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2013-08-20 01:41:59 PM

James!: What he's leaving out is that the situation with the Pentagon Papers was that they addressed things that had already happened. The government couldn't argue that their release harmed national security. The Snowden leaks concern things that are happening so who knows.


There isn't a First Amendment?
 
2013-08-20 01:42:52 PM

vernonFL: I've been quickly losing respect for Greenwald since this whole Snowden thing started.

You can't hide behind "journalism" and then threaten to release embarrasing documents at your pace when you feel its going to do the most damage to your enemies.


Why not?

Greenwald may not be worthy of respect, but do only governments get to play by those rules?
Because they do that shiat EVERY DAY...with much greater consequences to the public good.
 
2013-08-20 01:43:27 PM

The writer of this article seriously needs to brush up on their journalism skills.  This comes down to who said what but in his own answer he says pretty much the same thing


Q: Will the UK's detention of your partner deter your future reporting?
A: Absolutely not. If anything, it will do the opposite. It will embolden me: I have many more documents to report on, including ones about the UK, where I'll now focus more. I will be more aggressive, not less, in reporting.
Q: What effect do you think they'll be of the UK's detention of your partner?
A: When they do things like this, they show the world their real character. It'll backfire. I think they'll come to regret it.

The bolded should never be spoken by a true reporter who's just "doing their job".  He's no longer a reporter then and is more of a commentator.  He's already formed an opinion over events that haven't even happened yet and is making assumptions about how people will feel.

He also indicates his focus will be more on the UK.  Why would that be if he didn't bear a grudge against them?

I doubt the Reuters comment has been made up and based on what he says in the quotes above, he's pretty much saying the same thing, just trying to say it in a more discreet way.
 
2013-08-20 01:44:28 PM

rikkitikkitavi: Greenwald has some serious personal issues and quite an axe to grind with all forms of authority.


The kinds of "authority" that are on exhibit should be had issues with, to state it awkwardly. When the Guardian is forced to smash its hard drives under threat of government thugs who say, "You've had your debate, there's no need to write any more," we've gone beyond what anyone should put up with. I hope Greenwald tears everyone involved several new ones.
 
2013-08-20 01:45:21 PM
I can't figure out how/why some people keep bringing this up as a first amendment violation that the supreme court is clear on.

A Brazilian citizen was flying from Germany and was detained by British officials when he stopped in England on his way to Brazil. You guys are aware that the constitution is not an international set of laws, but moreover a set of laws for America and its citizens. Also, the supreme court has no jurisdiction over England, Brazil, or Germany.

You retards are aware of that aren't you? Ok... maybe you're not, which would explain why so many of you complain about not being able to get a job with your degree in art history with a minor in interpretive dance from Arizona State.
 
2013-08-20 01:49:00 PM
perhaps now he regrets raising money for, and working so hard to support, the obama campaign
 
2013-08-20 01:49:42 PM
Which messenger are we shooting today again?
 
2013-08-20 01:49:57 PM

BullBearMS: James!: Exactly, now lets talk about what actually happened. A Brazillian citizen was detained by England.

What happened is that a Brazilian citizen got detained and his possessions seized in a gross abuse of extraordinary powers that only apply when seeking to determine if someone is currently involved with terrorism.

As journalism and terrorism aren't the same thing, people are understandably pissed.


Check section 58A.
 
2013-08-20 01:50:14 PM
Greenwald made his comments in Portuguese.  According to Yahoo Brazil, here they are:

"Vou publicar muitas coisas sobre a Inglaterra também. Tenho muitos documentos sobre o sistema de espionagem da Inglaterra. Agora o meu foco vai ficar lá também. E acho que eles vão se arrepender do que fizeram."

