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(Arizona Daily Independent)   Talk of retiring the A-10 Warthog spurs effort to save it. Still say it looks like a Puma   (arizonadailyindependent.com) divider line 300
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2013-08-20 10:57:48 AM  

Just_a_Bear: Love the design concept for the A-10.  "Here, take this huge gun and wrap an airplane around it.  Ktksbye."


A while back, some guy was building a roughly 55% scale flying version of the A-10, using two ducted fans instead of jet engines.  Don't think he ever finished it, but it would be an interesting airplane to fly around in.

You could, of course, build a predecessor of the A-10 if you were so inclined, it's WWII namesake, the P-47 Thunderbolt, but if you were going to do that, you'd probably get more pilot cred flying a scale Spitfire or Mustang.
 
2013-08-20 10:58:05 AM  
Here's a thought, you knuckle dragging farkwits in DC....

GIVE THEM BACK TO THE FARKING AIR GUARDS.

/good friend was an A-10 pilot for the CT AG
//THIS IS WHERE WE'D PUT OUR A-10S.... IF WE HAD ANY.i.imgur.com
/I have a lot of great stories, but I'm still bitter about them taking the screamin' hogs away.
 
2013-08-20 10:58:19 AM  
Are people really biatching that the A-10 is 30 years old throw it away? Do people not know how old the B-52 is?
 
2013-08-20 10:58:33 AM  

Warthog: Also:

THIS:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x525]

With two engines, 13 hard points carrying almost every weapon in the Air Force arsenal, and a 7 barrel Vulcan cannon spewing 1,174 rounds of depleted uranium, beats this:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 763x599]

with one engine, only six hard points which can can carry a more limited number of air to ground weapons, and a wimpy internal four barrel gun with only 180 rounds (or the wimpy external gun pod with about 300 rounds shown).


That...is one ugly assed F-35.  Nothing will ever top the Warthog, nothing.  And yes, it is, in fact, the AK of combat aviation.  It's the very best there is. When you absolutely, positively, got to kill every motherfarker in the target zone; accept no substitutes.
 
2013-08-20 10:58:37 AM  

MonoChango: As for it's age. It isn't much older than the F-16 and is a lot easier to repair (my brother works on the F-16).


Well yes, but the F-16s in service now aren't the original F-16s, and there are new ones being built every day.  An A-10 hasn't been built in a long time, and the ones in service aren't getting any younger.
 
2013-08-20 10:58:45 AM  

belhade: It's a flying tank. that flies. HOW CAN YOU RETIRE THAT??


There really is no better plane for CAS (though you could argue that helicopters can do the job).

Seriously, the A-10 is built around a ridiculous gun that can cut through tanks like butter....and has a great record for survivability.  I highly doubt that the F-35 or any other plan could survive as well as the A-10.
www.ww2aircraft.net
simhq.com
blogs.defensenews.com
 
2013-08-20 11:00:05 AM  

Kentucky Fried Children: Just wanted to agree with the majority opinion here that retiring the A-10 for the boondoggle F-35 is sheer lunacy (and a nice money grab for Lockheed) - but I also wanted to point out some serious derp dribbling from that "article"

"Davis Monthan Air Force Base became an economic stalwart for the community of Tucson ever since a progressive congressman called for a boycott of his own state in protest of the state's immigration laws. Tucson, now the sixth poorest metropolitan area in the country, has come to rely on the A-10 as desperately as the warriors on the ground. The base has come under attack by progressives who prefer the very low skill, low paying tourism jobs that Grijalva's boycott wiped out."

lol, wut?  Where is the initial reference to Grijalva?  What the hell does this have to do with federal funding of a military base?

/Arizona newspapers appear to be the equivalent of some poor-mans Breibart blog


That part got me too... as a liberal progressive who supports the A-10 remaining in the fleet, I was confused by the injection of politics into what should be a tactical/strategy discussion... then I was even more confused that the "conservative" guy is attacking "progressives" for NOT using big government to prop up the Tucson economy.
 
2013-08-20 11:00:49 AM  
CSB:

There's a particular sandbar I used to camp all the time that was close to a National Guard base.

