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2013-08-20 11:23:22 AM
Do I want one? Yes. Especially the model X.

Can I technically afford one? Probably. Assuming I only ever use it to go to work and back and I and my family don't do anything but school/work for a few years.

Can I reasonably afford one? No. And that's the biggest stumbling block.
 
2013-08-20 11:23:26 AM

Explodo: I'm sure that rating is in no way politically motivated...


Quite the opposite.  Politicians owned by the dealership lobby are doing all they can to kill it.
 
2013-08-20 11:25:26 AM
It's apparently a very nice car (compared with other, gas powered, luxury automobiles).  Consumer Reports gave it a road test score of 99 out of 100, for instance.  Of course, you still can't really go on a road trip with it (although they sure are trying to set up charging stations everywhere), but, frankly, 99% of the time you are just going to be driving around town, and it's fine for that.
 
2013-08-20 11:25:38 AM
Wow, no pics yet? and this is one of the sexiest cars out there today.
 
2013-08-20 11:28:37 AM

Tricky Chicken: Wow, no pics yet? and this is one of the sexiest cars out there today.


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2013-08-20 11:35:28 AM

Kimpak: Tricky Chicken: Wow, no pics yet? and this is one of the sexiest cars out there today.

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I know I'm in the minority on this opinion, but I hate all those electric screens in cars.  I like my cars to have high-tech mechanicals and simple interiors.  I like to have gauges that show all the info that I need to know(which you can't really get in most cars).  I don't much care about the radio or even AC.  My wife, on the other hand, loves all those do-dads in the car.  They're just expensive gadgets to have to fix when they break.  Give me a USB port to plug into that's got enough data streaming from the ECU on demand and can handle audio input and I'm happy.  I really wish the OEMs would get behind that.
 
2013-08-20 11:36:00 AM

PrivateCaboose: Voiceofreason01: enik: Because no one actually drives them. They just leave them in their driveways to out-smug the neighborhood's smug Prius drivers.

The difference is that the Prius is a terrible car, it's only real redeeming characteristic is that it's a hybrid. The Tesla on the other hand is an excellent car that's very competitive in it's price range and it's also electric.

What exactly is the price range?


The base model starts at around $65k which is on the pricey side of the 5-series range or around what you'd pay for one of Audi's better models. Fully loaded you're talking M5 or A8 money(sticking with 4 doors). Both of which are easily better cars than the Tesla. Like skozlaw was saying above the novelty of the Tesla's electric drive is an important part of it's value. But the Tesla works as a sports car the Prius includes all of the very worst characteristics of an economy car(small, low power) but without the price(new Prius is 26$K) and for that money why wouldn't I buy a Fusion Hybrid or even a regular Focus/Camry/accord since in the real world they'll end of getting nearly the same mileage as a Prius anyway, especially if you spend much time on the highway?
 
2013-08-20 11:39:22 AM

Kimpak: Voiceofreason01: Shiat, I've seen one around Kansas City and the closest dealer is St. Louis.

I know a guy who owns one in Des Moines.  We're not that far from you.  I'm not sure where he bought it though, I'll have to ask.


Sounds like they're opening a dealer in Kansas City soon so I expect to start seeing more of them. It's a pretty solid 250 miles from Saint Louis to Kansas City so I assume he had it trailered in.
 
2013-08-20 11:42:39 AM

Explodo: My 1965 Nissan Patrol, 1970 Ford Bronco, and 1967 Plymouth Satellite are well past their expiration dates.


And I'm sure your only associated operating costs are gas, oil and brake pads.
 
2013-08-20 11:44:07 AM
if they can get the price down to $20-$30K I would totally buy one.
 
2013-08-20 11:45:32 AM

theorellior: Explodo: My 1965 Nissan Patrol, 1970 Ford Bronco, and 1967 Plymouth Satellite are well past their expiration dates.

And I'm sure your only associated operating costs are gas, oil and brake pads.


I'm pretty sure the 1967 Plymouth Satellite runs on dung chips.  They're very economical, especially if you get the hybrid model with a lever for your passenger to pump.
 
