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2013-08-20 07:53:48 PM

HeadLever: ArcadianRefugee: 10 had bite wounds, one was partially consumed. What did they do to the others that constitute an attack? Noogie them?

I am not talking about the others.  I am talking about the 10 or 11 that acutally had holes in them.


Oh, well, obviously the wolves attacked them.

Unless they were suicides designed to look like wolf attacks. Or maybe the sheep were part of the asphyxiation pile and the wolves were trying to rescue them, pull them to safety. It's not as if wolves have hands to do that with, so obviously they'd have to use their mouths.

It's like breaking someone's rib when you give them the Heimlich maneuver.
 
2013-08-20 07:54:34 PM
I don't care how much livestock dies from wolves. Ranchers are just a bunch of self-entitles crybabies who think man is the only species that deserves to exist (apart from the ones they raise for slaughter). Where I live, an alarming number of people believe that every elk, every deer, every sheep that dies was murdered by wolves. They take FWP statistics of elk death after an especially brutal winter, and leap to the conclusion that wolves killed them all. To listen to these troglodytes, elk would be immortal if not for wolves.
 
2013-08-20 07:55:05 PM

ArcadianRefugee: BGates: Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.

As opposed to, what, passively shooting them? How would that work? Indirect (arc) fire?


Well it means that I actively try to shoot wolves.  I actually go out wolf hunting instead of sitting and drinking a beer on my deck.
 
2013-08-20 07:56:16 PM

a particular individual: I don't care how much livestock dies from wolves.


Then I don't care what you think.  You are a bigoted moron.
 
2013-08-20 07:58:10 PM

cynicalbastard: How do we know it was wolves that spooked the sheep? Maybe it was the sight of one rancher, buck-naked, pulling on a pair of rubber boots and Velcro gloves...


The sheep are used to that.
 
2013-08-20 07:58:58 PM
Wolves and Ranchers.  This can only mean one thing.


www.geekenstein.com


/hot link
//I know one of yous was thinking of this.
 
2013-08-20 08:00:05 PM

BGates: The Canadian wolves are much larger and much more aggressive.


According to who. The Rocky Mountain Wolf isn't exactly a beagle sized lap dog.
 
2013-08-20 08:00:35 PM

Mike Chewbacca: BGates: Anybody who says the wolves were "re-introduced" needs to get educated.  The wolves the "re-introduced" were a different sub species of gray wolf.  The Canadian Gray's were "introduced".  And when they were, they completely killed off the native wolf that was endangered.

These non-native wolves are sterilizing the areas where they roam.

Until you big talking city slickers actually have to deal with these vermin, shut the hell up because what you read is complete BS.  All created by "environmentalists" who falsified data to say that wolves were actually good for nature.

Until they are under control I will shoot every wolf I see.

CITATION NEEDED


He just KNOWS it in his GUT, something us dirty CITY folk and them there scienticians can't possibly understand!
 
2013-08-20 08:00:56 PM

BGates: ArcadianRefugee: BGates: Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.

As opposed to, what, passively shooting them? How would that work? Indirect (arc) fire?

Well it means that I actively try to shoot wolves.  I actually go out wolf hunting instead of sitting and drinking a beer on my deck.


From this story, it sounds like it might be more effective to get some sheep and wait for the wolves to come to you, but that might be considered passively hunting, which just isn't ITG enough.
 
2013-08-20 08:01:21 PM
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2013-08-20 08:02:11 PM

2wolves: You want these POS wolves, come get them.  Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.

I can only hope your weapon jams. Like to see your face when you're no longer the apex preditor.


The wolf would probably saunter off and not do a thing.  Wolves rarely attack humans.
 
2013-08-20 08:03:03 PM

Mole Man: Wolves and Ranchers.  This can only mean one thing.


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/hot link
//I know one of yous was thinking of this.


It still cracks me up that the guy in that costume ended up being "Mozzie" in White Collar.
 
2013-08-20 08:03:27 PM

a particular individual: I don't care how much livestock dies from wolves. Ranchers are just a bunch of self-entitles crybabies who think man is the only species that deserves to exist (apart from the ones they raise for slaughter). Where I live, an alarming number of people believe that every elk, every deer, every sheep that dies was murdered by wolves. They take FWP statistics of elk death after an especially brutal winter, and leap to the conclusion that wolves killed them all. To listen to these troglodytes, elk would be immortal if not for wolves.