I'd usually be woken up on Saturday mornings by A-10s screaming overhead at treetop level, practicing attack runs.

It always made camping there a totally awesome experience. Good times, good times.

/CSB
 
2013-08-20 11:01:32 AM  
The one time I saw an A-10 fly was north of Annapolis near the bay bridge. I was there for an event and I hear this jet flying from the south. I have seen plenty of fighters since Patuxent navel air sation is down south. But I got a great view of the A-10, it was flying low and slow made some tight turns. It was amazing to watch. Did get to see a harrier and an osprey land at the pentagon years later, but I was still more impressed with the A-10
 
2013-08-20 11:03:20 AM  

Click Click D'oh: ceebeecates4:  Maintaining an obsolete aircraft that has the RCS of a barn and the thermal signature of the sun worked really well for the Iranians, and that's why their F-14 fleet is the best in the world!  After all, we're still facing the dangers of columns of soviet T-72s about to push through the Fulda gap, and MANPADS are far too expensive for any potential enemy to afford.

You know, the A-10 has survived quite well in a couple wars with a high threat environment from MANPADS and AAA... And if you knew anything about the plane, you would know that it's design masks it's IR signature from the ground.


Only after vigorous suppression of enemy air defenses sorties from actually useful planes (F-16s et al).  The whole advantage of using a low observable plane is that you don't have to have such a huge support network to get a job done.  Additionally,  The A-10 is not theB-52.  The B-52 is highly unusual with its longevity; its not hard to simply a be a flying truck with 8 jet engines and a payload of 60,000lbs.  Everyone sees these videos of a-10s letting their big gun roar and b-52 dropping (or launching) a shiateton of ordinance.  Few people see (orappreciate) the actual work that is required when deploying indefensible aircraft.
 
2013-08-20 11:03:42 AM  

LemSkroob: Because there is a Congressmen somewhere who has a factory in his district and there is an election coming up.


Elections? Bah...

- F-35 Caucus Member Congressman Michael McCaul (R-TX) owns between $350,000 and $750,000 in stock in the parent company of Pratt & Whitney.
- F-35 Caucus Member Congressman Kenny Marchant (R-TX) over $11,000 in stock with Northrop Grumman, over $5,000 in stock with Lockheed Martin, and over $5,000 in stock with the parent company of Pratt & Whitney.
- F-35 Caucus Member Congressman Richard Hanna (R-NY) owns up to $50,000 in stock with Lockheed Martin, and up to $15,000 in stock with the parent company of Pratt & Whitney.
- Congressman Norm Dicks (D-WA), whose campaign committee is a top recipient of F-35 contractor cash, is helping to lead the F-35 Caucus along with Congresswoman Kay Granger (R-TX).
 
2013-08-20 11:04:38 AM  
This guy flew one

media.scout.com

Because he got to big to fly a fighter.
 
2013-08-20 11:06:00 AM  

fluffy2097: antidisestablishmentarianism: Retiring the bestest plane evar? What will replace it?

Nothing. Nothing can. The F35 is lightly armored, has low weapons load and is designed for combat at stand off ranges, and it's gun has a pidddling 1200 rounds.

During desert storm A-10's expended all their ordinance during missions. That's like 6 laser guided bombs, 4 2000 pound dumb bombs, and 3 maverick missiles. (in addition to being able to carry rockets, and cluster bombs).  And like 20,000 rounds of GAU-8 ammo. oh, and titanium armor for the pilot and critical systems.

The A-10 also has triple redundant flight system. dual hydraulic  systems, and cable controls.

The warthog brings home pilots in situations where there is really no logical reason why it would be capable of flying. A female A-10 pilot got hit over Iraq, lost almost all flight control and then proceeded to write the book on flying a wounded A-10 on differential thrust alone. She landed back at base safely.


they must have figured a way to leave her brass ovaries at the bar for safe keeping. no way the plane could get in the air with them and a full load of ordnance.
 
