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2013-08-20 08:34:50 AM
No, he doesn't.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-20 08:48:13 AM
Dumbass tag shot dead.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-20 08:49:21 AM
Yesterday I lost my 3yrd son to a gun accident. We r all hoping to wake up from this nightmare. My baby boy is gone & I will never get to hold him again. I will miss him terribly

He has had 3 sons die in gun accidents?  He really needs a gun safe.

//I will let someone else proceed with the grammar trolling...
 
2013-08-20 08:49:53 AM
It's truly amazing how completely brainwashed the gun rights people are. They really think that the 2nd amendment is the only thing standing between freedom and outright boot-on-the-neck tyranny. The delusion is perfect.
 
2013-08-20 08:50:07 AM
You can support gun rights with an unloaded gun in a locked case, too...asshole
 
2013-08-20 08:50:10 AM
It was really brave of that kid to kill himself defending gun rights.   But maybe a sign in the window would have been better.
 
2013-08-20 08:52:00 AM
The phrase you're looking for is 'responsible gun owner....'
 
2013-08-20 08:53:29 AM
Before the sensible decision is made to ban guns, please can someone shoot this idiot.
 
2013-08-20 08:55:46 AM
I believe the turd now faces a second charge of negligent homicide of the English language.
 
2013-08-20 08:56:16 AM
His priorities with regard to guns or posting on FB?
 
2013-08-20 08:57:07 AM
Someone is having a weird "I feel so guilty that it's crushing me" reaction.

Lock up your damn guns, weirdo.
 
2013-08-20 08:57:53 AM
Yeah, let's make fun of this guy for not thinking clearly immediately after his toddler commits suicide. Nice.
 
2013-08-20 08:58:09 AM
LaPierre demands many child sacrifices to keep the bogeyman away.
 
2013-08-20 08:59:28 AM
Come on people. Clearly it was just another over-zealous staffer.

Sad story... on so many levels.
 
2013-08-20 08:59:43 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, let's make fun of this guy for not thinking clearly immediately after his toddler commits suicide. Nice.


Not thinking clearly? This guy wasn't thinking even before that.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-20 09:00:01 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, let's make fun of this guy for not thinking clearly immediately after his toddler commits suicide. Nice.


Really?  Not thinking clearly is going into your bedroom and crying for 12 hours, not going onto Facebook to decry the Kenyan dictator because he's comin' over the hill for your guns.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-20 09:00:43 AM

HotWingConspiracy: LaPierre demands many child sacrifices to keep the bogeyman away.


If that kid just was ARMED when this happened...

wait, what?
 
2013-08-20 09:02:38 AM

Dinki: It's truly amazing how completely brainwashed the gun rights people are. They really think that the 2nd amendment is the only thing standing between freedom and outright boot-on-the-neck tyranny. The delusion is perfect.


but IS that the reason they're so pro? I get the feeling on here it's more like 'we always have and we always will', or for self defence. nothing to do with government
 
2013-08-20 09:03:52 AM

bulldg4life: You can support gun rights with an unloaded gun in a locked case, too...asshole


This.

I open carry on a daily basis.

On the weeks i don't have my son, gun is loaded on nightstand.

Weeks i DO have my son, gun is loaded in a fingerprint-secured gunsafe. Takes all of 1.5 seconds to unlock with your fingerprint.

Im as staunch of a pro-gun advocate as they come, but you do not leave loaded firearms of ANY type around when you HAVE CHILDREN IN YOUR HOUSE.

/also...no you DONT need that Tommy Gun for hunting or self defense
 
2013-08-20 09:04:02 AM

Dinki: It's truly amazing how completely brainwashed the gun rights people are. They really think that the 2nd amendment is the only thing standing between freedom and outright boot-on-the-neck tyranny. The delusion is perfect.