I am not a fluent speaker of Portuguese, so I would welcome the collaboration of anyone whose command of that language may be better than mine.  That said, I would translate Greenwald this way:

"I am going to publish a lot of things about England also.  I have many documents that concern England's espionage apparatus.  Now my focus will be on that subject as well.  And I think that they are going to regret what they did."

http://br.noticias.yahoo.com/protestos-detenção-brasileiro-companheir o -jornalista-caso-snowden-204358157.html

My sense is that the Reuters translation was a bit sensationalized, but that Greenwald's own summary (in his tweet) of what he said isn't entirely faithful either.  I for one came away with the sense that Greenwald's initial reaction to the British detention of his partner (he called it a clear attempt at intimidation) was, "I'm going to fix their ass."
 
2013-08-20 01:50:18 PM
My favorite thing about this whole discussion is that news media people are all in an uproar about journalism being under attack and blah blah blah.

The truth is, those cable news asshats have done far more damage to journalism than any govt actions could. They sit there for hours on end with their agendas, their props, and their bullsh*t. They haven't been journalists for a looong time... they're more like rodeo clowns.

/there are real journalists out there
//just not on cable tv or the guardian
 
2013-08-20 01:52:00 PM

BullBearMS: James!: What he's leaving out is that the situation with the Pentagon Papers was that they addressed things that had already happened. The government couldn't argue that their release harmed national security. The Snowden leaks concern things that are happening so who knows.

There isn't a First Amendment?


Not when it comes to classified government programs.
 
2013-08-20 01:52:54 PM
delete the spaces in my link in my last post please--the link didn't get through the filter in one piece.
 
2013-08-20 01:56:38 PM

Cubansaltyballs: My favorite thing about this whole discussion is that news media people are all in an uproar about journalism being under attack and blah blah blah.

The truth is, those cable news asshats have done far more damage to journalism than any govt actions could. They sit there for hours on end with their agendas, their props, and their bullsh*t. They haven't been journalists for a looong time... they're more like rodeo clowns.

/there are real journalists out there
//just not on cable tv or the guardian


Obama didn't just wiretap the AP and then have to back peddle furiously when he got caught at it?
 
2013-08-20 01:58:57 PM
Oh, here's a new one just from today.

Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches

How can anyone think these asshats need reigning in?
 
2013-08-20 02:00:26 PM

BullBearMS: Obama didn't just wiretap the AP and then have to back peddle furiously when he got caught at it?


You know there's a difference between a wiretap and a subpoena for phone records, right?

Or maybe you don't.
 
2013-08-20 02:01:28 PM

BullBearMS: Oh, here's a new one just from today.

Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches

How can anyone think these asshats need reigning in?


I know, right! He should totally be impeached because that reporter's boyfriend got detained.
 
2013-08-20 02:02:42 PM

BullBearMS: Oh, here's a new one just from today.

Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches

How can anyone think these asshats need reigning in?


"Courts have been split on the question. Last week the Obama administration asked the Supreme Court to resolve the issue and rule that the Fourth Amendment allows warrantless cellphone searches."

Histories Greatest Something...
 
2013-08-20 02:08:51 PM

BullBearMS: Oh, here's a new one just from today.

Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches

How can anyone think these asshats need reigning in?


Well, isn't that lovely. And timely!
 
2013-08-20 02:13:52 PM

James!: BullBearMS: Oh, here's a new one just from today.

Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches

How can anyone think these asshats need reigning in?

"Courts have been split on the question. Last week the Obama administration asked the Supreme Court to resolve the issue and rule that the Fourth Amendment allows warrantless cellphone searches."

Histories Greatest Something...


OMG! It's all so clear now!! Ballrog Taxbongo just wants to listen to our every conversation! He wants to know what you order on your pizza, or when your kid is ready to be picked up from school, or when your lawyer/mechanic/taxidermist calls and tells you the moonshiners got busted and turns outs... you've been ingesting paint chips for the last 30 years, which luckily explains your retardation.

But the courts struck back! They said: "No, Taxsambo!! You can't wiretap all those people." So you know what he did... he implemented Obamacare. Now he can get what he wants by corrupting the pure and honest healthcare industry. Since the courts said he can't tap our phones... he found a new way. He can now have his Goosethugs jackbootstep all over us and implant Obamaphones in our brains!!!
 
2013-08-20 02:15:36 PM

Cubansaltyballs: James!: BullBearMS: Oh, here's a new one just from today.

Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches

How can anyone think these asshats need reigning in?

"Courts have been split on the question. Last week the Obama administration asked the Supreme Court to resolve the issue and rule that the Fourth Amendment allows warrantless cellphone searches."

Histories Greatest Something...

OMG! It's all so clear now!! Ballrog Taxbongo just wants to listen to our every conversation! He wants to know what you order on your pizza, or when your kid is ready to be picked up from school, or when your lawyer/mechanic/taxidermist calls and tells you the moonshiners got busted and turns outs... you've been ingesting paint chips for the last 30 years, which luckily explains your retardation.

But the courts struck back! They said: "No, Taxsambo!! You can't wiretap all those people." So you know what he did... he implemented Obamacare. Now he can get what he wants by corrupting the pure and honest healthcare industry. Since the courts said he can't tap our phones... he found a new way. He can now have his Goosethugs jackbootstep all over us and implant Obamaphones in our brains!!!


I like the cut of your tinfoil.
 
2013-08-20 02:15:51 PM

Cubansaltyballs: BullBearMS: Oh, here's a new one just from today.

Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches

How can anyone think these asshats need reigning in?

I know, right! He should totally be impeached because that reporter's boyfriend got detained.


An Obama shill who defends his constant push for warrantless spying on Americans?

Shocking.

The Obama administration is urging the Supreme Court to halt a legal challenge weighing the constitutionality of a once-secret warrantless surveillance program targeting Americans' communications

and

The Obama administration is urging Congress not to adopt legislation that would impose constitutional safeguards on Americans' e-mail stored in the cloud.

and

The Obama administration told a federal court Tuesday that the public has no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in cellphone location data, and hence the authorities may obtain documents detailing a person's movements from wireless carriers without a probable-cause warrant.

and

The Justice Department, saying "a person has no reasonable expectation of privacy in his movements (.pdf) from one place to another," is demanding the justices undo a lower court decision that reversed the conviction and life sentence of a cocaine dealer whose vehicle was tracked via GPS for a month without a court warrant.

and

The Obama administration is seeking to make it easier for the FBI to compel companies to turn over records of an individual's Internet activity without a court order

and

The Obama administration is drawing up plans to give all U.S. spy agencies full access to a massive database that contains financial data on American citizens

and

The Obama administration for the first time responded to a Spygate lawsuit, telling a federal judge the wholesale vacuuming up of all phone-call metadata in the United States is in the "public interest," does not breach the constitutional rights of Americans and cannot be challenged in a court of law.

How anyone with pretenses of being liberal makes excuses for this behavior is beyond me, but the Obama shills are retarded like that.
 
2013-08-20 02:22:01 PM
Ok. I may have used a little strong language in that last post. But seriously, if they detain journalists, the fate of all humanity may be doomed. Our world may be turned into smoldering, lifeless moonscape.

For example, Mars is rusted, busted, empty wasteland. And you know what Mars doesn't have(besides an atmosphere)? Journalists. Not a single journalist on that entire planet. No upskirt shots being bought or sold. No clusters of vans waiting to see when the Martians carry out the corpses of little martian kids after a massacre. No endless prattle about royal weddings. No one to furiously beat off all the way to the scene of a mass-murder. No Kardasians. No agendas cloaked as reporting.

And you know what happened because of all of that? Mars died. Yeah, I'll say it. When the Martians realized their lives were meaningless without journalists, they all died. But how could they live? Their lives were devoid of all meaning... who would even want to live in a world where people didn't know a killer's mood or a what kind of candy-bar he ate the day before a shooting? Not me, that's for sure.
 
2013-08-20 02:23:14 PM

BullBearMS: An Obama shill who defends his constant push for warrantless spying on Americans?

Shocking.


You've convinced me. I'll never vote for him again.
 
2013-08-20 02:23:17 PM
Greenwald's initial reaction to the British detention of his partner (he called it a clear attempt at intimidation) was, "I'm going to fix their ass."

