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2013-08-20 02:27:21 PM
Someone's gonna getting a shunning from the Mommy Cults.
 
2013-08-20 02:33:21 PM
Hurrah for her!  Pregnancy (so I hear) is more than rough enough as it is.
 
2013-08-20 02:33:48 PM
Economists tend to be pretty good at data and statistics
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-20 02:35:34 PM

Voiceofreason01: Economists tend to be pretty good at data and statistics


Economists though (at least the idiot ones on Television) aren't practicing a real science.

They equally qualified to talk about the economy as health in many cases.. i.e. not much.
 
2013-08-20 02:35:55 PM
An economist would have had at least some training in the scientific method, even if they do tend to think that "a distinguished old man with a beard said so" is a form of proof. Doctors aren't trained to understand statistics or science at all. They're more like engineers than scientists.
 
2013-08-20 02:35:58 PM
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2013-08-20 02:37:17 PM

d23: Voiceofreason01: Economists tend to be pretty good at data and statistics

Economists though (at least the idiot ones on Television) aren't practicing a real science.

They equally qualified to talk about the economy as health in many cases.. i.e. not much.


also I just noticed that she's a professor at the University of Chicago which pretty much makes her a complete whackjob.
 
2013-08-20 02:38:08 PM
Sushi????  When did that get on the "do not eat" list for pregnant women?
/I'm neither pregnant nor a woman.
//Just asking...
 
2013-08-20 02:38:32 PM
oh, i'm not a doctor

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2013-08-20 02:38:45 PM
Because only your doctor can compile statistics and put them in a book
 
2013-08-20 02:40:06 PM
I just don't get some people.  I mean, if you thought "They" said a thing is bad, and you asked your doctor, wouldn't you just move on with life?  Would you really go to the trouble of writing a whole book to prove that "They" are wrong.  Whoever the fark "They" may be or what the fark ever they may be talking about?

This form of personality disorder must be along the spectrum whatever it is that James Randi or Pen Gillette suffer from.
 
2013-08-20 02:40:10 PM

Voiceofreason01: Economists tend to be pretty good at data and statistics


I saw an article about this book last week. Being an economist, she was able to go back to the original research and make sense of the statistics that come out of the research. That's where she's getting her conclusions. She doesn't have to be a doctor, because she's basing her findings on the original medical research.
 
2013-08-20 02:40:29 PM

rvesco: Sushi????  When did that get on the "do not eat" list for pregnant women?
/I'm neither pregnant nor a woman.
//Just asking...


That one made me curious too. What gives?
 
2013-08-20 02:41:36 PM
Well fark that, I don't want my kid to grow up to become a damn economist.
 
2013-08-20 02:42:23 PM

rvesco: Sushi????  When did that get on the "do not eat" list for pregnant women?
/I'm neither pregnant nor a woman.
//Just asking...


I assume because of mercury content and the potential for nasty bugs if spoiled or improperly prepared.
 
2013-08-20 02:43:20 PM

Nurglitch: rvesco: Sushi????  When did that get on the "do not eat" list for pregnant women?
/I'm neither pregnant nor a woman.
//Just asking...

That one made me curious too. What gives?


I'd bet on it being a raw fish thing. Or, I think some pregnant women more or less avoid all seafood because of heavy metals.
 
2013-08-20 02:43:28 PM

MBooda: Well fark that, I don't want my kid to grow up to become a damn economist.


Then make your wife avoid sushi, coffee, and wine while carrying the little Mbooda.
 
2013-08-20 02:43:56 PM
It's the whole raw fish may have something icky in it and might have high levels of mercury and/or lead.
 
2013-08-20 02:44:20 PM

Nurglitch: rvesco: Sushi????  When did that get on the "do not eat" list for pregnant women?
/I'm neither pregnant nor a woman.
//Just asking...

That one made me curious too. What gives?


Mercury.

Of course, if this were half true Japan would have awful birth defect rates. Which, they don't.
 
2013-08-20 02:44:48 PM

Nurglitch: rvesco: Sushi????  When did that get on the "do not eat" list for pregnant women?
/I'm neither pregnant nor a woman.
//Just asking...

That one made me curious too. What gives?


Mercury.
 
2013-08-20 02:45:25 PM

Nurglitch: rvesco: Sushi????  When did that get on the "do not eat" list for pregnant women?
/I'm neither pregnant nor a woman.
//Just asking...

That one made me curious too. What gives?


fish tends to contain more than it's share of heavy metals(especially mercury) and eating sushi, because it's uncooked, has a higher chance of carrying food borne illness.
 
2013-08-20 02:46:17 PM
Yeah, but what about jackhammers and all the noise they make?  Especially in a big city like Chicago
 
2013-08-20 02:46:57 PM
Currently pregnant, recently got the "what for" in another thread, got shamed for my one glass of red wine a month.
 
2013-08-20 02:47:58 PM
The results of medical studies are intentionally manipulated both by the organizations that conduct them and also by the organizations that fund them.
Coffee good.  Coffee bad.  Coffee good.  Coffee bad.  Coffee good.  Coffee bad.  Coffee good.  Coffee bad.  ad nauseum.
Economists don't care about spinning rosy results.
That is why Alchemy is fun but Economics is known as The Dismal Science.
 
