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2013-08-20 11:09:05 AM
4 votes:

Explodo: Unless you're leasing it, or Tesla is going to replace the battery pack for free, it's a car with near 0 resale value due to the fact that once that battery stops putting out as much power it'll cost a fortune to replace the battery pack...at least that's how they've all been so far.

Via the Tesla forum, replacement battery packs cost $30,000, which is nearly half the price of the car.  They also say the batteries are designed to last 10 years.  Well, I'll check in on that in 10 years and see how everyone is doing.  I've never had rechargeable batteries that didn't lose a significant amount of output in considerably less time.  Suddenly your 240 mile range is a 40 mile range and you can plunk down thirty grand to fix it or just buy another one.  Pfft.  I have, however, never dealt with such high-end batteries.  As I said, we'll see.

I prefer to buy things that I can plan to keep indefinitely without having to pay for them again.


When I think of things that keep their resale value, don't require constant maintenance, and run essentially forever, I think of automobiles.
2013-08-20 10:16:23 AM
4 votes:

Glitchwerks: Voiceofreason01: It's such a pretty car and the photo they pick is a closeup of the badge?

It's really derivative of Maserati styling though.  That's nitpicking, of course.  It would just be nicer to see unique designs.


"Oh no! My girlfriend looks like Cameron Diaz"

/I'll get over it :-)
2013-08-20 10:20:13 AM
3 votes:

Explodo: I'm sure that rating is in no way politically motivated...


And without any evidence to prove such a claim, the amount of political motivation is limited only by your imagination!
2013-08-20 12:54:26 PM
2 votes:

Hollie Maea: There are like maybe 2 volvos in the world that have lasted that long.


And Explodo owns one of them.
2013-08-20 12:04:24 PM
2 votes:

tricycleracer: Kimpak: Doc Daneeka: I think it's still mostly a toy for the rich at this point.

Pretty much.  It is a luxury car, hence the price.  So only the rich are going to be able to afford the thing anyway.  It being electric doesn't really mean you're saving any money in gas, due to the initial price tag.  Rather, it being electric is going to give you instant torque, which makes for a whole different driving experience.  Hopefully the tech does trickle down to us lowly folk who can only afford $20-30k cars.

But said rich person shopped the Tesla S against a Mercedes S-Class, a BMW 7-Series, and an Audi A8 before purchasing.  It's not like it was down to a Ford Fusion or a Tesla S.  The zero gasoline thing makes it very attractive versus other large luxury cars.


The zero gas thing is attractive so they don't have to touch the gas pump handle that was last used by some dirty plebian in a KIA.
2013-08-20 01:58:15 PM
1 votes:

ikanreed: Do you still call it a gas pedal?


They're phasing out those terms and calling them the deceleratrix and velocitator.
2013-08-20 01:11:02 PM
1 votes:

wingnut396: Tricky Chicken: Holy Crap!  The Tesla website says they have "FREE" charging stations and they are putting them up all around the country.  How the heck can this work? Even if it costs more at first, if you never have to pay to fuel (charge) it, wouldn't this be the lowest cost option over time?

You do it like a drug dealer and get the people hooked first.  Or, they know that there is little infrastructure for the vehicles they are trying to sell.  So build it out so you can sell your cars in more locations.  Once there is large acceptance and penetration, you can start charging or sell off the stations.  There will likely be more competition for charging stations as more and more EVs are on the road.


But if there is a charging station in your town, you get free electrons. The map on their site shows that by next year they will be all over the place. And the 2015 map looks like the US has measles.
2013-08-20 12:55:48 PM
1 votes:

Uranus Is Huge!: Yeah. It's about time those poor, downtrodden, demonized oil companies got their due for all of the great work they fund. Nobody ever gives the oil companies any credit at all, but when there's an environmental disaster, they pony up more cash than anybody. And what do they get in return? Scorn and derision from hippies and a bunch of whining about "clean air" and "global warming". Those billions in tax subsidies are small consolation and richly deserved.

Oil companies - America's real heros


The media treats Tesla just like it treats Obama.  No skepticism.  No criticism.  Just blind support.  Tesla says they got the highest score ever.  What media used to do was investigate that claim, verify it was true.  Now, they just blindly parrot the company's line.

They have an agenda - global warming, electronic-powered cars, green energy.  They are just using Tesla to advance that agenda.  If Tesla and Musk were anti-gay marriage christian conservatives, the media would be complaining 'oh, the cars are too expensive.  They are just one more advantage the super rich has over everyone.  They are only selling a small, insignificant number.  They don't employ that many people because they use robots instead - it could be bad for jobs and unemployment if they get big.'  and any other criticisms they can find.  It is all very petty and transparent.
2013-08-20 12:45:52 PM
1 votes:

Uranus Is Huge!: Nobody ever gives the oil companies any credit at all, but when there's an environmental disaster, they pony up more cash than anybody.