And those people will scream from the rooftops "Support your First Responders, no matter what" and sneer at the damn dirty hippies and laugh when they see this on the Tellervision mashine.


dailyhurricane.com
 
2013-08-20 09:04:12 AM
It's hardly news that many gun nuts love their firearms far more than their families.

Most people would look at all the studies that reveal that a gun in the home is far (~12X) more likely to result in the death of a family member or a visitor, than to be used in self-defense against an intruder, and make the sensible and obvious conclusion based on the risk-benefit analysis.  But then again, there are a lot people like this guy, for whom owning a gun is more important than the lives of his loved ones.
 
2013-08-20 09:06:41 AM

Dinki: It's truly amazing how completely brainwashed the gun rights people are. They really think that the 2nd amendment is the only thing standing between freedom and outright boot-on-the-neck tyranny. The delusion is perfect.


I especially like the part where they ignore the militarization of police forces across the country. Your dumb ass won't get out of your own neighborhood with your "well-armed" militia, much less go head up with the army. Settle down, doomsday preppers.
 
2013-08-20 09:08:11 AM

Doc Daneeka: It's hardly news that many gun nuts love their firearms far more than their families.

Most people would look at all the studies that reveal that a gun in the home is far (~12X) more likely to result in the death of a family member or a visitor, than to be used in self-defense against an intruder, and make the sensible and obvious conclusion based on the risk-benefit analysis.  But then again, there are a lot people like this guy, for whom owning a gun is more important than the lives of his loved ones.


Growing up, my dad had like 15 or 16 guns in the house.

I have 5.

Strangely, none of them have ever unlocked the gun cabinet and killed one of us.

The vast majority of gun owners aren't morons.
 
2013-08-20 09:09:27 AM
See, this is the core of the problem- at least half of the gun-aficionados are utter morons. Sure, in theory, intelligent people should have the right to maintain a deadly weapon to defend themselves. I get that. HOWEVER, with no gun-safety class, and no psychological evaluation, we can't be sure that the people who feel they need 10 guns aren't complete mouth-breathers.
I'd be fine with mandatory safety classes, fine with mandatory psych eval, fine with mandatory background checks. I know what a firearm is, and I don't worship it as a method of enforcing my will upon the world as many do. Many gun-owners frighten me, though, and it isn't the gun that's scary, it's the fact that a complete tool with a clear paranoid fantasy has access to one. I enjoy competitive and casual target shooting. I also like archery and slingshots.

As an aside, if my government were truly a problem, I'm pretty sure I could cause more property damage and general obstruction with a slingshot and a wire cutter than I could with a firearm. That's probably because I feel that no matter how you differ with your government, killing people is wrong.  Also, a saboteur is way more inconveniencing to a government than a whacko with a firearm.
 
2013-08-20 09:10:12 AM
Arrrr, captain. Thar she blows.....all right mates. Hoist the meme

t3.gstatic.com
 
2013-08-20 09:11:42 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Growing up, my dad had like 15 or 16 guns in the house.

I have 5.

Strangely, none of them have ever unlocked the gun cabinet and killed one of us.


I don't think guns can even do that.

/not an expert
 
2013-08-20 09:12:31 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: Doc Daneeka: It's hardly news that many gun nuts love their firearms far more than their families.

Most people would look at all the studies that reveal that a gun in the home is far (~12X) more likely to result in the death of a family member or a visitor, than to be used in self-defense against an intruder, and make the sensible and obvious conclusion based on the risk-benefit analysis.  But then again, there are a lot people like this guy, for whom owning a gun is more important than the lives of his loved ones.

Growing up, my dad had like 15 or 16 guns in the house.

I have 5.

Strangely, none of them have ever unlocked the gun cabinet and killed one of us.

The vast majority of gun owners aren't morons.


Nice anecdote.  I was referring to statistics.

Just be aware that by keeping those guns in your home, you and your family are at a substantially greater risk of being shot than people living in a household without guns.  Regardless of storage practices.

