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2013-08-20 12:14:14 PM
If only they had a gun that gun would have not killed them.
 
2013-08-20 12:20:10 PM
"Any loss of life is tragic, when a child looses their life it hit the community hard," Henderson County Sheriff Brian Duke explained.

REPORTING FAIL
 
2013-08-20 12:20:12 PM
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2013-08-20 12:20:54 PM
Dumbass indeed.

According to family members, York's AR-15 rifle accidentally discharged while he was in a back room of their home showing it off to some friends.

Hey y'all, hold my beer and watch this!
 
2013-08-20 12:22:22 PM
sad story. but WTF is he "showing off" a loaded gun?
 
2013-08-20 12:22:33 PM
The discharge ignited a small fire, which "did not seem too threatening at first,"

I think a fire of any size, in a room full of high explosives, is threatening.
 
2013-08-20 12:29:50 PM

FlashHarry: sad story. but WTF is he "showing off" a loaded gun?


It was an AR-15.  It probably hadn't been unloaded since the day he got it.
 
2013-08-20 12:32:17 PM

FlashHarry: sad story. but WTF is he "showing off" a loaded gun?


Because he's farking stupid.

A) You always assume a gun is loaded when handling it

B) You always make sure to check it's not loaded

C) After checking to make sure it's not loaded, you refer back to A)
 
2013-08-20 12:32:20 PM
Hopefully we'll see charges brought against the mother as well for gross neglect/child abuse, something at least, for allowing such a dangerous arsenal to exist in the home in an apparently unsecured fashion.

If we're going to keep allowing people to own full armories full of weapons, we need to make examples of those who don't store and handle them in a safe manner.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-20 12:33:22 PM
At least they were safe from the race war, or whatever they were prepping for.
 
2013-08-20 12:33:40 PM
I'm sorry, this is just really, really, really fishy to me.  Gunshots don't typically cause fires except under very, very exceptional circumstances*, especially smaller caliber, longer barrel guns like the AR-15.

If it did go down like that, though, and as I said, I'm skeptical that there wasn't some other contributing factor, like a bunch of gasoline soaked rags or a meth lab or something like that in the back room, then it would have likely happened no matter what the model of firearm happened to be.  Even a single-shot TC Contender.

*For example, shooting steel core ammo at rocks in very, very dry conditions, or shooting tracers in the same conditions, etc.
 
2013-08-20 12:37:53 PM
Even if his shooting DID cause the fire, modern ammunition doesn't "blow up"
 
2013-08-20 12:38:11 PM

dittybopper: I'm sorry, this is just really, really, really fishy to me.


Just say it already.  It's Obama's fault.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-08-20 12:40:45 PM

markie_farkie: "Any loss of life is tragic, when a child looses their life it hit the community hard," Henderson County Sheriff Brian Duke explained.

REPORTING FAIL


No, I'm sure that's how law enforcement in Tennessee speaks.
 
2013-08-20 12:41:42 PM

impaler: The discharge ignited a small fire, which "did not seem too threatening at first,"

I think a fire of any size, in a room full of high explosives, is threatening.


It wasn't full of high explosives, it was full of ammunition.  Ammunition isn't particularly dangerous when it is burned.  If you are right next to it and not wearing any substantial clothing, you make get some superficial wounds.   I believe Mythbusters covered this.
 
2013-08-20 12:43:16 PM
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GOOD.
 
2013-08-20 12:43:45 PM

scottydoesntknow: FlashHarry: sad story. but WTF is he "showing off" a loaded gun?

Because he's farking stupid.

A) You always assume a gun is loaded when handling it

B) You always make sure to check it's not loaded

C) After checking to make sure it's not loaded, you refer back to A)


This, right here! It's tards like this that ruin it for the responsible gun owners out there.
 
2013-08-20 12:43:48 PM

BunkyBrewman: dittybopper: I'm sorry, this is just really, really, really fishy to me.

Just say it already.  It's Obama's fault.


Really?  That's news to me.  Do you have some actual evidence that the president is somehow at fault, or is this just your way to shut down debate by building up a strawman so you can knock it down?

/I'm betting it's the latter case.
 
2013-08-20 12:45:25 PM

dittybopper: impaler: The discharge ignited a small fire, which "did not seem too threatening at first,"

I think a fire of any size, in a room full of high explosives, is threatening.

It wasn't full of high explosives, it was full of ammunition.  Ammunition isn't particularly dangerous when it is burned.  If you are right next to it and not wearing any substantial clothing, you make get some superficial wounds.   I believe Mythbusters covered this.


You're assuming all he has in that room was ammunition.  For all we know he was stocking on high explosives, dragon's breath rounds, grenades, etc.
 
2013-08-20 12:47:24 PM

dittybopper: impaler: The discharge ignited a small fire, which "did not seem too threatening at first,"

I think a fire of any size, in a room full of high explosives, is threatening.

