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(Yahoo)   PA appeals court rules that maybe, just maybe, a judge should have given a widow a hearing before ordering her $300k home sold to satisfy a $6.30 "late fee" on her property taxes   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 100
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2013-08-20 10:24:15 AM
Leavitt said the stateSupreme Court has "emphasized that due process under both the United States andPennsylvania Constitutions must be satisfied whenever the government subjects a citizen's property to forfeiture for nonpayment of taxes."

Well, just "find" a couple of joints in the house and they can take it, no questions asked. No due process, problem solved.
 
2013-08-20 10:48:35 AM
Article: $280,000 home

Headline: $300k home

It's amazing what they did to this woman's half-million dollar home. I don't think she'll be able to afford to buy a similar $1 million house like that after all this.
 
2013-08-20 10:49:51 AM
This state is f*cked up,
 
2013-08-20 10:58:51 AM
If you have to pay the state every year for perpetuity, do you really own your home?

/trick etymological question
 
2013-08-20 11:01:30 AM

Donnchadha: Article: $280,000 home

Headline: $300k home

It's amazing what they did to this woman's half-million dollar home. I don't think she'll be able to afford to buy a similar $1 million house like that after all this.


Rounding is acceptable in a headline.

Now if they would just give her the full taxable value of her home as compensation she could go out and get twice the home she had. But as a widow I don't know why she would, but she would have enough money to get out of that hell hole.
 
2013-08-20 11:13:05 AM
Oh don't worry, I'm sure the judge will face some very stiff penalties for this action.
 
2013-08-20 11:13:27 AM
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!

Oh wait, she's white?
 
2013-08-20 11:13:30 AM
Was this trip necessary, a-holes?
 
2013-08-20 11:13:53 AM

InfrasonicTom: Oh don't worry, I'm sure the judge will face some very stiff penalties for this action.


And so will his buddy that wanted the house.....
 
2013-08-20 11:14:38 AM
I will gladly loan her 7 bucks
 
2013-08-20 11:15:34 AM
they want their $2.00 $6.30!
 
2013-08-20 11:17:31 AM
I'm guessing the judge in question didn't think it was possible for a home in Aliquippa to be worth $280k.  Or, for that matter, $6.30.
 
2013-08-20 11:18:41 AM
Yes, but if they worked with her and took that $6 bucks, they wouldn't able to redistribute her property for $300,000
 
2013-08-20 11:19:59 AM
Hold on, I got about tree-fiddy.
 
2013-08-20 11:20:52 AM

InfrasonicTom: Oh don't worry, I'm sure the judge will face some very stiff penalties for this action.


He'll probably end up like Ray Gricar.
 
2013-08-20 11:23:04 AM
$300k in aliquippa?  i guess i didn't see that part of town when i went there
 
PJ-
2013-08-20 11:23:28 AM
I just don't understand why people don't get all shooty when this stuff happens.  If someone took my home for the equivalent of $6.30, you best believe some people better sleep with one eye open, gripping the pillows tiiiight, CAUSE I'M GOING IN DRY!!!
 
2013-08-20 11:24:22 AM
FTFA: The $6.30 penalty was added to her tax bill in 2009, which grew with interests and costs to $235 by late 2011, when the home was sold at auction.

A a $6.30 penalty turn into a $235.00 penalty due to interest and costs in the course of 2 years? That's farking criminal.
 
2013-08-20 11:24:32 AM

doyner: If you have to pay the state every year for perpetuity, do you really own your home?

/trick etymological question


Paying for perpetuity? Really?

It's a simple legal question: Who has superior title to the property, the one who had the property taken away, or the one who took the property away? If the one who took the property away did not have superior title, that's theft.

On a side note, this is why you should go big if you decide to steal. Steal $200 million, the government makes you pay $65 million in fines and you're home-free.  Steal $6.30, and the government sells your house. Yeah, "for the people", sure, riiiiiiiight.
 
2013-08-20 11:28:04 AM
"An attorney for Lewis offered to settle the dispute last year for $160,000 from Battisti."

What sort of asshole do you have to be to consider this an "offer"? "I 'bought' your $280k home for $110k, which you haven't received a penny of, but how about I 'sell' it back to you for $160k and we'll call it even."

If you're going to scam an old lady out of $50k, at least pretend to be a Nigerian prince.
 
2013-08-20 11:33:49 AM

doyner: If you have to pay the state every year for perpetuity, do you really own your home?

/trick etymological question


You don't have to pay taxes if you reject the fictitious business name the government assigned to you on your birth certificate.
 
