition that needs to be "corrected" because money.
2013-08-20 09:02:46 PM
1 votes:

BGates: Until you big talking city slickers actually have to deal with these vermin


People actually say "big-talking city slickers" in places where wolves reign over humans?
2013-08-20 08:56:54 PM
1 votes:

iaazathot: Everything I have read or heard on the matter (radio, we have a daily Wyoming Today on NPR) of wolf re-population is that their numbers came back very fast and they spread faster than anticipated.


This is true. From the few dozen that were released into Yellowstone and Idaho, by 2007 an estimated 1,500 wolves inhabited the northern Rockies of the United States (some descended from Canadian immigrant packs, but still).

Now, I get ranchers being annoyed, but this is one of the sillier complaints noted;
As the wolves have feasted on the herds, there have been fewer elk for hunters to shoot. "Our hunting has really gone lousy," said Martin Davis ofParadise Valley, Montana, who guides elk hunters in the mountains north of Yellowstone NationalPark.
Translation: "Dangit! The wolves are killin' things before we get to kill 'em!"
2013-08-20 08:50:25 PM
1 votes:

doglover: BGates: ungulate populations are in steep decline only in areas with wolves

YA THINK!?

[blog.littlebigfund.org image 850x637]


I suggest that you check out Chronic Wasting Desease, drought, and fires in those same areas.  Woops, seems like a pretty high correlation!  Science, how does it work?
2013-08-20 08:49:06 PM
1 votes:

keypusher: doglover: BGates: ungulate populations are in steep decline only in areas with wolves

YA THINK!?

[blog.littlebigfund.org image 850x637]

Why did you put a picture of a polar bear in a post about animals with hooves?


It's not the animal, it's the gesture.

Wolves were re-introduced because ungulate populations are out of control without predation all over north America. Without frequent culls and hunting, they do damage to everything in the forest as well as people's gardens and farms and cars. This is in sharp contrast to the places like northern Canada where the wolves never got slaughtered which still have decent balance.

So the bear covering it's face is to imply the one speaking is missing the point so badly when they say ungulate populations are declining that I must cover my face to shield myself from their obliviousness.
2013-08-20 08:47:38 PM
1 votes:

Arachnophobe: iaazathot: Domesticated sheep are incredibly stupid due to regressive inbreeding of genetic lines.  That they all asphyxiated is not surprising.  We have bred them not to be able to survive without our intervention. Then we fed them in a cannibalistic manner and got scrapie.

Wolves breed pretty quickly, so, eventually something will need to be done to keep them in check.  Of course, ranchers would love to wipe them out again, but they would like to wipe out anyone who isn't a direct benefit to their operation.  A lot of ranchers, not all, if they could, would steal your land right out from under you without a second thought.  There is a sense of entitlement in ranching culture that doesn't have room for anyone else in its vision of the world.

/knows a few ranching families

Wolves do not breed 'pretty quickly'. They have one litter per year on average.

The rest of your post is pretty spot on. This is nothing more than another example of a rancher who is bad at their job.


Everything I have read or heard on the matter (radio, we have a daily Wyoming Today on NPR) of wolf re-population is that their numbers came back very fast and they spread faster than anticipated.  No, they aren't rabbits, or humans for that matter, but they do seem to be reproducing at a rate higher than anticipated.  I would estimate that they have a good survival rate in their litters compared to some other mammals, or they are breeding faster for some reason.  However, I am certainly no expert.
2013-08-20 08:43:08 PM
1 votes:
A) Bullshiat

B) the federal government pays any farmers for wolf killed live stock, so stop pretending that hte farmers are out money.
2013-08-20 08:40:25 PM
1 votes:

Cubicle Jockey: HeadLever: Yep, wolves will joykill from time to time.  Happened near Dillion Montana a few years ago.  Just a fact when you live near wolves.


Can you point me to any primary research describing this phenomenon? I can only find information on opportunistic mass kills where the wolves return to feed from the "excess" carcasses at a later time.


CJ, you are attacking an article of faith here. It doesn't occur to the people claiming this that wolves often starve - ignorant of their ecology, they even claim this isn't the case.  "How could a wolf starve when there are still uneaten pets in people's yards and humans walking around as feasts?" their fantasy of what wolves are doesn't fit with it. So it never occurs that when they buy ten pounds of meat at the supermarket, and maybe don't eat ANY of it immediately (putting it in the fridge, as humans need to), that by their logic they bought the future meals for the "joy" of it, and were involved in the death of the cow involved for the same reason.
2013-08-20 08:32:15 PM
1 votes:
So, the toll of the wolf hunts in Idaho driving livestock losses higher and higher is continuing to new records as they kill more and more, wrecking the packs an their ability to feed themselves on their natural prey.