It wasn't full of high explosives, it was full of ammunition.  Ammunition isn't particularly dangerous when it is burned.  If you are right next to it and not wearing any substantial clothing, you make get some superficial wounds.   I believe Mythbusters covered this.



Maybe making his own ammo, and gunpowder went up?
 
2013-08-20 12:47:26 PM

TuteTibiImperes: dittybopper: impaler: The discharge ignited a small fire, which "did not seem too threatening at first,"

I think a fire of any size, in a room full of high explosives, is threatening.

It wasn't full of high explosives, it was full of ammunition.  Ammunition isn't particularly dangerous when it is burned.  If you are right next to it and not wearing any substantial clothing, you make get some superficial wounds.   I believe Mythbusters covered this.

You're assuming all he has in that room was ammunition.  For all we know he was stocking on high explosives, dragon's breath rounds, grenades, etc.


I think that's a safe assumption.

Yours, I mean.
 
2013-08-20 01:01:13 PM
I think we found the guy that was buying up all the ammo.
 
2013-08-20 01:02:25 PM

Blues_X: dittybopper: impaler: The discharge ignited a small fire, which "did not seem too threatening at first,"

I think a fire of any size, in a room full of high explosives, is threatening.

It wasn't full of high explosives, it was full of ammunition.  Ammunition isn't particularly dangerous when it is burned.  If you are right next to it and not wearing any substantial clothing, you make get some superficial wounds.   I believe Mythbusters covered this.


Maybe making his own ammo, and gunpowder went up?


This.  It's not uncommon for people to reload their own shells.  Particularly for as spendy as they seem to have gotten.
 
2013-08-20 01:03:17 PM

Blues_X: Maybe making his own ammo, and gunpowder went up?


Reloaders are usually smart enough to not load a gun in the house.
 
2013-08-20 01:04:26 PM
If only Obama had followed through on his promise to take away everyone's guns, this tragedy would have been averted.

Worst President Evar.
 
2013-08-20 01:05:35 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: If only Obama had followed through on his promise to take away everyone's guns, this tragedy would have been averted.

Worst President Evar.


After this?  No way I'll ever vote for the man ever again.
 
2013-08-20 01:20:20 PM

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Oh my gods, I laughed way too farking hard at this.
 
2013-08-20 01:21:58 PM

dittybopper: impaler: The discharge ignited a small fire, which "did not seem too threatening at first,"

I think a fire of any size, in a room full of high explosives, is threatening.

It wasn't full of high explosives, it was full of ammunition.  Ammunition isn't particularly dangerous when it is burned.  If you are right next to it and not wearing any substantial clothing, you make get some superficial wounds.   I believe Mythbusters covered this.


If he was a re-loader, could well have had canisters of powder.
 
2013-08-20 01:26:37 PM
AR-15s seem to have a high rate of accidental discharges

/like a teenager with his first Penthouse magazine
 
2013-08-20 01:37:38 PM

nekom: dittybopper: impaler: The discharge ignited a small fire, which "did not seem too threatening at first,"

I think a fire of any size, in a room full of high explosives, is threatening.

It wasn't full of high explosives, it was full of ammunition.  Ammunition isn't particularly dangerous when it is burned.  If you are right next to it and not wearing any substantial clothing, you make get some superficial wounds.   I believe Mythbusters covered this.

If he was a re-loader, could well have had canisters of powder.


Canisters of powder wouldn't even be that big a deal.

Of course, I wouldn't want to stand next to one that cooks off, but if you are familiar with them, they are pretty flimsy, relatively speaking, on purpose.  A solid, heavy canister would be essentially what you are thinking of, a pipe bomb.  Such a container would resist bursting while pressures continued to rise to very dangerous levels.   A thin metal container, however, will burst long before the pressure builds up significantly high enough to make a major "explosion".  Most of the available force in that powder would be "wasted" burning up in the air after the canister burst prematurely.

In fact, modern smokeless powder really is pretty safe to store in your house.   Hell, even black powder is pretty safe:  I have a few 1 lb cans of it, and honestly, I don't sweat it.  Keep it away from open flame, and put the lid back on when you're done, no big deal.  If the house ever catches fire, that's really the very least of my worries, or the worries of anyone else.  I'd be more worried about the natural gas line, and the 2 gallon gas can that's just outside the house, along with the 20 lb propane tank on the grill (also just outside the house).
 