2013-08-20 11:34:20 AM
CSB Time:

The last place I lived I paid the property taxes on my car but transposed 2 numbers for the cents, wrote 36 instead of 63 on the check.  2 months later a county deputy shows up at my door with a summons for unpaid taxes.  Which I could pay with no additional fees.   They probably spent $300 to recover $.27.   Great use of taxpayer dollars!

/CSB
 
2013-08-20 11:36:44 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: CSB Time:

The last place I lived I paid the property taxes on my car but transposed 2 numbers for the cents, wrote 36 instead of 63 on the check.  2 months later a county deputy shows up at my door with a summons for unpaid taxes.  Which I could pay with no additional fees.   They probably spent $300 to recover $.27.   Great use of taxpayer dollars!

/CSB


Well they could have towed and impounded your car. They would have made a pretty penny then. I think you should be happy with the outcome you got.
 
2013-08-20 11:38:04 AM
poor lady can kiss that house goodbye. Voice of experience, here.
 
2013-08-20 11:40:53 AM
Some buddy of the judge must really want that house.
 
2013-08-20 11:43:34 AM

Arkanaut: Hold on, I got about tree-fiddy.


Shortest. Kickstarter. Ever.
 
2013-08-20 11:44:29 AM

clancifer: PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!

Oh wait, she's white?


My elite special forces unit, attached to the Fark Independent™ Free Army's Personal Responsibility Brigade ("The Fighting Bootstraps"), is tactically capable of assaulting even old white ladies with an overpowering barrage of helpful explanations of how it'd never happen to me because I've got personal responsibility.

Observe:

DoBeDoBeDo: The last place I lived I paid the property taxes on my car but transposed 2 numbers for the cents, wrote 36 instead of 63 on the check.


You are worse than Hitler and will burn in hell for all eternity.
 
2013-08-20 11:48:06 AM
I say we give the judge the same treatment he and other judges give all who come in front of them for crimes.. no leniency. He should go to jail and for the maximum allowed time under the law to "show an example".
 
2013-08-20 11:52:04 AM

rumpelstiltskin: doyner: If you have to pay the state every year for perpetuity, do you really own your home?

/trick etymological question

You don't have to pay taxes if you reject the fictitious business name the government assigned to you on your birth certificate.


I laugh every time a Freeman on the Land get tazered into a crying puddle of piss.
 
2013-08-20 11:53:46 AM
And people think they own their homes.
 
2013-08-20 11:54:54 AM

LazarusLong42: "An attorney for Lewis offered to settle the dispute last year for $160,000 from Battisti."

What sort of asshole do you have to be to consider this an "offer"? "I 'bought' your $280k home for $110k, which you haven't received a penny of, but how about I 'sell' it back to you for $160k and we'll call it even."

If you're going to scam an old lady out of $50k, at least pretend to be a Nigerian prince.


This used to happen a lot in the county for whose Court I used to work.  People would bid absurb amounts at tax auctions like $1 trillion for properties put up for auction because of tax liens of a few thousand dollars or less.  Why? becuase the  way the system works, you only owe the country the  full amount of your bid IF you sell the property at auction, otherwise you only have to pay the back property tax, and then you get a lein and the RIGHT to sell the house at auction.   So these people would bid these insane amounts to get the right to the lein, be out of pocket a few hundred or thousand dollars and then start sending threatening letters to the homeowner saying the property was gonna be sold unless they coughed up some huge amount (usually the amount they could get out of a second mortgage).

The scam fell apart when it got some publicity and the homeowners knew to look up the results of the tax lien auction.  At that point they realized that IF the guy sold the house he'd owe the county some billion-odd dollars, and so it was an empty theat and basically a stranger had just paid their taxes for them.

However it did fark up the ability to sell/re-finance the house, so eventually the country stepped in a put a stop to the whole thing..
 
2013-08-20 11:55:22 AM
Money grubbin' widows and their $300k homes. What? No Nigerian Prince has called upon her to help him spirit dad's money out of Nigeria? Has no relative bled her dry with sob story after sob story? What of the spoiled grandchildren? Do they not have Wiis and Xboxes aplenty at her expense? And her daughters? Did they not fail at their careers in hair cutting, medical transcriptionist and or interstate truck driver and require monetary support until they find themselvess or land a husband better than that Dan who was a drinker and gambler only after the nuptials? Has she not heard "Oh dear grandmother, the cellular company charged by the text? How was I to know such a thing? Look at this bill and weep with me grandmother."

No wonder the state had to step in. What if she had slipped the surly bonds of life thinking that she was well treated throughout? How could she appreciate heaven and all it's glory had the state not pummeled her with legal documents, writs and liens?
 
