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2013-08-20 01:26:50 PM
My 360 is crapping out. Im more likely to buy a new one than to bother with an Xbox One.
 
2013-08-20 01:28:03 PM
So many sequels, seems fairly lackluster.

I'm going to wait a year before buying.
 
2013-08-20 01:28:57 PM
I can't really understand this assumption that the PS4 is going to be amazing, given what a steaming pile the 3 was on launch.
 
2013-08-20 01:29:42 PM
 
2013-08-20 01:30:08 PM
That seems like a lot of money to pay for the new Forza.
 
2013-08-20 01:30:49 PM
HotWingConspiracy: I can't really understand this assumption that the PS4 is going to be amazing, given what a steaming pile the 3 was on launch.

Based on the thin layer of dust that coats the top of my PS3, I'm probably going to wait a year for the PS4 as well.

// now I have time to catch up on my backlog of 360 games
 
2013-08-20 01:31:47 PM
I'll buy one once The Elder Scrolls Online comes out. Give me enough time to run through my remaining 360 library and hopefully avoid any problems in the initial hardware run.
 
2013-08-20 01:32:41 PM

HotWingConspiracy: I can't really understand this assumption that the PS4 is going to be amazing, given what a steaming pile the 3 was on launch.


Less fail from Sony than MS so far, which given Sony's track record, means the PS4 will likely be more volatile than a Pinto.

I've been waffling about keeping my PS4 preorder, lots of stuff I want to play that hits in the next few weeks, and not much at launch for the PS4 other than Watch Dogs (which will also be PS3)
 
2013-08-20 01:36:27 PM

Klivian: HotWingConspiracy: I can't really understand this assumption that the PS4 is going to be amazing, given what a steaming pile the 3 was on launch.

Less fail from Sony than MS so far, which given Sony's track record, means the PS4 will likely be more volatile than a Pinto.

I've been waffling about keeping my PS4 preorder, lots of stuff I want to play that hits in the next few weeks, and not much at launch for the PS4 other than Watch Dogs (which will also be PS3)


Yeah I'm seeing nothing compelling enough to get me to buy a crap-ass launch system. It seems like 90% of the games announced will be released on current gen systems as well. I can wait a year.
 
2013-08-20 01:36:47 PM

ampoliros: Never Buy a Console at Launch


I just bought my first ever console in November, so i'm looking forward to learning about what i'll be buying in 2018
 
2013-08-20 01:37:15 PM
I honestly think the $499 price tag is gonna be a deal breaker.
 
2013-08-20 01:37:35 PM

ampoliros: Never Buy a Console at Launch


Thank you for that.
 
2013-08-20 01:39:58 PM
My Xbox360 says fark off and get off my lawn!

Never buy a console at launch. That's like having unprotected sex on the first date with a girl off craigslist. You really want to take that risk?

I'll take a serious look at Spring next year, and if my tax returns are burning a hole in my wallet I might consider Xbone or PS4. For now meh, call me when a title comes out that is must have to die for.. I don't see one yet.
 
2013-08-20 01:41:39 PM

oh_please: I honestly think the $499 price tag is gonna be a deal breaker.


All they have to do is un-bundle the Kinnect, and off it at $400 and everything swings back to MS. It will also mean a complete flip-flop on everything that MS said they would not change (always on, no used games).

I was at a training session for work (Six Sigma for those curious, and ye gods was it tedious) and one of the things that got driven home was the idea of value. Value being defined as "something the customer is willing to pay for"

The Kinnect is something that customers don't want, and don't want to have to pay extra for. Improve the value of the One by un-bundling it and you increase how attractive it is. How is it that a megacorp like MS doesn't know basic business?
 
2013-08-20 01:44:31 PM

Baelz: My Xbox360 says fark off and get off my lawn!


My PS2 and I would like you to take your adolescent nerd-rage to another patch of grass.
 
2013-08-20 01:45:09 PM

INeedAName: My 360 is crapping out. Im more likely to buy a new one than to bother with an Xbox One.


If you can live with a non-HDMI model (I have an RGB/component cable, though), I have a spare one to sell.

// it's been opened and re-soldered using not-crap, too
// EIP, I think
 
2013-08-20 01:47:20 PM
I'm sure the fan boys (and girls) will buy up a bunch in the beginning but I don't see the One continuing to sell to the general gaming population. Everyone I know is already talking about how much it sucks due to the online requirement.
 
2013-08-20 01:48:16 PM
Can't play Peggle without the latest console!
 
2013-08-20 01:48:41 PM
Odd Bird : My PS2 and I would like you to take your adolescent nerd-rage to another patch of grass.

My launch PS3 ate a PS2 and is fully backward compatible.

// My PS2 now belongs to my little sister and plays nothing but dancing games.
 
2013-08-20 01:49:12 PM
Never had a bluray and my htpc shiat the bed right at xboxone announcement so I said fark it and preordered one. Bonus - I've never had a console of any kind.

/i'm completely aware this makes me a subhuman moron - i'm ok with it
 
2013-08-20 01:50:05 PM

ModernPrimitive01: I'm sure the fan boys (and girls) will buy up a bunch in the beginning but I don't see the One continuing to sell to the general gaming population. Everyone I know is already talking about how much it sucks due to the online requirement.


All those previously announced restrictions were removed in a series of "Opps, my bad" announcements from Microsoft.
 
2013-08-20 01:51:52 PM
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And we are proud to announce that the Xbox One will launch with twenty-three different versions of Ryse: Son of Rome.  Whether you're playing the Ryse Day One Edition, the Ryse Day Four Edition, or the Ryse Fabric of War Edition, with a piece of an actual Roman Legionnaire's armor embedded directly into the disc, all academic disciplines will replace their studies with a copy of Ryse: Son of Rome.  Wow.  I can't wait to see what the future of education holds for us all.
 
2013-08-20 01:52:17 PM

Geotpf: ModernPrimitive01: I'm sure the fan boys (and girls) will buy up a bunch in the beginning but I don't see the One continuing to sell to the general gaming population. Everyone I know is already talking about how much it sucks due to the online requirement.

All those previously announced restrictions were removed in a series of "Opps, my bad Please stop lighting my clothes on fire and throwing them out the window" announcements from Microsoft.


FTFY
 
2013-08-20 01:53:03 PM
Aside from Crimson Dragon (which I am assuming is a sequel to Blue Dragon from the 360), is there any title on this list that we didn't already know about?
 
2013-08-20 01:54:20 PM

RexTalionis: Aside from Crimson Dragon (which I am assuming is a sequel to Blue Dragon from the 360)


Crimson Dragon is a spiritual successor to the Panzer Dragoon rail-shooting series.  Just throwing that out there.
 
2013-08-20 01:54:38 PM

RexTalionis: Aside from Crimson Dragon (which I am assuming is a sequel to Blue Dragon from the 360), is there any title on this list that we didn't already know about?


Oh, it's a Panzer Dragoon rail shooter? Meh.
 
2013-08-20 01:56:38 PM

Dr Dreidel: INeedAName: My 360 is crapping out. Im more likely to buy a new one than to bother with an Xbox One.

If you can live with a non-HDMI model (I have an RGB/component cable, though), I have a spare one to sell.

// it's been opened and re-soldered using not-crap, too
// EIP, I think


Appreciate the offer, but I've been running hdmi for a few years now, and Im not sure I want to go back!
 
2013-08-20 01:59:45 PM

ModernPrimitive01: I'm sure the fan boys (and girls) will buy up a bunch in the beginning but I don't see the One continuing to sell to the general gaming population. Everyone I know is already talking about how much it sucks due to the online requirement.


I'm pretty sure you havent been reading the news too often.  That's not a requirement anymore.  They backpedaled the shiat out of that and the used games thing.
 
2013-08-20 02:00:27 PM

INeedAName: Dr Dreidel: INeedAName: My 360 is crapping out. Im more likely to buy a new one than to bother with an Xbox One.

If you can live with a non-HDMI model (I have an RGB/component cable, though), I have a spare one to sell.

// it's been opened and re-soldered using not-crap, too
// EIP, I think

Appreciate the offer, but I've been running hdmi for a few years now, and Im not sure I want to go back!


How is it crapping out?
 
2013-08-20 02:00:51 PM

lordargent: Odd Bird : My PS2 and I would like you to take your adolescent nerd-rage to another patch of grass.

My launch PS3 ate a PS2 and is fully backward compatible.

// My PS2 now belongs to my little sister and plays nothing but dancing games.


This. Although I gave my PS2 to my goddaughter.

Aside from the save issues with fallout 3 and skyrim, the only negative I had with the ps3 is the lack of a Valkyrie Profile 3. I blame tri-ace for that.

Games and movies in 7.1 surround is awesome.

The ability of the ps3 to update it bluray movie playback capability as the medium developed was its true saving grace. The Netflix and Hulu integration is a bonus.

I think I just talked myself out of getting a ps4.
 
2013-08-20 02:01:14 PM

INeedAName: Appreciate the offer, but I've been running hdmi for a few years now, and Im not sure I want to go back!


DANGIT!

Well, anyone who wants it, EIP (I think). It's just taking up space under my fully-functional XBox (which I bought after the used one - the one I'm trying to sell - RROD'd after a month, after my original one RROD'd after 14 months).

// had a friend patch the two solder-holes and he kept the HDMI box as payment
 
2013-08-20 02:01:28 PM

HotWingConspiracy: I can't really understand this assumption that the PS4 is going to be amazing, given what a steaming pile the 3 was on launch.


The fact that Sony has adopted a standard architecture is a good sign. A big chunk of the PS3s problems can be directly traced to the fact that they went with a cell microprocessor. In theory, it makes it graphically powerful. In practice, it makes it a biatch and a half to develop for, so most developers have, sensibly, viewed the PS3 as a box that you port games to after you develop them for PC and XBox.  It's also a big reason that so many of the games of it are bug ridden.

Does it mean that it will be amazing? I dunno. I'm going to wait a full year before I jump to a next gen console to see what issues shake out. At the moment, however, I'm getting bad vibes from the XB1... it really doesn't sound like they have their shiat together, yet... so I tending to put my hopes on the PS4.
 
2013-08-20 02:01:56 PM
I'm more interested in the upcoming 3DS game Triforce of the Gods 2 / A Link Between Worlds than I am about anything coming from Microsoft or Sony this Christmas.
 
2013-08-20 02:02:44 PM

oh_please: I honestly think the $499 price tag is gonna be a deal breaker.


It's a tough pill to swallow, no doubt.  I keep hoping against hope that MS will come to its senses and put out a non-Kinnect 2 version and scrape $100 off.  Do that, and I place my preorder today.  BUT this:

Baelz: Never buy a console at launch. That's like having unprotected sex on the first date with a girl off craigslist. You really want to take that risk?


concerns me as well.  Did MS learn its lesson with the original 360 RRoD?  Since they haven't seemed to have learned anything from Sony's PS3 launch fiasco, it seems unclear that they are capable of learning, although they have been listening of late.
 
2013-08-20 02:03:57 PM
So you are not forcing me to USE the Kinect, you are just forcing me to BUY it.

Yeah, good luck with that.

/love my 360
 
2013-08-20 02:06:48 PM
McGrits: The ability of the ps3 to update it bluray movie playback capability as the medium developed was its true saving grace.

In my case,

I started with a PS2, my flatmate at the time had an xbox, I started buying xbox games. When he moved out, I bought an xbox (so that I could continue to play xbox games).

Then the 360 came out, I waited a few months before buying it (waiting for burnout revenge to be released). Got a bunch of 360 games.

Didn't see anything on the PS3 that I wanted, didn't (and still don't) care about blu-ray, I buy gaming consoles to play games.

// eventually, I bought a launch PS3 from a friend (it was collecting dust in her house) for $200. I played heavy rain, little big planet and uncharted. And now it's collecting dust (until I have time to get/play the last of us))
.
// The hardware is fine, but I hate the UI, I basically hardly turn the thing on.
 
2013-08-20 02:10:03 PM

sethen320: ModernPrimitive01: I'm sure the fan boys (and girls) will buy up a bunch in the beginning but I don't see the One continuing to sell to the general gaming population. Everyone I know is already talking about how much it sucks due to the online requirement.

I'm pretty sure you havent been reading the news too often.  That's not a requirement anymore.  They backpedaled the shiat out of that and the used games thing.


But they haven't backed out of the "always on" camera/kinnect, if I am not mistaken. That was another bone of contention.

/please correct me if I am mistaken.
 
2013-08-20 02:10:27 PM

Odd Bird: My PS2 and I would like you to take your adolescent nerd-rage to another patch of grass.


That's nice my Atari ST and SNES will tag team your PS2 if it doesn't get its ass on the pavement.
 
2013-08-20 02:14:03 PM

Ambivalence: sethen320: ModernPrimitive01: I'm sure the fan boys (and girls) will buy up a bunch in the beginning but I don't see the One continuing to sell to the general gaming population. Everyone I know is already talking about how much it sucks due to the online requirement.