2013-08-20 11:47:43 AM

Explodo: Kimpak: Tricky Chicken: Wow, no pics yet? and this is one of the sexiest cars out there today.

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I know I'm in the minority on this opinion, but I hate all those electric screens in cars.  I like my cars to have high-tech mechanicals and simple interiors.  I like to have gauges that show all the info that I need to know(which you can't really get in most cars).  I don't much care about the radio or even AC.  My wife, on the other hand, loves all those do-dads in the car.  They're just expensive gadgets to have to fix when they break.  Give me a USB port to plug into that's got enough data streaming from the ECU on demand and can handle audio input and I'm happy.  I really wish the OEMs would get behind that.


So, you're basically just going to nay-say anything posted about this car ever. Got it.
 
2013-08-20 11:50:00 AM

Explodo: SkittlesAreYum: Explodo: Unless you're leasing it, or Tesla is going to replace the battery pack for free, it's a car with near 0 resale value due to the fact that once that battery stops putting out as much power it'll cost a fortune to replace the battery pack...at least that's how they've all been so far.

Via the Tesla forum, replacement battery packs cost $30,000, which is nearly half the price of the car.  They also say the batteries are designed to last 10 years.  Well, I'll check in on that in 10 years and see how everyone is doing.  I've never had rechargeable batteries that didn't lose a significant amount of output in considerably less time.  Suddenly your 240 mile range is a 40 mile range and you can plunk down thirty grand to fix it or just buy another one.  Pfft.  I have, however, never dealt with such high-end batteries.  As I said, we'll see.

I prefer to buy things that I can plan to keep indefinitely without having to pay for them again.

When I think of things that keep their resale value, don't require constant maintenance, and run essentially forever, I think of automobiles.

My 1965 Nissan Patrol, 1970 Ford Bronco, and 1967 Plymouth Satellite are well past their expiration dates.


Congratulations, you're the exception.  I'm willing to bet that 3 standard deviations worth of people replace their primary car within 10 years of purchase.
 
2013-08-20 11:50:30 AM

Lumber Jack Off: if they can get the price down to $20-$30K I would totally buy one.


I'm pretty sure every car looks like a good deal if you say "I'd like it to remain exactly as-is, but pay one-third the price."

Tesla doesn't have to crack that market.  Plenty of successful car companies stay in the "luxury" space without having to put out a $20K model.
 
2013-08-20 11:51:41 AM
and it came away with a score that the company characterizes as the highest rating ever received

I like with Tesla, which the media adores, their marketing materials are reprinted as news articles.

I have brief with Elon Musk or Tesla at all.  But, the media just adores them.  Imagine if a company like BP printed materials that said they received the 'highest safety rating ever received'.  Would the media reprint news articles straight from the company website press releases for BP?

The media is artificially propping Tesla up.  They are treating them uniquely.  The media doesn't reprint company press releases as news articles, taking them at their word for every company?  Why only Tesla?  Because it serves their political agenda.  Because it advances the electronic car agenda.  Whatever Tesla says, the media blindly accepts.  They doesn't question it, they aren't skeptical.  Tesla is a for-profit business.  When has the media ever not been skeptical of an evil for-profit business?  The media, with their political agenda and bias, wants certain for-profit businesses like Tesla to succeed over others, like BP.  And they do their part to try to make that happen.
 
2013-08-20 11:52:53 AM
Last time I bought a new car it was going to be the Volt or the Leaf, but I decided to go for an interim car, the Fiat 500c. By the time she's used up I'll be ready for the mature electric car. Tesla or whatever is ready at the time. I do keep my cars a long time, 200k, so it will be a while, enough time for them to get their acts together.
 
2013-08-20 11:53:22 AM

SlothB77: I like

how with Tesla,

SlothB77: I have

no brief with Elon Musk or Tesla at all.

sigh.  my thoughts were coming faster than I could type.
 
2013-08-20 11:55:51 AM

USA Prime Credit Peggy: Explodo: Kimpak: Tricky Chicken: Wow, no pics yet? and this is one of the sexiest cars out there today.