Well, since winters have generally been getting less "brutal" and the ungulate populations are in steep decline only in areas with wolves, it makes sense that wolves are the problem.
 
2013-08-20 08:03:39 PM
HEY YOU CITY SLACKERS! YOU'RE ALL STUPID AND EVIL! MY BUDDY'S A SCIENCTICIAN AND HE DONE TOLD ME WOLVES IS BAD, M'KAY!

I'M TOTALLY CEREAL!
 
2013-08-20 08:04:51 PM

BGates: ungulate populations are in steep decline only in areas with wolves


YA THINK!?

blog.littlebigfund.org
 
2013-08-20 08:05:22 PM

BGates: I imagine that the wolves will be eating you since you won't have a weapon.  And I promise I won't harm any wolf that eats one of you wolf loving idiots.


I know you got a good thing going on and a lot of people hooked, but wolves don't really eat people.
 
2013-08-20 08:05:47 PM

Mike Chewbacca: BGates: Anybody who says the wolves were "re-introduced" needs to get educated.  The wolves the "re-introduced" were a different sub species of gray wolf.  The Canadian Gray's were "introduced".  And when they were, they completely killed off the native wolf that was endangered.

These non-native wolves are sterilizing the areas where they roam.

Until you big talking city slickers actually have to deal with these vermin, shut the hell up because what you read is complete BS.  All created by "environmentalists" who falsified data to say that wolves were actually good for nature.

Until they are under control I will shoot every wolf I see.

CITATION NEEDED


It's been shown that David Mech falsified and lied about much of his data.  He even said he did.  And he was the main reason that Canadian wolves were introduced in 1995.
 
2013-08-20 08:05:49 PM

BGates: ArcadianRefugee: BGates: Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.

As opposed to, what, passively shooting them? How would that work? Indirect (arc) fire?

Well it means that I actively try to shoot wolves.  I actually go out wolf hunting instead of sitting and drinking a beer on my deck.


Ah, ok. As opposed to shooting and accidentally hitting a wolf instead of . . . whatever you were actually trying to shoot.

/it can happen
 
2013-08-20 08:09:35 PM

HeadLever: ficklefkrfark: IIRC Turkish kangals, Great Pyrenees, and Caucasian overtchkas (spelling wrong) have been bred for centuries to work in teams to prevent wolf predation....they are very large (100-180lbs)and very serious about their jobs.

They are effective aginst one or two wolves.  Against a pack of wolves, however, they are less effective.  We have quite a number of Basques here and they use guard dogs with some success against the lone wolves.   Against a pack of wolves, they need to typically replace them.


Reading that it seems that a large number of LGDs can be very effective, unless they are up against a large pack...in those cases a ranch hand should be responding to the ruckus to provide ballistic assistance.
I commercial fish and we have to deal with predators eating our catch and damaging our gear on a regular basis, it sucks, but it's part of the job and we have to deal with it(can't really blame an animal for wanting an easy meal)....ranchers use public land, and get compensation for lost animals?
We need better lobbyists I guess.

/wolves should have the right to live, and ranchers should have the right to kill the ones harassing their herds.
 
2013-08-20 08:09:59 PM

BGates: It's been shown that David Mech falsified and lied about much of his data


Not yet in this thread it hasn't.
 
2013-08-20 08:10:17 PM

meat0918: LockeOak: Sounds like the rancher needs a better fence, or insurance, or sheep dogs, or rams.

Attack llamas.

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2013-08-20 08:10:23 PM

Glitchwerks: BGates: I imagine that the wolves will be eating you since you won't have a weapon.  And I promise I won't harm any wolf that eats one of you wolf loving idiots.

I know you got a good thing going on and a lot of people hooked, but wolves don't really eat people.


They do attack and have killed.  With the wolf population exploding, it won't be long before it happens.  A couple years ago a few wolves had to be relocated because they were roaming the neighborhoods in a Jackson subdivision.
 
2013-08-20 08:11:40 PM

doglover: HEY YOU CITY SLACKERS! YOU'RE ALL STUPID AND EVIL! MY BUDDY'S A SCIENCTICIAN AND HE DONE TOLD ME WOLVES IS BAD, M'KAY!