I'm pretty sure you havent been reading the news too often.  That's not a requirement anymore.  They backpedaled the shiat out of that and the used games thing.

But they haven't backed out of the "always on" camera/kinnect, if I am not mistaken. That was another bone of contention.

/please correct me if I am mistaken.


I think they actually have reversed course on the "always have to have the kinnect connected" thing. So now you don't have to have the kinnect, but you do have to pay for it.

/but I could be mistaken as well
 
2013-08-20 02:16:26 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: The fact that Sony has adopted a standard architecture is a good sign. A big chunk of the PS3s problems can be directly traced to the fact that they went with a cell microprocessor.


Not so much it's PPC like the 360.  The major problem was and continues to be that whilst they have the same amount of RAM in them the 360 can dynamically (at the very least per game) reallocate it towards the CPU or GPU.  The PS3 is stuck with a hard-wired 50/50 split, which is fine if you've got 'large' maps and average graphics or need a lot of variables juggles but... not so much when you're trying to get something graphically intensive to run.

It also tends to have the more psychotic hypervisor and the GPU itself is a mess by all accounts but the processor itself isn't that much of an issue compared to the rest.
 
2013-08-20 02:17:44 PM
fawlty: concerns me as well. Did MS learn its lesson with the original 360 RRoD?

I submitted this a few days ago, but redlit.

Fark Headline: "XBone knows when it's overheating, so instead of dying from overexertion, it will take a quick nap"

Article: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57598450-75/xbox-one-knows-when-its - overheating-adjusts-accordingly/
 
2013-08-20 02:18:29 PM

fawlty: It's a tough pill to swallow, no doubt.


I sort of get this and I sort of don't. I mean $100 is $100 and all and I try not to throw it away. But at damn near 50 and being fortunate enough to be constantly employed in a dual income no-kid family... it's kind of an insignificant amount of money when you consider how much money one is likely to spend on gaming overall after throwing in all the services, games, peripherals and accessories. It's certainly a small enough amount of money that it seems like one would just buy the console they thought would have the most games they liked or favorite online service. That's how it seems to me anyway. Are there people who buy their second favorite car because one is 22k and the other 23k? I suppose there are.
 
2013-08-20 02:18:52 PM
I can't wait to check out the new Xbone exclusive sim, Console Tycoon, where you run your company into the ground by pissing off your customers and charging $100 more than the competition's superior, or at the very least equivalent, system.  You can simulate burning money and the Kinnect will pick up on it.
 
2013-08-20 02:20:04 PM

lordargent: fawlty: concerns me as well. Did MS learn its lesson with the original 360 RRoD?

I submitted this a few days ago, but redlit.

Fark Headline: "XBone knows when it's overheating, so instead of dying from overexertion, it will take a quick nap"

Article: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57598450-75/xbox-one-knows-when-its - overheating-adjusts-accordingly/


I foresee large numbers of 'it turned itself off' complaints.  Probably bad batches of sensors cropping up and so on along the XBone's life cycle.
 
2013-08-20 02:20:33 PM

Ambivalence: But they haven't backed out of the "always on" camera/kinnect, if I am not mistaken. That was another bone of contention.


http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/12/xbox-one-no-longer-requires-k in ect-to-function

Yeah, they backed off that one as well.
 
2013-08-20 02:25:09 PM

Vaneshi: Odd Bird: My PS2 and I would like you to take your adolescent nerd-rage to another patch of grass.

That's nice my Atari ST and SNES will tag team your PS2 if it doesn't get its ass on the pavement.


My Atari 2600 and TI-99/4A will be over here watching your childish shenanigans.

/probably while stoned.
 
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2013-08-20 02:26:21 PM

Vaneshi: Some 'Splainin' To Do: The fact that Sony has adopted a standard architecture is a good sign. A big chunk of the PS3s problems can be directly traced to the fact that they went with a cell microprocessor.

Not so much it's PPC like the 360.  The major problem was and continues to be that whilst they have the same amount of RAM in them the 360 can dynamically (at the very least per game) reallocate it towards the CPU or GPU.  The PS3 is stuck with a hard-wired 50/50 split, which is fine if you've got 'large' maps and average graphics or need a lot of variables juggles but... not so much when you're trying to get something graphically intensive to run.

It also tends to have the more psychotic hypervisor and the GPU itself is a mess by all accounts but the processor itself isn't that much of an issue compared to the rest.


360 is SMP, PS3 is AMP. It's hard enough finding good SMP programmers.
 
2013-08-20 02:27:07 PM
My 360 died on me for the second time a few years ago.  I recently got back into gaming and picked up a PS3.  Really glad I did.

There's no way I can go back to Microsoft, and it has very little to do with their sociopathic business practices.  They just don't bring the types of exclusives I like to their systems.  Halo and Gears are good enough for what they are, but I'm tired of just shooting at things.  I've played games for too long; i need something new.   Microsoft has made the COD crowd their target audience.  That's just not me.

Also, only PS4 will have The Last of Us 2, and really, that's all I need to make up my mind.  God, that game...
 
2013-08-20 02:27:25 PM

Vaneshi: Odd Bird: My PS2 and I would like you to take your adolescent nerd-rage to another patch of grass.

That's nice my Atari ST and SNES will tag team your PS2 if it doesn't get its ass on the pavement.


"Hey Dad!  Remember that Pong game we put in your WWI footlocker?  Get 'er out, we got us a smack-talker outside."

/well-played, Van
 
2013-08-20 02:28:39 PM

JohnBigBootay: Yeah, they backed off that one as well.


So you're pretty much left with this: both systems have the same arch, they have roughly similar capabilities (with the PS4 slightly ahead in theory) and specifications, they both even look similar.  One comes with a dongle nobody REALLY wants and adds £100 to the RRP.

Why would you buy the more expensive one, especially as that's the one with the theoretically weaker capabilities?
 
2013-08-20 02:29:18 PM

JohnBigBootay: I sort of get this and I sort of don't. I mean $100 is $100 and all and I try not to throw it away. But at damn near 50 and being fortunate enough to be constantly employed in a dual income no-kid family... it's kind of an insignificant amount of money when you consider how much money one is likely to spend on gaming overall after throwing in all the services, games, peripherals and accessories. It's certainly a small enough amount of money that it seems like one would just buy the console they thought would have the most games they liked or favorite online service. That's how it seems to me anyway. Are there people who buy their second favorite car because one is 22k and the other 23k? I suppose there are.


I am 50 and could spring for the extra $100 if necessary.  But for me, it's $200 because my son and I both play and I generally have to buy 2 of everything. It's 20% of the total cost invested in an item that I don't see adding any value to me.  So yeah, it only $100 (or $200), but I don't get anything for that $100.  Scrape it off and we got a deal.  And a proper car comparison would be paying 27.5k instead of 22k for features that you don't want and don't believe you will ever use.  That's the issue.
 
2013-08-20 02:29:24 PM
Funny thing is I see all these people saying how overpriced the One is yet the PS3 was $600 at launch.  They were going to include the Eye in the PS4 and sell it for $500 but after they saw the bad reaction when MS released their price tag they changed it at the last minute.  Yet the PS3 still successful, despite the drawbacks, like the cell processor which was apparently a biatch to code on, terrible SDK's from Sony, Valve saying they would never release a game on the PS3 (or just Gabe, but he's a douche IMO).  So ten years ago, $600 not to much, this year $500 is to expensive but $400 is fine.  When you look at the life of a console, games bought, services, in the end how much is that $100 (or one game and $30) really going to be the deciding factor?  I doubt it as I think both will be near impossible to get around Christmas, could be wrong but just my gut feeling.
 
2013-08-20 02:31:28 PM

error 303: I'll buy one once The Elder Scrolls Online comes out. Give me enough time to run through my remaining 360 library and hopefully avoid any problems in the initial hardware run.


Compared to what $400 (or less) will buy you in video cards, you might want to think about running the Elder Scrolls Online on PC.  I feel sorry for the [one] Skyrim fan I know who plays on PS3 (she's a mac user), but I don't expect that MMOs will ever include the mods that I expect with Elder Scrolls games.

Join the master race, it's easier each generation.
 
2013-08-20 02:34:03 PM
Too expensive for me.   I am not sure what defines a "hardcore gamer" but it would appear in part to be someone willing to spend more money on a console than I am.
 
2013-08-20 02:35:06 PM
assassin's creed IV looks pretty awesome. glad it's coming out for the 360.
 
2013-08-20 02:35:20 PM
November 15th for the PS4.

I will be camping out.
 
2013-08-20 02:36:34 PM

rpm: 360 is SMP, PS3 is AMP. It's hard enough finding good SMP programmers.


I have to ponder how much that matters, most of the multi-format releases seem to only really make use of 1 core when they land on the PC (that was GTA4's main issue for the longest time).   Which does make sense; the more game logic you've got running the more RAM you'd need and on a 360 that'd mean taking it away from the GPU.   Although I do admit that could just be an oddity of the porting process.

But everything I've read about the PS3 likens it to the Saturn from the top on down; a total sod to develop for any which way you attack it.

I do agree that programmers who are good SMP are very thin on the ground and tend to carry a premium as they'll be beating on large corporate stuff for the most part.  It's a little more complex than calling fork() until the CPU cries after all.
 
2013-08-20 02:37:26 PM

diggumsmax: Funny thing is I see all these people saying how overpriced the One is yet the PS3 was $600 at launch.


I couldn't care less about the last generation.  I went with a 360 then, but M$ has changed considerably since that time.  Bill Gates was still working full time at M$ when the 360 was developed, and M$ still had a decent if not perfect reputation for quality and innovation.

After Windows Vista, 8, and the Surface RT, the Xbone is going to be a disaster, and I'm not wasting money on a system that nobody will be using a year or two from now.
 
2013-08-20 02:40:20 PM
I'm going to wait until at least the spring of 2014 to decide which one to get.  Let the bugs sort themselves out.
 
2013-08-20 02:41:24 PM
Gergesa: Too expensive for me. I am not sure what defines a "hardcore gamer" but it would appear in part to be someone willing to spend more money on a console than I am.

Anyone who isn't living paycheck to paycheck has at least one expensive hobby.

Some of us have several.

// gaming looks damned cheap ... compared to what I've spent on camera gear :D

// and photography looks cheap, compared to dudes with big trucks and sand rails.
 
2013-08-20 02:43:12 PM

Odd Bird: Vaneshi: Odd Bird: My PS2 and I would like you to take your adolescent nerd-rage to another patch of grass.

That's nice my Atari ST and SNES will tag team your PS2 if it doesn't get its ass on the pavement.

"Hey Dad!  Remember that Pong game we put in your WWI footlocker?  Get 'er out, we got us a smack-talker outside."

/well-played, Van


My oscilloscope would like a word with you...
 
2013-08-20 02:44:44 PM

Odd Bird: Baelz: My Xbox360 says fark off and get off my lawn!

My PS2 and I would like you to take your adolescent nerd-rage to another patch of grass.


My segacd tells you grass hasnt evolved yet...

/atari died last year.
 
2013-08-20 02:44:45 PM

imontheinternet: After Windows Vista, 8, and the Surface RT, the Xbone is going to be a disaster, and I'm not wasting money on a system that nobody will be using a year or two from now.


See, you had to go and bring all that up just when I was riding my fence!  Now what am I supposed to do?

Seriously, I doubt that "nobody will be using" the Xbone a year or two from now.  MS may or may not win the console war, but the 360 won this round and there are plenty people using the PS3 just the same.  There will be a market.  MS just isn't helping people like me to get off the fence and commit to them now.
 
2013-08-20 02:45:29 PM

yet_another_wumpus: error 303: I'll buy one once The Elder Scrolls Online comes out. Give me enough time to run through my remaining 360 library and hopefully avoid any problems in the initial hardware run.

Compared to what $400 (or less) will buy you in video cards, you might want to think about running the Elder Scrolls Online on PC.  I feel sorry for the [one] Skyrim fan I know who plays on PS3 (she's a mac user), but I don't expect that MMOs will ever include the mods that I expect with Elder Scrolls games.

Join the master race, it's easier each generation.


I used to be a huge PC gamer, but for whatever reason, once I had kids, it was just easier to game in my living room on a console. I'm gonna be carpeting my basement this weekend and hopefully throwing a decent TV down there in my office nook, was planning on running a cable from my PC to the TV, getting a wireless game pad, and seeing if I can get back into it.

I do really think Xbox Live has gotten to be a great entertainment hub though, and it probably the only difference I see at this point between the XB1 and PS4.

Well, I am one of those few people who actually enjoys the Kinect as well, as do the childrenspawn...
 
2013-08-20 02:45:35 PM

Vaneshi: Why would you buy the more expensive one, especially as that's the one with the theoretically weaker capabilities?


Fair enough. The answer for me coming from not having had a console before is that I really liked the tv shiat at the demo. The reason I bought it was for the other stuff, not the gaming part. Hopefully I will enjoy a game or two as well and I'm sure the kids who visit will enjoy some games.
 
