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(Salon)   Step 1: Take over and defund public schools. Step 2: Point to their shiatty performance as a reason to further defund them. Step 3: Rake in political donations from charter school executives   (salon.com) divider line 197
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2013-08-20 04:13:37 PM  
Hey, with crappy schools there will be more juvenile offenders, which means more profits!

http://www.copblock.org/33684/pennsylvania-judge-sentenced-to-28-yea rs -in-prison-for-selling-teens-to-prisons/
 
2013-08-20 04:14:43 PM  
If things continue down the path of pandering to the private sector the eventual outcome will be corporations holding long-term focus groups, calling it school and charging the kids parents for it.
 
2013-08-20 04:19:21 PM  

Ned Stark: Weaver95: Ambivalence: This is becoming common enough among republican politicians it's a wonder anyone votes for the, anymore.

I honestly don't know. There's this downright bizarre mental block among GOP voters tho. Most cannot focus on the faults of their own party. I mean that literally. They ALWAYS change the subject to the democrats. I can't get my remaining GOP friends to admit that the republicans have made mistakes,

It's very strange.

Good thing Democrats would never have that sort of problem.


 You know, if I was held up by a guy who took my wallet, I would call that guy a bad guy.  If I was held up by a guy who took my wallet and anally raped me for two days, I would not say that both guys are equally bad.  You're not CNN, just because there are two sides to a coin doesn't mean both sides have merit.  The GOP jumped the shark a long time ago, and very few of those guys give a shiat about the country, about the poor, about the needy, and about honor if it means they can score some goddamn Pyrrhic victory.
 
2013-08-20 04:21:35 PM  

Grandiloquent Grapefruit: If things continue down the path of pandering to the private sector the eventual outcome will be corporations holding long-term focus groups, calling it school and charging the kids parents for it.


Kleptocracy; all the charming power and abuse of feudalism with none of the ruler's responsibility.
 
2013-08-20 04:21:55 PM  

Grandiloquent Grapefruit: If things continue down the path of pandering to the private sector the eventual outcome will be corporations holding long-term focus groups, calling it school and charging the kids parents for it.


"Okay class, here we have an artist's depiction of what Thomas Jefferson would have looked like drinking a delicious Coke. And here he is enjoying refreshing Pepsi. Now children, you will each write a short 500 word essay on which feels more 'historical' and why."
 
2013-08-20 04:24:07 PM  

scottydoesntknow: The schools may open without counselors, administrative staff, noon aids, nurses, librarians or even pens and paper, but hey, kids will have a place to go and sit.

What's a noon aid?


http://www.omsd.k12.ca.us/departments/HumanResources/classified/Clas si fied%20Docs/Noon%20Aide%20Handbook2012-13.pdf
A 2 hour a day very part time job watching kids in the lunchroom and playground recess.
 
2013-08-20 04:26:32 PM  

mediablitz: Garet Garrett: TheBigJerk: Vouchers are not, "unproven." They have been thoroughly tested and proven wrong.

So says the product of a public education, I'm guessing?

Or, you know, facts. Attack the messenger!


For the record; I learned about New Zealand's experiment in School Vouchers in a private university.  But hey, surely those kiwis or whatever the fark they call themselves just didn't do it right.  Same as those Ruskies and communism.  We just need to try harder.
 
2013-08-20 04:29:17 PM  
just because there are two sides to a coin doesn't mean both sides have merit.

It doesn't mean that either side has merit either. I don't really care how many nickels you can squeeze between their Hitler and your Mussolini. I ain't joining the club.
 
2013-08-20 04:29:30 PM  
Oh look, most of the funding came from minority and impoverished schools?  Oops, totally an accident.
 
2013-08-20 04:38:05 PM  

Ambitwistor: thurstonxhowell: coeyagi: My PA friends laughed at me when I moved to DE.  Who's laughing now, asshats?  I can go to Philly, Baltimore or DC in less than 2 hours for any of them; I don't have Corbett systematically turning my state into a Mad Max hellscape to deal with.

While your PA friends might not have a leg to stand on, I strongly disagree with your implication that Delaware is not a "Mad Max hellscape".

