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2013-08-20 02:52:58 PM  
 
2013-08-20 02:53:22 PM  

d23: Ned Stark: Weaver95: Ambivalence: This is becoming common enough among republican politicians it's a wonder anyone votes for the, anymore.

I honestly don't know. There's this downright bizarre mental block among GOP voters tho. Most cannot focus on the faults of their own party. I mean that literally. They ALWAYS change the subject to the democrats. I can't get my remaining GOP friends to admit that the republicans have made mistakes,

It's very strange.

Good thing Democrats would never have that sort of problem.

You put all the voters that do this about Democrats and all the voters that do this about the GOP into one room, and I will show you a room that contains 98% of this countries political problems.

The GOP, up to its eyes in idiots right now, just happen to be the more visible of the two right now.


That mindset is a symptom not a cause, imo.


And yes, when it comes to craziness the GOP definitely is more on the jump on the table and proclaim themselves Napoleon end of the spectrum, opposite a relatively benign continuous mumble and thousand yard stare.
 
2013-08-20 02:55:15 PM  

coeyagi: My PA friends laughed at me when I moved to DE.  Who's laughing now, asshats?  I can go to Philly, Baltimore or DC in less than 2 hours for any of them; I don't have Corbett systematically turning my state into a Mad Max hellscape to deal with.


While your PA friends might not have a leg to stand on, I strongly disagree with your implication that Delaware is not a "Mad Max hellscape".
 
2013-08-20 02:55:40 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: FlashHarry: i realize that PA is philadelphia and pittsburgh with alabama in-between, but what's the chance that this asshole gets reelected?

He's become more & more disliked as his term progresses. He's pissed off a lot of people in his own party. I could see him get primaried or lose in the general (if the Democrats can field a good candidate).


It was interesting for me to find a fairly recent poll showing Corbett -12% against Alyson Swartz (probably the front runner for the Dem nomination) and 65% saying he does not deserve a 2nd term.

With these results, the firm conducting the poll concluded:

"With Governor Corbett's weak job approval, re-elect and ballot support numbers, the current Philadelphia school crisis presents an opportunity for the Governor to wedge the electorate on an issue that is favorable to him," the poll concludes. "Staging this battle presents Corbett with an opportunity to coalesce his base, focus on a key emerging issue in the state, and campaign against an 'enemy' that's going to aggressively oppose him in '14 in any case."

Incredible.

Link.
 
2013-08-20 02:56:50 PM  
What's the story, here?  They've admitted that this was their plan all along!  No one on the GOP side is disputing that this is what they're trying to do, they're not even trying to hide the fact that they're making up the numbers!
 
2013-08-20 02:58:08 PM  

Psylence: The Hon. Budd Dwyer has a retirement program that the people of PA would really like Corbett to examine closely.


Hey, man.
 
2013-08-20 02:58:51 PM  
Step 1: Create Medicare "Advantage" with no price controls
Step 2: Watch Medicare costs spiral out of control
Step 3: Complain about Medicare costs being out of control

It's a tried and true method. Why change it if it ain't broke?
 
2013-08-20 02:59:02 PM  

Ned Stark: Weaver95: Ambivalence: This is becoming common enough among republican politicians it's a wonder anyone votes for the, anymore.

I honestly don't know. There's this downright bizarre mental block among GOP voters tho. Most cannot focus on the faults of their own party. I mean that literally. They ALWAYS change the subject to the democrats. I can't get my remaining GOP friends to admit that the republicans have made mistakes,

It's very strange.

Good thing Democrats would never have that sort of problem.


Most don't. Oh there are a few fanatics he and there but the dnc lacks the insane focus of the religious right.
 
2013-08-20 02:59:27 PM  

Ned Stark: Weaver95: Ambivalence: This is becoming common enough among republican politicians it's a wonder anyone votes for the, anymore.

I honestly don't know. There's this downright bizarre mental block among GOP voters tho. Most cannot focus on the faults of their own party. I mean that literally. They ALWAYS change the subject to the democrats. I can't get my remaining GOP friends to admit that the republicans have made mistakes,

It's very strange.

Good thing Democrats would never have that sort of problem.


Getting rid of Glass-Steagul, supporting the Patriot Act, that's two quick ones.
 
2013-08-20 03:00:22 PM  
In Indiana, though, we won't ever farking learn the lesson.  We've still got corporate idiots like Mike Pence in charge.
 
