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2013-08-20 10:05:26 AM
It's such a pretty car and the photo they pick is a closeup of the badge?
 
2013-08-20 10:10:40 AM
WANT!
 
2013-08-20 10:11:03 AM
The Tesla S may be regarded as one of the most important cars in history in a few decades - the Model T of the modern electric.

It's the first electric to gain any kind of mainstream acceptance, and will only fuel the level consumer demand and refinements necessary to bring down manufacturing costs.

/who am I kidding... the oil companies will squish it in a year or two
//and salt the earth
 
2013-08-20 10:11:56 AM

Voiceofreason01: It's such a pretty car and the photo they pick is a closeup of the badge?


It's really derivative of Maserati styling though.  That's nitpicking, of course.  It would just be nicer to see unique designs.
 
2013-08-20 10:13:29 AM
It's hard to be unsafe when you can't go anywhere because your battery is out, amirite?!?!
 
2013-08-20 10:14:09 AM

clkeagle: The Tesla S may be regarded as one of the most important cars in history in a few decades - the Model T of the modern electric.

It's the first electric to gain any kind of mainstream acceptance, and will only fuel the level consumer demand and refinements necessary to bring down manufacturing costs.

/who am I kidding... the oil companies will squish it in a year or two
//and salt frack the earth


FTFY
 
2013-08-20 10:16:23 AM

Glitchwerks: Voiceofreason01: It's such a pretty car and the photo they pick is a closeup of the badge?

It's really derivative of Maserati styling though.  That's nitpicking, of course.  It would just be nicer to see unique designs.


"Oh no! My girlfriend looks like Cameron Diaz"

/I'll get over it :-)
 
2013-08-20 10:16:27 AM

JerseyTim: It's hard to be unsafe when you can't go anywhere because your battery is out, amirite?!?!


I see multiple Teslas every day now on my commute, so someone is driving them.
 
2013-08-20 10:18:05 AM
Because no one actually drives them. They just leave them in their driveways to out-smug the neighborhood's smug Prius drivers.
 
2013-08-20 10:18:24 AM
I'm sure that rating is in no way politically motivated...
 
2013-08-20 10:19:50 AM
i prefer the Howard
 
2013-08-20 10:20:13 AM

Explodo: I'm sure that rating is in no way politically motivated...


And without any evidence to prove such a claim, the amount of political motivation is limited only by your imagination!
 
2013-08-20 10:20:43 AM
 
2013-08-20 10:21:01 AM

drewogatory: JerseyTim: It's hard to be unsafe when you can't go anywhere because your battery is out, amirite?!?!

I see multiple Teslas every day now on my commute, so someone is driving them.


Exactly.
 
2013-08-20 10:22:13 AM

drewogatory: JerseyTim: It's hard to be unsafe when you can't go anywhere because your battery is out, amirite?!?!

I see multiple Teslas every day now on my commute, so someone is driving them.


I've only seen one out in the wild so far, and I live in the fairly liberal NYC metro area.

Only seen a couple of Volts for that matter.

There are, however, a shiatload of Priuses.
 
2013-08-20 10:23:16 AM

Explodo: I'm sure that rating is in no way politically motivated...


depletedcranium.com
 
2013-08-20 10:23:18 AM

enik: Because no one actually drives them. They just leave them in their driveways to out-smug the neighborhood's smug Prius drivers.


The difference is that the Prius is a terrible car, it's only real redeeming characteristic is that it's a hybrid. The Tesla on the other hand is an excellent car that's very competitive in it's price range and it's also electric.
 
2013-08-20 10:25:00 AM

IntertubeUser: WANT!


Since it's release, the Model S has been in the top 3 of my list of things to buy if I should ever win the lottery.
 
2013-08-20 10:25:20 AM

Doc Daneeka: drewogatory: JerseyTim: It's hard to be unsafe when you can't go anywhere because your battery is out, amirite?!?!

I see multiple Teslas every day now on my commute, so someone is driving them.

I've only seen one out in the wild so far, and I live in the fairly liberal NYC metro area.

Only seen a couple of Volts for that matter.

There are, however, a shiatload of Priuses.


