HeadLever: grimlock1972: Beacause if they had done a better job they would only have lost one or two sheep not mass of them that they did.You really don't know that. You don't know the circumstances behind the location of where they were or how/when it happened.
Smeggy Smurf: Sock Ruh Tease: BGates: Until you big talking city slickers actually have to deal with these verminPeople actually say "big-talking city slickers" in places where wolves reign over humans?Would you prefer dumbass city folk?
Explodo: And people wonder why ranchers attempted to prevent the wolves from being reintroduced. That's a significant financial hit.
a particular individual: No, it hasn't.
a particular individual: I recently read a report on that nonsense. It turns out that it was completely made up by people who don't have any facts to back up their hysterical hatred of wolves.
Wisdomsage: why are your numbers like that, in the 'too many sheep killed to be eaten' list you provided; most of them end in the teens, with a few hitting higher and lower... then one that has over a hundred sheep killed. What were the circumstances that lead to such a discrepency between that kill and the others you provided? Was it another strangulation?
Wisdomsage: with that many carcasses they wouldn't waste their time killing more, risking injury to procure food that is already plentiful.
Wisdomsage: none of this changes the fact that two wolves shouldn't be able to kill so many in the first place - TWO WOLVES. That is woeful incompetence by the owners of the sheep, a PACK of wolves, sure, ya, that's not really something so easy to manage at 1 am, but you suck as an anything if you let two wolves - TWO - kill 5% of your flock.
ficklefkrfark: I hope our country will eventually come to its senses and start finding common ground again.
grimlock1972: True enough but its clear no one was there to chase off or kill the wolves to prevent them from harming the sheep.
Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: How do they know it was wolves and not feral dogs, which are more likely to attack and kill just for the hell of it?
Smeggy Smurf: HeadLever, I have to ask. Are you teaching at BSU?
farkingismybusiness: [www.hipsterwave.com image 593x393]Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All.
doglover: Rams don't run from wolves. They're called rams, like the verb, because they farking ram things. They're basically a short temper on legs.
HeadLever: grimlock1972: True enough but its clear no one was there to chase off or kill the wolves to prevent them from harming the sheep.Not sure. Maybe they had guard dogs (they have been known to use them in the past). Maybe they or a hired had was there but was too far away to get there in time.
Wake Up Sheeple: Snort: Wake up sheeple!I LOL'd this morning. Thanks.
HeadLever: doglover: Rams don't run from wolves. They're called rams, like the verb, because they farking ram things. They're basically a short temper on legs.Heh, I did not see this 'gem O' knowledge' earlier. So you think that rams would have made the difference here? Have you ever been on a farm even once in your life?Want to know something? The night in Dillion, Montana where about 120 sheep were killed in one night? Yeah, they were all purebred Rambouillet rams. They ran from wolves. They were killed by the dozen. Not sure where you are pulling these dumb arguemnts from. Oh, wait, yes I do - your butt.
grimlock1972: Either way the owner of the flock must have been aware of the risks as it no secret wolves live in that area.
HeadLever: a particular individual: No, it hasn't.You really don't know what you are talking about."We knew the presence of wolves caused lower calf-cow ratios, but we didn't know why," he [Scott Creek, Ecology Professor at Montana State University] said. "Radiocollaring calves revealed that calf numbers were low immediately after the birth pulse, suggesting that a decline in the birth rate was part of the population decline."
a particular individual: Is it just me, or is HeadLever flooding the board in a most obnoxious manner?
HeadLever: a particular individual: Is it just me, or is HeadLever flooding the board in a most obnoxious manner?By the way, have you come up with that mysterious report that shows my earlier point to be 'nonsense and completely made up by people who don't have any facts to back up their hysterical hatred of wolves'?
a particular individual: The research, led by recent University of Wyoming Phd graduate Arthur Middleton, shows that elk don't respond frequently enough to wolves to impact body fat and pregnancy rates. Wolves' impact on elk populations is limited to direct predation, not harassment or stress that leads to lower pregnancy rates or poor body composition. Middleton was studying the Clarks Fork elk herd near Cody when he and other scientists noticed the dramatically low pregnancy rate of the herd. The first year it was only 59 percent. The average of that year and the subsequent three years was about 70 percent. A normal pregnancy rate for Rocky Mountain Elk is about 90 percent, Middleton said. "That was very eye opening," Middleton said. "We knew we had something we needed to understand better." Middleton, along with the Wyoming Cooperative Fish and Wildlife Research Unit, a U.S. Geological Survey program housed at the University of Wyoming, wanted to know if the low pregnancy rate could be due to the wolves in the area.See more at: http://wyofile.com/kelsey-dayton/low-pregnancy-rates-in-elk-not-due-t o -wolves/#sthash.DqVuD4tU.dpuf
a particular individual: Why, yes. Yes, I did
a particular individual: I especially like this part:"Large predators, like grizzly bears and wolves, elicit emotional responses from people who are quick to attribute and blame changes on the animals.
HeadLever: Also per your link: The low pregnancy rates are most likely due to drought, but more research is needed, including a look at a more regional scale, Middleton said.
HeadLever: a particular individual: I especially like this part:"Large predators, like grizzly bears and wolves, elicit emotional responses from people who are quick to attribute and blame changes on the animals.Yeah, I have seen this angle as well. It is just as annoying as those that stick their head in the sand and can't acknowledge under any circumstance that wolves do have an impact on big game herds and livestock.
a particular individual: As I predicted, your fanatical hatred of wolves blinds you to all information contrary to your prejudices
HeadLever: When you are on open range like this, you cannot prevent sheep from stampeeding themselves to death. . . . When you own animals that are dumb as a box of rocks, this kind of crap sometimes happens.
HeadLever: Smeggy Smurf: HeadLever, I have to ask. Are you teaching at BSU?Nope, gainfully employeed with an engineering firm downtown near the green belt.
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