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(Opposing Views)   Remember that firefighter-slash-pastor who was introduced to Mr. Stun Gun after waving to his friendly neighborhood cops? Well, authorities investigated the incident and found no wrongdoing by the police involved   (opposingviews.com) divider line 106
    More: Followup, Nick Clegg, attitude change, misconduct, firefighters, traffic stops, Police Chief Billy Bolin  
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2013-08-20 10:43:05 AM  
Dude tried to call the mayor to get out of a ticket for running a stop sign?  Right there during the process?  What a jackass.
 
2013-08-20 10:43:40 AM  
durr, police chief, not mayor.
 
2013-08-20 10:49:49 AM  
So wait let me get this straight:

The guy ran a stop sign
The cops stopped him
He was a dick about stuff, didn't answer their questions, and kept making phone calls while they talked to him

...and he didn't just get arrested? They brandished but did not use a nonlethal weapon... and he's mad about that?
 
2013-08-20 11:06:34 AM  
This story is possibly the ultimate fark conundrum.  Do you hate on the cyclist who ran the red light, applaud the cops who pulled him over for it?  Or do you hate on the cop who pulled a taser on a guy?  Or, do you hate on a cop who let a fireman off easy?
 
2013-08-20 11:20:28 AM  
He looked pretty intimidating.

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-20 11:23:34 AM  
Well.  Glad that's cleared up, then.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-20 11:25:00 AM  
Great example of "if there isn't a rule against this there should be."
 
2013-08-20 11:28:11 AM  
Sounds all pretty reasonable to me.
 
2013-08-20 11:28:53 AM  
DWB in Indiana?  He's lucky he's alive, honestly.

/There's a reason the Cols are in the "South" division
 
2013-08-20 11:29:00 AM  
Cops don't think cops did anything wrong? WHAT?!? That's incredibly shocking, especially after the past 20-30 years of exactly that happening in almost every case of alleged police misconduct. If I promise never to call the police for any reason whatsoever, can I investigate any allegations of wrongdoing on my part instead of them? I promise to put just as much care into my internal investigations as the police do. Honest.
 
2013-08-20 11:30:14 AM  
So does the "/" key not work on Submitter's keyboard?
 
2013-08-20 11:30:49 AM  
Of course there was no wrong doing by the police.  I mean, the guy was black, right?
 
2013-08-20 11:30:58 AM  

serial_crusher: This story is possibly the ultimate fark conundrum.  Do you hate on the cyclist who ran the red light, applaud the cops who pulled him over for it?  Or do you hate on the cop who pulled a taser on a guy?  Or, do you hate on a cop who let a fireman off easy?


You forgot about the media's clear bias when it comes to cops/bikes/firemen/tasers/guns.
 
2013-08-20 11:34:32 AM  

serial_crusher: This story is possibly the ultimate fark conundrum.  Do you hate on the cyclist who ran the red light, applaud the cops who pulled him over for it?  Or do you hate on the cop who pulled a taser on a guy?  Or, do you hate on a cop who let a fireman off easy?


Another cyclist who thinks laws don't apply to him?

Shocking.
 
2013-08-20 11:35:01 AM  
www.lolbrary.com
 
2013-08-20 11:35:02 AM  
Unless their boss has a beef with them, cops get away with everything. The get a few weeks training and then the license to eat donuts and fire bullets and electricity at people with impunity, I thought that was common knowledge.
 
2013-08-20 11:35:24 AM  
Being black while blacking the black black.
 
2013-08-20 11:35:26 AM  
He had a taser pointed at him, this is the complaint?  You're not following instructions from a cop and the cop doesn't tase you and you want him disciplined?  Am I taking crazy pills?
 
2013-08-20 11:35:34 AM  
so the policeman is called Jason Clegg, and that automatically generates a subtag of Nick Clegg... leader of the UK Liberal Democrats.

some of the tags are funnier than the headlines. not in this case though
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-20 11:36:31 AM  

trappedspirit: He had a taser pointed at him, this is the complaint?  You're not following instructions from a cop and the cop doesn't tase you and you want him disciplined?  Am I taking crazy pills?


yes
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-20 11:37:33 AM  

Lady J: so the policeman is called Jason Clegg, and that automatically generates a subtag of Nick Clegg... leader of the UK Liberal Democrats.


And Corporal Clegg... and his wooden leg.