Now that I think about it, I haven't seen one in the wild. My commute through the Lincoln Tunnel usually involves a shiatton luxury automobiles, multiple Porsches and the occasional Maserati and Ferrari.  I have seen a bunch of Volts lately.

/wants the Model X
 
2013-08-20 10:31:52 AM

JerseyTim: Doc Daneeka: drewogatory: JerseyTim: It's hard to be unsafe when you can't go anywhere because your battery is out, amirite?!?!

I see multiple Teslas every day now on my commute, so someone is driving them.

I've only seen one out in the wild so far, and I live in the fairly liberal NYC metro area.

Only seen a couple of Volts for that matter.

There are, however, a shiatload of Priuses.

Now that I think about it, I haven't seen one in the wild. My commute through the Lincoln Tunnel usually involves a shiatton luxury automobiles, multiple Porsches and the occasional Maserati and Ferrari.  I have seen a bunch of Volts lately.

/wants the Model X


I live in Bumfark, Mississippi, and there is a woman in town who owns a Tesla.
 
2013-08-20 10:32:01 AM

clkeagle: The Tesla S may be regarded as one of the most important cars in history in a few decades - the Model T of the modern electric.

It's the first electric to gain any kind of mainstream acceptance, and will only fuel the level consumer demand and refinements necessary to bring down manufacturing costs.

/who am I kidding... the oil companies will squish it in a year or two
//and salt the earth


I work at a major oil company and there are several in the parking lot, and a few I know of who are on waitlist.  Not sure why people think that oil companies care about these.  Does everything HAVE to have a bad guy?
 
2013-08-20 10:33:41 AM

JerseyTim: Doc Daneeka: drewogatory: JerseyTim: It's hard to be unsafe when you can't go anywhere because your battery is out, amirite?!?!

I see multiple Teslas every day now on my commute, so someone is driving them.

I've only seen one out in the wild so far, and I live in the fairly liberal NYC metro area.

Only seen a couple of Volts for that matter.

There are, however, a shiatload of Priuses.

Now that I think about it, I haven't seen one in the wild. My commute through the Lincoln Tunnel usually involves a shiatton luxury automobiles, multiple Porsches and the occasional Maserati and Ferrari.  I have seen a bunch of Volts lately.

/wants the Model X


The one Model S I did see was when I happened to be driving through a residential neighborhood in a very upscale town in Westchester.

I think it's still mostly a toy for the rich at this point.
 
2013-08-20 10:36:18 AM
plcow:
I work at a major oil company and there are several in the parking lot, and a few I know of who are on waitlist.  Not sure why people think that oil companies care about these.  Does everything HAVE to have a bad guy?

To be fair Carl-Henric Svanberg (Chairman of BP) is basically a Bond villain
 
2013-08-20 10:38:55 AM
Unless you're leasing it, or Tesla is going to replace the battery pack for free, it's a car with near 0 resale value due to the fact that once that battery stops putting out as much power it'll cost a fortune to replace the battery pack...at least that's how they've all been so far.

Via the Tesla forum, replacement battery packs cost $30,000, which is nearly half the price of the car.  They also say the batteries are designed to last 10 years.  Well, I'll check in on that in 10 years and see how everyone is doing.  I've never had rechargeable batteries that didn't lose a significant amount of output in considerably less time.  Suddenly your 240 mile range is a 40 mile range and you can plunk down thirty grand to fix it or just buy another one.  Pfft.  I have, however, never dealt with such high-end batteries.  As I said, we'll see.

I prefer to buy things that I can plan to keep indefinitely without having to pay for them again.
 
2013-08-20 10:39:15 AM

JerseyTim: /wants the Model X


I'll take the rumored Model S AWD.
 
2013-08-20 10:39:57 AM

JerseyTim: Doc Daneeka: drewogatory: JerseyTim: It's hard to be unsafe when you can't go anywhere because your battery is out, amirite?!?!

I see multiple Teslas every day now on my commute, so someone is driving them.

I've only seen one out in the wild so far, and I live in the fairly liberal NYC metro area.

Only seen a couple of Volts for that matter.

There are, however, a shiatload of Priuses.

