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(Guardian)   Shamefully low minimum wages are hurting the American economy   (theguardian.com) divider line 324
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2013-08-20 10:24:10 AM  
Shocking.
 
2013-08-20 10:25:13 AM  
Correct.
 
2013-08-20 10:26:18 AM  
Adjusting for inflation, minimum wage was the highest in the 70s.

Just wanted to throw that out there before anyone starts complaining about how it is too high or that increasing it will hurt the economy.
 
2013-08-20 10:26:35 AM  
Duh!
 
2013-08-20 10:27:28 AM  
Furthermore, when was the last time tipped minimum wages were increased? Prepared to be disgusted!
 
2013-08-20 10:28:22 AM  
So you're saying that they should be lower to free up capital for businesses to expand?
 
2013-08-20 10:28:24 AM  

mgshamster: Adjusting for inflation, minimum wage was the highest in the 70s.

Just wanted to throw that out there before anyone starts complaining about how it is too high or that increasing it will hurt the economy.


Those people will be here shortly.  They will be incorrect, but they will be here.
 
2013-08-20 10:28:51 AM  
In before the guy who makes $15/hour and doesn't want the minimum wage increased because then he would no longer feel superior to poorer people.
 
2013-08-20 10:29:19 AM  

FarkedOver: Furthermore, when was the last time tipped minimum wages were increased? Prepared to be disgusted!


2009. Before that, 2008, then 2007, then 1997.
 
2013-08-20 10:30:14 AM  
Minimum wage is $10.50 or so in Canada, and our streets are running red with BLOOD, I tell you.
 
2013-08-20 10:30:17 AM  

mgshamster: FarkedOver: Furthermore, when was the last time tipped minimum wages were increased? Prepared to be disgusted!

2009. Before that, 2008, then 2007, then 1997.


Oh, tipped. I missed that crucial bit.
 
2013-08-20 10:30:48 AM  
You mean when people don't have money, demand for goods drops, and then production must be ratcheted down to avoid oversupply, leading to less work necessary, meaning fewer jobs?

I mean, f*ck market economies, let's just nationalize this shiat and usher in the glorious revolutionary worker's paradise, but still... you'd think capitalists would at least get their own system right (hint: you need more demand, not less).
 
2013-08-20 10:31:10 AM  

mgshamster: mgshamster: FarkedOver: Furthermore, when was the last time tipped minimum wages were increased? Prepared to be disgusted!

2009. Before that, 2008, then 2007, then 1997.

Oh, tipped. I missed that crucial bit.


Yep.  That hasn't gone up since 1991.
 
2013-08-20 10:31:29 AM  
Since the UK is finished as a country of any importance, it's political writers should stick to doing what they do best; helping to further ruin the UK.

We've got our own liberals, thank you very much.
 
2013-08-20 10:31:51 AM  
In before the guy who throws busted sheetrock and torn-off shingles into dumpsters for a living and doesn't want minimum wage increased because flipping burgers isn't "skilled labor."
 
2013-08-20 10:32:07 AM  

FarkedOver: mgshamster: Adjusting for inflation, minimum wage was the highest in the 70s.

Just wanted to throw that out there before anyone starts complaining about how it is too high or that increasing it will hurt the economy.

Those people will be here shortly.  They will be incorrect, but they will be here.


I love them.
Them: "Stop being poor, get a minimum wage job at McDonald's if you have to."
Poor Person: "OK, I got that job, but it only pays $8/hr. Still not enough to cover bills and food."
Them: "Stop being poor and lazy. BOOTSTRAPS!"
Poor Person: "....?"
 
2013-08-20 10:33:11 AM  

buzzcut73: FarkedOver: mgshamster: Adjusting for inflation, minimum wage was the highest in the 70s.

Just wanted to throw that out there before anyone starts complaining about how it is too high or that increasing it will hurt the economy.

Those people will be here shortly.  They will be incorrect, but they will be here.

I love them.
Them: "Stop being poor, get a minimum wage job at McDonald's if you have to."
Poor Person: "OK, I got that job, but it only pays $8/hr. Still not enough to cover bills and food."
Them: "Stop being poor and lazy. BOOTSTRAPS!"
Poor Person: "....?"


GET 5 JOBS! DO WHATEVER IT TAKES! (At the expense of your family, and your overall well being!)
 
2013-08-20 10:35:09 AM  
We just subsidize walmart and similar companies payouts to the shareholders, this is one of those issues where it really comes out who the gunga dins for the wealthy are. Nothing good comes to middle class people by supporting slave wages for other Americans.
 
2013-08-20 10:35:23 AM  
It's almost as if an economy primarily based upon consumption does well when as many people as possible have enough to participate in the economy.
 
2013-08-20 10:36:55 AM  

FarkedOver: buzzcut73: FarkedOver: mgshamster: Adjusting for inflation, minimum wage was the highest in the 70s.

