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2013-08-20 07:26:14 PM
Wolves I highly doubt. Coydogs perhaps.
 
2013-08-20 07:26:39 PM

r1niceboy: meat0918: Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.

They all died piled up on top of each other. I'm not buying a word of this story apart from some wolves had an all you can eat buffet.


Yeah, that sounded fishy to me too. I'm no sheep expert, but ...
 
2013-08-20 07:26:59 PM
Domesticated sheep are incredibly stupid due to regressive inbreeding of genetic lines.  That they all asphyxiated is not surprising.  We have bred them not to be able to survive without our intervention. Then we fed them in a cannibalistic manner and got scrapie.

Wolves breed pretty quickly, so, eventually something will need to be done to keep them in check.  Of course, ranchers would love to wipe them out again, but they would like to wipe out anyone who isn't a direct benefit to their operation.  A lot of ranchers, not all, if they could, would steal your land right out from under you without a second thought.  There is a sense of entitlement in ranching culture that doesn't have room for anyone else in its vision of the world.

/knows a few ranching families
 
2013-08-20 07:27:16 PM

ficklefkrfark: IIRC Turkish kangals, Great Pyrenees, and Caucasian overtchkas (spelling wrong) have been bred for centuries to work in teams to prevent wolf predation....they are very large (100-180lbs)and very serious about their jobs.


They are effective aginst one or two wolves.  Against a pack of wolves, however, they are less effective.  We have quite a number of Basques here and they use guard dogs with some success against the lone wolves.   Against a pack of wolves, they need to typically replace them.
 
2013-08-20 07:29:02 PM

BenJammin: It must have been werewolves.


local overheard telling reporters to 'keep to the road and stay clear of the moors'.

/do NOT ask about the pentagram in the pub.
 
2013-08-20 07:29:47 PM

indarwinsshadow: Wolves I highly doubt. Coydogs perhaps.


Why would you highly doubt it?  There are quite a few wolves here (enough to have a hunting season on them) and they have a known affinity for sheep.
 
2013-08-20 07:30:00 PM
Clearly this is Robb Stark's doing. How will we stop this northern madman?.
 
2013-08-20 07:30:27 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: r1niceboy: meat0918: Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.

They all died piled up on top of each other. I'm not buying a word of this story apart from some wolves had an all you can eat buffet.

Yeah, that sounded fishy to me too. I'm no sheep expert, but ...


I'm not saying it was aliens but.....
 
2013-08-20 07:31:35 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: r1niceboy: meat0918: Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.

They all died piled up on top of each other. I'm not buying a word of this story apart from some wolves had an all you can eat buffet.

Yeah, that sounded fishy to me too. I'm no sheep expert, but ...


Same thing happens to humans. You hear about 100s dying in rushes at Mecca or other crowded spots? A lot of that is asphyxiation.
 
2013-08-20 07:32:31 PM

grimlock1972: The owner of the herd/flock and his employees are just as much to blame if not more as they failed to adequately protect their livestock.


Why?  Siddoways use guard dogs in the past (still think that they do).  It would be a little cost prohibitive to assign each sheep with a blackwater escort.  They do take steps, but sometimes, the wolves find a way through the defenses.
 
2013-08-20 07:32:32 PM

CygnusDarius: Clearly this is Robb Stark's doing. How will we stop this northern madman?.


Well done!
 
2013-08-20 07:33:44 PM
Those sheeps were members of a animal auto-erotica club, and they pulled a Carradine.
 
2013-08-20 07:34:22 PM

HeadLever: ficklefkrfark: IIRC Turkish kangals, Great Pyrenees, and Caucasian overtchkas (spelling wrong) have been bred for centuries to work in teams to prevent wolf predation....they are very large (100-180lbs)and very serious about their jobs.

They are effective aginst one or two wolves.  Against a pack of wolves, however, they are less effective.  We have quite a number of Basques here and they use guard dogs with some success against the lone wolves.   Against a pack of wolves, they need to typically replace them.


Well, good, because it was 2 wolves in this case. But you already knew that.
 
2013-08-20 07:34:41 PM

Pointy Tail of Satan: And yet, breeders spend fortunes and years to breed out wolf intelligence and power, and to get us this:

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Which they then let run around outside unattended in an area known for its large owl population, and then complain about the owls.
 
2013-08-20 07:34:55 PM

Explodo: And people wonder why ranchers attempted to prevent the wolves from being reintroduced.  That's a significant financial hit.