This is simply a continuation of what happened the last couple of years.  Kill wolves at random, destroy their ability to regulate their own population, use that as an excuse to kill more random wolves and dig their state and all involved into the same hole deeper.

Now after Wisconsin's first "limited" wolf hunt, the packs have become much more defensive of their territories as loss of pack members reduced their strength against other wolves, and bear hunters running hounds out of sight in wolf territory there are having twice the incidents of the wolves defending their territories against the invading wolves threatening them and their pups, that ignore scent marks and howl they own the place instead. 8 or 9 incidents in the last month.  Oh, and Michigan wants to copy the idea of shooting a few wolves, partly on the basis it might have the opposite effect there, make wolves welcome other wolves (the dogs) into their territories.
2013-08-20 08:21:42 PM
1 votes:

macdaddy357: 2 wolves and 176 sheep voted on what to have for lunch.


hah, good reference.
2013-08-20 08:19:18 PM
1 votes:

Glitchwerks: 2wolves: You want these POS wolves, come get them.  Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.

I can only hope your weapon jams. Like to see your face when you're no longer the apex preditor.

The wolf would probably saunter off and not do a thing.  Wolves rarely attack humans.


Hey now, I have it on good authority from all our Fark Ranchers that wolves kill everything in their path, just for the hell of it. I'll bet those sheep died from heart attacks after they saw the wolves' glowing, red eyes and their foot long teeth
2013-08-20 08:17:25 PM
1 votes:

FormlessOne: meat0918: Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.

And we're done.


They killed 10, actually.  And ate part of one of those 10.
2013-08-20 08:17:07 PM
1 votes:

BGates: Glitchwerks: I know you got a good thing going on and a lot of people hooked, but wolves don't really eat people.

They do attack and have killed.


Yes, and people have died from having a cow fall through their roof and crush them. However, compared to the many, many other ways to die, it really hasn't happened with enough frequency to cause any alarm. Ever.

With the wolf population exploding, it won't be long before it happens.

Possibly, but pure speculation.

A couple years ago a few wolves had to be relocated because they were roaming the neighborhoods in a Jackson subdivision.

And how long were they roaming this area? And how many people did they attack? I'm guessing the answer to that last one is "none" or you would've mentioned it.
2013-08-20 08:16:58 PM
1 votes:

doglover: BGates: The Canadian wolves are much larger and much more aggressive.

According to who. The Rocky Mountain Wolf isn't exactly a beagle sized lap dog.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Rocky_Mountains_wolf

This subspecies generally weighs 70-135 pounds (32-61 kg) and stands at 26-32 inches, making it one of the largest subspecies of the gray wolf in existence. Reading the wiki, it seems that the reintroduced wolves were of the Great Plains Wolf and the Mackenzie Valley Wolf, both Canadian.

The Great Plains Wolf is smaller than the NRM wolf, the Mackenzie Valley Wolf is larger. It doesn't say which one was primarily used.
2013-08-20 08:15:16 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.


And we're done.
2013-08-20 08:15:08 PM
1 votes:

HeadLever: a particular individual: I don't care how much livestock dies from wolves.

Then I don't care what you think.  You are a bigoted moron.


You can tell all that from one post? Just imagine what I've gleaned from your short missive.

Wolves were here first. Ranchers want to drive wolves to extinction. That is the depth of arrogance, short-sightedness and entitlement.

By the way, you're a bigoted moron.

See what I did there?
2013-08-20 08:09:59 PM
1 votes:

BGates: It's been shown that David Mech falsified and lied about much of his data


Not yet in this thread it hasn't.
2013-08-20 08:05:22 PM
1 votes:

BGates: I imagine that the wolves will be eating you since you won't have a weapon.  And I promise I won't harm any wolf that eats one of you wolf loving idiots.


I know you got a good thing going on and a lot of people hooked, but wolves don't really eat people.
2013-08-20 08:00:35 PM
1 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: BGates: Anybody who says the wolves were "re-introduced" needs to get educated.  The wolves the "re-introduced" were a different sub species of gray wolf.  The Canadian Gray's were "introduced".  And when they were, they completely killed off the native wolf that was endangered.

These non-native wolves are sterilizing the areas where they roam.

Until you big talking city slickers actually have to deal with these vermin, shut the hell up because what you read is complete BS.  All created by "environmentalists" who falsified data to say that wolves were actually good for nature.

Until they are under control I will shoot every wolf I see.

CITATION NEEDED


He just KNOWS it in his GUT, something us dirty CITY folk and them there scienticians can't possibly understand!
2013-08-20 08:00:05 PM
1 votes:

BGates: The Canadian wolves are much larger and much more aggressive.