I'M TOTALLY CEREAL!


Heh, I was just reading that, although I stopped when he used the FOXesque, "according to some".
 
2013-08-20 08:12:44 PM

doglover: HEY YOU CITY SLACKERS! YOU'RE ALL STUPID AND EVIL! MY BUDDY'S A SCIENCTICIAN AND HE DONE TOLD ME WOLVES IS BAD, M'KAY!

I'M TOTALLY CEREAL!


Ad Hominem
Any credibility you had to this point in the thread has been lost.  Grow up little man.
 
2013-08-20 08:13:01 PM

BGates: Glitchwerks: BGates: I imagine that the wolves will be eating you since you won't have a weapon.  And I promise I won't harm any wolf that eats one of you wolf loving idiots.

I know you got a good thing going on and a lot of people hooked, but wolves don't really eat people.

They do attack and have killed.  With the wolf population exploding, it won't be long before it happens.  A couple years ago a few wolves had to be relocated because they were roaming the neighborhoods in a Jackson subdivision.


If/when something happens, then you have the right to get outraged.  Until then, stop perpetuating the wolf-hating rancher stereotype.
 
2013-08-20 08:15:08 PM

HeadLever: a particular individual: I don't care how much livestock dies from wolves.

Then I don't care what you think.  You are a bigoted moron.


You can tell all that from one post? Just imagine what I've gleaned from your short missive.

Wolves were here first. Ranchers want to drive wolves to extinction. That is the depth of arrogance, short-sightedness and entitlement.

By the way, you're a bigoted moron.

See what I did there?
 
2013-08-20 08:15:16 PM

meat0918: Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.


And we're done.
 
2013-08-20 08:16:14 PM

69gnarkill69: Ad Hominem


It's only a fallacy if it's not true.
 
2013-08-20 08:16:58 PM

doglover: BGates: The Canadian wolves are much larger and much more aggressive.

According to who. The Rocky Mountain Wolf isn't exactly a beagle sized lap dog.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Rocky_Mountains_wolf

This subspecies generally weighs 70-135 pounds (32-61 kg) and stands at 26-32 inches, making it one of the largest subspecies of the gray wolf in existence. Reading the wiki, it seems that the reintroduced wolves were of the Great Plains Wolf and the Mackenzie Valley Wolf, both Canadian.

The Great Plains Wolf is smaller than the NRM wolf, the Mackenzie Valley Wolf is larger. It doesn't say which one was primarily used.
 
2013-08-20 08:17:07 PM

BGates: Glitchwerks: I know you got a good thing going on and a lot of people hooked, but wolves don't really eat people.

They do attack and have killed.


Yes, and people have died from having a cow fall through their roof and crush them. However, compared to the many, many other ways to die, it really hasn't happened with enough frequency to cause any alarm. Ever.

With the wolf population exploding, it won't be long before it happens.

Possibly, but pure speculation.

A couple years ago a few wolves had to be relocated because they were roaming the neighborhoods in a Jackson subdivision.

And how long were they roaming this area? And how many people did they attack? I'm guessing the answer to that last one is "none" or you would've mentioned it.
 
2013-08-20 08:17:25 PM

FormlessOne: meat0918: Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.

And we're done.


They killed 10, actually.  And ate part of one of those 10.
 
2013-08-20 08:19:18 PM

Glitchwerks: 2wolves: You want these POS wolves, come get them.  Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.

I can only hope your weapon jams. Like to see your face when you're no longer the apex preditor.

The wolf would probably saunter off and not do a thing.  Wolves rarely attack humans.


Hey now, I have it on good authority from all our Fark Ranchers that wolves kill everything in their path, just for the hell of it. I'll bet those sheep died from heart attacks after they saw the wolves' glowing, red eyes and their foot long teeth
 
2013-08-20 08:19:26 PM
Coming from a long line of farmers, not ranchers, I'm not quite sure how I feel about this.  My two exposures to herds of sheep in childhood did teach me that they are dumber than bags of hair, and even more so than cattle, have a strong herd mentality.  I don't feel too bad for the rancher who lost his sheep, stuff happens.  I also really don't care about the 1-2 farkers in this thread who choose to hunt wolves, they are predators.  About the only thing that I can say is living in Colorado and with much of my farming family still on the Plains is that I saw a whole lot more damage and destruction dealt by coyotes than anything else.  Heck, that's an animal I'd go out and shoot myself for fun and games.  We're not quite in wolf country here, unless one goes up into the mountains.  Then, it's really more the bears one needs to be fearful of.  We don't have a huge wolf population here, AFAIK.  The sheep will reproduce anyway, it's about all that they're good at.
 