2013-08-20 01:39:50 PM
They blowed up real good.
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2013-08-20 01:41:13 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: AR-15s seem to have a high rate of accidental discharges

/like a teenager with his first Penthouse magazine


I don't think they actually do.  There are a couple of things at work here:

1. They are the most popular single rifle model sold in the US.  That means there are a lot of them.

2. They are politically incorrect, because they are so-called "assault weapons":

www.thesurvivalistblog.net
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-20 01:44:43 PM

dittybopper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: AR-15s seem to have a high rate of accidental discharges

/like a teenager with his first Penthouse magazine

I don't think they actually do.  There are a couple of things at work here:

1. They are the most popular single rifle model sold in the US.  That means there are a lot of them.

2. They are politically incorrect, because they are so-called "assault weapons":


Oh, and they are especially good for killing people.
 
2013-08-20 01:47:04 PM
vpb:
Oh, and they are especially good for killing people.

Most guns are.  A couple of semi-automatic pistols and extra clips and you can do just as much damage.
 
2013-08-20 01:47:17 PM

dittybopper: I don't think they actually do.  There are a couple of things at work here:

1. They are the most popular single rifle model sold in the US.  That means there are a lot of them.

2. They are politically incorrect, because they are so-called "assault weapons":


3. People buy them, despite the fact that they are "identical to a hunting rifles when you remove the cosmetic differences," because they're grown men who want to play army.
 
2013-08-20 01:47:53 PM

nekom: A couple of semi-automatic pistols and extra clips and you can do just as much damage.


well from close range anyway.
 
2013-08-20 01:54:39 PM
Guns don't "just go off"

Ammunition doesn't explode when burned.

They had something else in there, maybe a bunch of gasoline in metal containers?
 
2013-08-20 01:59:05 PM

Calmamity: Ammunition doesn't explode when burned.


the gunpowder in the casings wouldn't combust if heated to a certain temperature?
 
2013-08-20 02:03:38 PM
Shame about the dead kid. His dad was clearly living on borrowed time anyway, being this retarded.

Guns keep you safe though.
 
2013-08-20 02:04:21 PM
"rifle accidentally discharged, causing a fire and then a series of explosions in a room full of ammunition. "

So guns do kill people?

As someone who accidentally threw a few 22 rounds in a burning barrel, yes ammunition can go off.

/did he reload his own brass and the powder went up?
 
2013-08-20 02:04:38 PM
responsible gun owner trifecta!
 
2013-08-20 02:04:40 PM
Yes because no child has ever died in any other kind of house fire, so it's obviously a gun nut thing.
 
2013-08-20 02:04:58 PM

nekom: vpb:
Oh, and they are especially good for killing people.

Most guns are.  A couple of semi-automatic pistols and extra clips and you can do just as much damage.


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2013-08-20 02:05:40 PM

Calmamity: Guns don't "just go off"

Ammunition doesn't explode when burned.

They had something else in there, maybe a bunch of gasoline in metal containers?


They had just received a shipment of Explodium and hadn't stowed it properly yet.

/Just bad timing, really.  Explodium is perfectly stable when not exposed to matter or energy.
 
2013-08-20 02:07:25 PM

dittybopper: I'm sorry, this is just really, really, really fishy to me.  Gunshots don't typically cause fires except under very, very exceptional circumstances*, especially smaller caliber, longer barrel guns like the AR-15.

If it did go down like that, though, and as I said, I'm skeptical that there wasn't some other contributing factor, like a bunch of gasoline soaked rags or a meth lab or something like that in the back room, then it would have likely happened no matter what the model of firearm happened to be.  Even a single-shot TC Contender.

*For example, shooting steel core ammo at rocks in very, very dry conditions, or shooting tracers in the same conditions, etc.


It IS odd.

Even if the first round penetrated a case of ammo just right, set off another round...I'd think that'd be just about it, rather than a chain reaction.

Just a guess, but I'm leaning toward improperly-stored handloading material.

/he won't do THAT again
 
2013-08-20 02:07:35 PM
...York's AR-15 rifle accidentally discharged...

No, it did not.

York fired the rifle.

/ Got what he deserved, too.
// Bonus Darwin points for killing his kid.
 
2013-08-20 02:07:35 PM
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2013-08-20 02:07:43 PM

Calmamity: Ammunition doesn't explode when burned.


mythbusters tested this.
 
2013-08-20 02:08:22 PM

FlashHarry: dittybopper: I don't think they actually do.  There are a couple of things at work here:

1. They are the most popular single rifle model sold in the US.  That means there are a lot of them.

2. They are politically incorrect, because they are so-called "assault weapons":

3. People buy them, despite the fact that they are "identical to a hunting rifles when you remove the cosmetic differences," because they're grown men who want to play army.


This. Those rifles are the equivalent of sticking TypeR stickers and glue-on wings and fairings to a Toyota Camry.
 
2013-08-20 02:08:30 PM
I think we can all agree that the important thing to take away from this is article is that the it was an AR-15 assault style weapon. If we get rid of these AR-15 assault style weapons and there will be no more AR-15 assault style weapons to cause these problems.
 
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