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(Purdue Exponent)   Mitch Daniels wanted to remove the Howard Zinn textbook because of Zinn's biased views, and replace it with Bill Bennett's textbook   (purdueexponent.org) divider line 18
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2013-08-20 01:41:21 PM
4 votes:
Bill Bennett's view of American history is better than Howard Zinn's?  You wanna bet?
2013-08-20 02:22:46 PM
2 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: HypnozombieX:  Well you can't have people seeing past the thin shiny veneer of capitalism. They might realize we live in a country with a capitalist system that A) demands inflation constantly go up from now until the end of time at any cost, and B) insist that it is impossible and wrong even to pay the people working for you a living wage.
No one want's to wake up and find out their living in a slave state, totally kills the buzz.

This is what people who buy what Howard Zinn is selling actually believe.


are you saying that Capitalism is an across the board benefit to everyone who participates, true equality at its finest?

what did you think of Cisco laying off 4000 employees in San Jose due to the slipping profits (that's not to say no profits) that the share holders were seeing? So, the shareholder (who don't even work for Cisco) decide that rather than be happy about any profit, they would rather layoff employees (who make the company profitable) to increase profits.  That's Capitalism.
2013-08-20 01:44:59 PM
2 votes:

ikanreed: Yeah, okay, Zinn's a bit liberal, but really only as much as standard textbooks lean conservative.


This.  Zinn's book is one of few history textbooks that will address aspects and viewpoints of history that 99% of historical accounts ignore.
2013-08-20 01:42:10 PM
2 votes:
Yeah, okay, Zinn's a bit liberal, but really only as much as standard textbooks lean conservative.
2013-08-20 01:42:07 PM
2 votes:
From the guy who managed President George W. Bush's budget. Think about that. Of course, that's not fair, because that was back when deficits didn't matter.
2013-08-20 01:41:06 PM
2 votes:
I love compulsive gamblers telling me how to lead a Right and Moral Life.
2013-08-20 01:40:30 PM
2 votes:
conservative education leader

What is that, like an Amish astronaut?
2013-08-20 05:17:50 PM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Capitalism is the most efficient economic system to maximize productivity, lower costs to consumers


Sure, if it's well-regulated. This one ain't.
2013-08-20 04:43:05 PM
1 votes:
Zinn wrote his history with a specific political view in mind, and the entire book is an example of that bias. I think it would be a good tool to teach about historical bias by including a similarly biased work by a conservative.

To be truly impartial you have to separate your personal politics from the facts.
2013-08-20 04:25:22 PM
1 votes:

Super Chronic: I've actually been reading the People's History, off and on, over the last couple of months, having never read it before.  I'm on page 472 of 688 in the hardcover.  It's a little tedious at times (your eyes can glaze over after ten straight pages of "and then there was another strike in Lowell, MA, and three people were shot and killed..."), but I definitely recommend it.  The facts are meticulously and unarguably detailed and it maintains its thesis (namely, that the elites have been able to pit the oppressed against each other and/or hand out just enough to stave off a revolution) without beating you over the head with it or being overly tendentious.


What I've read (and I haven't read it all) makes me think that I'd use certain chapters for classes, to provide an alternate perspective, but I wouldn't use it as a textbook because he will occasionally let his agenda get in the way of his facts.  There's one bit that always comes to mind in his chapter on the American Revolution in which he selectively quotes Pauline Maier (whose entire book was about how the Revolution began as a resistance among all classes) as he's trying to argue that it was really wealthy Americans running everything and more or less tricking the underclass into the Revolution.  That kind of soured me on his style.

That said, based on the reviews, Bennett's book doesn't sound like it's appropriate for a classroom textbook either.
2013-08-20 03:07:00 PM
1 votes:
Daniels also tried to save money by outsourcing the welfare enrollment facility to IBM. That failed:

In 2006, Daniels continued his effort to reduce state operating costs by signing into law a bill privatizing the enrollment service for the state's welfare programs. Indiana's welfare enrollment facilities were replaced with operated by. In mid-2009, after complaints of poor service, Daniels canceled the contract and returned the enrollment service to the public sector
2013-08-20 02:24:32 PM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: HypnozombieX:  Well you can't have people seeing past the thin shiny veneer of capitalism. They might realize we live in a country with a capitalist system that A) demands inflation constantly go up from now until the end of time at any cost, and B) insist that it is impossible and wrong even to pay the people working for you a living wage.
No one want's to wake up and find out their living in a slave state, totally kills the buzz.

This is what people who buy what Howard Zinn is selling actually believe.


That's a great point by point rebuttal of his post. Great piece, really. Excellently researched and documented.
2013-08-20 02:03:39 PM
1 votes:
I highly recommend that he (and everyone else) consider reading this very interesting book:

ecx.images-amazon.com

It talks about various key parts of U.S. history and what actually happened historically, and then compares it to the way each of the leading high school history textbooks treats those events.

Of course, because what actually happened is much, much closer to Zinn's version than the standard high school textbooks' versions, I'm sure he would dismiss it as liberal propaganda.
2013-08-20 01:53:49 PM
1 votes:
How about the comic-book-style history of the US (can't remember the title and Google isn't helping)? I read part of it over a lazy weekend once, and it has a lot of stuff we either glossed over or ignored in my history classes.

// also, standardizing the courses might help
// I don't think I needed 3 classes on "America 1700-1800" and zero on "America 1930-1990" (graduated HS in '99)
2013-08-20 01:48:23 PM
1 votes:

EyeballKid: From the guy who managed President George W. Bush's budget. Think about that. Of course, that's not fair, because that was back when deficits didn't matter.


Mitch Daniels thought that the Iraq War would cost $50 - 60 billion. Only off by more than an order of magnitude.
2013-08-20 01:45:20 PM
1 votes:
Last history textbook I had in college was all primary sources. I found it to be a cool spin on the traditional format.
2013-08-20 01:45:15 PM
1 votes:
How about just pass out the Tea Party Coloring Book.
2013-08-20 01:43:35 PM
1 votes:
because we need to revise history in order not to learn from it.
 
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