Just wanted to throw that out there before anyone starts complaining about how it is too high or that increasing it will hurt the economy.

Those people will be here shortly.  They will be incorrect, but they will be here.

I love them.
Them: "Stop being poor, get a minimum wage job at McDonald's if you have to."
Poor Person: "OK, I got that job, but it only pays $8/hr. Still not enough to cover bills and food."
Them: "Stop being poor and lazy. BOOTSTRAPS!"
Poor Person: "....?"

GET 5 JOBS! DO WHATEVER IT TAKES! (At the expense of your family, and your overall well being!)


image.minyanville.com

McDonald's admits you can't live on just their job.
 
2013-08-20 10:37:02 AM  

FarkedOver: buzzcut73: FarkedOver: mgshamster: Adjusting for inflation, minimum wage was the highest in the 70s.

Just wanted to throw that out there before anyone starts complaining about how it is too high or that increasing it will hurt the economy.

Those people will be here shortly.  They will be incorrect, but they will be here.

I love them.
Them: "Stop being poor, get a minimum wage job at McDonald's if you have to."
Poor Person: "OK, I got that job, but it only pays $8/hr. Still not enough to cover bills and food."
Them: "Stop being poor and lazy. BOOTSTRAPS!"
Poor Person: "....?"

GET 5 JOBS! DO WHATEVER IT TAKES! (At the expense of your family, and your overall well being!)


Reminds me of the life-as-a-poor-person game. It was posted on fark some time ago. Remember it?

http://m.today.com/money/can-you-live-9-hour-play-game-6C9677742

/Sorry about the lack of a hyperlink; I'm on a mobile.
//Just remove the fark-inserted spaces
 
2013-08-20 10:37:18 AM  

Wendy's Chili: In before the guy who makes $15/hour and doesn't want the minimum wage increased because then he would no longer feel superior to poorer people.


This and sheer economic ignorance are the only current arguments against doubling the damn thing, and they both suck.
 
2013-08-20 10:38:22 AM  

Witty_Retort: FarkedOver: buzzcut73: FarkedOver: mgshamster: Adjusting for inflation, minimum wage was the highest in the 70s.

Just wanted to throw that out there before anyone starts complaining about how it is too high or that increasing it will hurt the economy.

Those people will be here shortly.  They will be incorrect, but they will be here.

I love them.
Them: "Stop being poor, get a minimum wage job at McDonald's if you have to."
Poor Person: "OK, I got that job, but it only pays $8/hr. Still not enough to cover bills and food."
Them: "Stop being poor and lazy. BOOTSTRAPS!"
Poor Person: "....?"

GET 5 JOBS! DO WHATEVER IT TAKES! (At the expense of your family, and your overall well being!)

[image.minyanville.com image 562x573]

McDonald's admits you can't live on just their job.


McDonald's also admits you REALLY don't need heat for your home.
 
2013-08-20 10:38:37 AM  
Is it Guardian day or something?

I mean I know the US minimum wage is all f*cked up in this country but why should the UK give a f*ck what we do? Are we somehow beholden to you? Just because you lost us years ago doesn't make you our mom.
 
2013-08-20 10:39:00 AM  
Just want to point out that the unit of trade in the US is not the 'Job' just having a 'job' doesn't necessarily mean that one has enough money to survive, although it usually means one has many many fewer hours each week in which to improve my lot in life.

If you think you're 'creating jobs' as a private citizen I would ask if the Job you are creating are worth having, or if they are simply ways for people to desperately tread water and slow down the rate at which they starve to death.

Because a job that involves danger but pays well is probably worth having a lot more than a job that doesn't make ends meet that slowly kills the employee through stress and starvation. And it doesn't matter if you feel justified trapping people in low-wage dead end jobs, because the fact of the matter is that the business owner would not be employing them at all unless there was a substantial profit to be made.

So I don't want to hear that you build a 1.2 million dollar restaurant and are stealing the time of seventy people for a pittance of 7$/hr. You're not doing so out of the goodness of your heart, nor because you're a good guy, or ever that you're doing the right thing. You're doing it because it will make you a lot of money (20-100% return according to this) . And hey, I want people to make money in the US. I want people to invest, and I want people to thrive, but is it too much to ask someone who doesn't have finance costs to share the wealth with their employees at the least in good training and positive feedback if nothing else?
 
2013-08-20 10:40:27 AM  

bdub77: Is it Guardian day or something?

I mean I know the US minimum wage is all f*cked up in this country but why should the UK give a f*ck what we do? Are we somehow beholden to you? Just because you lost us years ago doesn't make you our mom.


Globalization.  We're all connected for better or for worse. That's why they care.  That's why we should care about other workers who get treated like shiat else where.  If we demand workers every where are treated and paid fairly in decent working conditions that would be awesome.
 
