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(SeattlePI)   The coroner has completed the investigation into journalist's Michael Hasting's death and it turns out there is nothing to see here. And also he's a druggie. And also the FBI wasn't investigating him in the first place   (seattlepi.com) divider line 26
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2013-08-20 07:48:05 PM
4 votes:

Lsherm: Investigators said Hastings had arrived with family from New York the day before the crash, and a brother was due to arrive in town that same morning to try to persuade him to go to detox. Investigators were told by family that after 14 years of being "sober," Hastings had started to use drugs again since his recent move from New York to California.

They couldn't have released this information sooner?  This is how conspiracy theories get a foothold.


That had more to do with the fact that high government officials pretty regularly cussed him out for having the unmitigated gall to be an adversarial reporter instead of just sucking up to whoever happens to be in power.

Here's a sample.

"If you go to the village of Al-Majalah in Yemen, where I was, and you see the unexploded clusterbombs and you have the list and photographic evidence, as I do--the women and children that represented the vast majority of the deaths in this first strike that Obama authorized on Yemen--those people were murdered by President Obama, on his orders, because there was believed to be someone from Al Qaeda in that area. There's only one person that's been identified that had any connection to Al Qaeda there. And 21 women and 14 children were killed in that strike and the U.S. tried to cover it up, and say it was a Yemeni strike, and we know from the Wikileaks cables that David Petraeus conspired with the president of Yemen to lie to the world about who did that bombing. It's murder--it's mass murder--when you say, 'We are going to bomb this area' because we believe a terrorist is there, and you know that women and children are in the area. The United States has an obligation to not bomb that area if they believe that women and children are there. I'm sorry, that's murder."
2013-08-20 07:42:53 PM
4 votes:
Goddamn it.

I hate when they do this shiat.  They might as well come out and say, "See?  He used drugs and that means he's a scumbag so don't worry yourselves anymore about him.  I mean he tested positive for AMPHETAMINES which means he was a deranged meth head out to kill your family for more drugs!
2013-08-20 07:40:32 PM
4 votes:

Lsherm: Investigators said Hastings had arrived with family from New York the day before the crash, and a brother was due to arrive in town that same morning to try to persuade him to go to detox. Investigators were told by family that after 14 years of being "sober," Hastings had started to use drugs again since his recent move from New York to California.

They couldn't have released this information sooner?  This is how conspiracy theories get a foothold.


No, conspiracy theories "get a foothold" because idiots say "Aha! He couldn't POSSIBLY have died in a fiery car crash all by himself! THEY must have killed him (in this spectacularly obvious and blatant way) to keep him quiet because!!! Let's not wait for any proof, let's run with it!"
2013-08-20 06:28:27 PM
3 votes:

Lsherm: They couldn't have released this information sooner? This is how conspiracy theories get a foothold.


Right, because as subby demonstrates, nothing squashes conspiracy theories faster than the spread of information about the deceased's drug use.
2013-08-21 03:35:00 AM
2 votes:

leadmetal: If we were looking at purely random events we would see a nice standard distribution. Instead the distribution of events appears to be anything but a nice bell curve. It is highly weighted towards the status-quo power structure. Name one assassination from the 1960s that hurt the power structure. Instead lone nuts took out every important opposition figure. Not a single lone nut bagged a Nixon or Kissinger or LBJ or anyone of that ilk. One got close with Ford, so maybe that's one balancing instance but one isn't enough.These random accidents, when was the last time someone good for the status-quo was killed in one. Can you even think of an instance?


Well, first you have to define "status-quo". You are looking at the short-term and saying "Aha! in the 1960's, lone-gunmen assassins only killed the people that I think were opposing the people I define as bad guys (i.e. you are defining the status quo) so clearly there is a conspiracy here to silence the opposition." And in the short term, that is true. Bobby Kennedy's death, and King's, were very bad things which hurt the Democratic and Civil Rights movement very badly, and the status-quo actors benefited greatly.

But. In the long term, and through the longer lens of history, the status-quo actors seriously blew it, if that was their goal. The death of King galvanized the Civil Rights movement in a way that his life might never have done--to this day, his Dream speech motivates and empowers kids whose parents weren't even born that day in 1968. Had he lived, he might not have survived whatever political assassination the FBI might have concocted; and the movement as a whole was not only not destroyed, it was and is still a powerful force in America today. So the fact that King personally suffered did not benefit the status-quo in the way you seem to think.