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full
 
2013-08-20 09:12:51 AM

Ilmarinen: The more you eat the more you fart: Growing up, my dad had like 15 or 16 guns in the house.

I have 5.

Strangely, none of them have ever unlocked the gun cabinet and killed one of us.

I don't think guns can even do that.

/not an expert


That..was kinda my point.
 
2013-08-20 09:13:12 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, let's make fun of this guy for not thinking clearly immediately after his toddler commits suicide. Nice.


Really? That's what you call it when a toddler accidentally shoots himself?
Or do you think he was despondent over not being allowed to watch another Wiggles DVD?
 
2013-08-20 09:18:46 AM

give me doughnuts: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, let's make fun of this guy for not thinking clearly immediately after his toddler commits suicide. Nice.

Really? That's what you call it when a toddler accidentally shoots himself?
Or do you think he was despondent over not being allowed to watch another Wiggles DVD?


Well, the new season really does suck.

I miss the Blue Wiggle. He was sexy. Now I'm despondent.
 
2013-08-20 09:19:07 AM

ChaoticLimbs: As an aside, if my government were truly a problem, I'm pretty sure I could cause more property damage and general obstruction with a slingshot and a wire cutter than I could with a firearm.


One could cause even more damage by infiltrating the government itself, frustrating all attempts to get anything done, and staying in power through diversion of voters' attention from important issues by focusing on emotional subjects like gun contr- hey!
 
2013-08-20 09:19:10 AM

give me doughnuts: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, let's make fun of this guy for not thinking clearly immediately after his toddler commits suicide. Nice.

Really? That's what you call it when a toddler accidentally shoots himself?
Or do you think he was despondent over not being allowed to watch another Wiggles DVD?


The anger I have right now is so high... the pro lunatics are just killing me. They make it so you have a choice: all guns or no guns. Well thanks guys... i am gonna choose no guns.

HOW MANY CHILDREN HAVE TO DIE BEFORE WE CAN TALK ABOUT SENSIBLE GUN CONTROL YOU ASSHOLES.
 
2013-08-20 09:20:01 AM

Into the blue again: give me doughnuts: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, let's make fun of this guy for not thinking clearly immediately after his toddler commits suicide. Nice.

Really? That's what you call it when a toddler accidentally shoots himself?
Or do you think he was despondent over not being allowed to watch another Wiggles DVD?

The anger I have right now is so high... the pro lunatics are just killing me. They make it so you have a choice: all guns or no guns. Well thanks guys... i am gonna choose no guns.

HOW MANY CHILDREN HAVE TO DIE BEFORE WE CAN TALK ABOUT SENSIBLE GUN CONTROL YOU ASSHOLES.


I am walking away from this thread.... I am actually angry. Gonna go get some coffee and never look at this thread again.
 
2013-08-20 09:21:01 AM
I don't get why the anti-gun types are all up in arms about this (pun  intended).

This is perfect Darwinian evolutionary pressure in action.
 
2013-08-20 09:22:57 AM

Into the blue again: give me doughnuts: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, let's make fun of this guy for not thinking clearly immediately after his toddler commits suicide. Nice.

Really? That's what you call it when a toddler accidentally shoots himself?
Or do you think he was despondent over not being allowed to watch another Wiggles DVD?

The anger I have right now is so high... the pro lunatics are just killing me. They make it so you have a choice: all guns or no guns. Well thanks guys... i am gonna choose no guns.

HOW MANY CHILDREN HAVE TO DIE BEFORE WE CAN TALK ABOUT SENSIBLE GUN CONTROL YOU ASSHOLES.


Yelling like that certainly doesn't help.
And did you read what the guy wrote? He was pleading with people to keep their firearms secured where kids can't get at them.
 
2013-08-20 09:23:18 AM

DrunkBastard: I don't get why the anti-gun types are all up in arms about this (pun  intended).

This is perfect Darwinian evolutionary pressure in action.