I come from Scranton, Pennsylvania!  And that's as hard-scrabble a place as you're gonna find.  I'll show you around some time and you'll see.  It's a hellhole!  An absolute jerkwater of a town!  You couldn't stand to spend a weekend there.  It is just an awful, awful sad place filled with sad, desperate people with no ambition!  Nobody, and I mean nobody, but me, has ever come out of that place! It's a genetic cesspool!  So don't be telling me that I'm part of the Washington elite, because I come from the absolute WORST place on Earth:  Scranton, Pennsylvania!

And Wilmington, Delaware is not much better.


IMO, there's not a more depressing drive than from Allentown to Scranton.

/Grew up in Allentown
//Moved to Baltimore
///Considers it an improvement
 
2013-08-20 04:39:03 PM  
We are doing this in Arkansas with the blessing of the Stephens and Walmart heirs. It has been proven to be a huge waste of money but since it's taxpayer money the heirs don't mind. They got the people of Arkansas behind it by lying and saying they are putting Jesus back in the schools. I can only hope the people will wise up but that might be a false hope.
 
2013-08-20 04:40:42 PM  

Weaver95: Ambivalence: This is becoming common enough among republican politicians it's a wonder anyone votes for the, anymore.

I honestly don't know. There's this downright bizarre mental block among GOP voters tho. Most cannot focus on the faults of their own party. I mean that literally. They ALWAYS change the subject to the democrats. I can't get my remaining GOP friends to admit that the republicans have made mistakes,

It's very strange.


It's like a mental illness.

My grandfather praises Romneycare as a model for the nation while arguing that Obamacare will destroy the freedoms he personally fought for in WW2.

I tried to highlight how Romneycare was used as a model for Obamacare and that much of Romneycare is in Obamacare but he just said I had been brainwashed.

It was an odd conversation.
 
2013-08-20 04:48:38 PM  

TheBigJerk: mediablitz: Garet Garrett: TheBigJerk: Vouchers are not, "unproven." They have been thoroughly tested and proven wrong.

So says the product of a public education, I'm guessing?

Or, you know, facts. Attack the messenger!

For the record; I learned about New Zealand's experiment in School Vouchers in a private university.  But hey, surely those kiwis or whatever the fark they call themselves just didn't do it right.  Same as those Ruskies and communism.  We just need to try harder.


Chile failed with vouchers too. Clearly because they aren't real Americans.

And Wisconsin had them for 22 years with ZERO results.

But public schools are liberal hell holes. That's good enough!
 
2013-08-20 04:49:19 PM  
I've never understood how people can, on the one hand, champion the private sector and market forces as the solution to our educational problems, and on the other hand insist that it won't help a school system to spend more money to pay for things like computers, books, more teachers, and higher salaries to attract better teachers.

If money doesn't actually make a difference, then how do those market forces work?  And why do people seek more of it?  Do people just seek to maximize their earnings because it's the hip thing to do?
 
2013-08-20 04:50:57 PM  

thurstonxhowell: coeyagi: My PA friends laughed at me when I moved to DE.  Who's laughing now, asshats?  I can go to Philly, Baltimore or DC in less than 2 hours for any of them; I don't have Corbett systematically turning my state into a Mad Max hellscape to deal with.

While your PA friends might not have a leg to stand on, I strongly disagree with your implication that Delaware is not a "Mad Max hellscape".


90% of the land is in between Philly and Pittsburgh, and these imbeciles elected Corbett.  Delaware at least has some f*cking beaches and has never elected someone remotely as retarded as Santorum or Corbett.  I can't argue that Delaware is paradise, but the average place in PA is a f*cking nightmare (Chester and a few other counties excluded).
 
2013-08-20 04:53:17 PM  
The average cost of an inmate in PA is about 35k a year.
 
2013-08-20 04:54:29 PM  

Professor Duck: Ambitwistor: thurstonxhowell: coeyagi: My PA friends laughed at me when I moved to DE.  Who's laughing now, asshats?  I can go to Philly, Baltimore or DC in less than 2 hours for any of them; I don't have Corbett systematically turning my state into a Mad Max hellscape to deal with.