2013-08-20 02:47:25 PM

listernine: Odd Bird: Vaneshi: Odd Bird: My PS2 and I would like you to take your adolescent nerd-rage to another patch of grass.

That's nice my Atari ST and SNES will tag team your PS2 if it doesn't get its ass on the pavement.

"Hey Dad!  Remember that Pong game we put in your WWI footlocker?  Get 'er out, we got us a smack-talker outside."

/well-played, Van

My oscilloscope would like a word with you...


Off to try and con granpa out of his abbacus.

/hangs head in shame
 
2013-08-20 02:48:34 PM

DORMAMU: Odd Bird: Baelz: My Xbox360 says fark off and get off my lawn!

My PS2 and I would like you to take your adolescent nerd-rage to another patch of grass.

My segacd tells you grass hasnt evolved yet...

/atari died last year.


I play asteroids on my oscilloscope just like in the old days.  You kids are spoiled.
 
2013-08-20 02:51:31 PM

lordargent: Anyone who isn't living paycheck to paycheck has at least one expensive hobby.

Some of us have several.


My expensive hobby is Faberge eggs.
 
2013-08-20 02:52:20 PM
Looks like the PS4 is releasing on November 15 in North America.
 
2013-08-20 02:53:45 PM

RexTalionis: Looks like the PS4 is releasing on November 15 in North America.


That would be correct.

Now I know what day I'm taking off.
 
2013-08-20 02:54:58 PM
Dead Rising 3 looks real good...not 500 dollars good though.
 
2013-08-20 02:55:16 PM

DORMAMU: Odd Bird: Baelz: My Xbox360 says fark off and get off my lawn!

My PS2 and I would like you to take your adolescent nerd-rage to another patch of grass.

My segacd tells you grass hasnt evolved yet...

/atari died last year.


My Sega Master System proudly stands by while you can't specifically remember any games, but you vaguely recall that it had a cartridge slot and a card slot.
 
2013-08-20 02:58:09 PM

ampoliros: Never Buy a Console at Launch

 
2013-08-20 03:00:39 PM
Orgasmatron138: My Sega Master System proudly stands by while you can't specifically remember any games

Out Run
Alex Kidd in miracle world
Road Rash
Phantasy Star
Paperboy

// had a NES, so five is all I can do
 
2013-08-20 03:02:20 PM

LazarusLong42: Vaneshi: Odd Bird: My PS2 and I would like you to take your adolescent nerd-rage to another patch of grass.

That's nice my Atari ST and SNES will tag team your PS2 if it doesn't get its ass on the pavement.

My Atari 2600 and TI-99/4A will be over here watching your childish shenanigans.

/probably while stoned.


My slide rule and I nod diapprovingly at you.
 
2013-08-20 03:04:17 PM

a flock of birds: My 360 died on me for the second time a few years ago.  I recently got back into gaming and picked up a PS3.  Really glad I did.

There's no way I can go back to Microsoft, and it has very little to do with their sociopathic business practices.  They just don't bring the types of exclusives I like to their systems.  Halo and Gears are good enough for what they are, but I'm tired of just shooting at things.  I've played games for too long; i need something new.   Microsoft has made the COD crowd their target audience.  That's just not me.

Also, only PS4 will have The Last of Us 2, and really, that's all I need to make up my mind.  God, that game...



You know you've fallen far when your business practices are "sociopathic" when compared to Sony.
 
2013-08-20 03:04:34 PM

diggumsmax: Funny thing is I see all these people saying how overpriced the One is yet the PS3 was $600 at launch.  They were going to include the Eye in the PS4 and sell it for $500 but after they saw the bad reaction when MS released their price tag they changed it at the last minute.  Yet the PS3 still successful, despite the drawbacks, like the cell processor which was apparently a biatch to code on, terrible SDK's from Sony, Valve saying they would never release a game on the PS3 (or just Gabe, but he's a douche IMO).  So ten years ago, $600 not to much, this year $500 is to expensive but $400 is fine.  When you look at the life of a console, games bought, services, in the end how much is that $100 (or one game and $30) really going to be the deciding factor?  I doubt it as I think both will be near impossible to get around Christmas, could be wrong but just my gut feeling.


The PS3 was expensive and they lagged behind in sales of console at and immediately following launch. In Q4 of '06, Xbox shipped 4.4 million Xbox 360s, whereas the PS3 sold 1.7. It evened out in subsequent quarters, but it took until this year or last year for PS3 to catch up to XBox's lifetime sales numbers.

Incidentally, $100 bucks is a lot. For $100 bucks, you can almost buy 2 games, or a game and a controller. Sure, it's probably all going to equal out eventually, but at launch, $100 bucks can mean an extra 2 games per console. In the end, it's the software that Sony and Microsoft make money on, not the hardware.
 
2013-08-20 03:05:32 PM

sethen320: LazarusLong42: Vaneshi: Odd Bird: My PS2 and I would like you to take your adolescent nerd-rage to another patch of grass.

That's nice my Atari ST and SNES will tag team your PS2 if it doesn't get its ass on the pavement.

My Atari 2600 and TI-99/4A will be over here watching your childish shenanigans.

/probably while stoned.

My slide rule and I nod diapprovingly at you.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-20 03:06:11 PM

lordargent: Orgasmatron138: My Sega Master System proudly stands by while you can't specifically remember any games

Out Run
Alex Kidd in miracle world
Road Rash
Phantasy Star
Paperboy

// had a NES, so five is all I can do


Black Belt
Rambo: First Blood Part II
Choplifter
F-16 Fighting Falcon
Pro Wrestling

They also had a maze game you could play if you did not put a cartridge into the console. That was kinda cool, too.
 
2013-08-20 03:06:34 PM
By the time my current 360 dies, the major bugs will have been worked out and the price will have come down.

Besides, I pretty much blew my gaming budget for at least the next six months at Gencon anyways.
 
2013-08-20 03:07:01 PM

fawlty: imontheinternet: After Windows Vista, 8, and the Surface RT, the Xbone is going to be a disaster, and I'm not wasting money on a system that nobody will be using a year or two from now.

See, you had to go and bring all that up just when I was riding my fence!  Now what am I supposed to do?

Seriously, I doubt that "nobody will be using" the Xbone a year or two from now.  MS may or may not win the console war, but the 360 won this round and there are plenty people using the PS3 just the same.  There will be a market.  MS just isn't helping people like me to get off the fence and commit to them now.


IIRC, the 360 sold well in the US and the PS3 sold well in Japan and the rest of the world, giving the two systems roughly the same numbers.  With the anger toward M$, a lot of its base will be switching and as people find that their friends are on the PS4, they'll go along and switch as well.  It's the myspace/Facebook effect.  There will still be a network and still be people around, but it will be noticeably inferior.

We'll see how it goes, but I think a bet against the Xbone is a pretty safe one at this point.
 
2013-08-20 03:09:14 PM

listernine: Odd Bird: Vaneshi: Odd Bird: My PS2 and I would like you to take your adolescent nerd-rage to another patch of grass.

That's nice my Atari ST and SNES will tag team your PS2 if it doesn't get its ass on the pavement.

"Hey Dad!  Remember that Pong game we put in your WWI footlocker?  Get 'er out, we got us a smack-talker outside."

/well-played, Van

My oscilloscope would like a word with you...


Orgasmatron138: DORMAMU: Odd Bird: Baelz: My Xbox360 says fark off and get off my lawn!

My PS2 and I would like you to take your adolescent nerd-rage to another patch of grass.

My segacd tells you grass hasnt evolved yet...

/atari died last year.

My Sega Master System proudly stands by while you can't specifically remember any games, but you vaguely recall that it had a cartridge slot and a card slot.


My favorites are Choplifter and Ghostbusters.
 
2013-08-20 03:11:55 PM
I'll prolly get it, but not till fall of 2014. My 360 still rules the house in terms of consoles, and it isn't being replaced anytime soon (especially since MS gives two free games per month, its life expectancy just increased by a decent factor).

Dead Rising 3 makes me want to reconsider, though.....
 
2013-08-20 03:17:22 PM

RoxtarRyan: I'll prolly get it, but not till fall of 2014. My 360 still rules the house in terms of consoles, and it isn't being replaced anytime soon (especially since MS gives two free games per month, its life expectancy just increased by a decent factor).

Dead Rising 3 makes me want to reconsider, though.....


Are the free games on Xbox live owned outright?  Do the PS+ ones rotate out?
I should download Dead Rising Patient Zero.
 
2013-08-20 03:17:32 PM
Honest no fark given whatsoever in any of their exclusives.
 
2013-08-20 03:18:25 PM

listernine: My oscilloscope would like a word with you...


Tennis-for-two?  Don't mind if I do.
 
2013-08-20 03:19:25 PM
Dead Rising 3 is about the only thing making me want to get the Xbox One, I will be waiting at least a year if not more as a lot of games are coming out for 360 that are coming out on the one.  I will wait, but this trailer is awesome (Yes, its CGI, but Dead Rising was one of my favorite games)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZEn3QIzQcFA"> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZEn3QIzQcFA
 
2013-08-20 03:23:54 PM
I have pre-orders for launch editions of each console.  I've had no issues with my Xbox 360's (old one and a slim) and peripherals (4 sets of rechargeable batteries have yet to fail) but I'm leaning more and more towards the PS4 because I don't want or need the Kinect and don't feel like spending $200 (two systems) for a peripheral I don't want.
 
2013-08-20 03:24:16 PM

diggumsmax: They were going to include the Eye in the PS4 and sell it for $500 but after they saw the bad reaction when MS released their price tag they changed it at the last minute.


Since the retail cost of the PS4 and PS4 Camera don't equal $500 what in the world makes you think that they were going to cost that when bundled.
 
2013-08-20 03:25:06 PM
Anyone here have a Vita? I never was interested in one before but I like the idea of boarderlands 2 on it and the game with the upside head looked interesting.
 
2013-08-20 03:25:47 PM

Nefarious: Are the free games on Xbox live owned outright?  Do the PS+ ones rotate out?
I should download Dead Rising Patient Zero.


From listening to podcasts it seems they remain 'yours' for as long as you remain subscribed.   I've yet to hear of what happens if you bounce the subscription for a month or two; you might get all the prior ones back... you might not.
 
2013-08-20 03:32:20 PM
I ended up with a 360 by accident.  I wanted a PS3, mostly because I preferred the Sony-only titles that they produced (well, outside of the PC).  So, I ordered this PS3 from some twit on eBay.  Barely used!  But, they live in Alaska, and apparently only went to the Post Office once a week.  After two weeks of that ol' bait and switch, I went to Gamestop to buy a preowned PS3.  They didn't have any!  So, I ended up getting a new 360 with Kinect, mostly because I figured the kids would play with it.

Then I discovered that the Kinect system is shiatty, and all but one (Happy Action Theatre) are shiatty, too.  Even my kids, who can be forgiving about crappy games, can't stand the Kinect.

We now have a Wii U.  Even so, the most frequently used system outside of the PC for all of us is the 3DS.

\love Fire Emblem
\\damn you, Donnel!
 
2013-08-20 03:32:38 PM
lordargent

So many sequels, seems fairly lackluster.

Or are being released on 360 and re-released for One.
 
2013-08-20 03:35:58 PM

Vaneshi: Some 'Splainin' To Do: The fact that Sony has adopted a standard architecture is a good sign. A big chunk of the PS3s problems can be directly traced to the fact that they went with a cell microprocessor.

Not so much it's PPC like the 360.  The major problem was and continues to be that whilst they have the same amount of RAM in them the 360 can dynamically (at the very least per game) reallocate it towards the CPU or GPU.  The PS3 is stuck with a hard-wired 50/50 split, which is fine if you've got 'large' maps and average graphics or need a lot of variables juggles but... not so much when you're trying to get something graphically intensive to run.

It also tends to have the more psychotic hypervisor and the GPU itself is a mess by all accounts but the processor itself isn't that much of an issue compared to the rest.


the cell was not worth exploiting anyways as nothing on the market behaves in any way like it, you could do specialty programming but not even sony got anything out of that in the long run, i mean all of their 1st party games would've been just as great on a different architecture - the cell was never vindicated in the end, and it didn't help that the cell design that ended up in the ps3 was a dumbed down version of what they were aiming for in the first place

of course, the ps4 and xbone have the same cpu's this time around, too bad they're both dumbed down but hey what console games have ever been cpu intensive?
 
2013-08-20 03:37:20 PM
And not a single game that I care about in the slightest.
 
2013-08-20 03:42:01 PM
Random Anonymous Blackmail: Or are being released on 360 and re-released for One.

Ahh, is that what all of the 'free game upgrade' mumbo jumbo was about.

Meh.
 
2013-08-20 03:43:44 PM

HawgWild: lordargent: Orgasmatron138: My Sega Master System proudly stands by while you can't specifically remember any games

Out Run
Alex Kidd in miracle world
Road Rash
Phantasy Star
Paperboy

// had a NES, so five is all I can do

Black Belt
Rambo: First Blood Part II
Choplifter
F-16 Fighting Falcon
Pro Wrestling

They also had a maze game you could play if you did not put a cartridge into the console. That was kinda cool, too.