2013-08-20 03:02:00 PM  
This strategy has also been applied to the USPS.
 
2013-08-20 03:02:33 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: BMFPitt: I look forward to the typical thread where everyone explains that the one and only way to improve education is to pay existing teachers more, so long as no attempt is made to direct those raises at good teachers or get rid of poor performing teachers.

You'll likely be waiting a while, nobody ever says this.

This is what you want people to say.


This. So much of it.
 
2013-08-20 03:03:06 PM  
When do we recognize these corporate Loyalists as the farking Tories they are and start punching musket balls through faces again?
 
2013-08-20 03:03:50 PM  

Diogenes: Worked for the Postal Service.


????

Actually it didn't, that is the problem with the Postal Service, as far as Republitards are concerned. There is enough income to keep the service running and it won't crash and burn anytime soon. Last year, and it looks like they will again this year, the service told congress to go pound sand and refused to pay that extra retirement funding crap that was forced on them when they were running a surplus.
 
2013-08-20 03:04:34 PM  

Apik0r0s: When do we recognize these corporate Loyalists as the farking Tories they are and start punching musket balls through faces again?


When the masses of idiots in this country finally realize there is no correlation between sucking corporate ween and jobs?

//this has been proved beyond a reasonable doubt to any person with any decent level of IQ for 15 years now.
 
2013-08-20 03:09:56 PM  

DarwiOdrade: "The cornerstone of democracy rests on the foundation of an educated electorate," said no Republican ever.


Oh, I dunno. I could imagine it from a Republican who was born before 1900, and at a stretch, from a Republican that served in WWII. They weren't always the bastion of derp they've been in our lifetime.
 
2013-08-20 03:10:04 PM  

Tomahawk513: Ned Stark: Weaver95: Ambivalence: This is becoming common enough among republican politicians it's a wonder anyone votes for the, anymore.

I honestly don't know. There's this downright bizarre mental block among GOP voters tho. Most cannot focus on the faults of their own party. I mean that literally. They ALWAYS change the subject to the democrats. I can't get my remaining GOP friends to admit that the republicans have made mistakes,

It's very strange.

Good thing Democrats would never have that sort of problem.

Getting rid of Glass-Steagul, supporting the Patriot Act, that's two quick ones.


I don't know why people categorize into the 2 political parties. It is and has always been a struggle between the wealthy aristocracy and everyone else. Allies come and go. Ideologies are borrowed and cast off as they are needed (or not). This didn't begin with Obama or Bush Jr or even the founding of the nation. Why is Haiti despised for what it did- what the US appears to stand for? They threw off the power elite for freedom. BIIIIIG mistake, apparently. Look at Iran. Democracy? F* that. We want their sh*t. Topple their democratically elected ass.
 
2013-08-20 03:11:16 PM  

Tomahawk513: Ned Stark: Weaver95: Ambivalence: This is becoming common enough among republican politicians it's a wonder anyone votes for the, anymore.

I honestly don't know. There's this downright bizarre mental block among GOP voters tho. Most cannot focus on the faults of their own party. I mean that literally. They ALWAYS change the subject to the democrats. I can't get my remaining GOP friends to admit that the republicans have made mistakes,

It's very strange.

Good thing Democrats would never have that sort of problem.

Getting rid of Glass-Steagul, supporting the Patriot Act, that's two quick ones.


Aren't you adorably misinformed. The senate banking committee vote was along strict party lines, as was the eventual full senate vote, except for one D voting along with the Rs. Even in the House, the Rs voted over 90% to repeal G-S, while the Ds only had 2/3 support.
 
2013-08-20 03:12:13 PM  

coeyagi: My PA friends laughed at me when I moved to DE.  Who's laughing now, asshats?  I can go to Philly, Baltimore or DC in less than 2 hours for any of them; I don't have Corbett systematically turning my state into a Mad Max hellscape to deal with.


I live in NEPA and if you moved out of this state at any point after 1920, I wouldn't have laughed, I'd have been on my knees begging to go with you.
 
2013-08-20 03:13:56 PM  

Weaver95: Ned Stark: Weaver95: Ambivalence: This is becoming common enough among republican politicians it's a wonder anyone votes for the, anymore.

I honestly don't know. There's this downright bizarre mental block among GOP voters tho. Most cannot focus on the faults of their own party. I mean that literally. They ALWAYS change the subject to the democrats. I can't get my remaining GOP friends to admit that the republicans have made mistakes,

It's very strange.