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I know I'm in the minority on this opinion, but I hate all those electric screens in cars.  I like my cars to have high-tech mechanicals and simple interiors.  I like to have gauges that show all the info that I need to know(which you can't really get in most cars).  I don't much care about the radio or even AC.  My wife, on the other hand, loves all those do-dads in the car.  They're just expensive gadgets to have to fix when they break.  Give me a USB port to plug into that's got enough data streaming from the ECU on demand and can handle audio input and I'm happy.  I really wish the OEMs would get behind that.

So, you're basically just going to nay-say anything posted about this car ever. Got it.


No no.  Not at all.  For specific types of driving and pricepoints I think that electric cars are wonderful.  They don't fit my needs.  The interior styling isn't to my taste, but there isn't a current car that is.
 
2013-08-20 11:59:50 AM

chimp_ninja: theorellior: Explodo: My 1965 Nissan Patrol, 1970 Ford Bronco, and 1967 Plymouth Satellite are well past their expiration dates.

And I'm sure your only associated operating costs are gas, oil and brake pads.

I'm pretty sure the 1967 Plymouth Satellite runs on dung chips.  They're very economical, especially if you get the hybrid model with a lever for your passenger to pump.


You know, with mechanical aptitude comes the ability to change things as you see fit.  Want a modern engine in an old car?  Go for it!  Want modern brakes, steering, and suspension?  No problem!  You can change things to be as you'd like them to be.  A '67 Satellite, while being listed as a midsize car, weighs less than a current Challenger does by a lot.

I love the style of old cars.  My goal is always modern mechanicals with old style.  I want my interiors to feel like I'm sitting in the 60s but I don't want awful 60s performance.
 
2013-08-20 11:59:51 AM
Next step. Add induction charging (goes to Wired article on how South Korea is powering it's electric buses)

Goodbye gasoline. Or at least, go sit in the corner gasoline > middle east.
 
2013-08-20 12:00:06 PM

SlothB77: and it came away with a score that the company characterizes as the highest rating ever received

I like with Tesla, which the media adores, their marketing materials are reprinted as news articles.

I have brief with Elon Musk or Tesla at all.  But, the media just adores them.  Imagine if a company like BP printed materials that said they received the 'highest safety rating ever received'.  Would the media reprint news articles straight from the company website press releases for BP?

The media is artificially propping Tesla up.  They are treating them uniquely.  The media doesn't reprint company press releases as news articles, taking them at their word for every company?  Why only Tesla?  Because it serves their political agenda.  Because it advances the electronic car agenda.  Whatever Tesla says, the media blindly accepts.  They doesn't question it, they aren't skeptical.  Tesla is a for-profit business.  When has the media ever not been skeptical of an evil for-profit business?  The media, with their political agenda and bias, wants certain for-profit businesses like Tesla to succeed over others, like BP.  And they do their part to try to make that happen.


Yeah. It's about time those poor, downtrodden, demonized oil companies got their due for all of the great work they fund. Nobody ever gives the oil companies any credit at all, but when there's an environmental disaster, they pony up more cash than anybody. And what do they get in return? Scorn and derision from hippies and a bunch of whining about "clean air" and "global warming". Those billions in tax subsidies are small consolation and richly deserved.

Oil companies - America's real heros
 
2013-08-20 12:00:16 PM

akula: I've seen one around here in the burbs of STL. We don't even have the charging network they're building in the northeast.


A lot of people's use-cases will be covered fine by 240V charging. I have a Leaf, put in a 240V 30A station at the house (about $1000 to buy and $1000 to install), and can charge a typical day's driving in a couple hours, or 0-100% in 4 hours.

Mrs. Anomaly's been driving it lately because she drives more than I, and it saves a bunch of money over the 17MPG minivan ($0.035/mile vs. $0.206/mile).
 
2013-08-20 12:02:50 PM

Explodo: No no.  Not at all.  For specific types of driving and pricepoints I think that electric cars are wonderful.  They don't fit my needs.  The interior styling isn't to my taste, but there isn't a current car that is.