2013-08-20 08:20:07 PM

BGates: They do attack and have killed.  With the wolf population exploding, it won't be long before it happens.  A couple years ago a few wolves had to be relocated because they were roaming the neighborhoods in a Jackson subdivision.


Again, I know you're trolling, but to humor you, wolves are the most researched animal on the planet.  The wolf population isn't exploding.

More people have been attacked and killed by dogs this year than there has been people attacked and killed by wolves so far this century.
 
2013-08-20 08:20:45 PM
2 wolves and 176 sheep voted on what to have for lunch.
 
2013-08-20 08:21:19 PM
Oddly topical, this happened to be my first green.
 
2013-08-20 08:21:42 PM

macdaddy357: 2 wolves and 176 sheep voted on what to have for lunch.


hah, good reference.
 
2013-08-20 08:22:00 PM

macdaddy357: 2 wolves and 176 sheep voted on what to have for lunch.


See! The 1% make all the decisions!!!!
 
2013-08-20 08:22:15 PM

Infernalist: FormlessOne: meat0918: Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.

And we're done.

They killed 10, actually.  And ate part of one of those 10.


Your honor, I am not an experienced sheep killer! I did not hop in that pen expecting to eat ANYONE! I simply tasted a little of each in the hopes that the next one would taste better! I'm sure your honor has done the same thing with a box of chocolates.

/sole survivor of a 35 minute delay
//not obscure, methinks
 
2013-08-20 08:22:18 PM

BGates: 2wolves: BGates: doglover: dee_dubya: Yep, you guys are right. I'll bet the sheep asphyxiated themselves, then the wolves came along and had a snack. No chance the wolves running the sheep caused them to bunch and asphyxiate.

Rams don't run from wolves. They're called rams, like the verb, because they farking ram things. They're basically a short temper on legs.

Upset the natural order and remove all the rams from 100s of ewes and see the power of unnatural fear. If there had been two or three rams, this story would be about one dead sheep or less.

Anyone who blames the wolves here can suck the long dick and choke on it.

And anybody who thinks the introduction of a non-native wolf is good for "nature" is a complete idiot (look in a mirror if you can't figure out I'm talking about your dumb ass).

You want these POS wolves, come get them.  Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.

I can only hope your weapon jams. Like to see your face when you're no longer the apex preditor.

I imagine that the wolves will be eating you since you won't have a weapon.  And I promise I won't harm any wolf that eats one of you wolf loving idiots.


We've had this discussion before.  You're still sucking the cock of the Old Testament where man was given dominion.  You are not that special.
 
2013-08-20 08:22:44 PM
This is why I hate furries
 
2013-08-20 08:26:49 PM

HeadLever: Yep, wolves will joykill from time to time.  Happened near Dillion Montana a few years ago.  Just a fact when you live near wolves.



Can you point me to any primary research describing this phenomenon? I can only find information on opportunistic mass kills where the wolves return to feed from the "excess" carcasses at a later time.
 
2013-08-20 08:29:43 PM

Infernalist: They killed 10, actually. And ate part of one of those 10.


The article isn't clear on that; it could be read either way:
About 10 died of bite wounds and one was partially consumed.
Sounds like 11 to me ("ten and one", rather than "10, one of which...").

But who's counting? I tried, but I fell asleep.
 
2013-08-20 08:31:06 PM
This wouldn't have happened if he had put up something to protect the sheep.

www.internet-d.com
 
2013-08-20 08:32:15 PM
So, the toll of the wolf hunts in Idaho driving livestock losses higher and higher is continuing to new records as they kill more and more, wrecking the packs an their ability to feed themselves on their natural prey.

This is simply a continuation of what happened the last couple of years.  Kill wolves at random, destroy their ability to regulate their own population, use that as an excuse to kill more random wolves and dig their state and all involved into the same hole deeper.

