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(International Business Times)   There may be a real effort to rein in NSA surveillance next year. No, not because of public outrage -you're cute- but because US data hosting companies have figured out it's driving away business for them, to the tune of $35 BILLION a year   (ibtimes.com) divider line 42
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2013-08-20 04:56:35 PM  
I'm perfectly happy to use the excuse of capitalism to keep the panopticon at bay.
 
2013-08-20 05:03:42 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: panopticon


*googles*

Oooh. Yes, that sums it up nicely.
 
2013-08-20 05:24:18 PM  
i.imgur.com
Good.
 
2013-08-20 05:40:55 PM  
It's costing my company customers, for sure. Still growing,but it would be nice to grow more.
 
2013-08-20 05:49:30 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm perfectly happy to use the excuse of capitalism to keep the panopticon at bay.


+1 to you, good sir/madam.
 
2013-08-20 05:55:06 PM  
This is why I made my own innernet tubes.
 
2013-08-20 05:56:45 PM  
What?  data has to actually be stored somewhere?
 
2013-08-20 06:07:09 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm perfectly happy to use the excuse of capitalism to keep the panopticon at bay.



Oh you used a dollar word, and used it well. Congratulations.
 
2013-08-20 06:07:30 PM  
upl.co
I sure hope a republican wins the next election cycle. Not that I like republicans -i don't- but it sure will be nice to have democrats starting to care about civil liberties and privacy rights again.
 
2013-08-20 06:08:21 PM  
Not to be "that guy" but TFA says $35b over 3 years.

/still fark the NSA
//knock on door brb
 
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2013-08-20 06:13:52 PM  
This surprises anyone?
 
2013-08-20 06:17:05 PM  
Who gives a shiat about "rights" and "liberties" when there's money to be made?
 
2013-08-20 06:35:03 PM  

MrEricSir: Who gives a shiat about "rights" and "liberties" when there's money to be made?


You have to row with the oars you've got in order to hit them where it hurts for the greater good. If the weak spot is the bottom line, so be it.
 
2013-08-20 06:44:46 PM  

DerAppie: MrEricSir: Who gives a shiat about "rights" and "liberties" when there's money to be made?

You have to row with the oars you've got in order to hit them where it hurts for the greater good. If the weak spot is the bottom line, so be it.


See how that works out for you next month when corporations are back to trying to take your rights away yet again. You can't solve these types of fundamental problems with democracy by selling out, that's what got us here in the first place.
 
2013-08-20 06:59:55 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm perfectly happy to use the excuse of capitalism to keep the panopticon at bay.


Damn nice use of panopticon.  Also a great way to set the tone of a thread in the initial presentation of opinion.
 
2013-08-20 07:08:12 PM  

MrEricSir: DerAppie: MrEricSir: Who gives a shiat about "rights" and "liberties" when there's money to be made?

You have to row with the oars you've got in order to hit them where it hurts for the greater good. If the weak spot is the bottom line, so be it.

See how that works out for you next month when corporations are back to trying to take your rights away yet again. You can't solve these types of fundamental problems with democracy by selling out, that's what got us here in the first place.


But it is working in the right direction in this case. I agree with infringing stopping because it hurts the bottom line. I don't agree with infringing because it improves the bottom line.
 
2013-08-20 07:08:25 PM  
img62.imageshack.us
 
2013-08-20 07:34:35 PM  
cascadeclimbers.com
 
2013-08-20 07:36:59 PM  
Wait, you mean to tell me that the NSA trawling through your most sensitive corporate data is slowing adoption of US cloud hosting services?

You don't say.

/businessmen are not stupid
//for the most part
 
2013-08-20 07:54:15 PM  
That's cute. It's okay to create a New World Order surveillance state where all your rights are forfeit and you've become nothing but livestock to fatten the globalist Bilderberg elite.

As long as it doesn't get in the way of corporate profit.

Alex Jones doesn't go far enough.
 
2013-08-20 08:01:45 PM  
Freedom isn't free, you tools.
 
2013-08-20 08:27:47 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Freedom isn't free, you tools.



Buck O' Five.
 
2013-08-20 08:50:43 PM  
I kinda predicted this.

Actually I predicted clouds would seem like a beautiful solution for everyones data storage until some child pornographer got caught, then the whole market would tank as all the lawyers and accountants removed their shiat from the internet.

/Figured the government was digging into peoples files and just needed an excuse to use them.
/Didn't figure they'd forego the excuse part and just take everyones data wholesale.
 