2013-08-20 02:48:33 PM

The Slush: Yeah, but what about jackhammers and all the noise they make?  Especially in a big city like Chicago


Might cause drummers.  Which is worse than Down's if you think about it.
 
2013-08-20 02:49:43 PM
I wonder if she went over smoking marijuana.  Everything I've been able to find on it doesn't show anything conclusive to it increasing a chance of their being a problem with the child.
 
2013-08-20 02:50:08 PM
I remember some girl who got knocked up in highschool swore that her doctor told her she needs to keep smoking while pregnant because the "shock" of quitting smoking would do more damage to her fetus than smoking a pack a day would.

/csb
 
2013-08-20 02:50:51 PM

jfivealive: their


whoops
 
2013-08-20 02:50:58 PM
My guess is that she will receive the most heat over the alcohol thing.  Yes, you can drink while pregnant, but the line between not too much and too much is kinda mushy - so the wisdom became: "You know what? Nobody HAS to drink while pregnant...so just don't."  Doctors will come down on her because they don't want to deal with the "how much can I drink?" questions and not be able to just say "Don't."
 
2013-08-20 02:51:10 PM
Beef injections.  Don't forget the beef injections.....
 
2013-08-20 02:53:10 PM

error 303: I remember some girl who got knocked up in highschool swore that her doctor told her she needs to keep smoking while pregnant because the "shock" of quitting smoking would do more damage to her fetus than smoking a pack a day would.

/csb


My wife is now 7 weeks pregnant and she was a smoker.  Doctor told her not to quit cold turkey and to ween her off because the stress and anxiety is a lot more risky when it comes to a miscarriage in the first trimester.  Doc said she had until week 10 to completely quit, but she already has.
 
2013-08-20 02:55:24 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: My guess is that she will receive the most heat over the alcohol thing.  Yes, you can drink while pregnant, but the line between not too much and too much is kinda mushy - so the wisdom became: "You know what? Nobody HAS to drink while pregnant...so just don't."  Doctors will come down on her because they don't want to deal with the "how much can I drink?" questions and not be able to just say "Don't."


That's more or less the explanation I've heard as well. Also that they don't know how to tell if a given pregnancy is particularly sensitive or not and not drinking at all is a pretty reliable way to avoid Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
 
2013-08-20 02:55:59 PM
Dear Economists,

Please finish fixing the economy.  Get back to work so the rest of the able bodied people can too.  Then, by all means, feel free to cure cancer.

Horatio
 
2013-08-20 02:58:35 PM

charmbomb: Currently pregnant, recently got the "what for" in another thread, got shamed for my one glass of red wine a month.


Haters gonna hate.

If it helps - guidelines in the UK are that a couple of glasses of wine a week is fine, guidelines in France are basically "don't get drunk" and their birth and infant mortality outcomes are a lot better than the US
 
2013-08-20 03:05:44 PM

jfivealive: I wonder if she went over smoking marijuana.  Everything I've been able to find on it doesn't show anything conclusive to it increasing a chance of their being a problem with the child.


not that this counts as conclusive, but i had a friend who quit smoking pot when she got pregnant.  she started to have blood pressure problems.  she secretly started smoking pot again and her blood pressure went back to normal.

/csb
 
2013-08-20 03:08:38 PM
Wine, coffee, raw cheese...yea, the French figured this was ok for pregnant women years ago.
 
2013-08-20 03:08:42 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: charmbomb: Currently pregnant, recently got the "what for" in another thread, got shamed for my one glass of red wine a month.

Haters gonna hate.

If it helps - guidelines in the UK are that a couple of glasses of wine a week is fine, guidelines in France are basically "don't get drunk" and their birth and infant mortality outcomes are a lot better than the US


Eh, I didn't really take it to heart. My first son is borderline genius in a lot of areas and I drank red wine with him too. Yet also, I don't dye my hair or paint my nails, or eat foods from boxes (highly processed foods), or eat fast food or drink soda. It's not like alcohol is going to exacerbate an already "high chemical" situation.

I'm not too worried about it. My parents were party animals and I am pretty great. Not that that is ever a good foundation for argument, but what can I say. In France apparently raw vegetables during pregnancy is a HUGE no-no.
 
2013-08-20 03:12:09 PM

Copper Spork: An economist would have had at least some training in the scientific method, even if they do tend to think that "a distinguished old man with a beard said so" is a form of proof. Doctors aren't trained to understand statistics or science at all. They're more like engineers technicians than scientists.


And bad technicians at that. The systems they work on often heal themselves. No car does that.
 
2013-08-20 03:12:23 PM

Copper Spork: An economist would have had at least some training in the scientific method, even if they do tend to think that "a distinguished old man with a beard said so" is a form of proof. Doctors aren't trained to understand statistics or science at all. They're more like engineers than scientists.


