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(Talking Points Memo)   Iowa GOP County Chair Chad Brown upgraded from RINO to (I)   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 42
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2013-08-20 05:10:24 PM  
Wow, that is Polk County too - not just Bumfark East Jesus.

There is hope for the reality based conservatives in Iowa. Yay.
 
2013-08-20 05:28:06 PM  
The excoriation of Chad Brown by the Petulant GOP BrigadeTM will commence in 3....2....1
 
2013-08-20 05:28:16 PM  
I'm not old enough to have watched a major political party dissolve.  This is really becoming interesting.
 
2013-08-20 05:30:31 PM  

Kuroshin: I'm not old enough to have watched a major political party dissolve.  This is really becoming interesting.


You're totally whiggin' out, man!
 
2013-08-20 05:31:30 PM  

Kuroshin: I'm not old enough to have watched a major political party dissolve.  This is really becoming interesting.


You've been witnessing the Democratic Party turn right of center since Mr. Clinton.
 
2013-08-20 05:33:34 PM  

Kuroshin: I'm not old enough to have watched a major political party dissolve.  This is really becoming interesting.


Are they, or are they just dying off and not replacing their numbers? There is an elephant graveyard metaphor in there somewhere.
 
2013-08-20 05:37:01 PM  
There's that yummy feeling of schadenfreude in my tummy again!
 
2013-08-20 05:42:26 PM  
Chad Brown is a RINO!!!!!!

Don't pay him any mind, Republicans.  You needed to get rid of libby, lib libs like Brown. anyway.
 
2013-08-20 05:43:01 PM  
He's only ten years behind the Fark republicans, declaring himself an "independent" out of shame. Don't care.
 
2013-08-20 05:43:17 PM  
Republicans should try and be more conservative.
 
2013-08-20 05:45:06 PM  

impaler: Republicans should try and be more conservative.


PALIN SANTORUM 2016! YOU BETCHA IT'S FROTHY!
 
2013-08-20 05:46:31 PM  

Yakk: Kuroshin: I'm not old enough to have watched a major political party dissolve.  This is really becoming interesting.

Are they, or are they just dying off and not replacing their numbers? There is an elephant graveyard metaphor in there somewhere.


progress by attrition?
 
2013-08-20 05:48:41 PM  
So instead of pulling up his bootstraps and standing up for his core values this guy decides to run home and cry to mommy like a liberal. The party is better off without him.
 
2013-08-20 05:49:23 PM  

Kuroshin: I'm not old enough to have watched a major political party dissolve.


Um, no one is?
 
2013-08-20 05:49:57 PM  

red230: So instead of pulling up his bootstraps and standing up for his core values this guy decides to run home and cry to mommy like a liberal. The party is better off without him.


Isn't running home and crying to mommy a core Republican value?
 
2013-08-20 05:58:09 PM  

impaler: Republicans should try and be more conservative.


Challenge accepted.
 
2013-08-20 06:11:08 PM  

Dogpants: red230: So instead of pulling up his bootstraps and standing up for his core values this guy decides to run home and cry to mommy like a liberal. The party is better off without him.

Isn't running home and crying to mommy a core Republican value?


No, blaming divorce/gays/Obamahitler/illegals is a core Republican value.
 
2013-08-20 06:33:32 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: Yakk: Kuroshin: I'm not old enough to have watched a major political party dissolve.  This is really becoming interesting.

Are they, or are they just dying off and not replacing their numbers? There is an elephant graveyard metaphor in there somewhere.

progress by attrition?


It's just the opposite in Iowa. The continual gutting of our public education (though it's still one of the better systems in the USA), combined with the misalignment between our public universities' leading degree programs and in-state employment opportunities, are encouraging young and educated Iowans to leave by the busload once they finish college.

We've been able to keep attracting Fortune 500 companies to Des Moines and our few other metro areas... but the fact that so many of our rural counties are rejecting the modern GOP is quite encouraging. The days of Steve King and his ilk are numbered. Despite the Iowa GOP's best attempts, our rural areas simply aren't as naive and uneducated as their counterparts in states like Kansas and Texas.
 
2013-08-20 06:55:10 PM  
Not meaning to nitpick him...  But I notice he's saying what they're doing and saying is wrong based on their ability to win elections, not because what they are doing is morally wrong and mentally retarded.
 