In the same way, the fact that nobody managed to even the score by killing one of the status-quo power brokers is an outstanding application of historian's fallacy; and again, you are thinking in the short-term. Who exactly would have been the one to shoot? You might have noticed by now that crazy shooters come almost exclusively from the right-wing side of the crazy spectrum, and right-wingers don't kill their own. Leftists are bombers by inclination, and Kaczynski was blowing up evil college professors during the 60's and 70's, just nobody knew it. Even assuming anyone would have shot Nixon, it's hard to know how killing him--again--would have changed anything in the "status quo", any more than King's assassination took the wind out of the Civil Rights movement.

If there is some kind of overarching conspiracy, it's very badly run and seldom achieves its aims. The reason people don't believe in them in general is the weight of evidence just isn't there. You cite the WTC #7 example: If 15 engineers say that structural failure was adequate to bring down the building, and one says it wasn't, then I don't need to lump that one with crazy space-alien nuts to discount his theory; I can simply say the evidence is not on his side. If 20 forensic specialists say that a death was caused by blunt-force trauma and one specialist says it was an overdose of heroin, then it's not calling that one a lunatic to say it was probably blunt-force trauma...but also not throwing the one on the pile with the fanatics saying it was demonic possession, either.

Now if the one engineer or the one forensic technician starts insisting that the 15 or 20 others have all been paid off or subverted by the government and ONLY HE knows the truth, going on AM radio to tout his theory and muttering darkly about coverups and sinister plots, then my opinion of his credibility goes down accordingly. Yours may not. I go with what can be proven, most of the time, not with JDFR. Even if it seems like all the good guys get murdered and all the bad guys don't. Remember, from the other side, all the bad guys got murdered, after all.
2013-08-21 12:28:51 AM
2 votes:

leadmetal: BolshyGreatYarblocks: What will Greenwald's death story be?

I'm going to put my bet on a mugging gone bad.

Gyrfalcon: No, conspiracy theories "get a foothold" because idiots say "Aha! He couldn't POSSIBLY have died in a fiery car crash all by himself! THEY must have killed him (in this spectacularly obvious and blatant way) to keep him quiet because!!! Let's not wait for any proof, let's run with it!"

Decades later often the instinct that the official story is bullshiat is often shown to be correct. Of course by then nobody is paying attention any more. People who were involved tell their stories before they die but nobody listens besides the same kooks who didn't believe the official story in the first place.

Besides that, coincidence theory gets spread a little thin after awhile. Just too much just seems to happen to benefit politically powerful people. Then add the produced nature of the mainstream news and the secretive/cya nature of government to that and that really gives life to things.


If you want it to. However, "coincidence" is often nothing more than "things which happen at the same time and which people want to believe are too closely connected not to be related."  And the fact that it benefits powerful people overlooks the fact that things OFTEN benefit those who are in a position to benefit from them--which is why they are in a position of power in the first place.

A thing can just as easily be argued the other way. People die in spectacular car accidents every day. It would be surprising if some of those deaths DIDN'T benefit at least a few people; in fact, it would be miraculous if NONE of them benefited anyone in some way, if all those people died and nobody was better off somehow. And yet exactly none of them spawn any "conspiracy theories" or even murder investigations, although probably more of them should.

And then, too, "conspiracy theories" are often hopelessly contradictory. Hastings' death being a perfect example. The prevailing "theory" is that he was killed by the CIA or the DoD because of his Petraeus "expose" or because of something he was working on, either in retribution or to silence him. Already there are problems with this "theory", but suppose the intent was to silence him. Then why do it in such a spectacular and public fashion? Well, the theory goes, to send a "message" to anyone who might be tempted to speak out. But then why go to such lengths to cover their tracks? Well, because nobody can know the CIA was involved. Then how are we to know they sent a "message"? As with most conspiracy theories, the logic becomes circular: We know it was the CIA sending a message because we can't tell it was the CIA sending a message.

Finally, conspiracy theories have to rely on people not understanding how things work. There's just "no way" Hastings' car could possibly have burned like that if it was "only going" 35 mph! It had to be going faster/had an accelerant/been hit with an explosive device. Except any firefighter or driver on the LA freeways can tell you it certainly IS possible for a car to burn like that, depending on how it crashes. All that has to happen is for the fuel line to be severed. But people think they know because they "just know" or they remember things differently later--memory not being the flashbulb storage device people seem to believe it is. People will tell their stories decades later, but it may or may not be the truth as it happened (it may be the truth as they remember it, but that's not the same thing).