I had, in addition to some of the above:

Space Harrier
The Ninja
Gangster Town (really good light gun game)
After Burner
Alien Syndrome
Fantasy Zone
My Hero
 
2013-08-20 03:44:27 PM

JohnBigBootay: Ambivalence: But they haven't backed out of the "always on" camera/kinnect, if I am not mistaken. That was another bone of contention.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/12/xbox-one-no-longer-requires-k in ect-to-function

Yeah, they backed off that one as well.


They are turning it into an attractive console. All they need to do is sell a Kinectless bundle for the same price and PS4.
 
2013-08-20 03:44:50 PM

lordargent: Random Anonymous Blackmail: Or are being released on 360 and re-released for One.

Ahh, is that what all of the 'free game upgrade' mumbo jumbo was about.

Meh.


You don't believe in all of this "free game" mumbo jumbo do you?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-20 03:45:03 PM

diggumsmax: Funny thing is I see all these people saying how overpriced the One is yet the PS3 was $600 at launch.  They were going to include the Eye in the PS4 and sell it for $500 but after they saw the bad reaction when MS released their price tag they changed it at the last minute.  Yet the PS3 still successful, despite the drawbacks, like the cell processor which was apparently a biatch to code on, terrible SDK's from Sony, Valve saying they would never release a game on the PS3 (or just Gabe, but he's a douche IMO).  So ten years ago, $600 not to much, this year $500 is to expensive but $400 is fine.  When you look at the life of a console, games bought, services, in the end how much is that $100 (or one game and $30) really going to be the deciding factor?  I doubt it as I think both will be near impossible to get around Christmas, could be wrong but just my gut feeling.


The PS3 didn't really take off until they lowered the price to $250, and by then the system had built up a nice library of games.
 
2013-08-20 03:45:08 PM
I've been playing a few different games lately, and it occurs to me that most of what gets advertised isn't for me. I've been loving the multiplayer Payday 2, aside from the funny parts of it, it has good multiplayer action, short missions that allow for bathroom breaks or whatever, and a good sense of teamwork. I've also been playing star-made... building my own carrier, which was a total flop when I got gang-raped by pirates, and now building a gunboat (f you, pirates!). The games that seem to get other people excited are sequels that are not substantially different than their predecessors (Payday 2 is a sequel, but they improved game mechanics, maps, variety of missions, and other key features). Basically... they say CoD, NOW WITH MORE POLYGONS!!! IDGAF about more polygons, give me a better storyline, give me some creativity, make me actually think, not just button mash, and you'll get my money. Give me COD 84, with it's standard set of shoot on through, then a pretty rail mission (maybe they should make it on a train instead of a plane or a boat, so it's an actual rail mission), and you'll get a little scorn, but no money.

Give me another release as bad as SimCity and you'll get a swift kick to the nuts.
 
2013-08-20 03:48:11 PM
It's funny that Microsoft has reversed its position on nearly every "feature" of the XBone when they announced it. It makes you wonder if they have any market research staff at all.
 
2013-08-20 03:51:39 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: It's funny that Microsoft has reversed its position on nearly every "feature" of the XBone when they announced it. It makes you wonder if they have any market research staff at all.


I think it's more of the emperor has no clothes syndrome.  Upper mgmt was convinced that these were features that the users wanted and would accept, and the lower-level drones (market research staff) simply reinforced that outlook.
 
2013-08-20 03:52:33 PM
How many are exclusives?

*clicks link*

That's what, 6 or 7?
 
2013-08-20 03:52:41 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: It's funny that Microsoft has reversed its position on nearly every "feature" of the XBone when they announced it. It makes you wonder if they have any market research staff at all.


Give the people want they want and they'll buy it. Tell the people what they should want and they'll give you the finger and buy from your competitor.
 
2013-08-20 03:54:33 PM
Nefarious:

Are the free games on Xbox live owned outright?

Yes

Do the PS+ ones rotate out?

Believe so

I should download Dead Rising Patient Zero.

people say it's great, but I wouldn't know because I'm so farking sick and tired of zombie-themed video games

/downloaded it anyway 'cause it's free
 
2013-08-20 03:56:02 PM

a flock of birds: My 360 died on me for the second time a few years ago.  I recently got back into gaming and picked up a PS3.  Really glad I did.

There's no way I can go back to Microsoft, and it has very little to do with their sociopathic business practices.  They just don't bring the types of exclusives I like to their systems.  Halo and Gears are good enough for what they are, but I'm tired of just shooting at things.  I've played games for too long; i need something new.   Microsoft has made the COD crowd their target audience.  That's just not me.

Also, only PS4 will have The Last of Us 2, and really, that's all I need to make up my mind.  God, that game...


I just hit 105 (actually 110) survivors in my camp last night, so I'm getting a kick out of some of these replies...
 
2013-08-20 03:59:46 PM

Nefarious: Are the free games on Xbox live owned outright?


Owned and yours. Even when there is a new game offered, as long as you download the game, it is seen as a "purchase" costing $0.00, so if you get another 360 console, you can re-download the game again.
 
2013-08-20 04:00:49 PM

Flappyhead: That's what, 6 or 7?


For release titles, that is as many as the PS3 has in its lifespan.
 
2013-08-20 04:01:51 PM

RoxtarRyan: Owned and yours.


No such thing in the software game, generally.
 
2013-08-20 04:03:52 PM

RexTalionis: RoxtarRyan: Owned and yours.

No such thing in the software game, generally.


Needless to say, of course.
 
2013-08-20 04:04:03 PM
I have always hated Killer Instinct's juggle-mania gameplay, but that looks like the only interesting game here. I thought Titanfall was coming out as a launch title, but either I missed it on the list or I was wrong.
 
2013-08-20 04:06:47 PM

diggumsmax: Funny thing is I see all these people saying how overpriced the One is yet the PS3 was $600 at launch.  They were going to include the Eye in the PS4 and sell it for $500 but after they saw the bad reaction when MS released their price tag they changed it at the last minute.  Yet the PS3 still successful, despite the drawbacks, like the cell processor which was apparently a biatch to code on, terrible SDK's from Sony, Valve saying they would never release a game on the PS3 (or just Gabe, but he's a douche IMO).  So ten years ago, $600 not to much, this year $500 is to expensive but $400 is fine.  When you look at the life of a console, games bought, services, in the end how much is that $100 (or one game and $30) really going to be the deciding factor?  I doubt it as I think both will be near impossible to get around Christmas, could be wrong but just my gut feeling.


People hated the 599 price, and it's still the subject of mocking memes eight years later.  Sony didn't see a major sales boom till it hit 299 or so.  That was the sweets pot that got the casuals to buy in.

As for the xbox launch lineup?  about what I expected.  It's a good lineup historically, with many 'safe' titles in franchises you already know.
 
2013-08-20 04:06:59 PM
Meh, my Amiga 500 still rocks.
 
2013-08-20 04:09:13 PM

RoxtarRyan: Flappyhead: That's what, 6 or 7?

For release titles, that is as many as the PS3 has in its lifespan.


3D Dot Game Heroes
Demon's Souls
Dragon's Crown
God of War III
God of War Ascention
Gran Turismo 5
Heavenly Sword
heavy Rain
Infamous
Infamous 2
Journey
Katamari Forever
LittleBigPlanet
LittleBigPlanet 2
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of Patriots
ModNation Racers
MotorStorm
Ni no Kuni
PixelJunk Racers
5 Ratchet and Clank games.
3 Resistence games.
Socom 4: US Navy Seals
Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
Tales of Xilia
The Last of Us
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Uncharted 2: Among thieves
Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
Valkyria Chronicles
Warhawk
White Knight Chronicals
4 Yakuza games.

And that's just the really well-known ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_exclusives_%28sevent h_ generation%29
 
2013-08-20 04:11:24 PM

RoxtarRyan: For release titles, that is as many as the PS3 has in its lifespan.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_exclusives_(seventh_ ge neration)

Under their criteria, 139 for PS3, 153 for X360 could only be played on those systems.
 
2013-08-20 04:11:46 PM

Carth: Anyone here have a Vita? I never was interested in one before but I like the idea of boarderlands 2 on it and the game with the upside head looked interesting.


The vita is...interesting.  Hardware wise, it's very, very solid.  Publishers in the west don't seem to like it though, outside Ubisoft and a few others.  Indies absolutely adore it, as do many Japanese devs from the smaller companies, like Arksys or atlas.

If you have psplus, it's a pretty good buy, save for the memory cards.  Games seem to drop in price pretty quick, and there is always a few free plus games you can play on it.

It's just...damn those cards.  If not for that it could have been a solid hit.  If you buy it as a ps4 companion that plays tons of games from smaller publishers, it's fantastic.  Else, just go get a iphone or 3ds.
 
2013-08-20 04:12:09 PM
Damnit, 2 minutes while I counted.
 
2013-08-20 04:12:15 PM

Smelly McUgly: I have always hated Killer Instinct's juggle-mania gameplay, but that looks like the only interesting game here. I thought Titanfall was coming out as a launch title, but either I missed it on the list or I was wrong.


I really hate how they are releasing KI. $5 per character or you can buy "bundles" of them.
 
2013-08-20 04:12:36 PM
I have a 360 but not a PS3, though lately I've been thinking about picking up the latter, mostly for Last of Us, but also for a few other games.  I figure the smart thing to do is wait a year for the price to go way down and pick up it and all the games I want for cheap.  I wish they would put out Gundam games on the xbox, and I guess while I'm daydreaming, I wish they'd release them in the United States too.

I won't be buying Xbox One at launch, although I'm certain I will buy one at some point.  My buddies and I all play BF3 (and previously Reach) on the 360, and as a group we've collectively decided to stick with the 360 for BF4.  I was also lucky enough to never have a 360 red ring on me, but I didn't buy one until Halo 3 was released.
 
2013-08-20 04:13:31 PM

Antimatter: Carth: Anyone here have a Vita? I never was interested in one before but I like the idea of boarderlands 2 on it and the game with the upside head looked interesting.

The vita is...interesting.  Hardware wise, it's very, very solid.  Publishers in the west don't seem to like it though, outside Ubisoft and a few others.  Indies absolutely adore it, as do many Japanese devs from the smaller companies, like Arksys or atlas.

If you have psplus, it's a pretty good buy, save for the memory cards.  Games seem to drop in price pretty quick, and there is always a few free plus games you can play on it.

It's just...damn those cards.  If not for that it could have been a solid hit.  If you buy it as a ps4 companion that plays tons of games from smaller publishers, it's fantastic.  Else, just go get a iphone or 3ds.


With the price drop on the console/memory cards and Borderlands 2/Minecraft it seems like it would be a good handheld to play in bed and on plane rides. I'll look around online a bit more and see what people are saying
 
2013-08-20 04:14:55 PM

Antimatter: The vita is...interesting. Hardware wise, it's very, very solid.


I just want video out so my 39 year old eyes can play the games on a large screen when I am not on the train. The next version will aledgely have it, and there are some supposed work arounds for the current one, but I don't have a Mac.
 
2013-08-20 04:18:02 PM
 

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Tyrone Slothrop: It's funny that Microsoft has reversed its position on nearly every "feature" of the XBone when they announced it. It makes you wonder if they have any market research staff at all.

I think it's more of the emperor has no clothes syndrome.  Upper mgmt was convinced that these were features that the users wanted and would accept, and the lower-level drones (market research staff) simply reinforced that outlook.


Makes you wonder if Sony saw the response to the 'featuers' in the XBone and reversed course before their announcement.
 
2013-08-20 04:18:41 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: It's funny that Microsoft has reversed its position on nearly every "feature" of the XBone when they announced it. It makes you wonder if they have any market research staff at all.


That's the weird thing about all this. You know damn well they spent millions on market research, that's a given. It's nice they were willing to back off of these things after the terrible backlash, my question is how the fark did they NOT know that backlash was coming? It was entirely predictable. To be fair the console gaming crowd was going to be loud and skewed to the negative no matter what came out but given that they were willing to back off one has to question why they just didn't go ahead and do it the way they have ended up doing it from the beginning and save themselves all these expensive to implement late changes?
 
2013-08-20 04:19:22 PM

Carth: With the price drop on the console/memory cards and Borderlands 2/Minecraft it seems like it would be a good handheld to play in bed and on plane rides. I'll look around online a bit more and see what people are saying


What i'm most looking forward to is free Issac int he spring, and the ps4 streaming.

Being able to play ps4 games from work while on lunch/break is awesome.  I can see myself really making use of that.
 
2013-08-20 04:21:15 PM

Antimatter: Being able to play ps4 games from work while on lunch/break is awesome. I can see myself really making use of that.


As I understood it you'll need to be on the same wifi network for the PS4 streaming to work. Is that wrong? So you'd be able to play while on the toilet but not from the office*


*unless you happen to have your ps4 on the network at the office... in which case are you hiring?
 