Yes.  The story that launched Greenwald to international notoriety is all about how knowledge of people's secrets gives power over them, and how that kind of power is dangerous because it tempts the wielder to act like a bully and abuse the power.  In this chapter, Greenwald's own actions illustrate that the power he now wields -- from his knowledge of and ability to control the release of the Snowden documents -- has puffed him up with a somewhat exaggerated sense of his ability to make governments regret their actions.
 
2013-08-20 02:25:10 PM

Cubansaltyballs: BullBearMS: An Obama shill who defends his constant push for warrantless spying on Americans?

Shocking.

You've convinced me. I'll never vote for him again.


You know BullBear isn't trying to get you to vote Republican, right?
 
2013-08-20 02:25:19 PM

BullBearMS: How anyone with pretenses of being liberal makes excuses for this behavior is beyond me, but the Obama shills are retarded like that.


Still not sure what any of this has to do with England.
 
2013-08-20 02:25:20 PM

4tehsnowflakes: Greenwald's initial reaction to the British detention of his partner (he called it a clear attempt at intimidation) was, "I'm going to fix their ass."

Yes.  The story that launched Greenwald to international notoriety is all about how knowledge of people's secrets gives power over them, and how that kind of power is dangerous because it tempts the wielder to act like a bully and abuse the power.  In this chapter, Greenwald's own actions illustrate that the power he now wields -- from his knowledge of and ability to control the release of the Snowden documents -- has puffed him up with a somewhat exaggerated sense of his ability to make governments regret their actions.


So in your eyes, the bully in this little drama is the journalist whose partner was detained for 9 hours for no reason. Interesting.
 
2013-08-20 02:26:30 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Cubansaltyballs: BullBearMS: An Obama shill who defends his constant push for warrantless spying on Americans?

Shocking.

You've convinced me. I'll never vote for him again.

You know BullBear isn't trying to get you to vote Republican, right?


Yeah. Oops. I forgot to care.
 
2013-08-20 02:27:01 PM
If you have documents, don't talk, publish.
i70.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-20 02:28:27 PM
www.digitalfilmtree.com
 
2013-08-20 02:29:38 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Cubansaltyballs: BullBearMS: An Obama shill who defends his constant push for warrantless spying on Americans?

Shocking.

You've convinced me. I'll never vote for him again.

You know BullBear isn't trying to get you to vote Republican, right?


He's too busy defending the Bush legacy.
 
2013-08-20 02:31:21 PM

Evil High Priest: So in your eyes, the bully in this little drama is the journalist whose partner was detained for 9 hours for no reason. Interesting.


When you're threatening to dump every secret a nation has (legal activities and otherwise) in order to get back at them or harm them... you can't honestly be surprised when they detain the guy you used as a courier. Or maybe you can... I have no idea if you're that retarded or not.
 
2013-08-20 02:32:18 PM
You know, I've never used this term before in reference to law enforcement, even in jest. But after the detainment of Greenwald's partner and what happened at the Guardians, I'll use it seriously.

Jack-booted thugs.
 
2013-08-20 02:32:21 PM

BullBearMS: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Cubansaltyballs: BullBearMS: An Obama shill who defends his constant push for warrantless spying on Americans?

Shocking.

You've convinced me. I'll never vote for him again.

You know BullBear isn't trying to get you to vote Republican, right?

He's too busy defending the Bush legacy.


Yeah, that's me. A huge George Bush supporter. I'm really sad Romney or McCain aren't president... those guys would never abuse our freedoms like this.
 
2013-08-20 02:34:11 PM

JonBuck: You know, I've never used this term before in reference to law enforcement, even in jest. But after the detainment of Greenwald's partner and what happened at the Guardians, I'll use it seriously.

Jack-booted thugs.


STOP. EVERYTHING. JonBuck just dialed it up to Nazi. This is serious. It's like a warning for the end-of-days!
 
2013-08-20 02:34:43 PM

Cubansaltyballs: Evil High Priest: So in your eyes, the bully in this little drama is the journalist whose partner was detained for 9 hours for no reason. Interesting.