2013-08-20 07:06:38 PM  

red230: So instead of pulling up his bootstraps and standing up for his core values this guy decides to run home and cry to mommy like a liberal. The party is better off without him.


It's a fine line between trolling and merely chumming. This is sloppy work. 1.5/10.
 
2013-08-20 07:07:53 PM  
read that (I) as vagina.


Good for you Mr. Brown.
 
2013-08-20 07:07:53 PM  

BMulligan: red230: So instead of pulling up his bootstraps and standing up for his core values this guy decides to run home and cry to mommy like a liberal. The party is better off without him.

It's a fine line between trolling and merely chumming. This is sloppy work. 1.5/10.


Actually, upon further review, I think my sarcasm meter may have been on the fritz. If so, I'm sorry.
 
2013-08-20 07:11:47 PM  

Kuroshin: I'm not old enough to have watched a major political party dissolve.  This is really becoming interesting.


Hear hear.

First, I'm curious what's going to happen to the Republican  brand. The name of the Party of Lincoln will probably still carry some heft in certain circles, so I could see multiple factions wanting to claim it for their own. Alternatively, I could see the Teabaggers behaving so badly they poison it. Whoever breaks away will be doing so as much to avoid the name as the toxic policies and partisan purges.

Second, I'm going to show a little concern for a party which is at least partially aligned with Republican ideals (and I mean the original ones, not the pants-on-head retarded ones they're cleaving to now): The Libertarians. Will the "smaller government" party manage to maintain its focus as the Republican rats desert the sinking ship of their own party and climb onto theirs? And will the Repub-libertarians' efforts to "build the brand" so that it can go toe-to-toe with the Democrats damage their message?

Another scenario that'd be nice is the Republicans splitting, a measure of them going to the Democrats, and then some of the more progressive Democrats splitting off to give some actual representation to an actual  left-centrist ideal. Okay, maybe not that last one, but it would be nice.

I'm going to need a popcorn subscription.
 
2013-08-20 07:13:44 PM  
Iowa is a really interesting case.

I35 divides up west Iowa and east Iowa.  Steve King used to be on the western most part of Iowa with a vertical line bracing the top and bottom of state lines.  Until Iowa lost a delegate going to four representatives and then they cut it into quadrants.  He went from winning by about 67% to by 55%

Iowa is conservative, but not tea party reactionary and the eastern half of the state is fighting like hell to get people like Steve King put in check.
 
2013-08-20 07:33:30 PM  

clkeagle: It's just the opposite in Iowa. The continual gutting of our public education (though it's still one of the better systems in the USA), combined with the misalignment between our public universities' leading degree programs and in-state employment opportunities, are encouraging young and educated Iowans to leave by the busload once they finish college.

We've been able to keep attracting Fortune 500 companies to Des Moines and our few other metro areas... but the fact that so many of our rural counties are rejecting the modern GOP is quite encouraging. The days of Steve King and his ilk are numbered. Despite the Iowa GOP's best attempts, our rural areas simply aren't as naive and uneducated as their counterparts in states like Kansas and Texas.


I dated a girl from the western half of Iowa and, while trending small-town conservative, the people in her town always seemed to be pretty savvy. Definitely when compared to similar-sized towns in Texas.
 
2013-08-20 07:40:50 PM  

Crabs_Can_Polevault: First, I'm curious what's going to happen to the Republican  brand. The name of the Party of Lincoln will probably still carry some heft in certain circles, so I could see multiple factions wanting to claim it for their own. Alternatively, I could see the Teabaggers behaving so badly they poison it. Whoever breaks away will be doing so as much to avoid the name as the toxic policies and partisan purges.


TJ O'Hara's MWP is way ahead of you...
oi40.tinypic.com

Second, I'm going to show a little concern for a party which is at least partially aligned with Republican ideals (and I mean the original ones, not the pants-on-head retarded ones they're cleaving to now): The Libertarians. Will the "smaller government" party manage to maintain its focus as the Republican rats desert the sinking ship of their own party and climb onto theirs? And will the Repub-libertarians' efforts to "build the brand" so that it can go toe-to-toe with the Democrats damage their message?