2013-08-20 04:24:41 PM

JohnBigBootay: That's the weird thing about all this. You know damn well they spent millions on market research, that's a given. It's nice they were willing to back off of these things after the terrible backlash, my question is how the fark did they NOT know that backlash was coming?


My assumption is that Microsoft, like every other tech firm nowadays, doesn't view the millions of people who use its products as their actual customers. No, the users are the product that they were selling to the actual customers, i.e. EA, Ubisoft, and other massive publishers. Those folks wanted DRM in return for increased exclusives, and MS went with what their true customers wanted.
 
2013-08-20 04:25:45 PM

bluenote13: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Tyrone Slothrop: It's funny that Microsoft has reversed its position on nearly every "feature" of the XBone when they announced it. It makes you wonder if they have any market research staff at all.

I think it's more of the emperor has no clothes syndrome.  Upper mgmt was convinced that these were features that the users wanted and would accept, and the lower-level drones (market research staff) simply reinforced that outlook.

Makes you wonder if Sony saw the response to the 'featuers' in the XBone and reversed course before their announcement.


Actually, IIRC, sony's basically said the same things since pre-release as they say now.  It's just a lot of folks thought sony had to be hiding something because of the Xbox rumors and revels.  People didn't like to think that one major console could have them, and the other couldn't.

Honestly, it's not surprising how they handled the ps4:  its the exact same stances as the ps3 and vita.

MS, I think, was enticed byt he idea of being the new appstore/iOS for the living room, and wanted their ultimate home entertainment walled garden.  After all, it seems to work for steam on the PC.  It's just, MS ignored why people accept steam, such as the ultra low prices for sales, and the competition form other digital stores.  And well, Pc and consoles are different markets, and MS failed to take that into account.

As a result, they had to react to sony not trying the same stuff they wanted to do, and in many ways, adopted all of sony stances for things, with a few ms twists.  I'd say the Xbox is much better off for abandoning their DMR stuff.
 
2013-08-20 04:28:02 PM

Carth: Antimatter: Being able to play ps4 games from work while on lunch/break is awesome. I can see myself really making use of that.

As I understood it you'll need to be on the same wifi network for the PS4 streaming to work. Is that wrong? So you'd be able to play while on the toilet but not from the office*


*unless you happen to have your ps4 on the network at the office... in which case are you hiring?


We don't have a ps4 in the family room at work yet, but maybe we can talk the boss into it.

As for playstation remote play?  IT works from anywhere you have wifi.

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/psvita/remoteplay/viainte rn et.html
 
2013-08-20 04:28:29 PM

bluenote13:
Makes you wonder if Sony saw the response to the 'featuers' in the XBone and reversed course before their announcement.

I wonder that as well...I wouldn't put it past Sony to have had similar thoughts and essentially "luck out" by being the second to announce.


JohnBigBootay: Tyrone Slothrop: It's funny that Microsoft has reversed its position on nearly every "feature" of the XBone when they announced it. It makes you wonder if they have any market research staff at all.

That's the weird thing about all this. You know damn well they spent millions on market research, that's a given. It's nice they were willing to back off of these things after the terrible backlash, my question is how the fark did they NOT know that backlash was coming? It was entirely predictable. To be fair the console gaming crowd was going to be loud and skewed to the negative no matter what came out but given that they were willing to back off one has to question why they just didn't go ahead and do it the way they have ended up doing it from the beginning and save themselves all these expensive to implement late changes?


Again, I think these "features" were driven by upper management, so the worker bees skewed the focus group data to help fit the narrative. Maybe they figured it would be a small percentage of consumers, or that it would initially be a big deal and taper off rather quickly.   I don't think they correctly anticipated the amount of negative press coverage they received, nor Sony's PR taking pot-shots at them as well (i.e." This is how you share a game on PS4").
 
2013-08-20 04:29:17 PM

Antimatter: Carth: Anyone here have a Vita? I never was interested in one before but I like the idea of boarderlands 2 on it and the game with the upside head looked interesting.

The vita is...interesting.  Hardware wise, it's very, very solid.  Publishers in the west don't seem to like it though, outside Ubisoft and a few others.  Indies absolutely adore it, as do many Japanese devs from the smaller companies, like Arksys or atlas.

If you have psplus, it's a pretty good buy, save for the memory cards.  Games seem to drop in price pretty quick, and there is always a few free plus games you can play on it.

It's just...damn those cards.  If not for that it could have been a solid hit.  If you buy it as a ps4 companion that plays tons of games from smaller publishers, it's fantastic.  Else, just go get a iphone or 3ds.


What cards?
 
2013-08-20 04:31:43 PM

Antimatter: Carth: Antimatter: Being able to play ps4 games from work while on lunch/break is awesome. I can see myself really making use of that.

As I understood it you'll need to be on the same wifi network for the PS4 streaming to work. Is that wrong? So you'd be able to play while on the toilet but not from the office*


*unless you happen to have your ps4 on the network at the office... in which case are you hiring?

We don't have a ps4 in the family room at work yet, but maybe we can talk the boss into it.

As for playstation remote play?  IT works from anywhere you have wifi.

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/psvita/remoteplay/viainte rn et.html


Thanks for the link. I was confused by the wikipedia page on remote play.
 
2013-08-20 04:32:30 PM

Klivian: oh_please: I honestly think the $499 price tag is gonna be a deal breaker.

All they have to do is un-bundle the Kinnect, and off it at $400 and everything swings back to MS. It will also mean a complete flip-flop on everything that MS said they would not change (always on, no used games).

I was at a training session for work (Six Sigma for those curious, and ye gods was it tedious) and one of the things that got driven home was the idea of value. Value being defined as "something the customer is willing to pay for"

The Kinnect is something that customers don't want, and don't want to have to pay extra for. Improve the value of the One by un-bundling it and you increase how attractive it is. How is it that a megacorp like MS doesn't know basic business?


You sound....brainwashed.
 
2013-08-20 04:32:34 PM

Antimatter: Carth: With the price drop on the console/memory cards and Borderlands 2/Minecraft it seems like it would be a good handheld to play in bed and on plane rides. I'll look around online a bit more and see what people are saying

What i'm most looking forward to is free Issac int he spring, and the ps4 streaming.

Being able to play ps4 games from work while on lunch/break is awesome.  I can see myself really making use of that.


Will it work as good as the psp/ps3 streaming? Cause that was totally useless shiat.
 
2013-08-20 04:33:31 PM

Carth: Smelly McUgly: I have always hated Killer Instinct's juggle-mania gameplay, but that looks like the only interesting game here. I thought Titanfall was coming out as a launch title, but either I missed it on the list or I was wrong.

I really hate how they are releasing KI. $5 per character or you can buy "bundles" of them.


You are kidding, right?

http://www.gamespot.com/events/gamescom-2013/xbox-one-killer-instinc t- characters-will-be-5-each-6413217/

Uh...

So is it just the base game with one fighter for free and then you have to pay for characters, or is the base game like twenty bucks and then you have to buy characters?
 
2013-08-20 04:37:27 PM

Smelly McUgly: Carth: Smelly McUgly: I have always hated Killer Instinct's juggle-mania gameplay, but that looks like the only interesting game here. I thought Titanfall was coming out as a launch title, but either I missed it on the list or I was wrong.

I really hate how they are releasing KI. $5 per character or you can buy "bundles" of them.

You are kidding, right?

http://www.gamespot.com/events/gamescom-2013/xbox-one-killer-instinc t- characters-will-be-5-each-6413217/

Uh...

So is it just the base game with one fighter for free and then you have to pay for characters, or is the base game like twenty bucks and then you have to buy characters?


The base game is free with one character. After that you need to buy characters. There are packages for $20 and $40 but as far as I've heard no way to test characters before you buy them.
 
2013-08-20 04:41:40 PM
My son it not all that pumped about the XBOne.  He was saying this time around, a PS4 may be better.  I told him he as the third option of joining the glorious gaming master race by building a PC we can hook to the TV.  I really don't play on the console that much more anyway, we preferred multiplayer, same screen, RPGs, that we could all play.  With that genre more or less dead, we are having more fun with PCs anyway with things like Torchlight and other games.  He's also started to take a interest in retrogaming, so we are setting up VMs and playing some old stuff.  Works pretty well, all in all.
 
2013-08-20 04:42:27 PM
Smelly McUgly: I have always hated Killer Instinct's juggle-mania

I think you mean combo-mania.
 
2013-08-20 04:42:35 PM
Klivian:
I was at a training session for work (Six Sigma for those curious, and ye gods was it tedious) and one of the things that got driven home was the idea of value. Value being defined as "something the customer is willing to pay for"

Value is an interesting proposition.  I don't remember the case study offhand, but the gist of it was that HP had a PDA they were shopping around in focus groups.  When they priced it on the low end ($199 I believe), the focus groups didn't show much interest in it as they perceived it couldn't be that great of an offering for that price.  They shopped the exact same PDA to more focus groups, but this time with a higher price ($399 I believe) and found that the groups LOVED it.  They perceived it was a great value for the money, because the higher offering price meant that it had to be a great piece of tech.

/Really wish I knew which case study that was, it was a great read
 
2013-08-20 04:44:58 PM

Smelly McUgly: Carth: Smelly McUgly: I have always hated Killer Instinct's juggle-mania gameplay, but that looks like the only interesting game here. I thought Titanfall was coming out as a launch title, but either I missed it on the list or I was wrong.

I really hate how they are releasing KI. $5 per character or you can buy "bundles" of them.

You are kidding, right?

http://www.gamespot.com/events/gamescom-2013/xbox-one-killer-instinc t- characters-will-be-5-each-6413217/

Uh...

So is it just the base game with one fighter for free and then you have to pay for characters, or is the base game like twenty bucks and then you have to buy characters?


It looks like the game itself is free and you can add additional characters for $.  It's different,  it goes beyond just hats but as free to play goes that isn't completely awful if you like the game you "buy it for either 20 or 40"  It isn't a constant outlay free to play game.
 
2013-08-20 04:47:49 PM

sethen320: Antimatter: Carth: Anyone here have a Vita? I never was interested in one before but I like the idea of boarderlands 2 on it and the game with the upside head looked interesting.

The vita is...interesting.  Hardware wise, it's very, very solid.  Publishers in the west don't seem to like it though, outside Ubisoft and a few others.  Indies absolutely adore it, as do many Japanese devs from the smaller companies, like Arksys or atlas.

If you have psplus, it's a pretty good buy, save for the memory cards.  Games seem to drop in price pretty quick, and there is always a few free plus games you can play on it.

It's just...damn those cards.  If not for that it could have been a solid hit.  If you buy it as a ps4 companion that plays tons of games from smaller publishers, it's fantastic.  Else, just go get a iphone or 3ds.

What cards?


The vita uses micro SD liek cards that only work on a vita for mass storage.  They are, frankly, overpriced.
 
2013-08-20 04:51:27 PM
Oh man! I'm so glad I pre-ordered so I can be the first person on my block to play Peggle 2!!!
 
2013-08-20 04:52:28 PM

sethen320: Will it work as good as the psp/ps3 streaming? Cause that was totally useless shiat.


Better.  The vita has faster wireless, the ps4 has custom hardware set aside just for streaming/capture so no performance hit, and sony built the tools for vita remote play into the ps4 SDK, so its really easy for devs to implement, you just chose a control scheme and the sdk does the rest.

Nefarious: It looks like the game itself is free and you can add additional characters for $. It's different, it goes beyond just hats but as free to play goes that isn't completely awful if you like the game you "buy it for either 20 or 40" It isn't a constant outlay free to play game.


Yep.  $20 or $40 for six characters, two more later.  And some costumes.

That's...just wow.  If there was any way to kill the hype for a fighter, it's to announce a anemic roster like that behind a paywall.
 
2013-08-20 04:54:05 PM

oh_please: I honestly think the $499 price tag is gonna be a deal breaker.


Yea for around $800 you can build a pretty decent gaming PC. Which can play the current generation of games and be upgraded piece meal for life.

I'm going to get BF 4 on PC and then wait till a must-play game comes out on xbox or ps4 before thinking about upgrading.
 
2013-08-20 04:54:45 PM

Smelly McUgly: Carth: Smelly McUgly: I have always hated Killer Instinct's juggle-mania gameplay, but that looks like the only interesting game here. I thought Titanfall was coming out as a launch title, but either I missed it on the list or I was wrong.

I really hate how they are releasing KI. $5 per character or you can buy "bundles" of them.

You are kidding, right?

http://www.gamespot.com/events/gamescom-2013/xbox-one-killer-instinc t- characters-will-be-5-each-6413217/

Uh...

So is it just the base game with one fighter for free and then you have to pay for characters, or is the base game like twenty bucks and then you have to buy characters?


Base game is free, each of the six additional fighters is $5.00, or you can get them all for $20.

Basically, it's a fully functional demo and if you want you can pay incrementally for new characters as you go or drop $20 for the full game.
 
2013-08-20 04:54:59 PM

Antimatter: That's...just wow. If there was any way to kill the hype for a fighter, it's to announce a anemic roster like that behind a paywall.