When you're threatening to dump every secret a nation has (legal activities and otherwise) in order to get back at them or harm them... you can't honestly be surprised when they detain the guy you used as a courier. Or maybe you can... I have no idea if you're that retarded or not.


We have an idea about you.
 
2013-08-20 02:36:29 PM

Cubansaltyballs: BullBearMS: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Cubansaltyballs: BullBearMS: An Obama shill who defends his constant push for warrantless spying on Americans?

Shocking.

You've convinced me. I'll never vote for him again.

You know BullBear isn't trying to get you to vote Republican, right?

He's too busy defending the Bush legacy.

Yeah, that's me. A huge George Bush supporter. I'm really sad Romney or McCain aren't president... those guys would never abuse our freedoms like this.


Do you have any idea how retarded you make all liberals look when you reflexively defend everything we spoke out against under Bush because Obama is the one doing it now?
 
2013-08-20 02:36:59 PM

Cubansaltyballs: BullBearMS: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Cubansaltyballs: BullBearMS: An Obama shill who defends his constant push for warrantless spying on Americans?

Shocking.

You've convinced me. I'll never vote for him again.

You know BullBear isn't trying to get you to vote Republican, right?

He's too busy defending the Bush legacy.

Yeah, that's me. A huge George Bush supporter. I'm really sad Romney or McCain aren't president... those guys would never abuse our freedoms like this.


I agree that the problem would be exacerbated and done more brazenly by the GOP. But the problem is institutionalized and not partisan.
 
2013-08-20 02:37:15 PM

tgambitg: It really was all about sending a message to journalists...


resources3.news.com.au
That's not a message....

This is a message:
www.insideedition.com
 
2013-08-20 02:38:00 PM

Evil High Priest: 4tehsnowflakes: Greenwald's initial reaction to the British detention of his partner (he called it a clear attempt at intimidation) was, "I'm going to fix their ass."

Yes.  The story that launched Greenwald to international notoriety is all about how knowledge of people's secrets gives power over them, and how that kind of power is dangerous because it tempts the wielder to act like a bully and abuse the power.  In this chapter, Greenwald's own actions illustrate that the power he now wields -- from his knowledge of and ability to control the release of the Snowden documents -- has puffed him up with a somewhat exaggerated sense of his ability to make governments regret their actions.

So in your eyes, the bully in this little drama is the journalist whose partner was detained for 9 hours for no reason. Interesting.


Not at all.  I am firmly behind the ACLU's foreign-dwelling champion Glenn Greenwald in all this, although his books reveal a Naderish anti-corporate streak.  I merely pointed out the irony that his own remarks illustrate that power corrupts.  And yes, I think sending his lover to get the secret files and having him travel through the UK was stupid.  Of course they were going to search the guy.  Aren't there thousands of obscure people all over the world who would have gladly volunteered to be his courier?
 
2013-08-20 02:40:46 PM

BullBearMS: Do you have any idea how retarded you make all liberals look when you reflexively defend everything we spoke out against under Bush because Obama is the one doing it now?


Um. This isn't a team sport. I understand what Bush and Obama were doing re: wiretaps, data-collection, etc. and it doesn't bother me as much as other things do. When the media says "THEY LISTEN TO EVERYTHING", I don't believe that because I know better. I know the computers in CSI:Miami are not real and the govt doesn't have that kind of magic to listen, store, sort, read, review every piece of data. I know that, so the sensational bullsh*t the media spews doesn't stick in my head as a "fact", but more or less a "way to get ad revenue".
 
2013-08-20 02:40:49 PM

firefly212: the first amendment is very clear on the topic.


No it's not. There's no (clear) reason to think "freedom of the press" means "freedom to keep dangerous documents that plainly aren't yours."
 
2013-08-20 02:45:57 PM
Again, England detained a Brazillian.  Yet it's somehow an indictment of Obama?
 
2013-08-20 02:49:58 PM

4tehsnowflakes: Evil High Priest: 4tehsnowflakes: Greenwald's initial reaction to the British detention of his partner (he called it a clear attempt at intimidation) was, "I'm going to fix their ass."