Here's as close as I can get for you.  Subaru WRX STi.  Superboobs have a more minimalist dashboard style than some others.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-20 12:04:24 PM

tricycleracer: Kimpak: Doc Daneeka: I think it's still mostly a toy for the rich at this point.

Pretty much.  It is a luxury car, hence the price.  So only the rich are going to be able to afford the thing anyway.  It being electric doesn't really mean you're saving any money in gas, due to the initial price tag.  Rather, it being electric is going to give you instant torque, which makes for a whole different driving experience.  Hopefully the tech does trickle down to us lowly folk who can only afford $20-30k cars.

But said rich person shopped the Tesla S against a Mercedes S-Class, a BMW 7-Series, and an Audi A8 before purchasing.  It's not like it was down to a Ford Fusion or a Tesla S.  The zero gasoline thing makes it very attractive versus other large luxury cars.


The zero gas thing is attractive so they don't have to touch the gas pump handle that was last used by some dirty plebian in a KIA.
 
2013-08-20 12:04:52 PM

Voiceofreason01: plcow:
I work at a major oil company and there are several in the parking lot, and a few I know of who are on waitlist.  Not sure why people think that oil companies care about these.  Does everything HAVE to have a bad guy?

To be fair Carl-Henric Svanberg (Chairman of BP) is basically a Bond villain


So is Elon Musk!
 
2013-08-20 12:05:23 PM

Stile4aly: Explodo: SkittlesAreYum: Explodo: Unless you're leasing it, or Tesla is going to replace the battery pack for free, it's a car with near 0 resale value due to the fact that once that battery stops putting out as much power it'll cost a fortune to replace the battery pack...at least that's how they've all been so far.

Via the Tesla forum, replacement battery packs cost $30,000, which is nearly half the price of the car.  They also say the batteries are designed to last 10 years.  Well, I'll check in on that in 10 years and see how everyone is doing.  I've never had rechargeable batteries that didn't lose a significant amount of output in considerably less time.  Suddenly your 240 mile range is a 40 mile range and you can plunk down thirty grand to fix it or just buy another one.  Pfft.  I have, however, never dealt with such high-end batteries.  As I said, we'll see.

I prefer to buy things that I can plan to keep indefinitely without having to pay for them again.

When I think of things that keep their resale value, don't require constant maintenance, and run essentially forever, I think of automobiles.

My 1965 Nissan Patrol, 1970 Ford Bronco, and 1967 Plymouth Satellite are well past their expiration dates.

Congratulations, you're the exception.  I'm willing to bet that 3 standard deviations worth of people replace their primary car within 10 years of purchase.


Being the exception, going your own way, can be a pain.  I know I want different things than most people.  I can't buy a new car that doesn't annoy me.  It's hard to even find a belt that's well made anymore.  Everyone plans to replace things soon so everything is made to be replaced.  When I make things, I make them to last.  Unfortunately, that's not the model that the world follows anymore.
 
2013-08-20 12:05:47 PM

Voiceofreason01: It's such a pretty car and the photo they pick is a closeup of the badge?


You are correct.  Allow me to set things right.

www.autoweek.com
 
2013-08-20 12:07:06 PM

Explodo: I love the style of old cars. My goal is always modern mechanicals with old style. I want my interiors to feel like I'm sitting in the 60s but I don't want awful 60s performance.


Lemme get this straight... you brought up the fact that you like old cars because they last and you don't have to replace battery packs for loads of cash, and then you start talking about how you've replaced the original engines in those cars with modern IC engines... for loads of cash.

What exactly was your original point?
 
2013-08-20 12:09:43 PM

theorellior: Explodo: I love the style of old cars. My goal is always modern mechanicals with old style. I want my interiors to feel like I'm sitting in the 60s but I don't want awful 60s performance.

Lemme get this straight... you brought up the fact that you like old cars because they last and you don't have to replace battery packs for loads of cash, and then you start talking about how you've replaced the original engines in those cars with modern IC engines... for loads of cash.