I'd be less annoyed by it if there is a way to test a chacter out against a dummy of some kind. In most fighting games I only use one character anyway.
 
2013-08-20 05:00:12 PM
Sony announced their release window list as well, many of the same third party titles.  15 retail disks in the 'launch window' and 18 PSN games.

Seems that since sony is releasing before some of their third party games, they won't hit day one, but rather, as they would normally release.
 
2013-08-20 05:00:23 PM

lordargent: McGrits: The ability of the ps3 to update it bluray movie playback capability as the medium developed was its true saving grace.

In my case,

I started with a PS2, my flatmate at the time had an xbox, I started buying xbox games. When he moved out, I bought an xbox (so that I could continue to play xbox games).

Then the 360 came out, I waited a few months before buying it (waiting for burnout revenge to be released). Got a bunch of 360 games.

Didn't see anything on the PS3 that I wanted, didn't (and still don't) care about blu-ray, I buy gaming consoles to play games.

// eventually, I bought a launch PS3 from a friend (it was collecting dust in her house) for $200. I played heavy rain, little big planet and uncharted. And now it's collecting dust (until I have time to get/play the last of us))
.
// The hardware is fine, but I hate the UI, I basically hardly turn the thing on.


Yea only thing I played on my PS3 was uncharted, GOW, and Grand Turismo. I kind of like forza better anyway but was trying to justify still having the PS3 at that point. Think I watched 1 or 2 blu-ray movies on it. Oh and also played that game MAG cause I liked the prospects of 128 vs. 128 battles, but now do that with Planetside 2
 
2013-08-20 05:06:11 PM

mizchief: lordargent: McGrits: The ability of the ps3 to update it bluray movie playback capability as the medium developed was its true saving grace.

In my case,

I started with a PS2, my flatmate at the time had an xbox, I started buying xbox games. When he moved out, I bought an xbox (so that I could continue to play xbox games).

Then the 360 came out, I waited a few months before buying it (waiting for burnout revenge to be released). Got a bunch of 360 games.

Didn't see anything on the PS3 that I wanted, didn't (and still don't) care about blu-ray, I buy gaming consoles to play games.

// eventually, I bought a launch PS3 from a friend (it was collecting dust in her house) for $200. I played heavy rain, little big planet and uncharted. And now it's collecting dust (until I have time to get/play the last of us))
.
// The hardware is fine, but I hate the UI, I basically hardly turn the thing on.

Yea only thing I played on my PS3 was uncharted, GOW, and Grand Turismo. I kind of like forza better anyway but was trying to justify still having the PS3 at that point. Think I watched 1 or 2 blu-ray movies on it. Oh and also played that game MAG cause I liked the prospects of 128 vs. 128 battles, but now do that with Planetside 2


You didn't play Last of US? it is probably the best game of this generation and almost worth the $200 price fo a PS3 alone.
 
2013-08-20 05:08:20 PM

wingnut396: My son it not all that pumped about the XBOne.  He was saying this time around, a PS4 may be better.  I told him he as the third option of joining the glorious gaming master race by building a PC we can hook to the TV.  I really don't play on the console that much more anyway, we preferred multiplayer, same screen, RPGs, that we could all play.  With that genre more or less dead, we are having more fun with PCs anyway with things like Torchlight and other games.  He's also started to take a interest in retrogaming, so we are setting up VMs and playing some old stuff.  Works pretty well, all in all.


Yea the only thing that keeps me playing console version vs. PC of some games is playing with friends too cheap/stupid to build a gaming rig and the nice 60' LED and sound system in the living room. I just need a good system for playing mouse & keyboard games in the living room and i'm set.
 
2013-08-20 05:12:29 PM

Carth: You didn't play Last of US? it is probably the best game of this generation and almost worth the $200 price fo a PS3 alone.


I bought it. It sits, unopened, on my rack of games, where it sits with Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinite and a bunch of games that I've bought but never bothered to open yet.
 
2013-08-20 05:13:16 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Again, I think these "features" were driven by upper management,


Cubicle Jockey: My assumption is that Microsoft, like every other tech firm nowadays, doesn't view the millions of people who use its products as their actual customers.


Yeah - I suspect they see their developer 'partners' as their real customers and the game developers see the console makers as their partners and thus what we have is a cabal or purely business interests (not there's anything wrong with that) and no one really looking out for the end user except for the end user. I mean sure, at some point they have to produce product we are willing to pay for but one gets the feeling they view that as a necessary nuisance rather than their goal.
 
2013-08-20 05:14:34 PM
Put down the controller and invest more time in your hobbies.
 
2013-08-20 05:15:41 PM
Carth: You didn't play Last of US?

Weeeeel

I finished a hardcore playthrough of fallout NV

Then went back to fallout 3 to play the DLC (I bought the GOTY edition because it was cheaper than buying the DLC with my original disk, so I actually own two copies of fallout 3 now).

// Finished Operation Anchorage (was a fun change of pace), and the Pitt (sucked, too short). Going to do another one this week.

// THEN, I will probably get the last of us and to a 50/50 split with Skyrim.
 
2013-08-20 05:16:08 PM

Weisenheimer: Put down the controller and invest more time in your hobbies.


What if playing video games IS one of your hobbies? I mean when it is raining or late I can't go running or biking. Watching movies and playing games is a great way to kill time.
 
2013-08-20 05:17:40 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: That seems like a lot of money to pay for the new Forza.


Yup. I'm definitely going to miss Forza.
 
2013-08-20 05:22:19 PM
Weisenheimer: Put down the controller and invest more time in your hobbies.

My hobby is taking ridiculously large panoramas (and then laughing as facebook struggles to crop them down to a manageable size ... and then fark crops them down further)

fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net

fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net

fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net
sphotos-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-08-20 05:28:28 PM
All the hardcore said the Wii would bomb, it didn't.  All the harcore said the 360 would bomb, it didn't.  The hardcore said the Kinect would bomb, it didn't.  Now they say the One will bomb, I wonder what will happen?  I'm surprised Sony is doing with the PS4 what they did with the Vita.  "We listened to the gamers and are giving them what they want."  Ladies and gentlemen, the Homermobile.  Yes, listen to the absolute bottom of the barrel and base your decisions off what they want.  Brilliant.

I'm pissed that MS changed its policies.  I wanted some innovation.  I'm not a broke ass gamer who has to sell his games back to gamestop or Ebay to make enough to pay for his supply of Mountain Dew and Cheetos.  I don't need to own a farking disk to be oh so confident in my uber expensive 50 dollar purchase that I MUST be able to feel and rub it against my cheek on a daily basis because "Draconian Consumer Rights MAAAAANNNNNNN!".  I'm pissed because we are listening, and giving a voice to, the farkwads that used to just sit in the dark and be alone.  THEY'E complaining?!!  And we're listening to THEM?!!  Fark them!!  "Kinect is going to spy on me Maaaannn."  Yeah, that's all anyone wants to see is some mouth breather sitting in his skid marked 5 day old boxers with Hot Pocket crud on his face, using a milk crate as a coffee table and calling a soccer mom in Montana the N word because she just beat him at a game of UNO.  Yep, YOU'RE the guy they're looking for.  Look out!!

 We could have had an all digital, game sharing (maybe), Steam-like ("It's NOTHING like Steam maaannnn."), always connected system.  DRM, DRM, DRM!!  "What if I want to play my games in 10 years, what then?  MS sux!  What if I live in the wilderness and I get poor internet and I want to take my ONE camping and......"  Fark off!!  We should have had this, but they actually listened to these morons.  I hope MS and Sony farking fail.  PC gaming for life dudez.
 
2013-08-20 05:34:09 PM

RexTalionis: sethen320: LazarusLong42: Vaneshi: Odd Bird: My PS2 and I would like you to take your adolescent nerd-rage to another patch of grass.

That's nice my Atari ST and SNES will tag team your PS2 if it doesn't get its ass on the pavement.

My Atari 2600 and TI-99/4A will be over here watching your childish shenanigans.

/probably while stoned.

My slide rule and I nod diapprovingly at you.


I actually own a couple slide rules and a working astrolabe as well, but alas they don't run video games, which makes the comparison less apt...
 
2013-08-20 05:34:41 PM

broktune: All the harcore said the 360 would bomb, it didn't. The hardcore said the Kinect would bomb, it didn't.


That is some pretty revisionist history you got there. Hardcore fans were the most excited about the 360 and everyone was pissed at the PS3 for its launch price and forcing people to buy a bluray player. Kinect has largely failed. There isn't a single game out there that is worth playing. Even my 8-12 year old niece and nephews think it is useless.
 
2013-08-20 05:35:47 PM

broktune: All the hardcore said the Wii would bomb, it didn't.  All the harcore said the 360 would bomb, it didn't.  The hardcore said the Kinect would bomb, it didn't.


I'mma stop you right there.

Who said the 360 would bomb? There was the usual debate that you get with each console generation, but I don't think there was a single person out there who was predicting it to be the next virtual boy. It was an upgraded XBOX with a (for it's time) forward thinking focus on online.

The Kinect is a bomb. It's not even a bomb, it's a punchline. Kinect Star Wars is all that need to be said there
 
2013-08-20 05:39:23 PM

broktune: All the hardcore said the Wii would bomb, it didn't.  All the harcore said the 360 would bomb, it didn't.  The hardcore said the Kinect would bomb, it didn't.  Now they say the One will bomb, I wonder what will happen?  I'm surprised Sony is doing with the PS4 what they did with the Vita.  "We listened to the gamers and are giving them what they want."  Ladies and gentlemen, the Homermobile.  Yes, listen to the absolute bottom of the barrel and base your decisions off what they want.  Brilliant.

I'm pissed that MS changed its policies.  I wanted some innovation.  I'm not a broke ass gamer who has to sell his games back to gamestop or Ebay to make enough to pay for his supply of Mountain Dew and Cheetos.  I don't need to own a farking disk to be oh so confident in my uber expensive 50 dollar purchase that I MUST be able to feel and rub it against my cheek on a daily basis because "Draconian Consumer Rights MAAAAANNNNNNN!".  I'm pissed because we are listening, and giving a voice to, the farkwads that used to just sit in the dark and be alone.  THEY'E complaining?!!  And we're listening to THEM?!!  Fark them!!  "Kinect is going to spy on me Maaaannn."  Yeah, that's all anyone wants to see is some mouth breather sitting in his skid marked 5 day old boxers with Hot Pocket crud on his face, using a milk crate as a coffee table and calling a soccer mom in Montana the N word because she just beat him at a game of UNO.  Yep, YOU'RE the guy they're looking for.  Look out!!

 We could have had an all digital, game sharing (maybe), Steam-like ("It's NOTHING like Steam maaannnn."), always connected system.  DRM, DRM, DRM!!  "What if I want to play my games in 10 years, what then?  MS sux!  What if I live in the wilderness and I get poor internet and I want to take my ONE camping and......"  Fark off!!  We should have had this, but they actually listened to these morons.  I hope MS and Sony farking fail.  PC gaming for life dudez.


Wow, you seem to have a bizarre idea of what the ps4 is, or what the Xbox one tried to do.  The ps4 was built for devs, not due to gamer suggestions.  Hell, a veteran game dev is the main designer of the thing, rather then an engineer like the ps2/3.

the xbox seemed built by execs and focus groups to be the ultimate walled garden.  People like to compare it to steam, but honestly, it's nothing like steam.  MS wanted full control over all content ever released for he platform, including it's resale and sharing.  everything was locked up behind paywalls for entertainment apps, and still is.

They got power mad because of their US success this gen, and it bit them in the ass when the preorders opened.

the rest of your points were just childish rants and frankly, aren't worth addressing.
 
2013-08-20 05:44:37 PM

Klivian: Kinect Star Wars


www.theoculusonline.com
images.thetechstuff.com
deathstarpr.com

I have forgotten about this gem.
 
2013-08-20 05:54:38 PM

INeedAName: Dr Dreidel: INeedAName: My 360 is crapping out. Im more likely to buy a new one than to bother with an Xbox One.

If you can live with a non-HDMI model (I have an RGB/component cable, though), I have a spare one to sell.

// it's been opened and re-soldered using not-crap, too
// EIP, I think

Appreciate the offer, but I've been running hdmi for a few years now, and Im not sure I want to go back!


Heh, I have an arcade console (OG grey), with HDMI along with the 120gb HDD that I am looking to move as I'm getting an Xbox One.

Keeping my PS3 for "Beyond: Two Junos" and media streaming though.
 
2013-08-20 05:57:24 PM

broktune: All the hardcore said the Wii would bomb, it didn't.  All the harcore said the 360 would bomb, it didn't.  The hardcore said the Kinect would bomb, it didn't.  Now they say the One will bomb, I wonder what will happen?  I'm surprised Sony is doing with the PS4 what they did with the Vita.  "We listened to the gamers and are giving them what they want."  Ladies and gentlemen, the Homermobile.  Yes, listen to the absolute bottom of the barrel and base your decisions off what they want.  Brilliant.