Well maybe they should get their ass out there with a stick and do some proper shepherding.  I mean if I left most of my financial goods sitting out in my yard it would probably all disappear over night.
 
2013-08-20 07:35:30 PM
I don't know how it's possible to count that many shee---zzz.
 
2013-08-20 07:35:40 PM
Should have put them in the field with "Cows with Guns"
 
2013-08-20 07:35:43 PM
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2013-08-20 07:36:55 PM

HeadLever: Right, Because you were there and know exactly what happened.


Or he can do math.

a herd of about 2,400
wolves killed 10 (or 11)
 
2013-08-20 07:37:57 PM
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He's that most dangerous of animals - a clever sheep

//Harold
 
2013-08-20 07:38:15 PM
First, how do they know it was wolves if they didn't go out to investigate while the attack was happening. And how do they know it was only 2? Some details are missing from the story.

/Don't shepherds usually watch their flocks more closely than this?
 
2013-08-20 07:38:35 PM

HeadLever: grimlock1972: The owner of the herd/flock and his employees are just as much to blame if not more as they failed to adequately protect their livestock.

Why?  Siddoways use guard dogs in the past (still think that they do).  It would be a little cost prohibitive to assign each sheep with a blackwater escort.  They do take steps, but sometimes, the wolves find a way through the defenses.


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2013-08-20 07:38:49 PM

meat0918: Who was there first is a really shiatty argument, but is pretty solid in legal terms if I understand it correctly.


It was in the agreement terms of the reintroduction process that existing ranchers would have recourse of losses incurred by this program  Because of this, ranchers could shoot wolves that were harassing livestock and the FWS would take care of problem wolves that developed a taste for sheep or beef.There was also a program where some ranchers were reimbursed for thier losses if a FWS agent could prove it.

Now that wolves have lost thier endangered species protection and the state has managment, some of that has changed.
 
2013-08-20 07:39:47 PM
I'm sure it's been said, but R.I.P. 2wolves.
 
2013-08-20 07:40:05 PM

doglover: Smelly Pirate Hooker: r1niceboy: meat0918: Wolves killed 11, the rest died from asphyxiation.

They all died piled up on top of each other. I'm not buying a word of this story apart from some wolves had an all you can eat buffet.

Yeah, that sounded fishy to me too. I'm no sheep expert, but ...

Same thing happens to humans. You hear about 100s dying in rushes at Mecca or other crowded spots? A lot of that is asphyxiation.


Yeah, I know. For some reason, I thought animals were smarter about not suffocating themselves by stampeding or whatever. I guess I'm wrong.
 
2013-08-20 07:40:17 PM
If I was a wolf, I'd be on a plane right now and heading to Idaho for high-fives and beers.
 
2013-08-20 07:40:39 PM

ArcadianRefugee: wolves killed 10 (or 11)


They killed 10 (or 11) but didn't attack per his argument?  Really?
 
2013-08-20 07:42:21 PM

ArcadianRefugee: HeadLever: Right, Because you were there and know exactly what happened.

Or he can do math.

a herd of about 2,400
wolves killed 10 (or 11)


Yeah, some folks here don't have a clue on how long it takes for a neck bite to choke out a sheep. Still the wannabe rancher will say all the loss of livestock was due directly to my brothers.

He must have been raised by humans.
 
2013-08-20 07:43:00 PM

doglover: dee_dubya: Yep, you guys are right. I'll bet the sheep asphyxiated themselves, then the wolves came along and had a snack. No chance the wolves running the sheep caused them to bunch and asphyxiate.

Rams don't run from wolves. They're called rams, like the verb, because they farking ram things. They're basically a short temper on legs.

Upset the natural order and remove all the rams from 100s of ewes and see the power of unnatural fear. If there had been two or three rams, this story would be about one dead sheep or less.

Anyone who blames the wolves here can suck the long dick and choke on it.


And anybody who thinks the introduction of a non-native wolf is good for "nature" is a complete idiot (look in a mirror if you can't figure out I'm talking about your dumb ass).

You want these POS wolves, come get them.  Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.
 
2013-08-20 07:43:38 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I guess I'm wrong


Yeah, sheep are always inventing new and interesting ways to die.  Death by wolf is old-hat for them.
 
2013-08-20 07:44:16 PM
I balanced out this article by reading one about sheep over at PETA dot org (The Hidden Lives of Sheep) and now I can honestly say: Good for the wolves.
 