2013-08-20 11:06:06 AM  
<blockquote>One woman posted, "My husband saved a few of our men while flying this plane.....KEEP OUR A-10!" Another wrote, "have not heard of anything we have in the air that can support our ground troops the way an A-10 Hog can. We are ran now by Dumb and DUMBER!" </blockquote>

oh dearie...
 
2013-08-20 11:07:06 AM  
clkeagle:  why not scrap the F-35 contracts, buy twice as many new F-16s and A-10s,

Man Power.
Twice as many F-16's means twice as many pilots.  Each officer in the military cost millions of dollars over their life, between: pay, housing, training, retirement, lifetime medical care.  Drones are great because they can use an enlisted kid that is trained for a few months and is out after a few years without incurring too much retirement costs.  But sometimes they need a aircraft on the scene with a smart dude behind the stick.  They would rather have as few of them as possible.  If they can also line Lockheed's pockets while they do this, this just secures their consulting job after they leave the Pentagon.
 
2013-08-20 11:08:25 AM  

Kentucky Fried Children: Just wanted to agree with the majority opinion here that retiring the A-10 for the boondoggle F-35 is sheer lunacy (and a nice money grab for Lockheed) - but I also wanted to point out some serious derp dribbling from that "article"

"Davis Monthan Air Force Base became an economic stalwart for the community of Tucson ever since a progressive congressman called for a boycott of his own state in protest of the state's immigration laws. Tucson, now the sixth poorest metropolitan area in the country, has come to rely on the A-10 as desperately as the warriors on the ground. The base has come under attack by progressives who prefer the very low skill, low paying tourism jobs that Grijalva's boycott wiped out."

lol, wut?  Where is the initial reference to Grijalva?  What the hell does this have to do with federal funding of a military base?

/Arizona newspapers appear to be the equivalent of some poor-mans Breibart blog


I saw that too... Had to check the url again. Yokels.
 
2013-08-20 11:10:01 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: T-Servo: antidisestablishmentarianism: Retiring the bestest plane evar? What will replace it?

Lockheed Martin has assured me that the F-35 will be able to handle all responsibilities of the A-10, and will do it with an invisibility cloak and loiter time of 20+ hours.

Compared to the A-10, the F-35 could get knocked out of a battlefield with a dirty look.


That is a bit unfair. You can't knock something out that can't get off the runway.
 
2013-08-20 11:10:42 AM  

Click Click D'oh: fluffy2097: The P-51 mustang doesn't have a jet engine.

Then I suggest you buy some for the airforce, because you might have accidentally found the best CAS bird and dogfighter ever.    Go back to your videogame.


I'm not sure why people are now comparing a WWII aircraft with the A-10 in air-air combat to begin with. You may as well point out the F-35 would wipe the floor with A-10s in air-air.
 
2013-08-20 11:13:18 AM  

duffblue: A10 is the coolest plane ever. That is all.


Hrm. Coolest modern attack plane? Yes.

Coolest plane ever?

iliketowastemytime.com
Here it is. Looking at you.
 
2013-08-20 11:14:16 AM  
May the ghost of John Boyd haunt them for the rest of their days.
 
2013-08-20 11:16:03 AM  

ceebeecates4: Click Click D'oh: ceebeecates4:  Maintaining an obsolete aircraft that has the RCS of a barn and the thermal signature of the sun worked really well for the Iranians, and that's why their F-14 fleet is the best in the world!  After all, we're still facing the dangers of columns of soviet T-72s about to push through the Fulda gap, and MANPADS are far too expensive for any potential enemy to afford.

You know, the A-10 has survived quite well in a couple wars with a high threat environment from MANPADS and AAA... And if you knew anything about the plane, you would know that it's design masks it's IR signature from the ground.

Only after vigorous suppression of enemy air defenses sorties from actually useful planes (F-16s et al).  The whole advantage of using a low observable plane is that you don't have to have such a huge support network to get a job done.  Additionally,  The A-10 is not theB-52.  The B-52 is highly unusual with its longevity; its not hard to simply a be a flying truck with 8 jet engines and a payload of 60,000lbs.  Everyone sees these videos of a-10s letting their big gun roar and b-52 dropping (or launching) a shiateton of ordinance.  Few people see (orappreciate) the actual work that is required when deploying indefensible aircraft.