Good thing Democrats would never have that sort of problem.

Most don't. Oh there are a few fanatics he and there but the dnc lacks the insane focus of the religious right.


Pardon the incredulity weavs, but I can't actually recall an instance where I was critical of Democrats and wasn't subsequently informed how much worse Republicans are, unless times where I received no reply at all count.
 
2013-08-20 03:15:23 PM  
Defunding them to the tune of $14,000 per pupil.  How anyone expects to educate children on such a pittance is beyond me.
 
2013-08-20 03:16:44 PM  
1) Ban birth control. Ban abortion. Abstinence-only edumakashun.  Defund Planned Parenthood.
2) Wonder why so many out of wedlock births.
3) Abolish food stamps. That'll larn them Welfare Queens. (The Welfare Queens with the babies, of course, not the ones with the zillion-dollar contracts with the Small Government®.)
4) Ship all the well-paying jobs overseas.
5) Gut the public schools. You don't need no edumakashun to work a McJob, and teachers are Union Thugs (except when the NRA wants to arm them).
6) Hike taxes on people who work for a living. Cut them on the plutocrats. Abolish the minimum wage. David Koch's Mercedes is six months old and he wants a new one.
7) Wonder why so many people break the law instead of starving quietly, or getting a McJob for take-home pay that won't take them home.
8) zOMG CRIME WAVE!
9) Zillion-dollar Small Government® contracts for private prisons and purveyors of riot gear.
10) No ??? here, baby.
11) Profit!
/"The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then they get elected and prove it." -- P. J. O'Rourke, Parliament of Whores
 
2013-08-20 03:18:26 PM  

thurstonxhowell: coeyagi: My PA friends laughed at me when I moved to DE.  Who's laughing now, asshats?  I can go to Philly, Baltimore or DC in less than 2 hours for any of them; I don't have Corbett systematically turning my state into a Mad Max hellscape to deal with.

While your PA friends might not have a leg to stand on, I strongly disagree with your implication that Delaware is not a "Mad Max hellscape".


I come from Scranton, Pennsylvania!  And that's as hard-scrabble a place as you're gonna find.  I'll show you around some time and you'll see.  It's a hellhole!  An absolute jerkwater of a town!  You couldn't stand to spend a weekend there.  It is just an awful, awful sad place filled with sad, desperate people with no ambition!  Nobody, and I mean nobody, but me, has ever come out of that place! It's a genetic cesspool!  So don't be telling me that I'm part of the Washington elite, because I come from the absolute WORST place on Earth:  Scranton, Pennsylvania!

And Wilmington, Delaware is not much better.
 
2013-08-20 03:18:48 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Ambivalence: This is becoming common enough among republican politicians it's a wonder anyone votes for the, anymore.

I'll never vote for the , again.


Shoot, I won't even vote for the . anymore. Not since I found this photo of them plotting together

;
 
2013-08-20 03:28:04 PM  
Oh, come on.  TFA is beyond ridicule.  In 2001 when the commonwealth took over the district, per-pupil spending was at about $8,300, and by 2010 it was up to $13,300 (inflation adjusted) - a 52% increase.   For eight of the 12 years the district's been under commonwealth control, it was under Ed Rendell, hardly a GOP tool.  And how did they fare?  They kept going down the shiatter.  Which is remarkable, because before 2001 it wouldn't have occurred to anyone that it could get much worse.

Of course, you didn't hear a hue and cry from teachers as things eroded; when, year after year, the children went uneducated, too often propelled into a near-hopeless life of dependency.  No, you don't hear about the woes of Philadelphia until things happen that matter.  I.e., layoffs.

The problem is not insufficient state support.  Period, full stop.

But here we go again, with the usual suspects demanding that more of the same policies that caused the problem with solve the problem.  Justified, of course, by the fruits of their malfeasance:  "We have so much poverty, we need more resources!"  And why should we think you'll succeed now, with today's money, when you failed so miserably with all the other billions of dollars we spent on you?  Bad news:  Some of us notice who was "educating" the people whom you now blame for your present difficulties.

Give the kids of Philadelphia a break.  Stop pretending that there is ANY benefit to the outsourced-to-a-private-organization-with-a-monopoly, so-called "public" education system for the people of Philadelphia.  Is there no result for the children that is so catastrophic that people might be willing to tell the system to fark off?  How many children must be sacrificed to appease the gods of "public" education?  Ferchissakes, people, think what we're doing.
 
