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(The Hill)   White House: 'Difficult to imagine' US seizing reporters' hard drives. Tomorrow's news: US seizes reporters' hard drives   (thehill.com ) divider line
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2013-08-20 04:55:32 PM  
White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Tuesday it was "difficult to imagine" the U.S. would seize and destroy the hard drives of a news organization,

Really?  That's hard for you to imagine?
Because just yesterday the White House asked the Supreme Court to allow police to keep searching cell phones without warrants.  And since my current smart phone is fairly comparable to any computer I had through the 90's ...
 
2013-08-20 05:02:55 PM  
Sad thing is it's no longer difficult to imagine, if we're all honest.
 
2013-08-20 05:03:00 PM  

Karac: White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Tuesday it was "difficult to imagine" the U.S. would seize and destroy the hard drives of a news organization,

Really?  That's hard for you to imagine?
Because just yesterday the White House asked the Supreme Court to allow police to keep searching cell phones without warrants.  And since my current smart phone is fairly comparable to any computer I had through the 90's ...


Well, to be fair, stripping it of any and all data isn't quite the same as destroying the hard drive

/exactly
 
2013-08-20 05:42:03 PM  
We are not in a police state. Ok?
 
2013-08-20 05:43:40 PM  
Between very tiny removable memory and cloud storage, a professional journalism organization should look them in the eye, and challenge them to destroy the hard drive.
 
2013-08-20 06:02:00 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: We are not in a police state. Ok?


yes we are.  Obama's coming door to door personally (between rounds of golf and blowing up christian churches) to take all my computer and hard drives and read all my mail!!!!!
 
2013-08-20 06:05:39 PM  

ManateeGag: ourbigdumbmouth: We are not in a police state. Ok?

yes we are.  Obama's coming door to door personally (between rounds of golf and blowing up christian churches) to take all my computer and hard drives and read all my mail!!!!!


He is? I really don't think that's realistic. But the local police with military vehicles could, so ill agree with you there.
 
2013-08-20 06:24:21 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: We are not in a police state. Ok?


binaryapi.ap.org

Don't forget to clap as they go by.
 
2013-08-20 06:38:56 PM  
It would be hard for the White House to imagine law enforcement destroying hard drives of U.S. journalists. The whole point is to seize them and go through them all.
 
2013-08-20 06:41:25 PM  
White House: Lips are moving
 
2013-08-20 06:41:48 PM  

Karac: White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Tuesday it was "difficult to imagine" the U.S. would seize and destroy the hard drives of a news organization,

Really?  That's hard for you to imagine?
Because just yesterday the White House asked the Supreme Court to allow police to keep searching cell phones without warrants.  And since my current smart phone is fairly comparable to any computer I had through the 90's ...


That's comparable how?

If I get arrested, and they go through my backpack which has my day planner, address book, and letters I've sent back and forth with some friends, no one's going to bat an eye.
 
2013-08-20 06:46:40 PM  
Stupid people, technology, and partisan politics...reality and truth have very little chance to survive long.
 
2013-08-20 06:48:42 PM  
I'm finding it hard to get whipped up into a frenzy until something actually happens.

When something actually happens worthy of a thisisanoutrage.jpg, someone let me know.
 
2013-08-20 06:48:55 PM  
Linux LUKS
Windows TrueCrypt

Sure, the NSA can maybe break them, but you'd have to be a big enough fish to make it worth the risk that it might get out they've done that to your drive.  Sadly, LUKS doesn't have a plausible deniability feature.  Of course, the XKCD solution of beating you with a pipe wrench to get the passphrase is a reasonable response to this suggestion...
 
2013-08-20 06:50:16 PM  
 
2013-08-20 06:51:15 PM  
Oh... and if you're a bit smarter, you'll store that encrypted data somewhere in the cloud, rather than carrying it on your person.
 
2013-08-20 06:52:26 PM  

1derful: It would be hard for the White House to imagine law enforcement destroying hard drives of U.S. journalists. The whole point is to seize them and go through them all.


nope they'll pressure someone like the British or Spanish to do it for them...
 
2013-08-20 06:54:36 PM  
No need to, the NSA already has access.
 