The F-35 is not low observable if you hang a bunch of ordnance under the wings -- see the picture I posted up thread in its supposed CAS configuration.  If you configure it for low observability, you have exactly two internal hard points that can carry air to ground weapons, and two more for air to air.  At that point you may as well send in a drone -- it can't meaningfully loiter and engage multiple targets.  Saying the F-35 can do what the A-10 does AND do it in a low observable profile is simply a lie.
 
2013-08-20 11:16:49 AM  
The Air Force wants out of the flying business, completely.
It's run by bean counters that prefer to spend money on base beautification projects and such so they can win awards,
thereby getting promoted into senior, decision making slots.
It really is a disgrace to wear the uniform nowadays.
 
2013-08-20 11:17:13 AM  
I suspect, and I'm just speculating here, that the main advantage the F-35 has over the A-10 is the greater number of Congressional districts involved in its construction.
 
2013-08-20 11:19:16 AM  

Click Click D'oh: (f-16) new ones being built every day.


No they aren't...  well Lockheed did make a few block 60's a few years ago but I understand those all went to the UAE.  Oh and I think the Koreans are making a variant... but I'm not sure if that counts. The ones my brother works on were manufactured in the mid 80's.

The point is that the A-10 can be rebuilt or replaced part by part without any special jigs or manufacturing exotic materials.  A dozen dudes with a fairly nice machine shop can keep the old air frame flight worthy indefinitely.
 
2013-08-20 11:19:46 AM  
F-35 development:

lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-08-20 11:20:06 AM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: The problem with the A-10 is it's kinda like using a sledge hammer to smash things.

The F-35 is better suited because it's like using some kind of complex advanced technolicical thingy that doesn't work because it'd too valuable to use to smash things.


In war, sometime some things need to smashed.

It's called the farking Tank Killer. How do you put something like that out to pasture? It'd be like taking
a Triple Crown winning horse and relegating it to taking tourists on carriage rides around Central Park.
 
2013-08-20 11:20:14 AM  

Click Click D'oh: fluffy2097: The P-51 mustang doesn't have a jet engine.

Then I suggest you buy some for the airforce, because you might have accidentally found the best CAS bird and dogfighter ever.    Go back to your videogame.


He never said they should buy the P-51 for anything, I believe it was merely an academic argument (related to someone wanting to buy a surplus Warthog and put Mustang pilots to shame).

For that matter he's right, the Mustang would cream the Warthog in a dogfight. Same level speed, lower wing loading, lower stall speed. Probably a better roll rate. It would take a lot of rounds to bring an A-10 down, but it's only a matter of time really.
 
2013-08-20 11:20:45 AM  

Shryke: duffblue: A10 is the coolest plane ever. That is all.
Hrm. Coolest modern attack plane? Yes.
Coolest plane ever?
[iliketowastemytime.com image 850x637]
Here it is. Looking at you.


No that is a HOT plane.  Literally.
 
2013-08-20 11:21:21 AM  
Several people upthread have already said this, but it bears repeating.  The A-10 just isn't "sexy" by flyboy standards.  It is low, slow, and serves only to support another service.  Frankly, I suspect that if the fighter and bomber boys had their wet dreams come true, the only aircraft in service would soon be the F-22, F-35, B-2, and maybe the F-15 and F-16.  Transport/ Cargo airframes, bomb trucks, and CAS just aren't "glamorous"enough.

It is kind of a shameful mindset, since the A-10 is a great airframe and a great design for a really useful mission.  The Army would probably love to operate something similar, but there are agreements that prevent them from operating most fixed wing aircraft (established to give the air force "turf" when it was established right after WWII).

/saw one unload the gun at a target APC at an airshow once..
//love that damn plane
 
2013-08-20 11:23:05 AM  

BlackCat23: Here's a thought, you knuckle dragging farkwits in DC....

GIVE THEM BACK TO THE FARKING AIR GUARDS.