Things happen. If the wealthy and powerful benefit, that's because things happen. Sometimes coverups happen, but that's also because things happen. Sometimes people just die, too. The better thing is to accept what is given BUT keep one's mind open for new information, NOT to spin conspiracies out of what one thinks makes more sense because coincidences seem too convenient.
2013-08-20 08:38:33 PM
2 votes:
His own family doesn't think anything shady happened, they had flown in from NY and made an intervention the day before to try to get him to go to rehab, and there's security footage that shows him driving alone down the street and crashing. Do the conspiracy theorists have any hard evidence to support an alternate theory?
2013-08-20 08:00:34 PM
2 votes:
Don't mess with the CIA, peasants!!!!!

http://www.sandiego6.com/story/cia-director-brennan-confirmed-as-rep or ter-michael-hastings-next-target-20130812

The release of a new surveillance video from a nearby Italian restaurant by Michael Krikorian, an author, freelance blogger who also writes for LA Weekly, reveals a lot of information about Hastings' final seconds.
A University professor told San Diego 6 News that calculating the speed of Hastings car follows a simple mathematic equation. By using the video and the distance traveled (195 feet) as well as the seconds that lapsed prior to the explosion - the car was traveling roughly 35 mph.
That revelation is important because Jose, an employee of ALSCO a nearby business, and a witness to the accident told KTLA/Loud Labs (Scott Lane) the car was traveling at a high rate of speed and he saw sparks coming from the car and saw it explode BEFORE hitting the tree.
The pre-explosion could possibly explain the flash of light on the video that preceded the appearance of the car in the video. The pre-explosion and slower speed could also explain the minimal damage to the palm tree and the facts the rear tires rested against the curb. It also provides an explanation for the location of the engine and drive train at more than 100 feet from the tree impact area.
This new information prompted another round of FOIA/CPRAs and only adds to the questions that remain unanswered. One of those questions is where was Mr. Hastings going at 4:30 in the morning? Based on the accident location, Hastings was only 1.5 miles from his home and was headed away from his address.
2013-08-21 08:32:03 AM
1 votes:

leadmetal: If we were looking at purely random events we would see a nice standard distribution. Instead the distribution of events appears to be anything but a nice bell curve. It is highly weighted towards the status-quo power structure. Name one assassination from the 1960s that hurt the power structur

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OK, I'll bite:  Is a sitting president in the "power structure"?

And why just the 1960's?  I can remember an assassination in the 1860's that hurt the power structure, as well as one in 1880 and one in 1901.  1975 and 1981 were close calls.

But in any case, here's Wikipedia's list of notable 1960's assassinations:


Assassinations

17 January 1961 - Patrice Lumumba, the Prime Minister of the Republic of the Congo. Assassinated by a Belgian and Congolese firing squad outside Lubumbashi, Democratic Republic of the Congo.

27 May 1963 - Grigoris Lambrakis, Greek left-wing MP by far-right extremists with connections to the police and the army in Thessaloniki.

12 June 1963 - Medgar Evers, an NAACP field secretary. Assassinated by a member of the Ku Klux Klan in Jackson, Mississippi.

2 November 1963 - Ngo Dinh Diem, President of Vietnam, along with his brother and chief political adviser, Ngo Dinh Nhu. Assassinated by Duong Hieu Nghia and Nguyen Van Nhung in the back of an armoured personnel carrier.

22 November 1963 - John F. Kennedy, President of the United States. Kennedy was assassinated on 22 November 1963 while in his open convertible car riding in a motorcade through Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas. According to the 1964 report issued by the Warren Commission, Lee Harvey Oswald killed the president, but there has been consistent speculation ever since that Kennedy's death was the result of a conspiracy. See JFK assassination for more details.

21 February 1965 - Malcolm X. Assassinated by members of the Nation of Islam in New York City. There is a dispute about which members killed Malcolm X.

6 September 1966 - Hendrik Verwoerd, Prime Minister of South Africa and architect of apartheid was stabbed to death by Dimitri Tsafendas, a parliamentary messenger. He survived a previous attempt on his life in 1960.

25 August 1967 - George Lincoln Rockwell, leader of the American Nazi Party. Assassinated by John Patler in Arlington, Virginia.