2013-08-20 06:55:24 PM  
"We've sought undertakings that there will be no inspection, copying or disclosure, transfer or interference in any other way with our client's data,"

They should have added (and may they did and it wasn't quoted).  'The contents include creative works still under the process of creation, and we will hold the government liable for financial losses due to premature publication"
 
2013-08-20 07:01:18 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: We are not in a police state. Ok?


They CAN take all your money and not give it back, or send in a SWAT team at 2 AM to serve a warrant.

But other than that...
 
2013-08-20 07:06:57 PM  
www.websophist.com
 
2013-08-20 07:12:01 PM  

fusillade762: I'll just leave this here.

One U.S. security official told Reuters that one of the main purposes of the British government's detention and questioning of Miranda was to send a message to recipients of Snowden's materials, including the Guardian, that the British government was serious about trying to shut down the leaks.


FTFL:
One U.S. security official told Reuters that one of the main purposes of the British government's detention and questioning of Miranda was to send a message to recipients of Snowden's materials, including the Guardian, that the British government was serious about trying to shut down the leaks.
That's what many people had assumed, but to have it admitted by an official just shows how incredibly stupid this whole thing was. The only message it sent was that the UK government has gone way overboard in abusing the law for reasons of personal thuggery, rather than any legitimate purpose. The law they used was an anti-terrorism law, and they flat out used it to intimidate the press. That's not how the government in a free country acts. The outrage over all of this (both the detention and the hard drive destruction) isn't just going to go away. These actions are, in some ways, worse than the original reports, because they confirm the petty vindictiveness of those in power against journalists doing their job in exposing the abuse of people's rights."

Stay classy, fascists.
 
2013-08-20 07:12:25 PM  
Really, it's "difficult to imagine"

How about this one?

Or maybe this one Laura Poitras, the US has had a hard on for her for a while now? While she may not fit the bill as a "journalist" but she is a documentary filmmaker and does a ton of investigative reporting.


Yeah I guess it is difficult to imagine it when it is already happening.

Security researchers, both legitimate and illegitimate have had their laptops, phones, ipads, etc seized at the border when entering the country. This isn't new, but it is finally happening to someone that can make some real noise about it.
 
2013-08-20 07:15:55 PM  
It's difficult to imagine, at this point, American authorities NOT seizing reporters' hard drives.
 
2013-08-20 07:16:41 PM  

hasty ambush: [www.websophist.com image 500x389]


Please tell me in what way The President himself is making the constitution "disappear".
 
2013-08-20 07:19:30 PM  

Raharu: hasty ambush: [www.websophist.com image 500x389]

Please tell me in what way The President himself is making the constitution "disappear".


President Fart personally created the national security state out of whole cloth. This certainly isn't the culmination of decades of militarization and security paranoia, primarily pushed by pissypants right-wing mouthbreathers who are afraid the Soviets/Chinese/North Koreans/Muslims/Romulans are going to come to Beecock County, Kentucky and steal their Datsun.
 
2013-08-20 07:25:14 PM  
unreasonable?
 
2013-08-20 07:27:57 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: ourbigdumbmouth: We are not in a police state. Ok?

They CAN take all your money and not give it back, or send in a SWAT team at 2 AM to serve a warrant.

But other than that...


Here's a handy interactive map of Botched Paramilitary Police Raids

Tried submitting this but got redlit.
 
2013-08-20 07:29:24 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Raharu: hasty ambush: [www.websophist.com image 500x389]

Please tell me in what way The President himself is making the constitution "disappear".

President Fart personally created the national security state out of whole cloth. This certainly isn't the culmination of decades of militarization and security paranoia, primarily pushed by pissypants right-wing mouthbreathers who are afraid the Soviets/Chinese/North Koreans/Muslims/Romulans are going to come to Beecock County, Kentucky and steal their Datsun.


A Jap car in Kentucky? You sound like a red to me.
 
2013-08-20 07:30:38 PM  
I've got a 16GB chip the size of my pinky nail in my phone right now. That's quite a bit of data that a person could find a TON of hiding places for about one's person and/or personal effects.

Better yet, fill one with a garbage file encrypted at 128-bit, stick it in your phone, and let them waste their time trying to crack it.
 