/good friend was an A-10 pilot for the CT AG
//THIS IS WHERE WE'D PUT OUR A-10S.... IF WE HAD ANY.[i.imgur.com image 640x446]
/I have a lot of great stories, but I'm still bitter about them taking the screamin' hogs away.


Amen, I was in the Iowa Air National Guard during the roll over to F-16s. We just about cried.

/ Not for long though. I hurt my foot and got a honorable medical. In less then a year.
// But more then 6 months!
 
2013-08-20 11:24:51 AM  

LedZeppelinRule: Click Click D'oh: fluffy2097: The P-51 mustang doesn't have a jet engine.

Then I suggest you buy some for the airforce, because you might have accidentally found the best CAS bird and dogfighter ever.    Go back to your videogame.

He never said they should buy the P-51 for anything, I believe it was merely an academic argument (related to someone wanting to buy a surplus Warthog and put Mustang pilots to shame).

For that matter he's right, the Mustang would cream the Warthog in a dogfight. Same level speed, lower wing loading, lower stall speed. Probably a better roll rate. It would take a lot of rounds to bring an A-10 down, but it's only a matter of time really.


You're comparing apples to oranges. The P-51 primary use is as a fighter plane. The A-10, though a multi-purpose combat aircraft,
was designed primarily to take out tanks and armored installations on the ground.
 
2013-08-20 11:25:34 AM  
I served and of the opinion that this can be the best, cheapest tool to go into low tech areas like Iraq & Afghanistan for the boots on the ground.

/still remembers the 'burp & shaaiting my pants!
 
2013-08-20 11:25:39 AM  
There's a wing of A-10s stationed at Barksdale, and sometimes they use Chennault Field for what I'm assuming are touch-and-go practice or the like. My house is under the glide path for Chennault. It's pretty cool to see the Warthogs dropping down.

/ we see a lot of other stuff too. B52, the odd F16, there were a few Eagles around several years back, and I saw what I THINK might have been a T38 Talon the other day.
// USAF doesn't want the gopher-zapper role but doesn't want the Army flying fixed wing goodies. Pfeh.
 
2013-08-20 11:26:11 AM  

vygramul: In other news, the Air Force doesn't like the CAS mission and would just as soon not have it at all.


the chair force has never liked close ground support, they might get dirt on their shoes
 
2013-08-20 11:28:17 AM  

xxmedium: No Time To Explain: //unless those and more improvements have been done over the years?

They have. Several times. Avionics mostly but they are old enough that structural components are starting to need replacing - pesky things that are seldom used... like wings, for example.


What I came to say.  I love that plane, it's a perfect example of form following function.  They started with a gun and an armored cockpit and built the rest around it.  But the airframes are suffering from major fatigue and even though they have been reinforced the wings are literally ready to fall off some of them.  Over the next few years they need to be replaced, the question is what they are replaced with.  The A-10 was designed as a single purpose tank killer to stop a Soviet invasion of Western Europe.  The military doesn't see a major use for a tank killer in currently projected conflicts.

It's sad to see them go and the F-35 is no replacement for low altitude low speed air support but one way or another they will be replaced.
 
2013-08-20 11:29:06 AM  

SheltemDragon: BlackCat23: Here's a thought, you knuckle dragging farkwits in DC....

GIVE THEM BACK TO THE FARKING AIR GUARDS.

/good friend was an A-10 pilot for the CT AG
//THIS IS WHERE WE'D PUT OUR A-10S.... IF WE HAD ANY.[i.imgur.com image 640x446]
/I have a lot of great stories, but I'm still bitter about them taking the screamin' hogs away.

Amen, I was in the Iowa Air National Guard during the roll over to F-16s. We just about cried.

/ Not for long though. I hurt my foot and got a honorable medical. In less then a year.
// But more then 6 months!


Hey, at least you kept some sort of "attack" aircraft, originally, CT was supposed to go F-16, as well, but they turned our AG into little more than a diplomatic limo service  instead :\

/Never understood why they changed us to an "airlift" squad
//Westover is farking 15 miles away.
///I miss hearing them do MoE training. It was fun to wave to them when they flew next to the highway.
//or over the house
/very... very low.... doing loops. Showoffs.
 