I'm pissed that MS changed its policies.  I wanted some innovation.  I'm not a broke ass gamer who has to sell his games back to gamestop or Ebay to make enough to pay for his supply of Mountain Dew and Cheetos.  I don't need to own a farking disk to be oh so confident in my uber expensive 50 dollar purchase that I MUST be able to feel and rub it against my cheek on a daily basis because "Draconian Consumer Rights MAAAAANNNNNNN!".  I'm pissed because we are listening, and giving a voice to, the farkwads that used to just sit in the dark and be alone.  THEY'E complaining?!!  And we're listening to THEM?!!  Fark them!!  "Kinect is going to spy on me Maaaannn."  Yeah, that's all anyone wants to see is some mouth breather sitting in his skid marked 5 day old boxers with Hot Pocket crud on his face, using a milk crate as a coffee table and calling a soccer mom in Montana the N word because she just beat him at a game of UNO.  Yep, YOU'RE the guy they're looking for.  Look out!!

 We could have had an all digital, game sharing (maybe), Steam-like ("It's NOTHING like Steam maaannnn."), always connected system.  DRM, DRM, DRM!!  "What if I want to play my games in 10 years, what then?  MS sux!  What if I live in the wilderness and I get poor internet and I want to take my ONE camping and......"  Fark off!!  We should have had this, but they actually listened to these morons.  I hope MS and Sony farking fail.  PC gaming for life dudez.


I disagree with most of what you just said, but do think that console makers should take the attitude of "Well, go buy a PC" make consoles for iphone crowd and push people back to PC that want the hardcore experience.
 
2013-08-20 06:06:59 PM
Hate to rain on the folks saying they're gonna stick with the 360, but I recall MS killing the original Xbox pretty quick after they released the 360. Wouldn't surprise me if they pull support and kill game development within six months of the Xbone's release to pressure more gamers to buy the new product.

/pissed that I can't play half of my Xbox's library -- including Samurai Showdown V, Toe Jam & Earl 3 or Capcom vs. SNK 2 -- on the 360.
//went through four Xbox 360s, compared to one Xbox bought at a garage sale for $40.
///god gamer with too many systems, so little time
 
2013-08-20 06:08:06 PM
I'll likely be getting a PS4. In retrospect, I really should have gotten a PS3 this console generation. All the games I loved on the 360 were available on the PS3 and it also had exclusives I wanted to play. But hey, lemonade and all that. The only thing I worry about now is having to make new online friends since I likely won't be getting an Xbox 1 unless they lock down some pretty serious exclusives. Halo and Gears of War do nothing for me.
 
2013-08-20 06:11:19 PM

Practical_Draconian: Hate to rain on the folks saying they're gonna stick with the 360, but I recall MS killing the original Xbox pretty quick after they released the 360. Wouldn't surprise me if they pull support and kill game development within six months of the Xbone's release to pressure more gamers to buy the new product.

/pissed that I can't play half of my Xbox's library -- including Samurai Showdown V, Toe Jam & Earl 3 or Capcom vs. SNK 2 -- on the 360.
//went through four Xbox 360s, compared to one Xbox bought at a garage sale for $40.
///god gamer with too many systems, so little time


I'm more bummed that I'll be losing all the Xbox originals I bought, or rented at full price rather, over Xbox Live. As soon as support for the 360 dies, all my "online only" downloaded games (which weren't "online only" when I bought them, BTW) die with it.
 
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2013-08-20 06:30:08 PM

broktune: We could have had an all digital, game sharing


There's no reason they can't do this, they're just saying "we're taking our ball and going home". The only thing lost with their back down would've been doing that for disks.
 
2013-08-20 06:30:30 PM
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2013-08-20 06:40:49 PM

ampoliros: Never Buy a Console at Launch


Awesome!
 
2013-08-20 06:42:25 PM

broktune: All the hardcore said the Wii would bomb, it didn't.  All the harcore said the 360 would bomb, it didn't.  The hardcore said the Kinect would bomb, it didn't.  Now they say the One will bomb, I wonder what will happen?  I'm surprised Sony is doing with the PS4 what they did with the Vita.  "We listened to the gamers and are giving them what they want."  Ladies and gentlemen, the Homermobile.  Yes, listen to the absolute bottom of the barrel and base your decisions off what they want.  Brilliant.

I'm pissed that MS changed its policies.  I wanted some innovation.  I'm not a broke ass gamer who has to sell his games back to gamestop or Ebay to make enough to pay for his supply of Mountain Dew and Cheetos.  I don't need to own a farking disk to be oh so confident in my uber expensive 50 dollar purchase that I MUST be able to feel and rub it against my cheek on a daily basis because "Draconian Consumer Rights MAAAAANNNNNNN!".  I'm pissed because we are listening, and giving a voice to, the farkwads that used to just sit in the dark and be alone.  THEY'E complaining?!!  And we're listening to THEM?!!  Fark them!!  "Kinect is going to spy on me Maaaannn."  Yeah, that's all anyone wants to see is some mouth breather sitting in his skid marked 5 day old boxers with Hot Pocket crud on his face, using a milk crate as a coffee table and calling a soccer mom in Montana the N word because she just beat him at a game of UNO.  Yep, YOU'RE the guy they're looking for.  Look out!!

 We could have had an all digital, game sharing (maybe), Steam-like ("It's NOTHING like Steam maaannnn."), always connected system.  DRM, DRM, DRM!!  "What if I want to play my games in 10 years, what then?  MS sux!  What if I live in the wilderness and I get poor internet and I want to take my ONE camping and......"  Fark off!!  We should have had this, but they actually listened to these morons.  I hope MS and Sony farking fail.  PC gaming for life dudez.


I pictured a man in a Napoleon costume throwing a temper tantrum when I read this.
 
2013-08-20 06:59:54 PM
And if it was backwards compatible it would launch with a catalog of thousands of games. But, nope.
 
2013-08-20 07:48:29 PM
Get that piece of crap Kinect out of there and cut the price by $150 and you can take my money, MS.
 
2013-08-20 07:49:57 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Get that piece of crap Kinect out of there and cut the price by $150 and you can take my money, MS.


But the zombies in dead rising can hear you if you make noise in your living room! This is next gen!
 
2013-08-20 07:51:01 PM

Mike Chewbacca: And if it was backwards compatible it would launch with a catalog of thousands of games. But, nope.


Really wish it was, but i'm not sure how ether would do that this gen, without having a SoC version of the previous console included on the motherboard.  The chipsets are just too different.  Nintendo did it by basically including wii like hardware built into the new silicon.
 
2013-08-20 07:56:35 PM

Weisenheimer: Put down the controller and invest more time in your hobbies.


I'm 48. As far as I can recall I've never actually held a modern console controller. I'm sort of looking forward to it.
 
2013-08-20 08:21:37 PM
I understand that switching processors means it can't natively run 360 titles, but with that much horsepower it seems like it should be able to run an emulator that would still give decent performance.
 
2013-08-20 08:33:22 PM
I see two titles that I might be interested in.  Let's see, will I drop $499 on a machine that gives me a kinect I already own but don't ever use for two games I might play?  Oh, they'll be released for the 360, too?  Wow, this is a toughie.  what do?
 
2013-08-20 08:52:14 PM

Antimatter: sethen320: Antimatter: Carth: Anyone here have a Vita? I never was interested in one before but I like the idea of boarderlands 2 on it and the game with the upside head looked interesting.

The vita is...interesting.  Hardware wise, it's very, very solid.  Publishers in the west don't seem to like it though, outside Ubisoft and a few others.  Indies absolutely adore it, as do many Japanese devs from the smaller companies, like Arksys or atlas.

If you have psplus, it's a pretty good buy, save for the memory cards.  Games seem to drop in price pretty quick, and there is always a few free plus games you can play on it.

It's just...damn those cards.  If not for that it could have been a solid hit.  If you buy it as a ps4 companion that plays tons of games from smaller publishers, it's fantastic.  Else, just go get a iphone or 3ds.

What cards?

The vita uses micro SD liek cards that only work on a vita for mass storage.  They are, frankly, overpriced.


Ah. I see. Sonys still doing the overpriced memory scam.

With PSP it was Pro Duo cards but you could get a microSD converter for like 8 bucks. I assume they fixed that problem with the Vita but I'm too lazy to google.
 
2013-08-20 08:53:10 PM
revrendjim: I understand that switching processors means it can't natively run 360 titles, but with that much horsepower it seems like it should be able to run an emulator that would still give decent performance.

The problem with software emulation is that over the years, developers discover all sorts of hardware tricks to get a little more performance or better visual effects, etc.

These tricks are not a part of the hardware specifications and are often completely undocumented (to the point where if they were to report the issue, they would probably get a stern message saying "you're doing something against the spec so no wonder it broke").

FF to when a hardware system is being emulated via software. The people who write the emulation are going to try to get as close to the specifications as possible (because that's the documented and approved behavior of the hardware system). In a lot of cases, popular hardware hacks also get added (sometimes as options) to the emulation.

BUT, if your obscure hardware hack doesn't get emulated, then your game might run funny under emulation. Sometimes this just means graphical glitches, other times, it means the game is completely unplayable.

And sometimes, all it takes is a quick patch to fix it (sometimes causing a loss of performance), and other times, the issues are damn near irreparable.

// since the 360 only ever had software emulation, the list of xbox games that are compatible with the 360 is a good read to get an idea of some of the issues that can pop up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_games_compatible_with_Xbox _3 60
 
2013-08-20 08:53:32 PM

Antimatter: sethen320: Will it work as good as the psp/ps3 streaming? Cause that was totally useless shiat.

Better.  The vita has faster wireless, the ps4 has custom hardware set aside just for streaming/capture so no performance hit, and sony built the tools for vita remote play into the ps4 SDK, so its really easy for devs to implement, you just chose a control scheme and the sdk does the rest.

Nefarious: It looks like the game itself is free and you can add additional characters for $. It's different, it goes beyond just hats but as free to play goes that isn't completely awful if you like the game you "buy it for either 20 or 40" It isn't a constant outlay free to play game.

Yep.  $20 or $40 for six characters, two more later.  And some costumes.

That's...just wow.  If there was any way to kill the hype for a fighter, it's to announce a anemic roster like that behind a paywall.


Ok, the remote play does sound interesting. Ill look into it more after launch.
 
2013-08-20 08:55:22 PM

Vaneshi: From listening to podcasts it seems they remain 'yours' for as long as you remain subscribed.   I've yet to hear of what happens if you bounce the subscription for a month or two; you might get all the prior ones back... you might not.



That's not how it works. They are licensed to your Xbox gamertag and can be accessed any time you sign into your online account. Just like all the previous games on demand titles were released.

Just like games on demand you purchase, you cant use these games offline even if you paid full price for them. If internet connection is interrupted while you play these titles, the game initiates a 10 minute window to sign online, or it turns itself off.

./Switching over to PS4 myself
//Probably only going to miss Halo and Epic studios Gears titles
 
2013-08-20 08:56:50 PM
Just saw this one.

Catwoman: "NEVER attempt to copy this game to your Xbox 360 HDD. Although it is extremely rare, there are still some cases of extreme data corruption to random files on your HDD. This may include save game files."

Serves you right.
 
2013-08-20 09:00:21 PM

Klivian: broktune: All the hardcore said the Wii would bomb, it didn't.  All the harcore said the 360 would bomb, it didn't.  The hardcore said the Kinect would bomb, it didn't.

I'mma stop you right there.

Who said the 360 would bomb? There was the usual debate that you get with each console generation, but I don't think there was a single person out there who was predicting it to be the next virtual boy. It was an upgraded XBOX with a (for it's time) forward thinking focus on online.

The Kinect is a bomb. It's not even a bomb, it's a punchline. Kinect Star Wars is all that need to be said there


People have such short memories. Just because hardcore gamers didn't latch onto it doesn't make it a failure. See also: the Wii.


The Kinect claimed the Guinness World Record of being the "fastest selling consumer electronics device" after selling a total of 8 million units in its first 60 days.[18][19][20] 24 million units of the Kinect sensor had been shipped as of January 2012.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect

Next you'll tell me that there are  no good games that use Kinect.
 
2013-08-20 09:07:56 PM
I've got one of the white PS3s. I've given up using it, it's such a piece of shiat. I don't know how you fark up your own store, but it's simply not useable to browse the PSN, assuming I can magically get the god damned thing to actually connect (I have wireless throughout the entire apartment which a phone, roku, and laptop sitting NEXT TO the ps3 have no problems attending, but the PS3 can't get on any of the 400 networks it sees, all properly passworded etc.).

I have yet to decide if I want to pawn it and keep the cash and just sit this generation out, or hawk it to gamestop and keep the store credit for an eventual system purchase down the road.

But serioulsy, DO NOT BUY the re-designed mini PS3s, even the gamestop guys went 'oh dear god you bought one?'
 
2013-08-20 09:09:33 PM

lordargent: revrendjim: I understand that switching processors means it can't natively run 360 titles, but with that much horsepower it seems like it should be able to run an emulator that would still give decent performance.