What exactly was your original point?


You can change all the mechanicals in an old car to make it perform like a modern car for less money than a battery pack for a Tesla if you do the work yourself.  At that point, you have a functionally new car that should last for 20-30 more years.
 
2013-08-20 12:09:56 PM

theorellior: Explodo: I love the style of old cars. My goal is always modern mechanicals with old style. I want my interiors to feel like I'm sitting in the 60s but I don't want awful 60s performance.

Lemme get this straight... you brought up the fact that you like old cars because they last and you don't have to replace battery packs for loads of cash, and then you start talking about how you've replaced the original engines in those cars with modern IC engines... for loads of cash.

What exactly was your original point?


He has loads of cash.
 
2013-08-20 12:12:20 PM

SirTanon: Voiceofreason01: It's such a pretty car and the photo they pick is a closeup of the badge?

You are correct.  Allow me to set things right.

[www.autoweek.com image 850x510]


SCHWING!!

I've never seen a DB9 in person, but from what they shoewd on Top Gear, aren't they similar?

Or am I once again completely wrong.

And where can I see a DB9 in person? Around DC
 
2013-08-20 12:12:30 PM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: My boss drives one and I see several on my commute to work.  On any given day I'll see three or four.  I also live right between the Tesla dealership and the Tesla service center.  Draw what conclusions you wish.


You drink orange juice.
 
2013-08-20 12:13:36 PM

plcow: Voiceofreason01: plcow:
I work at a major oil company and there are several in the parking lot, and a few I know of who are on waitlist.  Not sure why people think that oil companies care about these.  Does everything HAVE to have a bad guy?

To be fair Carl-Henric Svanberg (Chairman of BP) is basically a Bond villain

So is Elon Musk!


fair point
 
2013-08-20 12:15:52 PM

Tricky Chicken: SirTanon: Voiceofreason01: It's such a pretty car and the photo they pick is a closeup of the badge?

You are correct.  Allow me to set things right.

[www.autoweek.com image 850x510]

SCHWING!!

I've never seen a DB9 in person, but from what they shoewd on Top Gear, aren't they similar?

Or am I once again completely wrong.

And where can I see a DB9 in person? Around DC


The Tesla strongly resembles a Maserati Quattraporte

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-08-20 12:16:32 PM
Holy Crap!  The Tesla website says they have "FREE" charging stations and they are putting them up all around the country.  How the heck can this work? Even if it costs more at first, if you never have to pay to fuel (charge) it, wouldn't this be the lowest cost option over time?
 
2013-08-20 12:20:17 PM

Voiceofreason01: Tricky Chicken: SirTanon: Voiceofreason01: It's such a pretty car and the photo they pick is a closeup of the badge?

You are correct.  Allow me to set things right.

[www.autoweek.com image 850x510]

SCHWING!!

I've never seen a DB9 in person, but from what they shoewd on Top Gear, aren't they similar?

Or am I once again completely wrong.

And where can I see a DB9 in person? Around DC

The Tesla strongly resembles a Maserati Quattraporte

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x163]


Maybe I'm thinking of one of the Jag models they featured lately.
 
2013-08-20 12:25:22 PM

Explodo: It's hard to even find a belt that's well made anymore.


This is not too difficult. You may just not know how to look for one. Going to regular clothing shops won't get you a decent belt. Try looking online for belts intended for people who concealed-carry a firearm. You'll find many good quality belts at decent prices... thicker material that doesn't sag or stretch. Can't help you regarding your vehicle preferences though.
 
2013-08-20 12:29:45 PM

Voiceofreason01: Tricky Chicken: SirTanon: Voiceofreason01: It's such a pretty car and the photo they pick is a closeup of the badge?

You are correct.  Allow me to set things right.

[www.autoweek.com image 850x510]

SCHWING!!

I've never seen a DB9 in person, but from what they shoewd on Top Gear, aren't they similar?

Or am I once again completely wrong.