2013-08-20 11:30:05 AM  
As someone who used to play Soldier in a previous life, the A-10 is one of 2 aircraft that always gave me a warm fuzzy when it was overhead.

Give me a Warthog over me if I was in open terrain, and an AH-64 Apache if I was in the city, and I'd be a happy camper.
 
2013-08-20 11:31:37 AM  

Maul555: i think its a pretty big mistake to put the F-35 into the warthog roll...  The warthog is specially suited to its task and can take a lot of damage and keep on going...  I don't think the F-35, with all its technological marvels, is nearly as damage resistant...


Warthog roll?

Is that like a Cleveland Steamer?
 
2013-08-20 11:32:01 AM  
The A-10 has always been my favorite, next to the B-17. Even during the Top Gun era in the
80s, when I would wear out our VHS tape of the movie rewinding it to the aerial combat scenes
(and Tom Cruise's farkfest with Kelly McGillis), I still loved the A-10.

My kids have love for the big lugs, too.
 
2013-08-20 11:34:20 AM  
CSB: i was hunting in southeastern arizona once, middle of nowhere (deer in the high desert), I'll venture to guess about anywhere from 50-100mi away from Tucson.  We were hiking a ridge and heard a low hum in the distance, getting slowly louder.

a squadron or whatever of 5-6 Warthogs in formation broke over us, maybe 500 yards (if that) away.  it wsa farking awesome.  we were waving and shiat but i don't think they saw us.
 
2013-08-20 11:34:39 AM  

Truther: Maul555: i think its a pretty big mistake to put the F-35 into the warthog roll...  The warthog is specially suited to its task and can take a lot of damage and keep on going...  I don't think the F-35, with all its technological marvels, is nearly as damage resistant...

Warthog roll?

Is that like a Cleveland Steamer?


With more depleted uranium, yes.
 
2013-08-20 11:36:09 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: The A-10 is the AK-47 of combat aviation.


That's a damned good analogy, and I am going to steal it.
 
2013-08-20 11:36:17 AM  

Intrepid00: Are people really biatching that the A-10 is 30 years old throw it away? Do people not know how old the B-52 is?


Apples and oranges.  The B-52 doesn't fatigue its airframe with 8 G turns in "normal" operations.
 
2013-08-20 11:36:26 AM  

Warthog: HotIgneous Intruder: The A-10 is the AK-47 of combat aviation.

I've never heard that comparison before, but I agree with it 100%.


Disagree. Mig -21.

Freaking everywhere, simple, and tough as nails. But kind of crap in ways.

A-10 is more like Ma Deuce.
 
2013-08-20 11:36:59 AM  

digitalrain: LedZeppelinRule: Click Click D'oh: fluffy2097: The P-51 mustang doesn't have a jet engine.

Then I suggest you buy some for the airforce, because you might have accidentally found the best CAS bird and dogfighter ever.    Go back to your videogame.

He never said they should buy the P-51 for anything, I believe it was merely an academic argument (related to someone wanting to buy a surplus Warthog and put Mustang pilots to shame).

For that matter he's right, the Mustang would cream the Warthog in a dogfight. Same level speed, lower wing loading, lower stall speed. Probably a better roll rate. It would take a lot of rounds to bring an A-10 down, but it's only a matter of time really.

You're comparing apples to oranges. The P-51 primary use is as a fighter plane. The A-10, though a multi-purpose combat aircraft,
was designed primarily to take out tanks and armored installations on the ground.


Not to make things more complex but Did you know that during the original Sandy replacement competition (won by the A-10) they had a p-51 with a turbo prop.  http://www.crazyhorseap.be/Mustangs/History/CavalierEnforcer/Cavalier E nforcer_02.htm
 
2013-08-20 11:37:53 AM  

rickythepenguin: CSB: i was hunting in southeastern arizona once, middle of nowhere (deer in the high desert), I'll venture to guess about anywhere from 50-100mi away from Tucson.  We were hiking a ridge and heard a low hum in the distance, getting slowly louder.

a squadron or whatever of 5-6 Warthogs in formation broke over us, maybe 500 yards (if that) away.  it wsa farking awesome.  we were waving and shiat but i don't think they saw us.