2013-08-20 07:33:04 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Raharu: hasty ambush: [www.websophist.com image 500x389]

Please tell me in what way The President himself is making the constitution "disappear".

President Fart personally created the national security state out of whole cloth. This certainly isn't the culmination of decades of militarization and security paranoia, primarily pushed by pissypants right-wing mouthbreathers who are afraid the Soviets/Chinese/North Koreans/Muslims/Romulans are going to come to Beecock County, Kentucky and steal their Datsun.


People have argued he continued the PATRIOT act.  But to have 'created' it:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-20 07:34:41 PM  

Infernalist: I'm finding it hard to get whipped up into a frenzy until something actually happens.

When something actually happens worthy of a thisisanoutrage.jpg, someone let me know.


Might be a tad bit late at that point......
 
2013-08-20 07:34:50 PM  

ox45tallboy: I've got a 16GB chip the size of my pinky nail in my phone right now. That's quite a bit of data that a person could find a TON of hiding places for about one's person and/or personal effects.

Better yet, fill one with a garbage file encrypted at 128-bit, stick it in your phone, and let them waste their time trying to crack it.


It'll be a laugh riot up until they bill you for the manhours wasted in trying to crack it.
 
2013-08-20 07:39:16 PM  

ox45tallboy: fill one with a garbage file encrypted at 128-bit


Garbage files can be pretty important.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-20 07:39:49 PM  

fusillade762: I'll just leave this here.

One U.S. security official told Reuters that one of the main purposes of the British government's detention and questioning of Miranda was to send a message to recipients of Snowden's materials, including the Guardian, that the British government was serious about trying to shut down the leaks.


I think people already know that that was intimidation on the part of the British government.  I don't know what the US govt involvement in it, but I won't be surprised if they were complicit.
 
2013-08-20 07:40:24 PM  

Evil High Priest: fusillade762: I'll just leave this here.

One U.S. security official told Reuters that one of the main purposes of the British government's detention and questioning of Miranda was to send a message to recipients of Snowden's materials, including the Guardian, that the British government was serious about trying to shut down the leaks.

FTFL:
One U.S. security official told Reuters that one of the main purposes of the British government's detention and questioning of Miranda was to send a message to recipients of Snowden's materials, including the Guardian, that the British government was serious about trying to shut down the leaks. That's what many people had assumed, but to have it admitted by an official just shows how incredibly stupid this whole thing was. The only message it sent was that the UK government has gone way overboard in abusing the law for reasons of personal thuggery, rather than any legitimate purpose. The law they used was an anti-terrorism law, and they flat out used it to intimidate the press. That's not how the government in a free country acts. The outrage over all of this (both the detention and the hard drive destruction) isn't just going to go away. These actions are, in some ways, worse than the original reports, because they confirm the petty vindictiveness of those in power against journalists doing their job in exposing the abuse of people's rights."

Stay classy, fascists.


There are PEOPLE, individual PERSONS, in the governments of the UK and the USA who are ordering and allowing this stuff to happen. Once those people are exposed and outed, they will be shamed and shunned. Reporters don't just get detained every time they fly into the USA. Somebody has to put their name on a list. The list makers are the enemies of freedom.

WHO ARE THE LIST MAKERS?

Expose the fascists. NOW.
 
2013-08-20 07:40:31 PM  
Why is the Hill reporting that MI5 destroyed the hard drives when the Guardian's editor stated that it was Guardian staff that destroyed the hard drives and computer equipment?
 
2013-08-20 07:41:14 PM  
It used to be hard to imagine such a thing.
 
2013-08-20 07:41:21 PM  

Triumph: ourbigdumbmouth: We are not in a police state. Ok?

[binaryapi.ap.org image 460x261]

Don't forget to clap as they go by.


How about we just make the sound of clapping as they go by. (Rifle fire)

You know, 15 years ago I was laughing and pointing at the nutjobs and at all the crazy saying "we're gonna have to have a revolution in the US because of the feds overreaching our rights" idiots out there. But god damn it... in the last 6 months with snowden confirming this stuff and the amazing bullshiat Obama is pulling today (wanting warrantless searches of CELL PHONES for farks' sake) I'm starting to think that maybe those crazies weren't so crazy after all. If so... god help us.  The overreach has maybe reached a tipping point.