Yes.  The story that launched Greenwald to international notoriety is all about how knowledge of people's secrets gives power over them, and how that kind of power is dangerous because it tempts the wielder to act like a bully and abuse the power.  In this chapter, Greenwald's own actions illustrate that the power he now wields -- from his knowledge of and ability to control the release of the Snowden documents -- has puffed him up with a somewhat exaggerated sense of his ability to make governments regret their actions.

So in your eyes, the bully in this little drama is the journalist whose partner was detained for 9 hours for no reason. Interesting.

Not at all.  I am firmly behind the ACLU's foreign-dwelling champion Glenn Greenwald in all this, although his books reveal a Naderish anti-corporate streak.  I merely pointed out the irony that his own remarks illustrate that power corrupts.  And yes, I think sending his lover to get the secret files and having him travel through the UK was stupid.  Of course they were going to search the guy.  Aren't there thousands of obscure people all over the world who would have gladly volunteered to be his courier?


I guess I'll start worrying about Greenwald's corrupt power when he has a national security state at his fingertips.
 
2013-08-20 02:51:56 PM

James!: Again, England detained a Brazillian.  Yet it's somehow an indictment of Obama?


Obama didn't admit he knew about it in advance, as has Cameron?

Obama isn't fighting for powers much more extreme than those just misused by Cameron?

Lawyers for the Obama administration are arguing that the United States will be irreparably harmed if it has to abide by a judge's ruling that it can no longer hold terrorism suspects indefinitely without trial in military custody.
 
2013-08-20 02:52:07 PM

gingerjet: rikkitikkitavi: Greenwald has some serious personal issues and quite an axe to grind with all forms of authority.

THIS


...and it's only the slave mentality of people like you two that allow this kind of authority to commit its crimes. Therefore you share the responsibility due to your apathetic emotional leash. Go ahead, admit it. You're a couple of f*cking slaves, and you deserve it. I have nothing but contempt for all forms of authority - just like anyone with a shred of self-esteem does. Your self-righteous desperation for a boss-man will have you crawling like a dung beetle for the rest of your life. Have a nice day.

Love, Stephen
 
2013-08-20 02:53:53 PM
 I know the computers in CSI:Miami are not real and the govt doesn't have that kind of magic to listen, store, sort, read, review every piece of data.

Salty, it's short-sighted to rely on the fact that the current technical capabilities may not allow total storage and total awareness.  Whatever technical limitations remain today will lessen or disappear as storage technology gets better, transmission gets faster, compression gets better, and networked cameras become even more ubiquitous.

Unless the policy and priorities change, the NSA in 2025 will make the current guys look like amateurs.
 
2013-08-20 02:55:10 PM

BullBearMS: How anyone with pretenses of being liberal makes excuses for this behavior is beyond me, but the Obama shills are retarded like that.


I've heard liberals argue that it's good that the JFK investigation files are not being released on the 50th anniversary. Meanwhile, JFK himself said government secrecy in a democracy was "repugnant."
 
2013-08-20 02:55:49 PM

BullBearMS: James!: Again, England detained a Brazillian.  Yet it's somehow an indictment of Obama?

Obama didn't admit he knew about it in advance, as has Cameron?

Obama isn't fighting for powers much more extreme than those just misused by Cameron?

Lawyers for the Obama administration are arguing that the United States will be irreparably harmed if it has to abide by a judge's ruling that it can no longer hold terrorism suspects indefinitely without trial in military custody.


So you'd like to change the subject then?
 
2013-08-20 02:59:34 PM

James!: BullBearMS: James!: Again, England detained a Brazillian.  Yet it's somehow an indictment of Obama?

Obama didn't admit he knew about it in advance, as has Cameron?

Obama isn't fighting for powers much more extreme than those just misused by Cameron?

Lawyers for the Obama administration are arguing that the United States will be irreparably harmed if it has to abide by a judge's ruling that it can no longer hold terrorism suspects indefinitely without trial in military custody.

So you'd like to change the subject then?


After being tortured and raped for 10 years those inmates at Gitmo are bound to hate the US by now.

The only safe thing to do is execute them all.
 
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