Believe me. They saw you. And the timing of their break was probably to mess with you. Because they're like that.

/There's a highway here in CT, Rt8, that for much of it's travel is raised along the hillsides. Between 200-500' above the valley floors.
//More than once, we've seen them flying maybe 50' over, enough that you could wave, and they'd wave back
///MoE training was fun for everyone!
 
2013-08-20 11:40:05 AM  

BlackCat23: SheltemDragon: BlackCat23: Here's a thought, you knuckle dragging farkwits in DC....

GIVE THEM BACK TO THE FARKING AIR GUARDS.

/good friend was an A-10 pilot for the CT AG
//THIS IS WHERE WE'D PUT OUR A-10S.... IF WE HAD ANY.[i.imgur.com image 640x446]
/I have a lot of great stories, but I'm still bitter about them taking the screamin' hogs away.

Amen, I was in the Iowa Air National Guard during the roll over to F-16s. We just about cried.

/ Not for long though. I hurt my foot and got a honorable medical. In less then a year.
// But more then 6 months!

Hey, at least you kept some sort of "attack" aircraft, originally, CT was supposed to go F-16, as well, but they turned our AG into little more than a diplomatic limo service  instead :\

/Never understood why they changed us to an "airlift" squad
//Westover is farking 15 miles away.
///I miss hearing them do MoE training. It was fun to wave to them when they flew next to the highway.
//or over the house
/very... very low.... doing loops. Showoffs.


I used to remeber them doing low runs over my house. I loved it, but it scared the hell out of my mom. My appreciation grew for them when I had them at my back in Iraq. Retiring these would be one of the worst mistakes they could make.
 
2013-08-20 11:40:21 AM  

fluffy2097: That's like 6 laser guided bombs, 4 2000 pound dumb bombs, and 3 maverick missiles. (in addition to being able to carry rockets, and cluster bombs).  And like 20,000 rounds of GAU-8 ammo. oh, and titanium armor for the pilot and critical systems.

The A-10 also has triple redundant flight system. dual hydraulic  systems, and cable controls.

The warthog brings home pilots in situations where there is really no logical reason why it would be capable of flying. A female A-10 pilot got hit over Iraq, lost almost all flight control and then proceeded to write the book on flying a wounded A-10 on differential thrust alone. She landed back at base safely.


Excellent speech.
 
2013-08-20 11:41:49 AM  

LedZeppelinRule: For that matter he's right, the Mustang would cream the Warthog in a dogfight. Same level speed, lower wing loading, lower stall speed. Probably a better roll rate. It would take a lot of rounds to bring an A-10 down, but it's only a matter of time really.


The A-10 has an enormously better climb rate and a higher flight ceiling.  Running a ground attack aircraft up into the stratosphere would be a pretty weird thing to do normally, but it would let it dictate the engagement with the Mustang.  Also, it can take a lot of .50 cal rounds while it only needs to get a couple hits in before the game's over.
 
2013-08-20 11:43:46 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: ceebeecates4: With all these GEDs in military procurement and logistics management, we can keep the Thunderbolt II flying for 30 years!  After all, all one has to do is waltz down to Fairchild Republic and pick up a few spare parts!  Maintaining an obsolete aircraft that has the RCS of a barn and the thermal signature of the sun worked really well for the Iranians, and that's why their F-14 fleet is the best in the world!  After all, we're still facing the dangers of columns of soviet T-72s about to push through the Fulda gap, and MANPADS are far too expensive for any potential enemy to afford.

/Nostalgia has no place in weapon systems.

Want to know how I know you're a know-nothing idiot posting from your mom's basement?


As much as I liked the F14 Tomcat and it's abilities I do believe, correct me if I am wrong, I recall it having a 10 hour maintenance to 1 hour flight time ratio. Ugh. For every hour IN the air it requires TEN hours of maintenance. It was an amazing platform but the absurdly high maintenance costs doomed it for us in the late 90's.

I believe someone has no clue as to how much it takes to maintain a fleet of F14's. No surprise there.
 
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