Now that I think about it, I haven't seen one in the wild. My commute through the Lincoln Tunnel usually involves a shiatton luxury automobiles, multiple Porsches and the occasional Maserati and Ferrari.  I have seen a bunch of Volts lately.

/wants the Model X


I've seen one around here in the burbs of STL. We don't even have the charging network they're building in the northeast. Nice looking car.

I tend to agree that this thing is likely to be the car that starts shifting people's perceptions of BEVs. They still aren't for everybody, but for the first time it's an actual practical sedan that will work for families.

Still not likely to buy one, but I'm glad to see Tesla gaining traction. Hopefully they can keep it going and keep getting prices to drop.
 
2013-08-20 10:42:08 AM

Doc Daneeka: drewogatory: JerseyTim: It's hard to be unsafe when you can't go anywhere because your battery is out, amirite?!?!

I see multiple Teslas every day now on my commute, so someone is driving them.

I've only seen one out in the wild so far, and I live in the fairly liberal NYC metro area.

Only seen a couple of Volts for that matter.

There are, however, a shiatload of Priuses.


I live in Newport Beach, which helps explain it. There's a dealer at the farking mall and a service center a couple miles away in Costa Mesa.
 
2013-08-20 10:42:56 AM
Of course they're safe.  No one can afford it.
 
2013-08-20 10:43:48 AM

Explodo: Via the Tesla forum, replacement battery packs cost $30,000, which is nearly half the price of the car.  They also say the batteries are designed to last 10 years.  Well, I'll check in on that in 10 years and see how everyone is doing.  I've never had rechargeable batteries that didn't lose a significant amount of output in considerably less time.  Suddenly your 240 mile range is a 40 mile range and you can plunk down thirty grand to fix it or just buy another one.  Pfft.  I have, however, never dealt with such high-end batteries.  As I said, we'll see.


Gotta say, right now I'm not too worried about the battery angle. That was a major concern when the hybrids started coming out. As it turns out, the batteries last longer than anybody predicted and the battery packs are less expensive to rework/replace than anticipated. When you don't keep going from 100% to 0% charge and back again (as we tend to do with consumer electronic devices), the batteries last longer.

IIRC, the estimates for things like a Prius battery pack was in the neighborhood of $10,000 and 100K miles of life, and current prices are far lower while lifespan being much higher. Here's a bit of actual numbers on how the hybrid batteries have done. I imagine the battery packs in BEVs will end up being pretty similar:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/assault-on-battery-three-early-hybrid-e ne rgy-storage-fears-that-never-materialized/
 
2013-08-20 10:43:59 AM

Doc Daneeka: drewogatory: JerseyTim: It's hard to be unsafe when you can't go anywhere because your battery is out, amirite?!?!

I see multiple Teslas every day now on my commute, so someone is driving them.

I've only seen one out in the wild so far, and I live in the fairly liberal NYC metro area.

Only seen a couple of Volts for that matter.

There are, however, a shiatload of Priuses.


Chicago metro, and I see them almost every time I have to do any serious driving.  They do look a lot like Audi, the new Jaguars, etc.
 
2013-08-20 10:45:05 AM

Voiceofreason01: The Tesla on the other hand is an excellent car that's very competitive in it's price range


Except if you split the benefits of the powerplant out like that and keep them separate it's not competitive. At a $63k post-rebate BASE price it starts out with a sticker near the top of the mid-range luxury cars it competes with and gets stomped on the performance tests against most of them in everything but a sprint to 60. And at well north of $100k for a sporty version with proper handling and performance you're talking about a vehicle that's starting to try and compete in a category with GT cars.

The Tesla S is only competitive if you consider the unique benefits of the powerplant in the comparison. Which is only fair. You can't arbitrarily exclude bits of the car when talking about how it sizes up to the competition.
 
2013-08-20 10:46:36 AM
Somebody around here has a black Tesla S. I sometimes wonder if it's the same person who drives the black Rolls Royce.
 
2013-08-20 10:46:56 AM

Explodo: Unless you're leasing it, or Tesla is going to replace the battery pack for free, it's a car with near 0 resale value due to the fact that once that battery stops putting out as much power it'll cost a fortune to replace the battery pack...at least that's how they've all been so far.