2013-08-20 12:00:47 PM
worth 280k in western PA?  Must've been some nice natural gas below it.
 
2013-08-20 12:02:09 PM

PJ-: I just don't understand why people don't get all shooty when this stuff happens.  If someone took my home for the equivalent of $6.30, you best believe some people better sleep with one eye open, gripping the pillows tiiiight, CAUSE I'M GOING IN DRY!!!


They do.  There was an article in the last week or so where a guy shot up a town council meeting because they were taking his property.  I think he killed 2 or 3 people. (also in PA)
 
2013-08-20 12:03:55 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: $300k in aliquippa?  i guess i didn't see that part of town when i went there


Maybe the siding is actually sttel plating and the windows are bullet proof glass. THEN MAYBE, I could see it being worth $280k in 'quippa.
 
2013-08-20 12:06:05 PM

SilentStrider: This state legal system is populated with farking nitwits, top to bottom and is f*cked up,

FTFY
 
2013-08-20 12:10:20 PM

show me: Leavitt said the stateSupreme Court has "emphasized that due process under both the United States andPennsylvania Constitutions must be satisfied whenever the government subjects a citizen's property to forfeiture for nonpayment of taxes."

Well, just "find" a couple of joints in the house and they can take it, no questions asked. No due process, problem solved.


Wh... what? People are this stupid, aren't they?
 
2013-08-20 12:12:53 PM
A western Pennsylvania woman whose $280,000 home was sold at auction over $6.30 in unpaid interest won a court decision Monday allowing her a fresh opportunity to argue she should not lose her home.

Every American should be proud of their justice system if it only takes three court decisions to settle a $6.30 fine.
 
2013-08-20 12:14:06 PM
Wow just wow. I have no words for this. Whatever laws make it legal to steal anyone's home for any reason whatsoever under the guise of "government" needs to stop. Property ownership is one of the basic foundations of a free society. Two mail notices about a 6 dollar late fee is enough cause to lose your paid for house? We are really ok with this. Obviously they are in PA since nobody is doing anything about it and it would be the same in any state I'm sure. I'm simply stunned
 
2013-08-20 12:14:23 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: show me: Leavitt said the stateSupreme Court has "emphasized that due process under both the United States andPennsylvania Constitutions must be satisfied whenever the government subjects a citizen's property to forfeiture for nonpayment of taxes."

Well, just "find" a couple of joints in the house and they can take it, no questions asked. No due process, problem solved.

Wh... what? People are this stupid, aren't they?


Are you suggesting drug law doesn't allow for this kind of action?
 
jgi
2013-08-20 12:14:24 PM
Home "ownership" indeed.
 
2013-08-20 12:14:43 PM
Moochin war widows...
 
2013-08-20 12:15:18 PM
I was wondering where the Blockbuster executives went.
 
2013-08-20 12:15:44 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Wh... what? People are this stupid, aren't they?


Umm..that is a true statement. Happens every single day. Asset forfeiture is another hideous governmental erosion of our rights we seem to be ok with.
 
2013-08-20 12:20:47 PM
I'm glad she wasn't facing an HOA or she would be on the street by now for $6.30,
 
2013-08-20 12:21:28 PM

rumpelstiltskin: doyner: If you have to pay the state every year for perpetuity, do you really own your home?

/trick etymological question

You don't have to pay taxes if you reject the fictitious business name the government assigned to you on your birth certificate.


I'd say you were Kent Hovind, but he's in federal prison for saying exactly that.  You and your dumbass "sovereign citizen" ilk are part of the reason that I can see cause for gun control.
 
2013-08-20 12:26:18 PM

doyner: If you have to pay the state every year for perpetuity, do you really own your home?

/trick etymological question


I know its a trick question, but I'll give it a shot anyway:
The annual payment isn't for the property, its for the maintenance of the road that lets you get to the property, and all the other services provided to the property (fire dept, police, etc). If you would rather not pay for those services, you are free to move to a location where everyone buys them for themselves on the free market.

/I hear there are no property taxes in Somalia.
 
2013-08-20 12:34:27 PM
I hope she doesn't lose her $320k home

/nice jorb
 
2013-08-20 12:34:55 PM

Donnchadha: Article: $280,000 home

Headline: $300k home

It's amazing what they did to this woman's half-million dollar home. I don't think she'll be able to afford to buy a similar $1 million house like that after all this.


Do I smell vinegar and water?
 
2013-08-20 12:36:03 PM
Government should have to collect like any other creditor. Stealing your home is bullshiat.
 
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