According to who. The Rocky Mountain Wolf isn't exactly a beagle sized lap dog.
2013-08-20 07:58:58 PM
1 votes:
Wolves and Ranchers.  This can only mean one thing.


www.geekenstein.com


/hot link
//I know one of yous was thinking of this.
2013-08-20 07:53:32 PM
1 votes:

BGates: Until you big talking city slickers actually have to deal with these vermin, shut the hell up because what you read is complete BS.


People still use that term?
2013-08-20 07:46:36 PM
1 votes:

iaazathot: Domesticated sheep are incredibly stupid due to regressive inbreeding of genetic lines.  That they all asphyxiated is not surprising.  We have bred them not to be able to survive without our intervention. Then we fed them in a cannibalistic manner and got scrapie.

Wolves breed pretty quickly, so, eventually something will need to be done to keep them in check.  Of course, ranchers would love to wipe them out again, but they would like to wipe out anyone who isn't a direct benefit to their operation.  A lot of ranchers, not all, if they could, would steal your land right out from under you without a second thought.  There is a sense of entitlement in ranching culture that doesn't have room for anyone else in its vision of the world.

/knows a few ranching families


Wolves do not breed 'pretty quickly'. They have one litter per year on average.

The rest of your post is pretty spot on. This is nothing more than another example of a rancher who is bad at their job.
2013-08-20 07:45:42 PM
1 votes:

BGates: doglover: dee_dubya: Yep, you guys are right. I'll bet the sheep asphyxiated themselves, then the wolves came along and had a snack. No chance the wolves running the sheep caused them to bunch and asphyxiate.

Rams don't run from wolves. They're called rams, like the verb, because they farking ram things. They're basically a short temper on legs.

Upset the natural order and remove all the rams from 100s of ewes and see the power of unnatural fear. If there had been two or three rams, this story would be about one dead sheep or less.

Anyone who blames the wolves here can suck the long dick and choke on it.

And anybody who thinks the introduction of a non-native wolf is good for "nature" is a complete idiot (look in a mirror if you can't figure out I'm talking about your dumb ass).

You want these POS wolves, come get them.  Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.


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I'm a shakin' in my boots.
2013-08-20 07:40:05 PM
1 votes:

doglover: Smelly Pirate Hooker: r1niceboy: meat0918: Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.

They all died piled up on top of each other. I'm not buying a word of this story apart from some wolves had an all you can eat buffet.

Yeah, that sounded fishy to me too. I'm no sheep expert, but ...

Same thing happens to humans. You hear about 100s dying in rushes at Mecca or other crowded spots? A lot of that is asphyxiation.


Yeah, I know. For some reason, I thought animals were smarter about not suffocating themselves by stampeding or whatever. I guess I'm wrong.
2013-08-20 07:38:15 PM
1 votes:
First, how do they know it was wolves if they didn't go out to investigate while the attack was happening. And how do they know it was only 2? Some details are missing from the story.

/Don't shepherds usually watch their flocks more closely than this?
2013-08-20 07:36:55 PM
1 votes:

HeadLever: Right, Because you were there and know exactly what happened.


Or he can do math.

a herd of about 2,400
wolves killed 10 (or 11)
2013-08-20 07:32:32 PM
1 votes:

CygnusDarius: Clearly this is Robb Stark's doing. How will we stop this northern madman?.


Well done!
2013-08-20 07:29:02 PM
1 votes:

BenJammin: It must have been werewolves.


local overheard telling reporters to 'keep to the road and stay clear of the moors'.

/do NOT ask about the pentagram in the pub.
2013-08-20 07:27:16 PM
1 votes:

ficklefkrfark: IIRC Turkish kangals, Great Pyrenees, and Caucasian overtchkas (spelling wrong) have been bred for centuries to work in teams to prevent wolf predation....they are very large (100-180lbs)and very serious about their jobs.


They are effective aginst one or two wolves.  Against a pack of wolves, however, they are less effective.  We have quite a number of Basques here and they use guard dogs with some success against the lone wolves.   Against a pack of wolves, they need to typically replace them.
2013-08-20 07:26:39 PM
1 votes:

r1niceboy: meat0918: Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.

They all died piled up on top of each other. I'm not buying a word of this story apart from some wolves had an all you can eat buffet.


Yeah, that sounded fishy to me too. I'm no sheep expert, but ...
2013-08-20 07:26:00 PM
1 votes:
The wolves just did what wolves do.   yes they killed 10 sheep and panicked the other to the point they killed themselves by packing into too tightly together.