2013-08-20 09:12:36 PM  
are you a criminal or terrorist? what have you to fear if you are not doing anything immoral or illegal?
it applies to the virtual and the real world today, obey or be suspected of criminal activity.
you will be held as guilty until proven innocent.
 
2013-08-20 09:13:01 PM  

way south: I kinda predicted this.

Actually I predicted clouds would seem like a beautiful solution for everyones data storage until some child pornographer got caught, then the whole market would tank as all the lawyers and accountants removed their shiat from the internet.

/Figured the government was digging into peoples files and just needed an excuse to use them.
/Didn't figure they'd forego the excuse part and just take everyones data wholesale.


I kinda predicted you'd say that.

Just yesterday I was telling my wife "You know that Fark user Way South? Well, he's going to say..."
 
2013-08-20 09:44:41 PM  

DerAppie: MrEricSir: DerAppie: MrEricSir: Who gives a shiat about "rights" and "liberties" when there's money to be made?

You have to row with the oars you've got in order to hit them where it hurts for the greater good. If the weak spot is the bottom line, so be it.

See how that works out for you next month when corporations are back to trying to take your rights away yet again. You can't solve these types of fundamental problems with democracy by selling out, that's what got us here in the first place.

But it is working in the right direction in this case. I agree with infringing stopping because it hurts the bottom line. I don't agree with infringing because it improves the bottom line.


Yeah, not so much -- there's zero reason to believe that these companies are on your side in all of this; they have a PR problem, Americans have a government problem. Different problems, different solutions.
 
2013-08-20 09:45:21 PM  

OceanVortex: way south: I kinda predicted this.

Actually I predicted clouds would seem like a beautiful solution for everyones data storage until some child pornographer got caught, then the whole market would tank as all the lawyers and accountants removed their shiat from the internet.

/Figured the government was digging into peoples files and just needed an excuse to use them.
/Didn't figure they'd forego the excuse part and just take everyones data wholesale.

I kinda predicted you'd say that.

Just yesterday I was telling my wife "You know that Fark user Way South? Well, he's going to say..."


Well you were RIGHT!

Its just that the topic had come up more than a few times before the Snowden mess. Theres always someone that believes clouds are the awesome future, and my usual rebuttal was that it only lasts till people figure out their stuff can be accessed by anyone (and that the government would prove my case).   Clouds aren't for storing anything you care about keeping secret.

Unlike Subby I don't think there's any putting this out of users minds with the NSA's fabrications getting more convoluted at every hearing. People will either accept that they don't have privacy or attempt to regain control of their data by limiting access.
Keeping it offline is the fastest way to achieve the latter, which is bad for anyone in the online storage business.
 
2013-08-20 09:51:19 PM  
Actually, public disclosure of surveillance hurts business....not the surveillance itself (note that no business were hurt before disclosures were made).  When Snowden talked about NSA access to US service providers he said that they provided direct access and that any information could be queried at any time.  As more information about FAA-702 was released, that turned out not to be true.  Instead, FAA-702 provides a law enforcement type mechanism where a user's data can be acquired with a warrant.  FAA-702 also cannot be used against US citizens, which is something Snowden and the journalists he's leaking to neglected to mention.

I'm also not sure how foreign governments not using GMail is going to cost billions of dollars.
 
2013-08-20 10:24:39 PM  

way south: I kinda predicted this. Actually I predicted clouds would seem like a beautiful solution for everyones data storage until some child pornographer got caught, then the whole market would tank as all the lawyers and accountants removed their shiat from the internet. /Figured the government was digging into peoples files and just needed an excuse to use them. /Didn't figure they'd forego the excuse part and just take everyones data wholesale.

Already has happened. Cloud storage companies already scan all image files against a list of known CP.  http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/how-verizon-fou n d-a-child-pornographer-in-its-cloud/

 
2013-08-20 10:48:20 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-20 11:46:24 PM  
As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.

Commissioner Pravin Lal, "U.N. Declaration of Rights"
 
2013-08-21 12:11:14 AM  
Yeah right. But it won't stop them from telling us this.
 
2013-08-21 12:27:09 AM  

xaldin: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm perfectly happy to use the excuse of capitalism to keep the panopticon at bay.


Oh you used a dollar word, and used it well. Congratulations.


What does it say about our empitcarianistic society when it causes this much oobelrouzen when someone uses a four syllable dreadlenandic word?
 
2013-08-21 12:34:29 AM  

Obama's Left Nut: Not to be "that guy" but TFA says $35b over 3 years.

/still fark the NSA
//knock on door brb


And the article kinda made it up, if you think about it.
 