And where can I see a DB9 in person? Around DC

The Tesla strongly resembles a Maserati Quattraporte

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x163]


I happened by one on the Beltway a couple weekends ago.  In the new toll lanes right around Rt 7.  Pretty silver color.
 
2013-08-20 12:31:31 PM
Soon as they make an Ironman-red-and-gold version of the Tesla, I'm buying one.
 
2013-08-20 12:37:32 PM

Explodo: You can change all the mechanicals in an old car to make it perform like a modern car for less money than a battery pack for a Tesla if you do the work yourself. At that point, you have a functionally new car that should last for 20-30 more years.


LOL. So we'd probably need to factor in the cost of an engine stand, various blocks, hydraulic jacks, and an assortment of tools into this equation. Not to mention the time it takes to do the work, the time it takes to learn how to do the work properly, the money it costs to correct any mistakes made, the opportunity cost of using garage or driveway square footage, and the time it takes to research exactly which modern engine one would drop into a Satellite and how one would go about doing that. Throw in some machine shop costs because there's no way around that with this kind of work. Now that I've looked at all the factors, I'm sure that's saving loads of time, money and sweat.

I like you. You're funny.
 
2013-08-20 12:39:08 PM

akula: Explodo: It's hard to even find a belt that's well made anymore.

This is not too difficult. You may just not know how to look for one. Going to regular clothing shops won't get you a decent belt. Try looking online for belts intended for people who concealed-carry a firearm. You'll find many good quality belts at decent prices... thicker material that doesn't sag or stretch. Can't help you regarding your vehicle preferences though.


I have a bit of a gut, will a higher quality belt stop the tops of my pants from rolling over the top of the belt?
 
2013-08-20 12:43:57 PM

theorellior: Explodo: You can change all the mechanicals in an old car to make it perform like a modern car for less money than a battery pack for a Tesla if you do the work yourself. At that point, you have a functionally new car that should last for 20-30 more years.

LOL. So we'd probably need to factor in the cost of an engine stand, various blocks, hydraulic jacks, and an assortment of tools into this equation. Not to mention the time it takes to do the work, the time it takes to learn how to do the work properly, the money it costs to correct any mistakes made, the opportunity cost of using garage or driveway square footage, and the time it takes to research exactly which modern engine one would drop into a Satellite and how one would go about doing that. Throw in some machine shop costs because there's no way around that with this kind of work. Now that I've looked at all the factors, I'm sure that's saving loads of time, money and sweat.

I like you. You're funny.


And you know... fuel costs for the next 20 years.
 
2013-08-20 12:45:52 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Nobody ever gives the oil companies any credit at all, but when there's an environmental disaster, they pony up more cash than anybody.


I remember when I was kid, I screwed up and trashed the kitchen really bad.  Flooded that part of the house, ruined the carpet, shorted out the fridge which caused the food to spoil.  Now when I realized what happened, I went all out cleaning it all up.  But you know how it is, the mildew smell never really gets out.  Had to throw out some really good stuffed crabs my deceased grandfather made. Some handmade, family heirloom type things were ruined beyond repair.

But does anybody ever thank me for doing the lion share of the clean up?  Hell no.  All I ever get is how I ruined all this stuff because I wanted to save a few bucks on a washer hose.  I mean, I was looking at the big picture pocketed a few bucks on a cheaper hose instead of the one my dad told me to get!  Its so unfair!
 
2013-08-20 12:46:34 PM

Explodo: theorellior: Explodo: I love the style of old cars. My goal is always modern mechanicals with old style. I want my interiors to feel like I'm sitting in the 60s but I don't want awful 60s performance.

Lemme get this straight... you brought up the fact that you like old cars because they last and you don't have to replace battery packs for loads of cash, and then you start talking about how you've replaced the original engines in those cars with modern IC engines... for loads of cash.

What exactly was your original point?

You can change all the mechanicals in an old car to make it perform like a modern car for less money than a battery pack for a Tesla if you do the work yourself.  At that point, you have a functionally new car that should last for 20-30 more years.


Not everybody knows how to do that stuff. it's nice that you do but most of us don't. I'm a mechanical engineer and I can't do all that stuff.
 