The owner of the herd/flock and his employees are just as much to blame if not more as they failed to adequately protect their livestock.
2013-08-20 07:24:52 PM
1 votes:
FTFA: "almost all of the sheep died from asphyxiation. About 10 died of bite wounds and one was partially consumed"

So 165 died from panic, and the rest were killed by wolves.

I guess shepherds don't math or reason too well.
2013-08-20 07:24:51 PM
1 votes:

doyner: HeadLever: doyner: HeadLever: LordJiro: You plop your ranch in the middle of a predator's habitat

Acutally, the wolves were reintroduced back in 1995.  It is likely that the rancher was there first.

So by that logic, what if those specific sheep are less than 18 years old?

We were talking about the rancher, remember?  Not his sheep.  Try again.

Yes, but he introduced those sheep.  That's the point.


NEWSFLASH!

Animals get eaten by other animals out in the wild. Story at 11.
2013-08-20 07:24:29 PM
1 votes:

HeadLever: doglover: HeadLever: LordJiro: You plop your ranch in the middle of a predator's habitat

Acutally, the wolves were reintroduced back in 1995.  It is likely that the rancher was there first.

RE-introduced.

Do you  have trouble with reading?  Isn't that what I said?


Who was there first is a really shiatty argument, but is pretty solid in legal terms if I understand it correctly.

I run into it all the time sadly.

The factory was here first!  Actually, homesteaders were, they were forced to sell their land in the 40's

The railroad was here first!  Actually, a school was there, one of the first in the area.  They knocked it down in the late 1800s and cut a growing community in half because, money "progress"

If we really want to argue who was here first, one can almost always say "The Native Americans".  That shuts that talk down right quick.
2013-08-20 07:22:37 PM
1 votes:
www.avoidinglife.com

Could be mistaken identity
2013-08-20 07:16:07 PM
1 votes:
Ran out of mint jelly after the seventh one.
2013-08-20 07:13:41 PM
1 votes:

LordJiro: You plop your ranch in the middle of a predator's habitat


Acutally, the wolves were reintroduced back in 1995.  It is likely that the rancher was there first.
2013-08-20 07:13:19 PM
1 votes:
Sheep. Probably the dumbest creatures that we eat that don't have wings or fins, and even then I'm not too sure.
2013-08-20 07:06:47 PM
1 votes:

r1niceboy: meat0918: Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.

They all died piled up on top of each other. I'm not buying a word of this story apart from some wolves had an all you can eat buffet.


It's nothing against the wolves, but wolf killed livestock give you better government compensation than flukes of nature.

/The wolves have invented garroting
//NSA doesn't want you to know
2013-08-20 07:00:56 PM
1 votes:

LockeOak: Sounds like the rancher needs a better fence, or insurance, or sheep dogs, or rams.


Attack llamas.

i457.photobucket.com
2013-08-20 06:58:17 PM
1 votes:

Explodo: And people wonder why ranchers attempted to prevent the wolves from being reintroduced.  That's a significant financial hit.


Good. Hopefully the asshole who owned them goes out of business and has to take up another occupation where they're not responsible for others' lives.
2013-08-20 06:58:09 PM
1 votes:

jayhawk88: Dumber animal: Sheep or chicken?


Sheep. By far. A sheep makes a chicken look like Alex the parrot.
2013-08-20 06:58:08 PM
1 votes:
Sounds like the rancher needs a better fence, or insurance, or sheep dogs, or rams.
2013-08-20 06:56:39 PM
1 votes:
State Director Todd Grimm?
I think he's telling a fairy tale.
2013-08-20 06:56:29 PM
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: meat0918: r1niceboy: meat0918: Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.

They all died piled up on top of each other. I'm not buying a word of this story apart from some wolves had an all you can eat buffet.

That's a good call when dealing with wolf kill stories out of Idaho.

Yep.  When wolves were reintroduced, there was an odd reduction of accidental, medical, and neglect related deaths.  For some reason every sheep to die in the state died to a wolf attack.  Most odd.


Would ranchers try to pull the wool over our eyes?  I don't think they have the chops. They're just salt-of-the-earth types trying not to get fleeced.
2013-08-20 06:54:57 PM
1 votes:
We're on it!

rattytime.files.wordpress.com
2013-08-20 06:51:33 PM
1 votes:
sick? More like massive BBQ and Christmas sweaters for the whole town
2013-08-20 06:50:06 PM
1 votes:
I was gonna say they plunged off a cliff. What a sheep may look like plunging off a cliff. skip to 1:40 sfw
Link
2013-08-20 06:29:49 PM
1 votes:
www.weirdspace.dk
I'm on it
2013-08-20 06:27:02 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.


They all died piled up on top of each other. I'm not buying a word of this story apart from some wolves had an all you can eat buffet.
 
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