2013-08-21 04:19:47 AM  
What outrage? A few people complaining on the Internet does not an outrage make.

Our lazy asses deserve it because deep down people are would rather let someone else lord over them then make the vigilant effort liberty requires.
 
2013-08-21 05:42:44 AM  

Mattix: As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.

Commissioner Pravin Lal, "U.N. Declaration of Rights"


...so people should be encouraging the access of their information by anyone who wants it?
 
2013-08-21 07:47:30 AM  
"No, not because of public outrage -you're cute- "
actually, the house came within SIX (6) votes of clamping down on the FISA sweeps just a month after the first revelations of the verizon customer data sweeps even though Pelois, Bohner, McConnell, Obama, (basically the entire democratic and republican leadership) was whipping the rank and file to support the status quo.
since then a few dozen significantly more outrageous stories have broken. so yeah subs, it will be public outrage that ends this BS.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/24/1226187/-White-House-blasts -a mendment-curtailing-the-NSA-s-nbsp-power
 
2013-08-21 07:49:51 AM  

Prophet of Loss: What outrage? A few people complaining on the Internet does not an outrage make.

Our lazy asses deserve it because deep down people are would rather let someone else lord over them then make the vigilant effort liberty requires.


Every day I am amazed and appalled at the apparent lack of care about this issue. How is this not in the news every single day? How are these guys not getting pounded and hounded by journalists every single day?

Everyone took it as sorta "augh, well fer cryin' out... ooh walmart has a sale"

This thread has 37 comments including mine.

A few threads down is a thread about the new xbox, with about 300 comments.

I talk about it all the time to people and they get annoyed with me. Annoyed. That I talk about how we're actually living in an Orwellian future. It's here. Para-militarization of law enforcement, absolute corruption, loss of liberties, mass spying on the world. It's here. And people are just rolling over and taking it. And it scares the sh*t out of me.
 
2013-08-21 08:55:10 AM  

sure haven't: Prophet of Loss: What outrage? A few people complaining on the Internet does not an outrage make.

Our lazy asses deserve it because deep down people are would rather let someone else lord over them then make the vigilant effort liberty requires.

Every day I am amazed and appalled at the apparent lack of care about this issue. How is this not in the news every single day? How are these guys not getting pounded and hounded by journalists every single day?

Everyone took it as sorta "augh, well fer cryin' out... ooh walmart has a sale"

This thread has 37 comments including mine.

A few threads down is a thread about the new xbox, with about 300 comments.

I talk about it all the time to people and they get annoyed with me. Annoyed. That I talk about how we're actually living in an Orwellian future. It's here. Para-militarization of law enforcement, absolute corruption, loss of liberties, mass spying on the world. It's here. And people are just rolling over and taking it. And it scares the sh*t out of me.


WORD.

You are not alone.
 
2013-08-21 11:06:38 AM  
sure haven't:

I talk about it all the time to people and they get annoyed with me. Annoyed. That I talk about how we're actually living in an Orwellian future. It's here. Para-militarization of law enforcement, absolute corruption, loss of liberties, mass spying on the world. It's here. And people are just rolling over and taking it. And it scares the sh*t out of me.

Me too... Unfortunately, there's "us" and there's "them". Politicians are bullshiat artists who say they'll do what's best for the people, and as soon as they're elected, do what's best for themselves and their corporate cronies. And the very few who are actually honest (assuming there are any) are rendered completely ineffective by the other 99%. The majority rule system only works when the majority aren't total dishonest shiatbags.

So yeah... you and I are pretty much farked.
 
2013-08-21 02:01:00 PM  

Head_Shot: WORD.

You are not alone.


GibbyTheMole: Me too...


I'm actually Canadian, but it affects us up here almost as much.

Next 10 years or so are going to be rough.
 
2013-08-22 01:39:29 AM  

sure haven't: Prophet of Loss: What outrage? A few people complaining on the Internet does not an outrage make.

Our lazy asses deserve it because deep down people are would rather let someone else lord over them then make the vigilant effort liberty requires.

Every day I am amazed and appalled at the apparent lack of care about this issue. How is this not in the news every single day? How are these guys not getting pounded and hounded by journalists every single day?

Everyone took it as sorta "augh, well fer cryin' out... ooh walmart has a sale"

This thread has 37 comments including mine.

A few threads down is a thread about the new xbox, with about 300 comments.


Go on over to the Main thread about the latest NSA revelation; there are over 300 comments, including a few from yours truly.  I mostly lurk, so this topic is bringing me out of the woodwork.
 
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