While your PA friends might not have a leg to stand on, I strongly disagree with your implication that Delaware is not a "Mad Max hellscape".

I come from Scranton, Pennsylvania!  And that's as hard-scrabble a place as you're gonna find.  I'll show you around some time and you'll see.  It's a hellhole!  An absolute jerkwater of a town!  You couldn't stand to spend a weekend there.  It is just an awful, awful sad place filled with sad, desperate people with no ambition!  Nobody, and I mean nobody, but me, has ever come out of that place! It's a genetic cesspool!  So don't be telling me that I'm part of the Washington elite, because I come from the absolute WORST place on Earth:  Scranton, Pennsylvania!

And Wilmington, Delaware is not much better.

IMO, there's not a more depressing drive than from Allentown to Scranton.

/Grew up in Allentown
//Moved to Baltimore
///Considers it an improvement


Let me put this in perspective.  I have lived in PA, DE and MD.  My girlfriend hails from NEPA.  I hail from SEPA.  I now live in DE, she now lives in MD.  Most of SEPA is ok, but really, with the exception of a few places outside of Pittsburgh and SEPA, the whole place blows.  Scranton and WB are shiathole, shuttered coal towns that still vote GOP for some f*cking reason.  Neither of us love where we're at, but don't think of PA as better in any respect.  And that drive from Allentown to Scranton is very very very f*cking sad.
 
2013-08-20 04:58:18 PM  

Garet Garrett: Great_Milenko: Never underestimate the pettiness and spitefulness of the average American voter.

And never underestimate the contempt that liberals FARK Independents have for their fellow man.


FTFY.
 
2013-08-20 05:05:41 PM  

Professor Duck: /Grew up in Allentown
//Moved to Baltimore
///Considers it an improvement


So you're saying the restlessness was handed down
And it's getting very hard to staaaaa-a-a-aaaaa-a-a-aaa-a-a-aaa-a-a-a-aaay
aaaaaaah aaahhhhh ooooooooh ooooooh o-hhhhhhh.
 
2013-08-20 05:12:43 PM  

Xcott: I've never understood how people can, on the one hand, champion the private sector and market forces as the solution to our educational problems, and on the other hand insist that it won't help a school system to spend more money to pay for things like computers, books, more teachers, and higher salaries to attract better teachers.

If money doesn't actually make a difference, then how do those market forces work?  And why do people seek more of it?  Do people just seek to maximize their earnings because it's the hip thing to do?


I have a notion that the Conservatives want to burn everything to the ground just to be in charge of the ashes.
 
2013-08-20 05:14:17 PM  

Garet Garrett: Great_Milenko: Never underestimate the pettiness and spitefulness of the average American voter.

And never underestimate the contempt that liberals have for their fellow man.


How come you pretend to be a lawyer on the internet?
 
2013-08-20 05:15:54 PM  

mediablitz: Garet Garrett: TheBigJerk: Vouchers are not, "unproven." They have been thoroughly tested and proven wrong.

So says the product of a public education, I'm guessing?

Or, you know, facts. Attack the messenger!


I was referring to his command of English.  Or, more particularly, his lack thereof.
 
2013-08-20 05:16:14 PM  
Ever notice how the GOP is always promoting "privatizing" things where it does not make any farking sense to do so?

Public school system underperforming?  I know how to fix it!  Lets put a for-profit corporation in charge of it instead.  Because, you see, having our schools under the control of a company whose primary (and only) motivation is to turn a profit will result in the best education for our children, somehow.

/they argue the same crap regarding healthcare
//using the "power of the free market" doesn't make any sense in certain public sectors, like health care, education, and prisons.
 
2013-08-20 05:17:38 PM  
How are special needs kids treated in "privatized" schools? In the public school system, there are physical therapists on staff because schools are required to provide both fine motor skills physical therapy (holding a pencil) and gross motor skills physical therapy (walking) if the child has those needs. This is a federal (unpaid for) mandate for public schools. It doesn't matter if schools are not the most efficient delivery system for this; the schools must do it under federal law if a special needs child is in the district. The school cannot outsource this function, either.

Do we have the same requirements for all charter schools?
 