I remember when I was kid, I screwed up and trashed the kitchen really bad.  Flooded that part of the house, ruined the carpet, shorted out the fridge which caused the food to spoil.  Now when I realized what happened, I went all out cleaning it all up.  But you know how it is, the mildew smell never really gets out.  Had to throw out some really good stuffed crabs my deceased grandfather made. Some handmade, family heirloom type things were ruined beyond repair.

But does anybody ever thank me for doing the lion share of the clean up?  Hell no.  All I ever get is how I ruined all this stuff because I wanted to save a few bucks on a washer hose.  I mean, I was looking at the big picture pocketed a few bucks on a cheaper hose instead of the one my dad told me to get!  Its so unfair!
2013-08-20 12:39:08 PM
1 votes:

akula: Explodo: It's hard to even find a belt that's well made anymore.

This is not too difficult. You may just not know how to look for one. Going to regular clothing shops won't get you a decent belt. Try looking online for belts intended for people who concealed-carry a firearm. You'll find many good quality belts at decent prices... thicker material that doesn't sag or stretch. Can't help you regarding your vehicle preferences though.


I have a bit of a gut, will a higher quality belt stop the tops of my pants from rolling over the top of the belt?
2013-08-20 12:31:31 PM
1 votes:
Soon as they make an Ironman-red-and-gold version of the Tesla, I'm buying one.
2013-08-20 12:16:32 PM
1 votes:
Holy Crap!  The Tesla website says they have "FREE" charging stations and they are putting them up all around the country.  How the heck can this work? Even if it costs more at first, if you never have to pay to fuel (charge) it, wouldn't this be the lowest cost option over time?
2013-08-20 12:07:06 PM
1 votes:

Explodo: I love the style of old cars. My goal is always modern mechanicals with old style. I want my interiors to feel like I'm sitting in the 60s but I don't want awful 60s performance.


Lemme get this straight... you brought up the fact that you like old cars because they last and you don't have to replace battery packs for loads of cash, and then you start talking about how you've replaced the original engines in those cars with modern IC engines... for loads of cash.

What exactly was your original point?
2013-08-20 12:04:52 PM
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: plcow:
I work at a major oil company and there are several in the parking lot, and a few I know of who are on waitlist.  Not sure why people think that oil companies care about these.  Does everything HAVE to have a bad guy?

To be fair Carl-Henric Svanberg (Chairman of BP) is basically a Bond villain


So is Elon Musk!
2013-08-20 12:00:06 PM
1 votes:

SlothB77: and it came away with a score that the company characterizes as the highest rating ever received

I like with Tesla, which the media adores, their marketing materials are reprinted as news articles.

I have brief with Elon Musk or Tesla at all.  But, the media just adores them.  Imagine if a company like BP printed materials that said they received the 'highest safety rating ever received'.  Would the media reprint news articles straight from the company website press releases for BP?

The media is artificially propping Tesla up.  They are treating them uniquely.  The media doesn't reprint company press releases as news articles, taking them at their word for every company?  Why only Tesla?  Because it serves their political agenda.  Because it advances the electronic car agenda.  Whatever Tesla says, the media blindly accepts.  They doesn't question it, they aren't skeptical.  Tesla is a for-profit business.  When has the media ever not been skeptical of an evil for-profit business?  The media, with their political agenda and bias, wants certain for-profit businesses like Tesla to succeed over others, like BP.  And they do their part to try to make that happen.


Yeah. It's about time those poor, downtrodden, demonized oil companies got their due for all of the great work they fund. Nobody ever gives the oil companies any credit at all, but when there's an environmental disaster, they pony up more cash than anybody. And what do they get in return? Scorn and derision from hippies and a bunch of whining about "clean air" and "global warming". Those billions in tax subsidies are small consolation and richly deserved.

Oil companies - America's real heros
2013-08-20 10:23:16 AM
1 votes:

Explodo: I'm sure that rating is in no way politically motivated...


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2013-08-20 10:19:50 AM
1 votes:
i prefer the Howard
2013-08-20 10:18:24 AM
1 votes:
I'm sure that rating is in no way politically motivated...
2013-08-20 10:18:05 AM
1 votes:
Because no one actually drives them. They just leave them in their driveways to out-smug the neighborhood's smug Prius drivers.
2013-08-20 10:13:29 AM
1 votes:
It's hard to be unsafe when you can't go anywhere because your battery is out, amirite?!?!
 
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