2013-08-20 12:46:53 PM

Doc Daneeka: JerseyTim: Doc Daneeka: drewogatory: JerseyTim: It's hard to be unsafe when you can't go anywhere because your battery is out, amirite?!?!

I see multiple Teslas every day now on my commute, so someone is driving them.

I've only seen one out in the wild so far, and I live in the fairly liberal NYC metro area.

Only seen a couple of Volts for that matter.

There are, however, a shiatload of Priuses.

Now that I think about it, I haven't seen one in the wild. My commute through the Lincoln Tunnel usually involves a shiatton luxury automobiles, multiple Porsches and the occasional Maserati and Ferrari.  I have seen a bunch of Volts lately.

/wants the Model X

The one Model S I did see was when I happened to be driving through a residential neighborhood in a very upscale town in Westchester.

I think it's still mostly a toy for the rich at this point.


I know one person with one. She's a bookkeeper for a plumbing company.
 
2013-08-20 12:48:17 PM

Tricky Chicken: SirTanon: Voiceofreason01: It's such a pretty car and the photo they pick is a closeup of the badge?

You are correct.  Allow me to set things right.

[www.autoweek.com image 850x510]

SCHWING!!

I've never seen a DB9 in person, but from what they shoewd on Top Gear, aren't they similar?

Or am I once again completely wrong.

And where can I see a DB9 in person? Around DC


You're right.. they do look _somewhat_ similar.  The DB9 is actually just about my favorite car - period.  So let's have a look.

Tesla Model S:
oi40.tinypic.com

Aston Martin DB9:
3.bp.blogspot.com

...yeah, one is reminiscent of the other, but seeing them side-by-side, not really as close as I thought.  It's the front grill that does it.

Still, both beautiful cars.
 
2013-08-20 12:48:48 PM

Tricky Chicken: Holy Crap!  The Tesla website says they have "FREE" charging stations and they are putting them up all around the country.  How the heck can this work? Even if it costs more at first, if you never have to pay to fuel (charge) it, wouldn't this be the lowest cost option over time?


You do it like a drug dealer and get the people hooked first.  Or, they know that there is little infrastructure for the vehicles they are trying to sell.  So build it out so you can sell your cars in more locations.  Once there is large acceptance and penetration, you can start charging or sell off the stations.  There will likely be more competition for charging stations as more and more EVs are on the road.
 
2013-08-20 12:50:16 PM

Explodo: Unless you're leasing it, or Tesla is going to replace the battery pack for free, it's a car with near 0 resale value due to the fact that once that battery stops putting out as much power it'll cost a fortune to replace the battery pack...at least that's how they've all been so far.

Via the Tesla forum, replacement battery packs cost $30,000, which is nearly half the price of the car.  They also say the batteries are designed to last 10 years.  Well, I'll check in on that in 10 years and see how everyone is doing.  I've never had rechargeable batteries that didn't lose a significant amount of output in considerably less time.  Suddenly your 240 mile range is a 40 mile range and you can plunk down thirty grand to fix it or just buy another one.  Pfft.  I have, however, never dealt with such high-end batteries.  As I said, we'll see.

I prefer to buy things that I can plan to keep indefinitely without having to pay for them again.


You have absolutely no idea whatsoever what you are talking about.
 
2013-08-20 12:52:35 PM

akula: IIRC, the estimates for things like a Prius battery pack was in the neighborhood of $10,000 and 100K miles of life, and current prices are far lower while lifespan being much higher. Here's a bit of actual numbers on how the hybrid batteries have done. I imagine the battery packs in BEVs will end up being pretty similar:


They'll actually do even better, due to better chemistries these days.  Tests show that the latest generation of EV batteries will be good for at least 3000 cycles.  If you do the math, that's over 600,000 miles.  There are like maybe 2 volvos in the world that have lasted that long.
 
2013-08-20 12:54:15 PM

Explodo: They don't fit my needs


Then your opinion on the matter is irrelevant and you should feel free to stop trolling and GTFO.
 
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