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(Arizona Daily Independent)   Talk of retiring the A-10 Warthog spurs effort to save it. Still say it looks like a Puma   (arizonadailyindependent.com) divider line 28
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2013-08-20 10:04:30 AM  
8 votes:

antidisestablishmentarianism: Retiring the bestest plane evar? What will replace it?


Lockheed Martin has assured me that the F-35 will be able to handle all responsibilities of the A-10, and will do it with an invisibility cloak and loiter time of 20+ hours.
2013-08-20 10:04:34 AM  
7 votes:
Chupathingy.
2013-08-20 09:54:43 AM  
6 votes:
Giving them to local police.
2013-08-20 10:42:53 AM  
3 votes:

Warthog: This thread is relevant to my interests.


You better not f*cking retire!
2013-08-20 10:08:43 AM  
3 votes:
It's a flying tank. that flies. HOW CAN YOU RETIRE THAT??
2013-08-20 01:14:58 PM  
2 votes:
Would you P-51 vs. A-10 dogfight guys just stop?  The A-10 would simply ram the P-51 and fly through the other side.  Dogfight over.   The A-10 is, after all, the aircraft that has a titanium bathtub surrounding the pilot, to help ward off battle damage.  Back in the late 80's I swear I read an account of an A-10 flying through an apartment block in Germany, with the pilot surviving the crash without bailing out (can't find the story online now, though).  What other airplane not only flies through buildings but also lets the occupant (of the plane) survive?
2013-08-20 12:29:52 PM  
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-08-20 12:27:18 PM  
2 votes:
My fun A-10 story.

While working with my dad building a bridge in SC, we'd often get straffed by A-10's from the now closed Myrtle Beach AFB.  Usually between 9:30am - 10:30am, a pair of A-10's would sneak up on us flying a couple hundred feet above the marsh grass and if you were not paying attention, they'd scare the bejeebus out of you.

Knowing the A-10's were doing training using our bridge as target practice on their camera guns, I started anticipating and hiding behind stuff like "the crane" or "the bridge pilings" or "front end loader" and I'd see the planes approaching and a the last minute, raise a 2x4 or shovel to my shoulder and play like I was shooting at the planes.

All hell would break loose.  The pilots had themselves a live target and would bank, climb, swerve and do what ever they could to get a shot on me.

I'd love to have one of those camera photos locked away in the basement of the Pentagon of me getting shot to hell.

Good times.
2013-08-20 10:19:36 AM  
2 votes:

error 303: Chupathingy.


So unless anybody has any more mythical creatures to suggest as a name for the new vehicle, we're gonna stick with: the Warthog. How about it, Grif?
2013-08-20 10:19:30 AM  
2 votes:
The problem with the A-10 is it's kinda like using a sledge hammer to smash things.

The F-35 is better suited because it's like using some kind of complex advanced technolicical thingy that doesn't work because it'd too valuable to use to smash things.
2013-08-20 10:16:38 AM  
2 votes:

belhade: It's a flying tank. that flies. HOW CAN YOU RETIRE THAT??


It's a gun with wings. and an engine.

The same man who looked at the GAU-8 and said "Make this gun fly", is the same guy who was carrying a howitzer in a C-130 and said to himself "Let's shoot at targets on the ground with this howitzer, by aiming it out the farking window!"
2013-08-20 10:06:38 AM  
2 votes:
I remember driving between Phoenix and Tucson one sunny day, in my bright red Pontiac. Off in the distance, two specs flying and getting closer and closer. A couple of seconds later, two A-10s screamed nearly overhead.

Nothing like being target practice.

/cool plane
//I'm a confirmed kill
2013-08-20 04:08:29 PM  
1 votes:

mbillips: costermonger: mbillips: 1. The A-10 has very low survivability in a contested air environment. It's a Stuka. If there's effective CAP or even good SAM defenses on a target, the A-10 can't attack it.

That's always been true though. Was true of the Skyraider before it. Korea was probably the last time CAS aircraft could take on enemy fighters (mostly because they were fighters themselves, 5-6 years removed) without being totally suicidal. The advent of AAMs and SAMs ended those days.

Not true. The A-7D replaced the Skyraiders in Vietnam, was just as capable, and the Air Force lost only 6 of them in 13,000 sorties, partly because the A-7 could handle MiG-19s and SAMs. The A-10 was a completely unnecessary program, in that it did nothing that the A-7 couldn't do; the Air Force just didn't want to use a "Navy" aircraft.


Yeah, but a Corsair has a mouth like a TFette getting ready to say 'thank you' to the guy who just gifted her a 12 month subscription.  Your argument is invalid.

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2013-08-20 12:45:04 PM  
1 votes:

slayer199: belhade: It's a flying tank. that flies. HOW CAN YOU RETIRE THAT??

There really is no better plane for CAS (though you could argue that helicopters can do the job).

Seriously, the A-10 is built around a ridiculous gun that can cut through tanks like butter....and has a great record for survivability.  I highly doubt that the F-35 or any other plan could survive as well as the A-10.
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2013-08-20 12:43:27 PM  
1 votes:
Sorry folks, the A-10 just does not have high enough marks in redistribution of wealth.
It has gotta go.
2013-08-20 12:14:59 PM  
1 votes:
With a Warthog you never have to ask "Will it blend?"
2013-08-20 11:19:46 AM  
1 votes:
F-35 development:

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2013-08-20 11:13:18 AM  
1 votes:

duffblue: A10 is the coolest plane ever. That is all.