Depends on your definition of trained. Doctors are required to take classes in statistics and epidemiology. The difference in opinion is probably due to a lower definition of acceptable risk not doctors misunderstanding statistics. Take the first trimester drinking. Weeks 3-8 are very important in development, so the fetus is extremely susceptible to alcohol. There are no benefits to the fetus from the mother drinking during this time and a world of risks. Therefore the doctor says don't drink. After that time the risks are less and reduction of maternal stress could help. Doctors now are allowing (some are encouraging) a glass of wine occasionally
 
2013-08-20 03:18:55 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: charmbomb: Currently pregnant, recently got the "what for" in another thread, got shamed for my one glass of red wine a month.

Haters gonna hate.

If it helps - guidelines in the UK are that a couple of glasses of wine a week is fine, guidelines in France are basically "don't get drunk" and their birth and infant mortality outcomes are a lot better than the US


Well, yeah, but they actually have a first-class medical system, too.

So they don't need to hedge their bets... unlike the US, where quality of care is going to fluctuate so much more.
 
2013-08-20 03:19:12 PM

minoridiot: Wine, coffee, raw cheese...yea, the French figured this was ok for pregnant women years ago.


yeah but then the kids turn out French. who would want to risk that?
 
kth
2013-08-20 03:20:36 PM
This may explain much, but with my brother and me, my mom was encouraged to chill out a bit (first two sibs were rather premature for the mid/late 60s) with a glass or two of wine and bed rest for the last part of the pregnancy. It worked, she kept us inside a couple of weeks longer than our siblings (I was almost full term).

Of course, I grew up to be a lawyer, so ymmv.
 
2013-08-20 03:32:24 PM

The Slush: Yeah, but what about jackhammers and all the noise they make?  Especially in a big city like Chicago


You arenb't talking about this, by any chance?

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2013-08-20 03:38:26 PM

Voiceofreason01: d23: Voiceofreason01: Economists tend to be pretty good at data and statistics

Economists though (at least the idiot ones on Television) aren't practicing a real science.

They equally qualified to talk about the economy as health in many cases.. i.e. not much.

also I just noticed that she's a professor at the University of Chicago which pretty much makes her a complete whackjob.


well if it's the U of C then all economists from the are bad news for the rest of us
 
2013-08-20 03:46:47 PM
This happens in Japan so often that they have a name for death by overwork- Karoshi.

http://employeewellnessnetwork.com/2013/02/17/karoshi-death-by-overw or k-in-japan/
 
2013-08-20 03:48:47 PM

jfivealive: I wonder if she went over smoking marijuana.  Everything I've been able to find on it doesn't show anything conclusive to it increasing a chance of their being a problem with the child.


My midwife recommended it for "morning" sickness. From what I can understand, it's a helluva lot safer than the Zofran my former OB prescribed in my last two pregnancies. Zofran introduces a bunch of other fun side effects too. I'd rather throw up 5 times a day.

/csb
 
2013-08-20 03:50:36 PM

Lollipop165: Nurglitch: rvesco: Sushi????  When did that get on the "do not eat" list for pregnant women?
/I'm neither pregnant nor a woman.
//Just asking...

That one made me curious too. What gives?

Mercury.

Of course, if this were half true Japan would have awful birth defect rates. Which, they don't.


When I was about 7 weeks pregnant and working in the Bio department, someone tried to kill himself by drinking mercury. He survived, but it spilled all over the floor directly above me.

One of my sons has a very rare, spontaneous (non-inheritable) genetic syndrome with venous malformations, and another woman pregnant at the same time had a baby with large birthmarks. I've always wondered if the two are connected.
 
2013-08-20 04:03:22 PM

karmaceutical: I just don't get some people.  I mean, if you thought "They" said a thing is bad, and you asked your doctor, wouldn't you just move on with life?  Would you really go to the trouble of writing a whole book to prove that "They" are wrong.  Whoever the fark "They" may be or what the fark ever they may be talking about?

This form of personality disorder must be along the spectrum whatever it is that James Randi or Pen Gillette suffer from.


Yes, let's just never question what we're told.  It's much easier this way.
 
2013-08-20 04:07:08 PM

ytterbium: Lollipop165: Nurglitch: rvesco: Sushi????  When did that get on the "do not eat" list for pregnant women?
/I'm neither pregnant nor a woman.
//Just asking...

That one made me curious too. What gives?

Mercury.

Of course, if this were half true Japan would have awful birth defect rates. Which, they don't.

When I was about 7 weeks pregnant and working in the Bio department, someone tried to kill himself by drinking mercury. He survived, but it spilled all over the floor directly above me.

One of my sons has a very rare, spontaneous (non-inheritable) genetic syndrome with venous malformations, and another woman pregnant at the same time had a baby with large birthmarks. I've always wondered if the two are connected.


I'd go with it being unlikely but possible, given that there would probably be mercury vapor dispersion from that.

Also, what an idiot.  Drinking metallic mercury won't kill you.
 
2013-08-20 04:13:50 PM

Lollipop165: Nurglitch: rvesco: Sushi????  When did that get on the "do not eat" list for pregnant women?
/I'm neither pregnant nor a woman.
//Just asking...

That one made me curious too. What gives?

Mercury.


Gosh, if he was ever any harm, he's long past it now.
i2.kym-cdn.com
/is this just fantasy?
 
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