Now after Wisconsin's first "limited" wolf hunt, the packs have become much more defensive of their territories as loss of pack members reduced their strength against other wolves, and bear hunters running hounds out of sight in wolf territory there are having twice the incidents of the wolves defending their territories against the invading wolves threatening them and their pups, that ignore scent marks and howl they own the place instead. 8 or 9 incidents in the last month.  Oh, and Michigan wants to copy the idea of shooting a few wolves, partly on the basis it might have the opposite effect there, make wolves welcome other wolves (the dogs) into their territories.
 
2013-08-20 08:38:00 PM
specialkae:   The sheep will reproduce anyway, it's about all that they're good at.

You don't say....

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2013-08-20 08:39:20 PM

SwiftFox: So, the toll of the wolf hunts in Idaho driving livestock losses higher and higher is continuing to new records as they kill more and more, wrecking the packs an their ability to feed themselves on their natural prey.

This is simply a continuation of what happened the last couple of years.  Kill wolves at random, destroy their ability to regulate their own population, use that as an excuse to kill more random wolves and dig their state and all involved into the same hole deeper.

Now after Wisconsin's first "limited" wolf hunt, the packs have become much more defensive of their territories as loss of pack members reduced their strength against other wolves, and bear hunters running hounds out of sight in wolf territory there are having twice the incidents of the wolves defending their territories against the invading wolves threatening them and their pups, that ignore scent marks and howl they own the place instead. 8 or 9 incidents in the last month.  Oh, and Michigan wants to copy the idea of shooting a few wolves, partly on the basis it might have the opposite effect there, make wolves welcome other wolves (the dogs) into their territories.


Don't you understand. The wolves in Idaho are evil killers. They killed me when I was just a baby!
 
2013-08-20 08:40:25 PM

Cubicle Jockey: HeadLever: Yep, wolves will joykill from time to time.  Happened near Dillion Montana a few years ago.  Just a fact when you live near wolves.


Can you point me to any primary research describing this phenomenon? I can only find information on opportunistic mass kills where the wolves return to feed from the "excess" carcasses at a later time.


CJ, you are attacking an article of faith here. It doesn't occur to the people claiming this that wolves often starve - ignorant of their ecology, they even claim this isn't the case.  "How could a wolf starve when there are still uneaten pets in people's yards and humans walking around as feasts?" their fantasy of what wolves are doesn't fit with it. So it never occurs that when they buy ten pounds of meat at the supermarket, and maybe don't eat ANY of it immediately (putting it in the fridge, as humans need to), that by their logic they bought the future meals for the "joy" of it, and were involved in the death of the cow involved for the same reason.
 
2013-08-20 08:41:25 PM
I believe it. At least, I believe the part that 10 sheep died of bites, one was partially eaten and the rest died in panic.

Sheep are amazingly stupid and when they panic, they stampede, like any other herd animal. If they can't run, or if nothing else is there to calm them down, they'll pile up against barriers and trample each other to death.

Wolves have a "pursuit" strategy when they hunt; that is, they tend to chase prey which runs from them. They sometimes have difficulty understanding prey which cannot or will not run, and may bite it excessively, trying to get it to run so they can chase it. However, if the prey doesn't run, wolves usually leave it alone--that's why pronghorn have made a big comeback in Yellowstone since wolves have been reintroduced: Wolves don't eat the fawns, and chase off the coyotes that do.

Now, coyotes will eat sheep, but are small, and can't take down more than one; and sheep can and will fight back against one or two coyotes. And coyotes don't drive prey, they're not fast enough. Coyotes are stalkers, and wouldn't take on a huge herd of sheep, and certainly couldn't kill ten or eleven sheep.

There is a third large canine common in Idaho that can run sheep, kill several animals in a short period of time, and would kill several animals but not eat them. One that is big enough to drive the flock into a panic severe enough to lead to a stampede and has the stamina to kill a dozen sheep in the course of the evening. Anyone know how many big dogs that rancher has, I wonder?
 
2013-08-20 08:41:26 PM

doglover: BGates: ungulate populations are in steep decline only in areas with wolves

YA THINK!?

[blog.littlebigfund.org image 850x637]


Why did you put a picture of a polar bear in a post about animals with hooves?
 
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