The problem with software emulation is that over the years, developers discover all sorts of hardware tricks to get a little more performance or better visual effects, etc.

These tricks are not a part of the hardware specifications and are often completely undocumented (to the point where if they were to report the issue, they would probably get a stern message saying "you're doing something against the spec so no wonder it broke").

FF to when a hardware system is being emulated via software. The people who write the emulation are going to try to get as close to the specifications as possible (because that's the documented and approved behavior of the hardware system). In a lot of cases, popular hardware hacks also get added (sometimes as options) to the emulation.

BUT, if your obscure hardware hack doesn't get emulated, then your game might run funny under emulation. Sometimes this just means graphical glitches, other times, it means the game is completely unplayable.

And sometimes, all it takes is a quick patch to fix it (sometimes causing a loss of performance), and other times, the issues are damn near irreparable.

// since the 360 only ever had software emulation, the list of xbox games that are compatible with the 360 is a good read to get an idea of some of the issues that can pop up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_games_compatible_with_Xbox _3 60


Thanks. I learned something today.
 
2013-08-20 09:14:43 PM
revrendjim: Thanks. I learned something today.

Throw in all of the different SKUs and firmware versions as well and it's a wonder anything can be emulated :P
 
2013-08-20 09:22:51 PM
MOTHER FARKER!

All this talk made me decide "I should really go finish Assasin's creed," just turned in my Xbox 360... Suddenly Red Ring Of Death.

I'm going to cry. Anyone have an old 360 they want to send me?
 
2013-08-20 09:53:22 PM

oren0: Klivian: broktune: All the hardcore said the Wii would bomb, it didn't.  All the harcore said the 360 would bomb, it didn't.  The hardcore said the Kinect would bomb, it didn't.

I'mma stop you right there.

Who said the 360 would bomb? There was the usual debate that you get with each console generation, but I don't think there was a single person out there who was predicting it to be the next virtual boy. It was an upgraded XBOX with a (for it's time) forward thinking focus on online.

The Kinect is a bomb. It's not even a bomb, it's a punchline. Kinect Star Wars is all that need to be said there

People have such short memories. Just because hardcore gamers didn't latch onto it doesn't make it a failure. See also: the Wii.


The Kinect claimed the Guinness World Record of being the "fastest selling consumer electronics device" after selling a total of 8 million units in its first 60 days.[18][19][20] 24 million units of the Kinect sensor had been shipped as of January 2012.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect

Next you'll tell me that there are  no good games that use Kinect.


Kincet sold 24 million units (almost all bundled with an xbox). What was the last kinect required game to sell over a million copies? The highest rated Kinect required game on your list is Dance Central 3 and it has only sold 600k. All these Kinects out there and no one is buying games for it. When Viva Pinata sold more copies than your highest rated game there is something wrong.
 
2013-08-20 10:08:07 PM
Carth : When Viva Pinata sold more copies than your highest rated game there is something wrong.

Wasn't viva pinata in a bundle at some point too or am I high on sugar?

oren0

To echo what Carth said...

There's a huge ass difference between "Kinnect Compatible" and "Kinnect Required" on your list.

Kinnect compatible means the game is perfectly playable without a kinnect (in fact, the kinnect features of that game might be something as simple as being able to give voice commands). Whereas you can't effectively play a kinnect required game without a kinnect.

Now with that in mind, go through that damn list again and look at the "Kinnect Required" games.

// fairly certain that I played the shiat out of Skyrim without ever once thinking of getting a Kinnect for it (Though I'm sure it would be fun to yell out "FUS RO DAH!", it's not enough fun to warrant getting another peripheral).
 
2013-08-20 10:12:41 PM

Carth: oren0: Klivian: broktune: All the hardcore said the Wii would bomb, it didn't.  All the harcore said the 360 would bomb, it didn't.  The hardcore said the Kinect would bomb, it didn't.

I'mma stop you right there.

Who said the 360 would bomb? There was the usual debate that you get with each console generation, but I don't think there was a single person out there who was predicting it to be the next virtual boy. It was an upgraded XBOX with a (for it's time) forward thinking focus on online.

The Kinect is a bomb. It's not even a bomb, it's a punchline. Kinect Star Wars is all that need to be said there

People have such short memories. Just because hardcore gamers didn't latch onto it doesn't make it a failure. See also: the Wii.


The Kinect claimed the Guinness World Record of being the "fastest selling consumer electronics device" after selling a total of 8 million units in its first 60 days.[18][19][20] 24 million units of the Kinect sensor had been shipped as of January 2012.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect

Next you'll tell me that there are  no good games that use Kinect.

Kincet sold 24 million units (almost all bundled with an xbox). What was the last kinect required game to sell over a million copies? The highest rated Kinect required game on your list is Dance Central 3 and it has only sold 600k. All these Kinects out there and no one is buying games for it. When Viva Pinata sold more copies than your highest rated game there is something wrong.


Now I have no desire for a kinect or kinect 2.  However, even with reasonably impressive numbers kinect was an add-on.  As an add-on it had a much smaller potential user base.  I understand what MS is thinking not offering a non-kinect sku (I have no desire for a kinect) but making the kinect 2 install base can potentially give an impetus to develop an actual killer application that makes use of it.  24 million kinects is a large number but less then a third of the 360's install base.
 
2013-08-20 10:22:06 PM

Nefarious: 24 million kinects is a large number but less then a third of the 360's install base.


I'd be interested in how many 360's are actually out in the wild. I bought 3 (2 red rings and one video card problem) and I"ve heard horror stories of people going through 5+. I wouldn't be surprised if there are only 50 million xbox in active use and abotu 45% with kinect.


lordargent: Carth : When Viva Pinata sold more copies than your highest rated game there is something wrong.

Wasn't viva pinata in a bundle at some point too or am I high on sugar?


I have no idea but is so that is the funniest thing I"ve learned today. I just took the lowest selling game on this list
 
2013-08-20 11:01:44 PM

Nefarious: Carth: oren0: Klivian: broktune: All the hardcore said the Wii would bomb, it didn't.  All the harcore said the 360 would bomb, it didn't.  The hardcore said the Kinect would bomb, it didn't.

I'mma stop you right there.

Who said the 360 would bomb? There was the usual debate that you get with each console generation, but I don't think there was a single person out there who was predicting it to be the next virtual boy. It was an upgraded XBOX with a (for it's time) forward thinking focus on online.

The Kinect is a bomb. It's not even a bomb, it's a punchline. Kinect Star Wars is all that need to be said there

People have such short memories. Just because hardcore gamers didn't latch onto it doesn't make it a failure. See also: the Wii.


The Kinect claimed the Guinness World Record of being the "fastest selling consumer electronics device" after selling a total of 8 million units in its first 60 days.[18][19][20] 24 million units of the Kinect sensor had been shipped as of January 2012.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect

Next you'll tell me that there are  no good games that use Kinect.

Kincet sold 24 million units (almost all bundled with an xbox). What was the last kinect required game to sell over a million copies? The highest rated Kinect required game on your list is Dance Central 3 and it has only sold 600k. All these Kinects out there and no one is buying games for it. When Viva Pinata sold more copies than your highest rated game there is something wrong.

Now I have no desire for a kinect or kinect 2.  However, even with reasonably impressive numbers kinect was an add-on.  As an add-on it had a much smaller potential user base.  I understand what MS is thinking not offering a non-kinect sku (I have no desire for a kinect) but making the kinect 2 install base can potentially give an impetus to develop an actual killer application that makes use of it.  24 million kinects is a large number but less then a third of the 360's install base.


It helps that it was a pack in after some time, like the original Dual shock was.  It's not a purely optional add on.

I suspect sony will start bundling the camera once they get the ps4 BOM down enough to justify it.
 
2013-08-20 11:30:55 PM

lordargent: So many sequels, seems fairly lackluster.

I'm going to wait a year before buying.


That is usually the best thing to do with consoles anymore. On release they are all ridiculously overpriced and I can't think of a single release that had a launch or even early first-generation game worth the MUST HAVE NOW attitude.

But given it's another XBox, I'm more likely to wait til I find one at a flea market or yard sale to get it. My 360 largely sits unused as it is while my PS3 and retro consoles get daily use, mostly.
 
2013-08-21 12:24:42 AM
Carth : I have no idea but is so that is the funniest thing I"ve learned today. I just took the lowest selling game on this list

I'm at home now, so can check my sources better.

It was part of an xbox 360 arcade bundle back in 2010 (banjo kazooie plus viva pinata plus an xbox 360 arcade unit).

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002I0JCOU/
 
2013-08-21 12:25:37 AM
... the above bundle was also on woot for $140 at some point in 2010 :P
 
2013-08-21 04:31:36 AM

lordargent: Gergesa: Too expensive for me. I am not sure what defines a "hardcore gamer" but it would appear in part to be someone willing to spend more money on a console than I am.

Anyone who isn't living paycheck to paycheck has at least one expensive hobby.

Some of us have several.

// gaming looks damned cheap ... compared to what I've spent on camera gear :D

// and photography looks cheap, compared to dudes with big trucks and sand rails.


God ain't that the truth. Just spent $1200 just to get 4 shocks revalved on my RZR. Damn racing shocks.

/But it puts a huge smile on my daughters and my faces every trip we take on it.
//Got to pay to play.
 
2013-08-21 06:15:38 AM
You all sound poor.
 
2013-08-21 06:21:27 AM
This was announced today. Pretty cool is you ask me.
LINK
 
2013-08-21 06:23:14 AM

Carth: oren0: Klivian: broktune: All the hardcore said the Wii would bomb, it didn't.  All the harcore said the 360 would bomb, it didn't.  The hardcore said the Kinect would bomb, it didn't.

I'mma stop you right there.

Who said the 360 would bomb? There was the usual debate that you get with each console generation, but I don't think there was a single person out there who was predicting it to be the next virtual boy. It was an upgraded XBOX with a (for it's time) forward thinking focus on online.

The Kinect is a bomb. It's not even a bomb, it's a punchline. Kinect Star Wars is all that need to be said there

People have such short memories. Just because hardcore gamers didn't latch onto it doesn't make it a failure. See also: the Wii.


The Kinect claimed the Guinness World Record of being the "fastest selling consumer electronics device" after selling a total of 8 million units in its first 60 days.[18][19][20] 24 million units of the Kinect sensor had been shipped as of January 2012.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect

Next you'll tell me that there are  no good games that use Kinect.

Kincet sold 24 million units (almost all bundled with an xbox). What was the last kinect required game to sell over a million copies? The highest rated Kinect required game on your list is Dance Central 3 and it has only sold 600k. All these Kinects out there and no one is buying games for it. When Viva Pinata sold more copies than your highest rated game there is something wrong.


Hey buddy, fark you. Viva Pinata is my jam.
 
2013-08-21 06:25:08 AM
Anyone who says the kinect is useless never used it with mass effect 3. Giving your squad voice commands is pretty sweet.
 
2013-08-21 08:53:59 AM

Arthen: Anyone who says the kinect is useless never used it with mass effect 3. Giving your squad voice commands is pretty sweet.


A function that could've been done with a $15 dollar headset.
 
2013-08-21 09:05:56 AM
Not buying either at launch.  Launch games aren't really moving me to want to buy at this time.

Besides, been burnt before by early purchases:
PS2 - Stopped reading CD games, then eventually DVDs
XBox360 - Lasted for a good 3 years, but eventually RROD
3DS - Substantial post-launch price cut

Besides, lots of games to keep me busy until the dust settles.
 
2013-08-21 09:16:09 AM

Arthen: Anyone who says the kinect is useless never used it with mass effect 3. Giving your squad voice commands is pretty sweet.


Ummm....no. What that guy upthread said about a mic being a much better option for that.
 
2013-08-21 09:23:39 AM

RexTalionis: Arthen: Anyone who says the kinect is useless never used it with mass effect 3. Giving your squad voice commands is pretty sweet.

A function that could've been done with a $15 dollar headset.


That is included with every xbox anyway.

Galvatron Zero: Not buying either at launch.  Launch games aren't really moving me to want to buy at this time.

Besides, been burnt before by early purchases:
PS2 - Stopped reading CD games, then eventually DVDs
XBox360 - Lasted for a good 3 years, but eventually RROD
3DS - Substantial post-launch price cut

Besides, lots of games to keep me busy until the dust settles.


I'm at least waiting until reviews for all the launch titles are out. It seems stupid to buy something before you even know if it is any good.
 
2013-08-21 12:25:08 PM
Arthen: Anyone who says the kinect is useless never used it with mass effect 3. Giving your squad voice commands is pretty sweet.

If you've ever heard a Kinect user in voice chat in a game, you would realize how bad the quality was.

Now your voice commands are going into the box at that same quality.

I'm sure it's interesting and maybe cool for a while. But it's not a must have.

RexTalionis: A function that could've been done with a $15 dollar headset.

In my case, a headset that came with the console in the first place.
 
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