2013-08-20 05:18:58 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Professor Duck: /Grew up in Allentown
//Moved to Baltimore
///Considers it an improvement

So you're saying the restlessness was handed down
And it's getting very hard to staaaaa-a-a-aaaaa-a-a-aaa-a-a-aaa-a-a-a-aaay
aaaaaaah aaahhhhh ooooooooh ooooooh o-hhhhhhh.


I hate you now.

/Fun Fact: Not having understood the song at all, Mayor  Frank Fischl wanted to make the song "Allentown" Allentown's official anthem when it was released in 1982.
//The song is really about Bethlehem, though.
///Not much rhymes with "Bethlehem"
 
2013-08-20 05:20:25 PM  

TheBigJerk: Vouchers are not, "unproven."  They have been thoroughly tested and proven wrong.


I'll bet you think the education system in Sweden is top notch, don't you? Or, that you just love the school system in the Netherlands. You would, wouldn't you?
 
2013-08-20 05:20:41 PM  
Replace "Schools" with any other government program.

The Republican Ideal of Governing.
 
2013-08-20 05:22:24 PM  

Ned Stark: Weaver95: Ambivalence: This is becoming common enough among republican politicians it's a wonder anyone votes for the, anymore.

I honestly don't know. There's this downright bizarre mental block among GOP voters tho. Most cannot focus on the faults of their own party. I mean that literally. They ALWAYS change the subject to the democrats. I can't get my remaining GOP friends to admit that the republicans have made mistakes,

It's very strange.

Good thing Democrats would never have that sort of problem.


Is this next-level trolling? I can't tell anymore.
 
2013-08-20 05:24:47 PM  

Chummer45: Ever notice how the GOP is always promoting "privatizing" things where it does not make any farking sense to do so?

Public school system underperforming?  I know how to fix it!  Lets put a for-profit corporation in charge of it instead.  Because, you see, having our schools under the control of a company whose primary (and only) motivation is to turn a profit will result in the best education for our children, somehow.

/they argue the same crap regarding healthcare
//using the "power of the free market" doesn't make any sense in certain public sectors, like health care, education, and prisons.


'cause this  totally wouldn't be the end result:
oi39.tinypic.com
 
2013-08-20 05:26:48 PM  

Garet Garrett: Great_Milenko: Never underestimate the pettiness and spitefulness of the average American voter.

And never underestimate the contempt that liberals have for their fellow man.


This has been a brilliant right-wing ploy for decades. Sure, the right-wing will give business people incentives to ship your good job overseas and lower your wages. Yes, the right-wing has a proven poor track record when it comes to the economy. Yes, they put laws in place that make your life and your family's life measurably worse. The right-wing has shown through more than 40 years of actions that thye have nothing but complete and utter contempt for any but the richest few, but that left-wing guy over there doesn't RESPECT you, so vote for us.
 
2013-08-20 05:36:20 PM  
Just before I left that hellhole, the superintendent Arlene Ackerman was paid nearly a million dollars to quit her job. She was brought in to fix the system, and somehow managed to make it worse. A couple months later she tried claiming unemployment as well.

You can't make this shiat up.
 
2013-08-20 05:41:05 PM  

Garet Garrett: mediablitz: Garet Garrett: TheBigJerk: Vouchers are not, "unproven." They have been thoroughly tested and proven wrong.

So says the product of a public education, I'm guessing?

Or, you know, facts. Attack the messenger!

I was referring to his command of English.  Or, more particularly, his lack thereof.


Ah. You had no argument.

Fair enough.
 
2013-08-20 05:51:28 PM  
This does sound like a model of "HOW to build another Detroit."
The cycle of bad schools, leading to more middle class flight, less money, worse schools, and repeat.
The only possible outcome is Detroit-esque.
 
2013-08-20 05:53:53 PM  

Chummer45: //using the "power of the free market" doesn't make any sense in certain public sectors, like health care, education, and prisons.


Unless your actual goal is to make money for your friends!!

Water and other utilities also fall into this same trap.
Look at the Enron/PG&E BULLshiat which was caused by privatization and lax regulation.
 