The Libertarians are set up for failure. Their icons - Ron and Rand Paul - could care less about the size of government at the state level. Their ideal America seems to be fifty Christian theocracies united only by language and currency. That approach only fits one strategy that I can think of - divide and conquer. I'd rather we all be Americans first, rather than defining ourselves as state before country.

I personally consider myself to be a modern federalist - for all its failings, the federal government is generally less corrupt and inefficient than many of today's state bureaucracies. I'd rather see state governments shrink tremendously in size, while the federal government stays at the same (or increased) levels. We could simplify so much of our bureaucratic processes by administering many things at the federal level... for example, can anyone tell me why we need fifty different drivers' licenses in the US? 

Another scenario that'd be nice is the Republicans splitting, a measure of them going to the Democrats, and then some of the more progressive Democrats splitting off to give some actual representation to an actual  left-centrist ideal. Okay, maybe not that last one, but it would be nice.

I'm with you 100% on this one, and have discussed the same scenario in a few other threads. But my dreams are usually crushed when others point out (rightly) that very few Republicans would be willing to identify as Democrats. More likely, they will be D-voting Independents.
 
2013-08-20 08:26:12 PM  
lots of iowans are just GOP 'cause 'they voted for eisenhower 'cause lincoln won the war' sort of folks, to steal a phrase from John Prine

I predict this more and more

and who will pick up the slack? The Democrats are nothing but GOP-lite anymore

I'm not sure the Greens up to it.

someone call up the Bull Moose Progressives for a comeback
 
2013-08-20 08:26:37 PM  

clkeagle: TJ O'Hara's MWP is way ahead of you...


I don't take them seriously, for crap like this:
images.sodahead.com

Socialists?  Really?
 
2013-08-20 08:45:01 PM  
Satanic_Hamster: I don't take them seriously, for crap like this:
[images.sodahead.com image 400x386]

Socialists?  Really?


That reminds me, it's time for a race-neutral literacy test.
 
2013-08-20 09:13:10 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: clkeagle: TJ O'Hara's MWP is way ahead of you...

I don't take them seriously, for crap like this:
[images.sodahead.com image 400x386]

Socialists?  Really?


At least they can use MS Paint to its full extent.
 
2013-08-20 09:16:00 PM  
Steve King won't run for Tom Harkin's senate seat because he would get his ass handed to him in a statewide election. He needs to stay in his northwest Iowa insane asylum if he wants to stay in office.
 
2013-08-20 09:18:06 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: I don't take them seriously, for crap like this:
[images.sodahead.com image 400x386]

Socialists?  Really?


I missed that one. They were interesting at first, and I certainly wish them well... but they desperately need some focus and direction before they achieve mass appeal.

Omahawg: lots of iowans are just GOP 'cause 'they voted for eisenhower 'cause lincoln won the war' sort of folks, to steal a phrase from John Prine
I predict this more and more
and who will pick up the slack? The Democrats are nothing but GOP-lite anymore
I'm not sure the Greens up to it.
someone call up the Bull Moose Progressives for a comeback


Dude, now you're talking. Let's get one started in Iowa - you and I can run for our districts' state House seats in a few years and support each others' campaigns.

A Teddy Roosevelt movement would appeal to lots of American workers, and I can't think of a more noble cause to run on than trust-busting anti-plutocracy... we just need to figure out how to trick corporations into donating to anti-corporate candidates' campaigns...
 
2013-08-20 09:26:24 PM  

clkeagle: Satanic_Hamster: I don't take them seriously, for crap like this:
[images.sodahead.com image 400x386]

Socialists?  Really?

I missed that one. They were interesting at first, and I certainly wish them well... but they desperately need some focus and direction before they achieve mass appeal.

Omahawg: lots of iowans are just GOP 'cause 'they voted for eisenhower 'cause lincoln won the war' sort of folks, to steal a phrase from John Prine
I predict this more and more
and who will pick up the slack? The Democrats are nothing but GOP-lite anymore
I'm not sure the Greens up to it.
someone call up the Bull Moose Progressives for a comeback

Dude, now you're talking. Let's get one started in Iowa - you and I can run for our districts' state House seats in a few years and support each others' campaigns.