//From the war
///in 1944
 
2013-08-20 11:37:48 AM  

Lady J: so the policeman is called Jason Clegg, and that automatically generates a subtag of Nick Clegg... leader of the UK Liberal Democrats.

some of the tags are funnier than the headlines. not in this case though


Did he have a wooden leg?
 
2013-08-20 11:38:22 AM  
Ha! Internal investigation.
All right officer, did you use too much force?

No.

OK, case closed.
 
2013-08-20 11:41:00 AM  
This whole exchange comes to:

"I tried to grab his phone away from him and he moved away.  It was a threat so I pointed a weapon at him and handcuffed him."

You don't need to escalate this by taking his phone away from him.  He ran a stop sign (ON A BIKE, its not like he was a threat to anyone but his own stupid ass) write him a ticket and move on.  If he won't take it I guess you can arrest him, but if you're not planning on DOING that don't pull a dangerous weapon on him and force him to comply for some inane shiat.
 
2013-08-20 11:41:54 AM  
I honestly don't know who I'm pissed at, so I'm just going to rage in the vague direction of Indiana for five minutes.

www.freedomsphoenix.com

/hot
 
2013-08-20 11:42:04 AM  
In his complaint, Madison told department investigators he felt Clegg was angry and aggressive, that Clegg said unprofessional things and that he felt intimidated by the officer, Police Sgt. Jason Cullum said.

Isn't this the general job description of the police in the United States?

Police need to keep on doing this, so it is not only people in the lower socioeconomic that know that cops can be very capable of pulling evil bullshiat.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-20 11:42:51 AM  

mike_d85: I honestly don't know who I'm pissed at, so I'm just going to rage in the vague direction of Indiana for five minutes.

[www.freedomsphoenix.com image 385x238]

/hot


we farking suck so much usually we deserve to be raged at for something.
 
2013-08-20 11:43:07 AM  
We had cops pull guns on us for skating in a parking lot one night. We just left and skated somewhere else. This guy sounds like a pussy.
 
2013-08-20 11:43:53 AM  
shocker!
 
2013-08-20 11:46:39 AM  

serial_crusher: This story is possibly the ultimate fark conundrum.  Do you hate on the cyclist who ran the red light, applaud the cops who pulled him over for it?  Or do you hate on the cop who pulled a taser on a guy?  Or, do you hate on a cop who let a fireman off easy?


Fano is the Alexander the Great to the Fark Gordian Knot for this kind of thing. They can all die in a fire.
 
2013-08-20 11:46:44 AM  

Deep Contact: Ha! Internal investigation.
All right officer, did you use too much force?

No.

OK, case closed.


as if!

internal investigating person: hey Jason! good to see you buddy! have a beer!
jason clegg: really? I had a couple at lunch.
internal investigating person: dude we gotta make this look good. we ain't going nowhere for a coupla hours
jason clegg: oh ok then
internal investigating person: so did you see the game?

etc
 
2013-08-20 11:47:27 AM  
So I'm guessing if these cops homes catch fire the fire dept is going to take their sweet time getting there, stop at every light, stop to get a few kittys out of trees on the way.
 
2013-08-20 11:47:42 AM  
If Barack Obama had a brother, he'd look like this guy....
 
2013-08-20 11:48:25 AM  
wow, Madison handled that really well and reasonably
 
2013-08-20 11:51:59 AM  
DNRTFA, but then its from opposing views so I'm probably as well informed as the rest of.
 
2013-08-20 12:01:21 PM  
He preaches firefighter slash? What a perv.
 
2013-08-20 12:02:30 PM  
I'm getting sick of that site, a pop up comes out after like 30 seconds and I've scrolled down reading.  Once you x it out it shoots you back up to the top.
 
2013-08-20 12:03:51 PM  

serial_crusher: This story is possibly the ultimate fark conundrum.  Do you hate on the cyclist who ran the red light, applaud the cops who pulled him over for it?  Or do you hate on the cop who pulled a taser on a guy?  Or, do you hate on a cop who let a fireman off easy?


Well as I see it, fark hates cops, hates cyclists, and hates pastors. So that puts it two hates on one side and one hate on the other. I predict that the majority of posts will be against Reverend Two-Wheeler.
 
2013-08-20 12:06:28 PM  

unlikely: So wait let me get this straight:

The guy ran a stop sign
The cops stopped him
He was a dick about stuff, didn't answer their questions, and kept making phone calls while they talked to him

...and he didn't just get arrested? They brandished but did not use a nonlethal weapon... and he's mad about that?