2013-08-20 05:55:08 PM  
As a resident of Philly who hails from NEPA, I can say that there are some very good things that happen in the Philly schools. The budget's big, because the student population is big, and growing.  Yes, there is a pretty large administrative corps in the city.  Schools like Masterman and Central have some amazing teachers.  But Harrisburg is trying to break the Philadelphia teachers' union, so as to put the fear and make the rest of them throughout the state subservient.  The entire public education apparatus is getting screwed, from Penn State and Temple, to the kindergardens.  And the charter schools themselves have a lot less accountability than the public schools.  So of course their directors are going to be kicking money back to the GOP and their cronies in the State Assembly.

Some of the neighborhood middle schools in poorer black neighborhoods in the city... they don't have money to keep the walls and floors dry, and haven't had that money for a decade.  And Harrisburg runs the funding for the district.  They're assholes, and don't give a fark because they don't have to answer to the local populace.

Kinda like the Parking Authority. Another GOP patronage front in the city that has hordes of stealthy ninja-like farkers that is just a bunch of rent-seekers.  And they simply don't give a shiat about treating people decently, either.
 
2013-08-20 05:55:30 PM  

scottydoesntknow: The schools may open without counselors, administrative staff, noon aids, nurses, librarians or even pens and paper, but hey, kids will have a place to go and sit.

What's a noon aid?


Twenty bucks, Reverend, just like uptown.
 
2013-08-20 05:58:02 PM  

namatad: Chummer45: //using the "power of the free market" doesn't make any sense in certain public sectors, like health care, education, and prisons.

Unless your actual goal is to make money for your friends!!

Water and other utilities also fall into this same trap.
Look at the Enron/PG&E BULLshiat which was caused by privatization and lax regulation.


CSB: the water here was recently privitized and prices doubled. Shiats lame.
 
2013-08-20 05:58:30 PM  

DeaH: Garet Garrett: Great_Milenko: Never underestimate the pettiness and spitefulness of the average American voter.

And never underestimate the contempt that liberals have for their fellow man.

This has been a brilliant right-wing ploy for decades. Sure, the right-wing will give business people incentives to ship your good job overseas and lower your wages. Yes, the right-wing has a proven poor track record when it comes to the economy. Yes, they put laws in place that make your life and your family's life measurably worse. The right-wing has shown through more than 40 years of actions that thye have nothing but complete and utter contempt for any but the richest few, but that left-wing guy over there doesn't RESPECT you, so vote for us.


Here we have an example of "If things are bad, blame a republican". Democrats never shipped your job overseas.... What's that Mr. Manufacturing? 1993 you say? NAFTA/GATT you say? Clinton you say?
 
2013-08-20 06:04:53 PM  
As someone who works for a charter school, shiat like this pisses me off. We are destroying education one child at a time, and I'm not sure there will be a road back.


/charter schools don't work for every student
 
2013-08-20 06:05:59 PM  

czei: Hey, with crappy schools there will be more juvenile offenders, which means more profits!

http://www.copblock.org/33684/pennsylvania-judge-sentenced-to-28-yea rs -in-prison-for-selling-teens-to-prisons/


California Couldn't Pay our Education
 
2013-08-20 06:13:40 PM  
um
how could their be ANY bad teachers left?
haven't the NUTS on the right been harping about bad teachers for decades now?
haven't they fixed that problem already??
 
2013-08-20 06:30:11 PM  
This has been happening for years now - it ain't news.
 
2013-08-20 06:31:08 PM  

Ambitwistor: thurstonxhowell: coeyagi: My PA friends laughed at me when I moved to DE.  Who's laughing now, asshats?  I can go to Philly, Baltimore or DC in less than 2 hours for any of them; I don't have Corbett systematically turning my state into a Mad Max hellscape to deal with.

While your PA friends might not have a leg to stand on, I strongly disagree with your implication that Delaware is not a "Mad Max hellscape".

I come from Scranton, Pennsylvania!  And that's as hard-scrabble a place as you're gonna find.  I'll show you around some time and you'll see.  It's a hellhole!  An absolute jerkwater of a town!  You couldn't stand to spend a weekend there.  It is just an awful, awful sad place filled with sad, desperate people with no ambition!  Nobody, and I mean nobody, but me, has ever come out of that place! It's a genetic cesspool!  So don't be telling me that I'm part of the Washington elite, because I come from the absolute WORST place on Earth:  Scranton, Pennsylvania!