2013-08-20 07:44:33 PM

HeadLever: ArcadianRefugee: wolves killed 10 (or 11)

They killed 10 (or 11) but didn't attack per his argument?  Really?


10 had bite wounds, one was partially consumed. What did they do to the others that constitute an attack? Noogie them?
 
2013-08-20 07:44:59 PM
Don't sheep ever fight back? Sheep should stop acting like people who never fight back even though they are being oppressed and killed by their government.
 
2013-08-20 07:45:42 PM

BGates: doglover: dee_dubya: Yep, you guys are right. I'll bet the sheep asphyxiated themselves, then the wolves came along and had a snack. No chance the wolves running the sheep caused them to bunch and asphyxiate.

Rams don't run from wolves. They're called rams, like the verb, because they farking ram things. They're basically a short temper on legs.

Upset the natural order and remove all the rams from 100s of ewes and see the power of unnatural fear. If there had been two or three rams, this story would be about one dead sheep or less.

Anyone who blames the wolves here can suck the long dick and choke on it.

And anybody who thinks the introduction of a non-native wolf is good for "nature" is a complete idiot (look in a mirror if you can't figure out I'm talking about your dumb ass).

You want these POS wolves, come get them.  Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.


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I'm a shakin' in my boots.
 
2013-08-20 07:45:43 PM

2wolves: Yeah, some folks here don't have a clue on how long it takes for a neck bite to choke out a sheep.


If you want to kill large numbers, you need to go to the slash and gut method like you did in Dillion, Montan where you killed over 100 in a single night.  No chokeholds there.
 
2013-08-20 07:46:36 PM

iaazathot: Domesticated sheep are incredibly stupid due to regressive inbreeding of genetic lines.  That they all asphyxiated is not surprising.  We have bred them not to be able to survive without our intervention. Then we fed them in a cannibalistic manner and got scrapie.

Wolves breed pretty quickly, so, eventually something will need to be done to keep them in check.  Of course, ranchers would love to wipe them out again, but they would like to wipe out anyone who isn't a direct benefit to their operation.  A lot of ranchers, not all, if they could, would steal your land right out from under you without a second thought.  There is a sense of entitlement in ranching culture that doesn't have room for anyone else in its vision of the world.

/knows a few ranching families


Wolves do not breed 'pretty quickly'. They have one litter per year on average.

The rest of your post is pretty spot on. This is nothing more than another example of a rancher who is bad at their job.
 
2013-08-20 07:46:59 PM

BGates: doglover: dee_dubya: Yep, you guys are right. I'll bet the sheep asphyxiated themselves, then the wolves came along and had a snack. No chance the wolves running the sheep caused them to bunch and asphyxiate.

Rams don't run from wolves. They're called rams, like the verb, because they farking ram things. They're basically a short temper on legs.

Upset the natural order and remove all the rams from 100s of ewes and see the power of unnatural fear. If there had been two or three rams, this story would be about one dead sheep or less.

Anyone who blames the wolves here can suck the long dick and choke on it.

And anybody who thinks the introduction of a non-native wolf is good for "nature" is a complete idiot (look in a mirror if you can't figure out I'm talking about your dumb ass).

You want these POS wolves, come get them.  Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.


I can only hope your weapon jams. Like to see your face when you're no longer the apex preditor.
 
2013-08-20 07:47:48 PM

GreenSun: Don't sheep ever fight back? Sheep should stop acting like people who never fight back even though they are being oppressed and killed by their government.


"Wake up, sheeplepeeps"?
 
2013-08-20 07:47:48 PM
How do we know it was wolves that spooked the sheep? Maybe it was the sight of one rancher, buck-naked, pulling on a pair of rubber boots and Velcro gloves...
 
2013-08-20 07:49:00 PM
Anybody who says the wolves were "re-introduced" needs to get educated.  The wolves the "re-introduced" were a different sub species of gray wolf.  The Canadian Gray's were "introduced".  And when they were, they completely killed off the native wolf that was endangered.

These non-native wolves are sterilizing the areas where they roam.

Until you big talking city slickers actually have to deal with these vermin, shut the hell up because what you read is complete BS.  All created by "environmentalists" who falsified data to say that wolves were actually good for nature.

Until they are under control I will shoot every wolf I see.
 