4 April 1968 - Martin Luther King, Jr., civil rights leader. Assassinated by James Earl Ray in Memphis, Tennessee. 5

June 1968 - Robert F. Kennedy, United States Senator. Assassinated by Sirhan Sirhan in Los Angeles, California, taking California in the presidential national primaries.

Even just paring it down to purely US assassinations, there appears to be a little from all sides in there.
2013-08-21 02:55:29 AM
1 votes:

leadmetal: Often I think the most absurd ideas are created for that purpose. To make it so that nobody listens to the well researched and people who actually do know their stuff.


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Morris Fletcher: You guys are the Lone Gunmen, aren't you? You guys are my heroes. I mean look at the crap you print.

Byers: We uncover the truth.

Morris Fletcher: The truth? That's what's so great about you monkeys. Not only do you believe the horse pucky we create, you broadcast it as well. I mean look at this!

[headline reads: "Saddam testing mandroid army in Iraqi desert."]

Morris Fletcher: There is no Saddam Hussein. This guy's name is John Gillnitz, we found him doing dinner theatre in Tulsa. Did a mean "King and I." Plays good ethnics.

Ringo Langly: Are you trying to say that Saddam Hussein is a goverment plant?

Morris Fletcher: I'm saying I invented the guy. We set him up in '79. He rattles his saber whenever we need a good distraction. Ah... if you boys only knew how many of your stories I dreamed up while on the pot.
2013-08-21 01:34:46 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Finally, conspiracy theories have to rely on people not understanding how things work.


No, that's what official stories count on time and time again. Because the moment a person understands how things work the mainstream's media reporting on just about everything falls apart be it from error or just pushing a narrative. The absurdities of official stories time and time again show how the powers that be count on the ignorance of the population at large.

BTW, You seem to be caught up in this specific instance, which if you notice I offered no opinion on. Thus I am ignoring most of your reply.

If we were looking at purely random events we would see a nice standard distribution. Instead the distribution of events appears to be anything but a nice bell curve. It is highly weighted towards the status-quo power structure. Name one assassination from the 1960s that hurt the power structure. Instead lone nuts took out every important opposition figure. Not a single lone nut bagged a Nixon or Kissinger or LBJ or anyone of that ilk. One got close with Ford, so maybe that's one balancing instance but one isn't enough.These random accidents, when was the last time someone good for the status-quo was killed in one. Can you even think of an instance?

After five plus decades coincidence theory has become strained. The distribution is too lopsided. The same goes with legislation. It's extremely weighted against liberty over a long period of time, yet we are supposed to believe it's just random chance.

Beyond that the simple fact is that time and time again the passage of time shows konspiracy koooks to be justified in their suspicions and some get it dead to rights. The problem is the american public has long stopped paying attention by that point. Most americans don't know the gulf of Tokin was a fabrication, let alone other things. Six months ago the idea that the NSA was vacuuming up data was "conspiracy theory" as was using the IRS as political weapon. Both things konspiracy kooks, whistle blowers, and the like said publicly ages ago.

Furthermore people who want to discredit those who don't believe in official stories conflate things. That is if for instance, If I were to voice an engineering opinion that the official story of WTC7's collapse didn't make sense structurally, someone would then lump me into a group of people who says UFOs with death rays brought down the buildings. Someone might even say that a view of that debris from the towers and small fires isn't consistent with the structural failure of WTC7 doesn't jive well with alien death rays. As if all alternative ideas should come from the same person and work seamlessly together. Often I think the most absurd ideas are created for that purpose. To make it so that nobody listens to the well researched and people who actually do know their stuff.

So long as the american public simply believes in random events and crazy people they will continue to be duped. They continue to believe things like "they hate us because we are free" or that they are "crazy (religious) people". or that so and so just happened to die because accidents happen and people die.

So maybe Hastings was just an accident. Maybe it wasn't. The long term pattern however shows that we should look harder at things and be more suspicious of what government employees and political office holders tell us.
2013-08-21 01:02:22 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Except any firefighter or driver on the LA freeways can tell you it certainly IS possible for a car to burn like that


Yeah, but he was driving a 2013 Mercedes.  Have they ever seen a new Mercedes burn like that?  Besides, Mercedes makes great cars and Germans are great engineers.

The real question is what was Dick Van Dyke doing that someone wanted him dead and why didn't they succeed?