2013-08-20 03:29:13 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: 1) Ban birth control. Ban abortion. Abstinence-only edumakashun.  Defund Planned Parenthood. 2) Wonder why so many out of wedlock births. 3) Abolish food stamps. That'll larn them Welfare Queens. (The Welfare Queens with the babies, of course, not the ones with the zillion-dollar contracts with the Small Government®.) 4) Ship all the well-paying jobs overseas. 5) Gut the public schools. You don't need no edumakashun to work a McJob, and teachers are Union Thugs (except when the NRA wants to arm them). 6) Hike taxes on people who work for a living. Cut them on the plutocrats. Abolish the minimum wage. David Koch's Mercedes is six months old and he wants a new one. 7) Wonder why so many people break the law instead of starving quietly, or getting a McJob for take-home pay that won't take them home. 8) zOMG CRIME WAVE! 9) Zillion-dollar Small Government® contracts for private prisons and purveyors of riot gear. 10) No ??? here, baby. 11) Profit! /"The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then they get elected and prove it." -- P. J. O'Rourke, Parliament of Whores

I think #8 or 9 becomes the overthrow of the government as so many tea baggers and conspiracy nutters dream about. Except it won't be anything short of massively ugly and there will. be. no. rescue. Or going back.

 
2013-08-20 03:30:44 PM  
Vouchers are not, "unproven."  They have been thoroughly tested and proven wrong.
 
2013-08-20 03:30:59 PM  

Cataholic: Defunding them to the tune of $14,000 per pupil.  How anyone expects to educate children on such a pittance is beyond me.


How much of that 14 grand goes to students, teachers and classrooms, and how much goes to administrators, security staff, and other ancillary stuff?

// if the trend has held in PA, they've had a glut of admins in the last 15ish years, and relatively few teachers added
// and growing class sizes
 
2013-08-20 03:37:41 PM  

Ambivalence: This is becoming common enough among republican politicians it's a wonder anyone votes for the, anymore.


Never underestimate the pettiness and spitefulness of the average American voter.
 
2013-08-20 03:39:53 PM  
when the President asks "Is our kids learning?" you know we're in trouble.
 
2013-08-20 03:40:03 PM  

Great_Milenko: Never underestimate the pettiness and spitefulness of the average American voter.


And never underestimate the contempt that liberals have for their fellow man.
 
2013-08-20 03:41:03 PM  

TheBigJerk: Vouchers are not, "unproven." They have been thoroughly tested and proven wrong.


So says the product of a public education, I'm guessing?
 
2013-08-20 03:41:44 PM  

Dr Dreidel: How much of that 14 grand goes to students, teachers and classrooms, and how much goes to administrators, security staff, and other ancillary stuff?


Given what I know about how administrators have farked up every system in this country, I estimate that about $2.15 is actually spent on classroom materials.

//we're screwed
///the only people society values all are some form of "administrator" or play with a ball of some sort.
 
2013-08-20 03:42:25 PM  

Garet Garrett: Great_Milenko: Never underestimate the pettiness and spitefulness of the average American voter.

And never underestimate the contempt that liberals have for their fellow man.


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2013-08-20 03:42:27 PM  

Garet Garrett: Great_Milenko: Never underestimate the pettiness and spitefulness of the average American voter.

And never underestimate the contempt that liberals have for their fellow man.


contempt, like respect, is earned.
 
2013-08-20 03:42:43 PM  

Garet Garrett: Great_Milenko: Never underestimate the pettiness and spitefulness of the average American voter.

And never underestimate the contempt that liberals have for their fellow man.


Average American voter does not equal fellow man, nice try.
 
2013-08-20 03:43:10 PM  
Ambitwistor:I come from Scranton, Pennsylvania!  And that's as hard-scrabble a place as you're gonna find.  I'll show you around some time and you'll see.  It's a hellhole!  An absolute jerkwater of a town!  You couldn't stand to spend a weekend there.  It is just an awful, awful sad place filled with sad, desperate people with no ambition!  Nobody, and I mean nobody, but me, has ever come out of that place! It's a genetic cesspool!  So don't be telling me that I'm part of the Washington elite, because I come from the absolute WORST place on Earth:  Scranton, Pennsylvania!