2013-08-20 07:49:25 PM

BGates: doglover: dee_dubya: Yep, you guys are right. I'll bet the sheep asphyxiated themselves, then the wolves came along and had a snack. No chance the wolves running the sheep caused them to bunch and asphyxiate.

Rams don't run from wolves. They're called rams, like the verb, because they farking ram things. They're basically a short temper on legs.

Upset the natural order and remove all the rams from 100s of ewes and see the power of unnatural fear. If there had been two or three rams, this story would be about one dead sheep or less.

Anyone who blames the wolves here can suck the long dick and choke on it.

And anybody who thinks the introduction of a non-native wolf is good for "nature" is a complete idiot (look in a mirror if you can't figure out I'm talking about your dumb ass).

You want these POS wolves, come get them.  Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.


The wolves were natives until men killed them all off. Now they've been reintroduced to their native environment. It's the humans who are the non-natives.
 
2013-08-20 07:49:40 PM

ArcadianRefugee: 10 had bite wounds, one was partially consumed. What did they do to the others that constitute an attack? Noogie them?


I am not talking about the others.  I am talking about the 10 or 11 that acutally had holes in them.
 
2013-08-20 07:50:15 PM

BGates: Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.


As opposed to, what, passively shooting them? How would that work? Indirect (arc) fire?
 
2013-08-20 07:51:10 PM
It was Lupus.
 
2013-08-20 07:51:11 PM

Arachnophobe: Wolves do not breed 'pretty quickly'.


yes they do.  Thier numbers increased in Idaho by about 20% per year since they were reintroduced up until the hunting season was started in 2009
 
2013-08-20 07:51:14 PM

2wolves: BGates: doglover: dee_dubya: Yep, you guys are right. I'll bet the sheep asphyxiated themselves, then the wolves came along and had a snack. No chance the wolves running the sheep caused them to bunch and asphyxiate.

Rams don't run from wolves. They're called rams, like the verb, because they farking ram things. They're basically a short temper on legs.

Upset the natural order and remove all the rams from 100s of ewes and see the power of unnatural fear. If there had been two or three rams, this story would be about one dead sheep or less.

Anyone who blames the wolves here can suck the long dick and choke on it.

And anybody who thinks the introduction of a non-native wolf is good for "nature" is a complete idiot (look in a mirror if you can't figure out I'm talking about your dumb ass).

You want these POS wolves, come get them.  Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.

I can only hope your weapon jams. Like to see your face when you're no longer the apex preditor.


I imagine that the wolves will be eating you since you won't have a weapon.  And I promise I won't harm any wolf that eats one of you wolf loving idiots.
 
2013-08-20 07:53:26 PM

Mike Chewbacca: BGates: doglover: dee_dubya: Yep, you guys are right. I'll bet the sheep asphyxiated themselves, then the wolves came along and had a snack. No chance the wolves running the sheep caused them to bunch and asphyxiate.

Rams don't run from wolves. They're called rams, like the verb, because they farking ram things. They're basically a short temper on legs.

Upset the natural order and remove all the rams from 100s of ewes and see the power of unnatural fear. If there had been two or three rams, this story would be about one dead sheep or less.

Anyone who blames the wolves here can suck the long dick and choke on it.

And anybody who thinks the introduction of a non-native wolf is good for "nature" is a complete idiot (look in a mirror if you can't figure out I'm talking about your dumb ass).

You want these POS wolves, come get them.  Until you do I will actively shoot every wolf I see.

The wolves were natives until men killed them all off. Now they've been reintroduced to their native environment. It's the humans who are the non-natives.


No, the Canadian gray wolf was not native to the American Rockies.  The Canadian wolves are much larger and much more aggressive.
 
2013-08-20 07:53:31 PM

Nick Nostril: It was Lupus.


I guess it's pretty sirius.
 
2013-08-20 07:53:32 PM

BGates: Until you big talking city slickers actually have to deal with these vermin, shut the hell up because what you read is complete BS.


People still use that term?
 
2013-08-20 07:53:46 PM

BGates: Anybody who says the wolves were "re-introduced" needs to get educated.  The wolves the "re-introduced" were a different sub species of gray wolf.  The Canadian Gray's were "introduced".  And when they were, they completely killed off the native wolf that was endangered.

These non-native wolves are sterilizing the areas where they roam.

Until you big talking city slickers actually have to deal with these vermin, shut the hell up because what you read is complete BS.  All created by "environmentalists" who falsified data to say that wolves were actually good for nature.

Until they are under control I will shoot every wolf I see.


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