I think that they used Van Dyke as a secret agent to kill Hastings and then they had to off Van Dyke so that he could never tell anyone.  I know this because I read it on the internet but I can't give you a link because almost as soon as it was posted the whole website mysteriously disappeared.

And even though Dick Van Dyke survived he's too afraid to tell anyone now because they told him if he did his whole family would be killed and he's not willing to put his family at risk.
2013-08-20 10:27:07 PM
1 votes:
So, paranoid drug addict thinking they're out to get him...which they were trying to get him, into detox...dies in a high speed firey wreck.  I'm not surprised, but I'm also not seeing a great potential for conspiracy.
2013-08-20 09:32:37 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: lycanth: I'm curious about the statement claiming that he was "passed out". The tox report found NOTHING in his system that could account for him being "passed out". Trace amounts of meth and/or THC certainly can't be the reason. There aren't any common substances that could cause someone to pass out that wouldn't be OBVIOUS in a standard autopsy toxicology report. This is my line of work. Just sayin'.

Howabout sleep?


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2013-08-20 09:31:57 PM
1 votes:

lycanth: I'm curious about the statement claiming that he was "passed out". The tox report found NOTHING in his system that could account for him being "passed out". Trace amounts of meth and/or THC certainly can't be the reason. There aren't any common substances that could cause someone to pass out that wouldn't be OBVIOUS in a standard autopsy toxicology report. This is my line of work. Just sayin'.


Being in the middle of the night  can account for him being passed out. Not my line of work. Just sayin'.
2013-08-20 09:30:53 PM
1 votes:

lycanth: I'm curious about the statement claiming that he was "passed out". The tox report found NOTHING in his system that could account for him being "passed out". Trace amounts of meth and/or THC certainly can't be the reason. There aren't any common substances that could cause someone to pass out that wouldn't be OBVIOUS in a standard autopsy toxicology report. This is my line of work. Just sayin'.


Howabout sleep?
2013-08-20 09:02:41 PM
1 votes:
I'm curious about the statement claiming that he was "passed out". The tox report found NOTHING in his system that could account for him being "passed out". Trace amounts of meth and/or THC certainly can't be the reason. There aren't any common substances that could cause someone to pass out that wouldn't be OBVIOUS in a standard autopsy toxicology report. This is my line of work. Just sayin'.
2013-08-20 08:12:37 PM
1 votes:
Traces of marijuana were also present, indicating he'd taken it hours earlier.

Bullshiat! Marijuana can stay in your system for several weeks or longer.
2013-08-20 08:09:38 PM
1 votes:
What will Greenwald's death story be?
2013-08-20 07:57:00 PM
1 votes:
Sure he was.  The smear job is almost complete.
2013-08-20 07:49:54 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: Investigators said Hastings had arrived with family from New York the day before the crash, and a brother was due to arrive in town that same morning to try to persuade him to go to detox. Investigators were told by family that after 14 years of being "sober," Hastings had started to use drugs again since his recent move from New York to California.

They couldn't have released this information sooner?  This is how conspiracy theories get a foothold.

No, conspiracy theories "get a foothold" because idiots say "Aha! He couldn't POSSIBLY have died in a fiery car crash all by himself! THEY must have killed him (in this spectacularly obvious and blatant way) to keep him quiet because!!! Let's not wait for any proof, let's run with it!"




Nah it's when someone takes Sudafed and the claim is that there are trace ammounts of amphetamines in their system.
2013-08-20 07:41:04 PM
1 votes:
The crash occurred at about 4:20 a.m

Dude...
2013-08-20 06:36:20 PM
1 votes:
What's the conspiracy with this guy about again... He released JFK's sex tapes with Princess Di to the Wikileaks dude after tapping the head of the CIA's phone while setting fire to the Branch Davidian compound?
2013-08-20 06:29:36 PM
1 votes:
Sure... that's what they WANT you to believe

/Move along, citizen... move along
2013-08-20 06:28:42 PM
1 votes:
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2013-08-20 06:23:11 PM
1 votes:
Investigators said Hastings had arrived with family from New York the day before the crash, and a brother was due to arrive in town that same morning to try to persuade him to go to detox. Investigators were told by family that after 14 years of being "sober," Hastings had started to use drugs again since his recent move from New York to California.

They couldn't have released this information sooner?  This is how conspiracy theories get a foothold.
 
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