2013-08-20 10:40:54 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: You mean when people don't have money, demand for goods drops, and then production must be ratcheted down to avoid oversupply, leading to less work necessary, meaning fewer jobs?


This is the weirdest thing to me. I mean, it's not like dude working the drive through at McDonalds is going to throw off the shackles of the work week and retire to Bermuda because he's suddenly making $12.75. They're called "wage slaves" for a reason. You've got us, Corporate America. All you need to do is keep the water bottle full and change the wood shavings once in a while, and we'll keep running on that wheel as much as you like.
 
2013-08-20 10:41:05 AM  

FarkedOver: Witty_Retort: FarkedOver: buzzcut73: FarkedOver: mgshamster: Adjusting for inflation, minimum wage was the highest in the 70s.

Just wanted to throw that out there before anyone starts complaining about how it is too high or that increasing it will hurt the economy.

Those people will be here shortly.  They will be incorrect, but they will be here.

I love them.
Them: "Stop being poor, get a minimum wage job at McDonald's if you have to."
Poor Person: "OK, I got that job, but it only pays $8/hr. Still not enough to cover bills and food."
Them: "Stop being poor and lazy. BOOTSTRAPS!"
Poor Person: "....?"

GET 5 JOBS! DO WHATEVER IT TAKES! (At the expense of your family, and your overall well being!)

[image.minyanville.com image 562x573]

McDonald's admits you can't live on just their job.

McDonald's also admits you REALLY don't need heat for your home.


Well you have electric, which I assume also covers heating.  Let's be perfectly honest though, not a livable wage.
 
2013-08-20 10:41:13 AM  
FarkedOver:.

McDonald's also admits you REALLY don't need heat for your home.


Or groceries for that matter. Somebody making $8.25 an hour would have to work 70 hours a week to make the net they have listed, and still can't buy food or heat. That is farked up. Still, BOOTSTRAPS!
 
2013-08-20 10:42:17 AM  

Witty_Retort: FarkedOver: buzzcut73: FarkedOver: mgshamster: Adjusting for inflation, minimum wage was the highest in the 70s.

Just wanted to throw that out there before anyone starts complaining about how it is too high or that increasing it will hurt the economy.

Those people will be here shortly.  They will be incorrect, but they will be here.

I love them.
Them: "Stop being poor, get a minimum wage job at McDonald's if you have to."
Poor Person: "OK, I got that job, but it only pays $8/hr. Still not enough to cover bills and food."
Them: "Stop being poor and lazy. BOOTSTRAPS!"
Poor Person: "....?"

GET 5 JOBS! DO WHATEVER IT TAKES! (At the expense of your family, and your overall well being!)

[image.minyanville.com image 562x573]

McDonald's admits you can't live on just their job.


Oh, you can live on it.  Just as long as you work for two different franchises, get your heating from a hobo 55-gallon drum fire, and acquire food by diving through the dumpster out back of your workplace.
 
2013-08-20 10:42:54 AM  

FarkedOver: bdub77: Is it Guardian day or something?

I mean I know the US minimum wage is all f*cked up in this country but why should the UK give a f*ck what we do? Are we somehow beholden to you? Just because you lost us years ago doesn't make you our mom.

Globalization.  We're all connected for better or for worse. That's why they care.  That's why we should care about other workers who get treated like shiat else where.  If we demand workers every where are treated and paid fairly in decent working conditions that would be awesome.


Well, the US isn't really the place to start then, when more than a billion people still earn less than a dollar a day. For better or for worse, US workers do OK. We have plenty of problems, and yes minimum wage needs to increase BUT...we still pay better than the vast majority of countries.
 
2013-08-20 10:43:13 AM  

FarkedOver: bdub77: Is it Guardian day or something?

I mean I know the US minimum wage is all f*cked up in this country but why should the UK give a f*ck what we do? Are we somehow beholden to you? Just because you lost us years ago doesn't make you our mom.

Globalization.  We're all connected for better or for worse. That's why they care.  That's why we should care about other workers who get treated like shiat else where.  If we demand workers every where are treated and paid fairly in decent working conditions that would be awesome.


But that would mean a global awareness and solidarity with workers around the world that transcends national boundaries and ethnic segregation.

DIRTY COMMIES
 
2013-08-20 10:44:15 AM  

bdub77: Well you have electric, which I assume also covers heating. Let's be perfectly honest though, not a livable wage.


I think what they are assuming is that you live in an apartment where it is included in your rent.  Some landlords don't do this.  Some apartment buildings have oil burners (here in Massachusetts a lot of houses are built with oil tanks) which you have to have oil delivered to your house when you are running low or you run out.  that can run you over a 1000 dollars for a full oil delivery.
 
2013-08-20 10:45:19 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: So you're saying that they should be lower to free up capital for businesses to expand?


No.  He's saying that they need to be lower so that employers will hire more workers.
 