I've been there and can attest to this.  northeastern Pennsylvania is almost as bad as southwestern Pennsylvania.  At least you don't have Stiller fans 'n 'nat.
 
2013-08-20 03:43:53 PM  

Garet Garrett: Great_Milenko: Never underestimate the pettiness and spitefulness of the average American voter.

And never underestimate the contempt that liberals have for their fellow man.


Women, Mexicans, Muslims, Gays. All that contempt from liberals...
 
2013-08-20 03:44:37 PM  

Garet Garrett: TheBigJerk: Vouchers are not, "unproven." They have been thoroughly tested and proven wrong.

So says the product of a public education, I'm guessing?


Or, you know, facts. Attack the messenger!
 
2013-08-20 03:46:15 PM  

Garet Garrett: Great_Milenko: Never underestimate the pettiness and spitefulness of the average American voter.

And never underestimate the contempt that liberals have for their fellow man.


And never underestimate the conservative belief that he should be free from the consequences of his rhetoric.
 
2013-08-20 03:52:38 PM  
This is how outsourcing always works. Taxpayers actually save nothing.
 
2013-08-20 03:54:52 PM  

scottydoesntknow: The schools may open without counselors, administrative staff, noon aids, nurses, librarians or even pens and paper, but hey, kids will have a place to go and sit.

What's a noon aid?


heystupid.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-20 03:55:17 PM  

Isitoveryet: Garet Garrett: Great_Milenko: Never underestimate the pettiness and spitefulness of the average American voter.

And never underestimate the contempt that liberals have for their fellow man.

contempt, like respect, is earned.


I will continue to treat contemptible people with contempt.
 
2013-08-20 03:55:59 PM  

Garet Garrett: Great_Milenko: Never underestimate the pettiness and spitefulness of the average American voter.

And never underestimate the contempt that liberals have for their fellow man.


LOL or the ability of some people to project, amirite?
 
2013-08-20 03:58:17 PM  

scottydoesntknow: The schools may open without counselors, administrative staff, noon aids, nurses, librarians or even pens and paper, but hey, kids will have a place to go and sit.

What's a noon aid?


It's what you make when life hands you noons.
 
2013-08-20 03:59:46 PM  

TheBigJerk: Vouchers are not, "unproven."  They have been thoroughly tested and proven wrong.


In every single solitary state they've been tried in. Heck look at Louisiana's results...They thought religious schools were great....until the Islamic schools wanted in on the 'religious instruction' program.
 
2013-08-20 04:00:11 PM  
"Particularly noxious lawmakers are fond of spouting the ridiculous notion that money can't help struggling schools, as if more and better-trained staff, better equipment and diverse programming wouldn't make a difference in kids' educations and their lives."

How do we determine an appropriate level of funding for schools when no amount is going to make parents suddenly give a shiat about their kids' education?
 
2013-08-20 04:02:00 PM  
Jindal is doing the same thing in Louisiana. We're tossing money to "educators' with nothing but a basketball court and 10 DVD players, calling them voucher schools and bingo bongo, he's a hero.  In the first year we have a school taking $1.3 million and ignoring the reporting required. Those that reported did report combined records of 148-23 and several district championships. La is already last and we're working to go backward.
 
2013-08-20 04:03:18 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: BMFPitt: I look forward to the typical thread where everyone explains that the one and only way to improve education is to pay existing teachers more, so long as no attempt is made to direct those raises at good teachers or get rid of poor performing teachers.

You'll likely be waiting a while, nobody ever says this.

This is what you want people to say.


So help me God THIS!

Every teacher I know(and I know dozens) is happy with their income.  What they want is textbooks printed this decade(but will settle for century), more Educational Assistants for special needs students, up to date computers and other teaching peripherals, expanded technical programs(shop class, etc) and schools that are structurally sound with enough classrooms so kids aren't jammed in like sardines.  The school I currently work in saw a massive overhaul in staffing and just about everything I just listed in the past five years and it is currently testing nearly 15% above the average for the school board in everything from language arts to math.  Getting rid of bad teachers is one step, but there are a lot more.
 
2013-08-20 04:06:53 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: scottydoesntknow: The schools may open without counselors, administrative staff, noon aids, nurses, librarians or even pens and paper, but hey, kids will have a place to go and sit.

What's a noon aid?

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Is that chick on the left side the same as the one from Traffic? Erika Christensen?
 
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