Maybe I'm missing something here, but if this is the whole story I agree.
 
2013-08-20 12:08:41 PM  
If I ever get into an altercation with the police I wonder if they'll let me investigate my actions and clear myself of any wrong doing. In the event that I find I did do something wrong, I promise that I'll give myself 30 days paid vacation as punishment.
 
2013-08-20 12:14:03 PM  
To those who say fark is a hate site for cops, true enough.  So is reddit, I don't think slashdot users exactly love them either although that is not their site is about.

Can you show me a non-police website that loves police?

I am interested and would to get your input.

\The funny thing, many police websites put up firewalls up block non-police members.  I wonder why?
 
2013-08-20 12:15:01 PM  
You missed an important part of the description, subby. He was a  firefighter-slash-pastor-slash-bicyclist. Stunning is too good for him.
 
2013-08-20 12:15:15 PM  

wxboy: So does the "/" key not work on Submitter's keyboard?


You're misreading the headline, he's part of a Guns and Roses cover band.
 
2013-08-20 12:16:02 PM  
Finally, they asked me if I had calmed down, and I kept telling them I was never out of sorts.
 
2013-08-20 12:16:09 PM  
Cop haters are reaching a new level of stupid every day. It's pretty obvious the guy isn't being fully truthful. First it was they pulled him over because he waved at them, then later admitted they did have a legit reason. If a cop pulls you over and you refuse to talk to them and make phone calls instead, they absolutely will take your phone away. If you try and physically stop them, then you can expect a tasing. They didn't even hurt the guy, they showed him the taser and have him plenty of time to comply. There are plenty of times even cops get way too aggressive way too fast. This wasn't one off those times. And him thinking he's above the law because he's a firefighter is just stupid. Professional courtesy means they're more likely to let you get away with a minor victimless violation (which they did). Not be a disrespectful douche who throws around the "Do you know who I am!?" Card
 
2013-08-20 12:17:07 PM  

kbronsito: Finally, they asked me if I had calmed down, and I kept telling them I was never out of sorts.


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2013-08-20 12:19:08 PM  
My take on this:

In most industries, 'preponderance of the evidence' is all the standard necessary to be disciplined or fired from your job.  However, this can be altered for jobs such as union work, government work, and legal work.  Police often qualify under all three.

1.  I don't have figures, but I believe that at least a large minority of police are unionized.  When unionization reaches a certain percentage, it tends to distort even non-union positions.
2.  It's very much government work.  Due process before being fired and all that
3.  So much of what police do is perfectly legal if it's within 'the line of duty', and a felony if they aren't.  As a result, there's a tendency to require conviction levels of proof - 'beyond a reasonable doubt' as opposed to the lesser preponderance standard.  Internal Affairs tends to mislabel stuff 'no wrongdoing' when they should really say 'not guilty'.

Note that 1-3 helps explain what's going on, not that I agree with it.  There needs to be more of a shift towards accountability, a 'above even the appearance of guilt' standard, or at least looking at 'preponderance'.

Lastly, not all organizations fall to this trap - there are ones that discipline officers early, cut loose the ones that are shaping up to be bad apples, etc...  Trick is, we never hear about these departments on the news.  Officers that end up in the news for stuff like this, much less murdering innocents, tend to be ones with OOMs more disciplinary issues.  An officer that kills somebody in the line of duty is OOMs more likely to do it again.

It's not that an officer with a big binder of disciplinary infractions can't be a good officer on the whole, but it means that a lot more attention needs to be paid to him to make sure he is a good officer - and that he should be cut loose if he isn't.
 
2013-08-20 12:21:39 PM  
Being black, he obviously doesn't know to interact with the police. He should immediately cower, bulge his eyes out, and say in a wailing high pitched voice, "Don't beat me massa."
 
2013-08-20 12:24:04 PM  
I was all set to be outraged until I read it was a bicyclist.
 
2013-08-20 12:25:28 PM  

oryx: Being black, he obviously doesn't know to interact with the police. He should immediately cower, bulge his eyes out, and say in a wailing high pitched voice, "Don't beat me massa."


Based on the show "Cops" I thought it was start running away at top speed, throwing shiat out of your pockets in all directions, screaming "I 'aint done nuthin'!".
 
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