And Wilmington, Delaware is not much better.


Not to mention the out of control banana trucks.
 
2013-08-20 06:47:28 PM  

I alone am best: DeaH: Garet Garrett: Great_Milenko: Never underestimate the pettiness and spitefulness of the average American voter.

And never underestimate the contempt that liberals have for their fellow man.

This has been a brilliant right-wing ploy for decades. Sure, the right-wing will give business people incentives to ship your good job overseas and lower your wages. Yes, the right-wing has a proven poor track record when it comes to the economy. Yes, they put laws in place that make your life and your family's life measurably worse. The right-wing has shown through more than 40 years of actions that thye have nothing but complete and utter contempt for any but the richest few, but that left-wing guy over there doesn't RESPECT you, so vote for us.

Here we have an example of "If things are bad, blame a republican". Democrats never shipped your job overseas.... What's that Mr. Manufacturing? 1993 you say? NAFTA/GATT you say? Clinton you say?


You mean the NAFTA that George H. W. Bush spearheaded at the end of the farking sixties, and Bill Clinton refused to sign until it included workers protections? That NAFTA?
 
2013-08-20 07:52:49 PM  

Nadie_AZ: DarkSoulNoHope: scottydoesntknow: The schools may open without counselors, administrative staff, noon aids, nurses, librarians or even pens and paper, but hey, kids will have a place to go and sit.

What's a noon aid?

[heystupid.files.wordpress.com image 480x320]

Is that chick on the left side the same as the one from Traffic? Erika Christensen?


Possibly, hard to tell who Kevin Smith hired as extras on that film, unless you somehow get a hold of his call sheets.
 
2013-08-20 07:56:18 PM  

GoodDoctorB: I alone am best: DeaH: Garet Garrett: Great_Milenko: Never underestimate the pettiness and spitefulness of the average American voter.

And never underestimate the contempt that liberals have for their fellow man.

This has been a brilliant right-wing ploy for decades. Sure, the right-wing will give business people incentives to ship your good job overseas and lower your wages. Yes, the right-wing has a proven poor track record when it comes to the economy. Yes, they put laws in place that make your life and your family's life measurably worse. The right-wing has shown through more than 40 years of actions that thye have nothing but complete and utter contempt for any but the richest few, but that left-wing guy over there doesn't RESPECT you, so vote for us.

Here we have an example of "If things are bad, blame a republican". Democrats never shipped your job overseas.... What's that Mr. Manufacturing? 1993 you say? NAFTA/GATT you say? Clinton you say?

You mean the NAFTA that George H. W. Bush spearheaded at the end of the farking sixties, and Bill Clinton refused to sign until it included workers protections? That NAFTA?


I didn't realize a freshman congressman from Texas had that much pull.

/eighties ;)
 
2013-08-20 07:56:57 PM  
Why should i be subsidizing philly schools? They have plenty of property to tax and pricey ones at that..my property taxes are busy paying for my school district.

How much is comcast paying in property tax on their skyscraper?

Maybe they got a deal at the expense of the children.....
 
2013-08-20 08:16:21 PM  

Giltric: Why should i be subsidizing philly schools? They have plenty of property to tax and pricey ones at that..my property taxes are busy paying for my school district.


this is why all public schools should be solely funded by states and federal funds. period.
every student in a state should have exactly the same amount of money spent for public education.

DISTRICT funding has become de facto private school.

MY district is only rich white kids in the suburb.
YOU district is only poor brown kids in the evil city.

This is no longer public funding.
 
2013-08-20 08:16:32 PM  
Not surprisingly, Corbett isn't just doing this to the schools, he's also doing it to the state run colleges as well. My stepmother works for Shippensburg University, and she says they've seen their state funding dwindling since Corbett got office.
 
2013-08-20 08:18:39 PM  

Peki: Let's just remember, class.

The first rule in exploiting people is making sure they aren't educated enough to read the contract or know their rights.


Works for Best Korea.
 
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