2013-08-20 10:45:20 AM  

bdub77: Is it Guardian day or something?

I mean I know the US minimum wage is all f*cked up in this country but why should the UK give a f*ck what we do? Are we somehow beholden to you? Just because you lost us years ago doesn't make you our mom.


It's my understanding that the Guardian has US readership these days.  The author may even live and work in the US, since she's also written for the Wall Street Journal, Marketplace, NYT, Washington Post, etc.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-20 10:45:22 AM  
So taxpayers are basically subsidizing business?  Isn't that a surprise.

It's a good thing that economists don't worry much about the consumer economy any more, or we would be in trouble.
 
2013-08-20 10:46:53 AM  
For those who will inevitably claim increasing the minimum wage will crash our economy:

Australia has the highest minimum wage in the world at $16.88 (US) per hour, ranks in the top 10 countries for GDP per capita by virtually any measure, has one of the lowest debt to GDP ratios, and weathered the financial crisis extremely well.
 
2013-08-20 10:46:56 AM  

Infernalist: FarkedOver: bdub77: Is it Guardian day or something?

I mean I know the US minimum wage is all f*cked up in this country but why should the UK give a f*ck what we do? Are we somehow beholden to you? Just because you lost us years ago doesn't make you our mom.

Globalization.  We're all connected for better or for worse. That's why they care.  That's why we should care about other workers who get treated like shiat else where.  If we demand workers every where are treated and paid fairly in decent working conditions that would be awesome.

But that would mean a global awareness and solidarity with workers around the world that transcends national boundaries and ethnic segregation.

DIRTY COMMIES


Sounds beautiful :)
 
2013-08-20 10:48:02 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: So you're saying that they should be lower to free up capital for businesses to expand?


If a guy wants to work with a gun in his back for a bowl of rice a day, why should the government prevent him from doing that?
 
2013-08-20 10:48:11 AM  
i41.tinypic.com

Hey, I got an idea!  Let's make a consumer-based economy and then not pay anyone anything!  We could dunk the economy in the toilet...
 
2013-08-20 10:48:12 AM  

DarwiOdrade: For those who will inevitably claim increasing the minimum wage will crash our economy:

Australia has the highest minimum wage in the world at $16.88 (US) per hour, ranks in the top 10 countries for GDP per capita by virtually any measure, has one of the lowest debt to GDP ratios, and weathered the financial crisis extremely well.


And every species of animal there wants to kill you.

You know, if it wasn't for 'that' little fact, I'd have moved there 20 years ago.
 
2013-08-20 10:48:22 AM  

Neighborhood Watch: Since the UK is finished as a country of any importance, it's political writers should stick to doing what they do best; helping to further ruin the UK.

We've got our own liberals, thank you very much.


I thought that the UK was our great and glorious partner in the coalition to prevent Saddam Hussein from using his store of chemical and biological weapons to perpetrate a second 9/11 type on the U.S.
 
2013-08-20 10:48:38 AM  
We can't raise the minimum wage because that would hobble the job creators.
 
2013-08-20 10:48:44 AM  
Wwwwaaahhhh! I gots a liberals arts degree and can't get a REAL JOB.
 
2013-08-20 10:49:51 AM  

Great_Milenko: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: So you're saying that they should be lower to free up capital for businesses to expand?

If a guy wants to work with a gun in his back for a bowl of rice a day, why should the government prevent him from doing that?


And we know he wants to, because he doesn't just quit and get a better job.

There is never ever any other reason why a person would stay a a crappy job. Ever.
 
2013-08-20 10:49:59 AM  

Lord_Baull: We can't raise the minimum wage because that would hobble the job creators.


Well a lot of them should be hobbled or put up against a wall any way for crimes against humanity.
 
2013-08-20 10:50:14 AM  

Infernalist: DarwiOdrade: For those who will inevitably claim increasing the minimum wage will crash our economy:

Australia has the highest minimum wage in the world at $16.88 (US) per hour, ranks in the top 10 countries for GDP per capita by virtually any measure, has one of the lowest debt to GDP ratios, and weathered the financial crisis extremely well.

And every species of animal there wants to kill you.

You know, if it wasn't for 'that' little fact, I'd have moved there 20 years ago.


corruptcamel.com
 
2013-08-20 10:50:16 AM  

ferretman: Wwwwaaahhhh! I gots a liberals arts degree and can't get a REAL JOB.


Are you pretending to be retarded or are you sincerely this stupid?
 
2013-08-20 10:51:40 AM  

ferretman: Wwwwaaahhhh! I gots a liberals arts degree and can't get a REAL JOB.


Everyone should get a good job! you solved the problem of taxpayer subsidizing wal mart's profits!
 
2013-08-20 10:51:59 AM  
We could just cut taxes on the top 2% of earners in the country.  That would fix it.
 
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