Hrm. Coolest modern attack plane? Yes.

Coolest plane ever?

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Here it is. Looking at you.
2013-08-20 10:55:14 AM  
1 votes:

Egoy3k: I must be missing something here the A-10 is a extremely effective aircraft and has proven it's worth about a thousand times over. The only possible drawback is the main gun is goddamned expensive to operate.  The thing is the only thing an F-35 can use in place of the A-10's main gun are JDAMs and JSOWs which cost a fortune. Each.


True, In Afghanistan, outside the cities all houses are built like fortresses with thick rammed earth walls.  The locals have been at war with each other since before Alexander the Great came through the area. The A-10's 30mm is the only gun that reliably can punch through these walls.  So the F-16 must use a JDAM, or Paveway (JSOWs are usually only used against heavily anti-air defended targets).  It also takes a HELL of a lot more money to support a F-16 in theater than an A-10. The A-10 just needs gas and ammo.  (I'm not even going to talk about the F-35 as it is still just vaporware)

Click Click D'oh: The sad thing is, the A-10s days are truly numbered. Yes, they replaced all the inner gizmos and upgraded the whole fleet to A-10C status, but wing cracks from low altitude high G flying are not going away.. and there's only so many A-10 wings out there. It will have to be replaced eventually.


As for it's age.  It isn't much older than the F-16 and is a lot easier to repair (my brother works on the F-16).  A few years ago, I was talking to an A-10 flight line mechanic and was told that they can replace every part of the A-10... Including the wing spar.  The TF34 engines are the same used by most small airlines, CF-34.  So parts are available and now days they have better versions that get better gas mileage.  A while back they were having problems getting replacement gun parts but that problem seems to have been solved.  When it is all said and done the DM bone yard monkeys can keep the A-10 flying as long as they can still buy 6061-T6 aluminum, pop rivets and bubble gum.
2013-08-20 10:46:06 AM  
1 votes:

ceebeecates4: With all these GEDs in military procurement and logistics management, we can keep the Thunderbolt II flying for 30 years!  After all, all one has to do is waltz down to Fairchild Republic and pick up a few spare parts!  Maintaining an obsolete aircraft that has the RCS of a barn and the thermal signature of the sun worked really well for the Iranians, and that's why their F-14 fleet is the best in the world!  After all, we're still facing the dangers of columns of soviet T-72s about to push through the Fulda gap, and MANPADS are far too expensive for any potential enemy to afford.

/Nostalgia has no place in weapon systems.


Want to know how I know you're a know-nothing idiot posting from your mom's basement?
2013-08-20 10:43:56 AM  
1 votes:
With all these GEDs in military procurement and logistics management, we can keep the Thunderbolt II flying for 30 years!  After all, all one has to do is waltz down to Fairchild Republic and pick up a few spare parts!  Maintaining an obsolete aircraft that has the RCS of a barn and the thermal signature of the sun worked really well for the Iranians, and that's why their F-14 fleet is the best in the world!  After all, we're still facing the dangers of columns of soviet T-72s about to push through the Fulda gap, and MANPADS are far too expensive for any potential enemy to afford.

/Nostalgia has no place in weapon systems.
2013-08-20 10:32:16 AM  
1 votes:
Serious question,,
Annual cost of ownership and hourly costs on one of these beauts?
Finally put those P51 guys in place.
2013-08-20 10:30:51 AM  
1 votes:
This thread is relevant to my interests.
2013-08-20 10:27:13 AM  
1 votes:

Plant Rights Activist: stop making up animals


No, no. It does look like a puma.

From the top of a crevice.
2013-08-20 10:12:51 AM  
1 votes:
A waste, seeing as how it wasn't long ago the planes were upgraded to have a service life that was to last till 2028.


clkeagle: The Pentagon needs to figure out whatever stupid rule prevents the Army from possessing these and revoke it.


They didn't want it. Even the USAF was hesitant to take it at first, because both branches believed high speed and a slick-looking aircraft would be the most effective. Even still, there isn't a rule that says "only  one branch can have an aircraft of a certain design", so there is nothing to "revoke".


Also, subby, nice RvB reference.(skip to 1:30)
2013-08-20 10:10:25 AM  
1 votes:

vygramul: In other news, the Air Force doesn't like the CAS mission and would just as soon not have it at all.


That's really dangerous stuff. You could put your life at risk doing that.

If I was going to do it, I'd want to do it in a Warthog.

Hack Patooey: T-Servo: antidisestablishmentarianism: Retiring the bestest plane evar? What will replace it?

Lockheed Martin has assured me that the F-35 will be able to handle all responsibilities of the A-10, and will do it with an invisibility cloak and loiter time of 20+ hours.

With rainbows shooting out its ass, no doubt.


Don't forget Unicorn Fart Micro-Thermobarics.

Unless that thing has Star Wars repulsors or some other physics defying lift surfaces, it'll be lucky to be as good at CAS as the F-104.
2013-08-20 10:08:41 AM  
1 votes:
Tried this before right before the Gulf War, saying the F-16 could handle the A-10s' duties. After the Gulf War, suddenly the USAF loved the A-10 again.
2013-08-20 10:05:19 AM  
1 votes:

T-Servo: antidisestablishmentarianism: Retiring the bestest plane evar? What will replace it?

Lockheed Martin has assured me that the F-35 will be able to handle all responsibilities of the A-10, and will do it with an invisibility cloak and loiter time of 20+ hours.


With rainbows shooting out its ass, no doubt.
 
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