Via the Tesla forum, replacement battery packs cost $30,000, which is nearly half the price of the car.  They also say the batteries are designed to last 10 years.  Well, I'll check in on that in 10 years and see how everyone is doing.  I've never had rechargeable batteries that didn't lose a significant amount of output in considerably less time.  Suddenly your 240 mile range is a 40 mile range and you can plunk down thirty grand to fix it or just buy another one.  Pfft.  I have, however, never dealt with such high-end batteries.  As I said, we'll see.

I prefer to buy things that I can plan to keep indefinitely without having to pay for them again.


Studies have shown the batteries in the roadster are performing better than expected.

So if you buy the car at 240 mile range, then after 100k miles, you'll be getting just over the 200 mile range.  I don't think their resale value is going to be all that concerning when they finally start hitting the used car lots.  By that time, I would expect the battery prices to have dropped significantly, anyway.  As a bonus, the battery swap stations Musk wants to put in place should provide a steady stream of inventory for a used battery market.
 
2013-08-20 10:50:48 AM
I've seen at least 2 during morning rush heading from St. Pete to Tampa, so yeah, not just a toy.
 
2013-08-20 10:56:28 AM
ITT: people who irrationally despise everything about electric cars and get all hot and bothered that one might actually prove popular, accessible and practical.
 
2013-08-20 10:59:43 AM
My boss drives one and I see several on my commute to work.  On any given day I'll see three or four.  I also live right between the Tesla dealership and the Tesla service center.  Draw what conclusions you wish.
 
2013-08-20 11:00:32 AM

plcow: I work at a major oil company and there are several in the parking lot, and a few I know of who are on waitlist. Not sure why people think that oil companies care about these. Does everything HAVE to have a bad guy?


Since Teslas charge on mains power, and fracking technology has North America sitting on a natural gas reserve of at least 150 years, the smart money is on energy companies being more than happy to shift from overseas oil extraction to domestic gas production.
 
2013-08-20 11:02:31 AM
This because a car that is never driven is incredibly safe, right?

/No danger of degloving.
 
2013-08-20 11:04:53 AM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: My boss drives one and I see several on my commute to work.  On any given day I'll see three or four.  I also live right between the Tesla dealership and the Tesla service center.  Draw what conclusions you wish.


Shiat, I've seen one around Kansas City and the closest dealer is St. Louis.
 
2013-08-20 11:07:18 AM

Doc Daneeka: I think it's still mostly a toy for the rich at this point.


Pretty much.  It is a luxury car, hence the price.  So only the rich are going to be able to afford the thing anyway.  It being electric doesn't really mean you're saving any money in gas, due to the initial price tag.  Rather, it being electric is going to give you instant torque, which makes for a whole different driving experience.  Hopefully the tech does trickle down to us lowly folk who can only afford $20-30k cars.
 
2013-08-20 11:09:05 AM

Explodo: Unless you're leasing it, or Tesla is going to replace the battery pack for free, it's a car with near 0 resale value due to the fact that once that battery stops putting out as much power it'll cost a fortune to replace the battery pack...at least that's how they've all been so far.

Via the Tesla forum, replacement battery packs cost $30,000, which is nearly half the price of the car.  They also say the batteries are designed to last 10 years.  Well, I'll check in on that in 10 years and see how everyone is doing.  I've never had rechargeable batteries that didn't lose a significant amount of output in considerably less time.  Suddenly your 240 mile range is a 40 mile range and you can plunk down thirty grand to fix it or just buy another one.  Pfft.  I have, however, never dealt with such high-end batteries.  As I said, we'll see.

I prefer to buy things that I can plan to keep indefinitely without having to pay for them again.


When I think of things that keep their resale value, don't require constant maintenance, and run essentially forever, I think of automobiles.
 
2013-08-20 11:09:05 AM

Voiceofreason01: enik: Because no one actually drives them. They just leave them in their driveways to out-smug the neighborhood's smug Prius drivers.

The difference is that the Prius is a terrible car, it's only real redeeming characteristic is that it's a hybrid. The Tesla on the other hand is an excellent car that's very competitive in it's price range and it's also electric.