A Teddy Roosevelt movement would appeal to lots of American workers, and I can't think of a more noble cause to run on than trust-busting anti-plutocracy... we just need to figure out how to trick corporations into donating to anti-corporate candidates' campaigns...


ha! i'm tempted to file papers against Forristall, which should be easy since he's on the education board for ALEC, but I'm lazy, busy, and have more skeltons in my closet than Clinton could even dream about.

Then again, perhaps that's not really a liability? "Sure, I dropped enough acid to levitate Pottawattamie County but I learned from my mistakes. If you've never made a mistake have you ever really learned a damn thing?"
 
2013-08-20 09:40:26 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: clkeagle: TJ O'Hara's MWP is way ahead of you...

I don't take them seriously, for crap like this:
[images.sodahead.com image 400x386]

Socialists?  Really?


You completely misread that. They're not calling anyone socialists; they're calling Republicans "socialist-fearing elephants." I took that as being tongue-in-cheek, but even if it's meant entirely without irony it isn't exactly wrong.

The Modern Whigs are still deluded nuts, though.

/Afghan Whigs are a completely different fettle of kish
 
2013-08-20 10:02:37 PM  

Omahawg: ha! i'm tempted to file papers against Forristall, which should be easy since he's on the education board for ALEC, but I'm lazy, busy, and have more skeltons in my closet than Clinton could even dream about.

Then again, perhaps that's not really a liability? "Sure, I dropped enough acid to levitate Pottawattamie County but I learned from my mistakes. If you've never made a mistake have you ever really learned a damn thing?"


Hey, as long as you don't start having flashbacks while we're on our fundraising tour...
 
2013-08-20 10:10:41 PM  

Craptastic: He's only ten years behind the Fark republicans, declaring himself an "independent" out of shame. Don't care.


Yes he registers Independent but it does nothing to keep  him for pulling the lever for Straight ticket Republicans.
 
2013-08-21 12:01:47 AM  
Chad Brown switched from R to I. Wonder where he's been hanging out lately.
 
2013-08-21 01:08:28 AM  

Kuroshin: I'm not old enough to have watched a major political party dissolve.  This is really becoming interesting.


It's not dissolving, it's calcifying.  That's not necessarily a good thing.
 
2013-08-21 01:21:32 AM  

Crabs_Can_Polevault: I'm curious what's going to happen to the Republican brand.


So many idiotic speeches, and so many key players purity-tested out of the party, and yet they seem to know nothing about why they are suddenly losing important elections.
 
2013-08-21 02:05:31 AM  

clkeagle: Omahawg: ha! i'm tempted to file papers against Forristall, which should be easy since he's on the education board for ALEC, but I'm lazy, busy, and have more skeltons in my closet than Clinton could even dream about.

Then again, perhaps that's not really a liability? "Sure, I dropped enough acid to levitate Pottawattamie County but I learned from my mistakes. If you've never made a mistake have you ever really learned a damn thing?"

Hey, as long as you don't start having flashbacks while we're on our fundraising tour...


New rule:  Politicians are required to have taken at least 1000 micrograms of acid at once to qualify for elected office.  It will make politics better, and a whole hell of a lot more interesting.
 
2013-08-21 09:42:27 AM  

Kuroshin: I'm not old enough to have watched a major political party dissolve.  This is really becoming interesting.


No one is, since it hasn't happened since 1856.
 
2013-08-21 09:55:09 AM  

clkeagle: TrollingForColumbine: Yakk: Kuroshin: I'm not old enough to have watched a major political party dissolve.  This is really becoming interesting.

Are they, or are they just dying off and not replacing their numbers? There is an elephant graveyard metaphor in there somewhere.

progress by attrition?

It's just the opposite in Iowa. The continual gutting of our public education (though it's still one of the better systems in the USA), combined with the misalignment between our public universities' leading degree programs and in-state employment opportunities, are encouraging young and educated Iowans to leave by the busload once they finish college.

We've been able to keep attracting Fortune 500 companies to Des Moines and our few other metro areas... but the fact that so many of our rural counties are rejecting the modern GOP is quite encouraging. The days of Steve King and his ilk are numbered. Despite the Iowa GOP's best attempts, our rural areas simply aren't as naive and uneducated as their counterparts in states like Kansas and Texas.


Hey! I'm from Kansas and... You're right.
 
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