To be honest If an insurrection started in the US... and they started killing the whacked out over militarized (we can invade your house any time we farking want, we have warrantless searches now) police and started going after the NSA,senate and house members complicate in spying on us citizens I might just join them. This bullshiat has to stop and with the constant stonewalling by the executive branch and refusal of the press to even deign to demand that this shiat STOP (no instead they want to negotiate limits) I'm starting to really think that maybe the only way we're going to get them to stop is if their blood is running in the streets. Tree of liberty and all that. Blood of tyrants and martyrs.

God I hope that this isn't where we're going in the US... we need to stop asking for them to stop and start demanding that this bullshiat stops now.
 
2013-08-20 07:41:31 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Raharu: hasty ambush: [www.websophist.com image 500x389]

Please tell me in what way The President himself is making the constitution "disappear".

President Fart personally created the national security state out of whole cloth. This certainly isn't the culmination of decades of militarization and security paranoia, primarily pushed by pissypants right-wing mouthbreathers who are afraid the Soviets/Chinese/North Koreans/Muslims/Romulans are going to come to Beecock County, Kentucky and steal their Datsun.


31.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-20 07:42:07 PM  
At some point, Obama begins to make Uncle Tom look like a Black Panther.

"When a sinister person means to be your enemy, they always start by trying to become your friend."
--- William Blake
 
2013-08-20 07:42:55 PM  
EXPOSE THE LIST MAKERS.
 
2013-08-20 07:43:15 PM  

sprgrss: Why is the Hill reporting that MI5 destroyed the hard drives when the Guardian's editor stated that it was Guardian staff that destroyed the hard drives and computer equipment?


I'm guessing the Joos.
 
2013-08-20 07:43:38 PM  

Bell-fan: God I hope that this isn't where we're going in the US... we need to stop asking for them to stop and start demanding that this bullshiat stops now.


We're there.
The time is now.

EXPOSE THE LIST MAKERS.
 
2013-08-20 07:43:42 PM  

hasty ambush: A Dark Evil Omen: Raharu: hasty ambush: [www.websophist.com image 500x389]

Please tell me in what way The President himself is making the constitution "disappear".

President Fart personally created the national security state out of whole cloth. This certainly isn't the culmination of decades of militarization and security paranoia, primarily pushed by pissypants right-wing mouthbreathers who are afraid the Soviets/Chinese/North Koreans/Muslims/Romulans are going to come to Beecock County, Kentucky and steal their Datsun.

[31.media.tumblr.com image 488x376]


I'll try again.


Please tell me in what way The President himself is making the constitution "disappear".

 
2013-08-20 07:43:49 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: ox45tallboy: fill one with a garbage file encrypted at 128-bit

Garbage files can be pretty important.

[i.imgur.com image 500x375]


I don't care what anyone says, that's a great movie.
 
2013-08-20 07:45:00 PM  
So, we're stuck in a dystopian Cyberpunk setting, but with none of the cool Cyberpunk gadgets like superhuman transplants, genome soldiers, nanomachines, and shadowrunners?.

Fark that.
 
2013-08-20 07:45:11 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-20 07:47:03 PM  

sinanju: Sadly, LUKS doesn't have a plausible deniability feature. Of course, the XKCD solution of beating you with a pipe wrench to get the passphrase is a reasonable response to this suggestion...


The solution is to use a password that you don't know.

No, seriously.  For example, have a password that you store on a CD/DVD/BD-ROM.

1.) You keep a copy of the disc in a secured location
2.) You transfer the copy of the disc
3.) Once the disc has been secured, you transfer the encrypted files
4.) If the fuzz come at you with a pipe wrench, you can't offer them the password, because even if you had memorized the thing, you'd die of old age before you could finish repeating it.

In fact, you can carry a copy of the password with you, and destroy it immediately after you encrypt the files, allowing you to work elsewhere.  If the authorities steal your password before you can use it, then you abort the mission.
 
2013-08-20 07:47:26 PM  
Hmm always in motion the future is...
 
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