What exactly is the price range?
 
2013-08-20 11:09:10 AM

plcow: Not sure why people think that oil companies care about these.


This.

Every single claim of the "Miracle Carburetor" or "Engine Mileage Extender" uses the Big Oil excuse when the product fails to perform. Big Oil could give a shiat less about Tesla and every other alternate energy car out there because oil isn't all about gasoline.
 
2013-08-20 11:10:13 AM

Voiceofreason01: Shiat, I've seen one around Kansas City and the closest dealer is St. Louis.


I know a guy who owns one in Des Moines.  We're not that far from you.  I'm not sure where he bought it though, I'll have to ask.
 
2013-08-20 11:10:31 AM

Kimpak: Doc Daneeka: I think it's still mostly a toy for the rich at this point.

Pretty much.  It is a luxury car, hence the price.  So only the rich are going to be able to afford the thing anyway.  It being electric doesn't really mean you're saving any money in gas, due to the initial price tag.  Rather, it being electric is going to give you instant torque, which makes for a whole different driving experience.  Hopefully the tech does trickle down to us lowly folk who can only afford $20-30k cars.


But said rich person shopped the Tesla S against a Mercedes S-Class, a BMW 7-Series, and an Audi A8 before purchasing.  It's not like it was down to a Ford Fusion or a Tesla S.  The zero gasoline thing makes it very attractive versus other large luxury cars.
 
2013-08-20 11:12:14 AM

JerseyTim: Doc Daneeka: drewogatory: JerseyTim: It's hard to be unsafe when you can't go anywhere because your battery is out, amirite?!?!

I see multiple Teslas every day now on my commute, so someone is driving them.

I've only seen one out in the wild so far, and I live in the fairly liberal NYC metro area.

Only seen a couple of Volts for that matter.

There are, however, a shiatload of Priuses.

Now that I think about it, I haven't seen one in the wild. My commute through the Lincoln Tunnel usually involves a shiatton luxury automobiles, multiple Porsches and the occasional Maserati and Ferrari.  I have seen a bunch of Volts lately.

/wants the Model X


The model X looks awesome. Would pre-order if I had the money
 
2013-08-20 11:12:18 AM
the model s is a hobby compared to actual consumer production.

20 thousand tesla model s per year versus 30 thousand per month just for the prius c.

it is a toy/fetish for the rich. congratulate yourselves for owning one.
 
2013-08-20 11:14:46 AM
I like the things I read about it as time goes on, but yeah it's still a rich person's toy. Maybe in another 25-30 years there will be an EV ready for someone who works for a living.
 
2013-08-20 11:20:35 AM

SkittlesAreYum: Explodo: Unless you're leasing it, or Tesla is going to replace the battery pack for free, it's a car with near 0 resale value due to the fact that once that battery stops putting out as much power it'll cost a fortune to replace the battery pack...at least that's how they've all been so far.

Via the Tesla forum, replacement battery packs cost $30,000, which is nearly half the price of the car.  They also say the batteries are designed to last 10 years.  Well, I'll check in on that in 10 years and see how everyone is doing.  I've never had rechargeable batteries that didn't lose a significant amount of output in considerably less time.  Suddenly your 240 mile range is a 40 mile range and you can plunk down thirty grand to fix it or just buy another one.  Pfft.  I have, however, never dealt with such high-end batteries.  As I said, we'll see.

I prefer to buy things that I can plan to keep indefinitely without having to pay for them again.

When I think of things that keep their resale value, don't require constant maintenance, and run essentially forever, I think of automobiles.


My 1965 Nissan Patrol, 1970 Ford Bronco, and 1967 Plymouth Satellite are well past their expiration dates.
 
2013-08-20 11:21:38 AM

tricycleracer: But said rich person shopped the Tesla S against a Mercedes S-Class, a BMW 7-Series, and an Audi A8 before purchasing.  It's not like it was down to a Ford Fusion or a Tesla S.  The zero gasoline thing makes it very attractive versus other large luxury cars.


Good point.

If it were me though, I'd still go with any of those other 3.  But that's just like, my opinion man.
 
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