Darwin has better aim than this.  Wrong target hit.
 
2013-08-20 09:24:35 AM

Into the blue again: HOW MANY CHILDREN HAVE TO DIE BEFORE WE CAN TALK ABOUT SENSIBLE GUN CONTROL YOU ASSHOLES.


I got into a Facebook debate with a pro-gun acquaintance a few weeks ago.  He essentially told me that no amount of innocent civilian deaths would be enough to change his mind on the issue.

I am afraid that that view is commonplace among like-minded people, and thus it is actually impossible to reason with them along those lines.
 
2013-08-20 09:24:40 AM

DrunkBastard: I don't get why the anti-gun types are all up in arms about this (pun  intended).

This is perfect Darwinian evolutionary pressure in action.


You don't keep your gun locked away and your friend's toddler shoots himself? I don't think that has anything to do with evolution.
 
2013-08-20 09:26:14 AM

ChaoticLimbs: See, this is the core of the problem- at least half of the gun-aficionados are utter morons. Sure, in theory, intelligent people should have the right to maintain a deadly weapon to defend themselves. I get that. HOWEVER, with no gun-safety class, and no psychological evaluation, we can't be sure that the people who feel they need 10 guns aren't complete mouth-breathers.
I'd be fine with mandatory safety classes, fine with mandatory psych eval, fine with mandatory background checks. I know what a firearm is, and I don't worship it as a method of enforcing my will upon the world as many do. Many gun-owners frighten me, though, and it isn't the gun that's scary, it's the fact that a complete tool with a clear paranoid fantasy has access to one. I enjoy competitive and casual target shooting. I also like archery and slingshots.


That sounds like a lot of functions a militia could regulate. Hmmmm maybe you're onto something.
 
2013-08-20 09:29:09 AM

Into the blue again: Into the blue again: give me doughnuts: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, let's make fun of this guy for not thinking clearly immediately after his toddler commits suicide. Nice.

Really? That's what you call it when a toddler accidentally shoots himself?
Or do you think he was despondent over not being allowed to watch another Wiggles DVD?

The anger I have right now is so high... the pro lunatics are just killing me. They make it so you have a choice: all guns or no guns. Well thanks guys... i am gonna choose no guns.

HOW MANY CHILDREN HAVE TO DIE BEFORE WE CAN TALK ABOUT SENSIBLE GUN CONTROL YOU ASSHOLES.

I am walking away from this thread.... I am actually angry. Gonna go get some coffee and never look at this thread again.


It's Fark. There's no point in yelling at strangers. Stay calm. Read the posts. If it upsets you, get up, walk away, go do something calming. Come back later, re-read and post when you're calm. Posting what you posted is like throwing gasoline on the fire, and will just feed the trolls. There's no point. Just let it go.

Here, try this;

mandyf.files.wordpress.com

Feel calmer now?
 
2013-08-20 09:31:06 AM
What's his Fark handle?
 
2013-08-20 09:33:51 AM
Someone please tell us the bedtime story where you are a gun owner and you keep it in a safe that only you can access and you clean and handle it responsibly and have taken or even teach safety classes.
 
2013-08-20 09:35:01 AM

indarwinsshadow: Into the blue again: Into the blue again: give me doughnuts: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, let's make fun of this guy for not thinking clearly immediately after his toddler commits suicide. Nice.

Really? That's what you call it when a toddler accidentally shoots himself?
Or do you think he was despondent over not being allowed to watch another Wiggles DVD?

The anger I have right now is so high... the pro lunatics are just killing me. They make it so you have a choice: all guns or no guns. Well thanks guys... i am gonna choose no guns.

HOW MANY CHILDREN HAVE TO DIE BEFORE WE CAN TALK ABOUT SENSIBLE GUN CONTROL YOU ASSHOLES.

I am walking away from this thread.... I am actually angry. Gonna go get some coffee and never look at this thread again.

It's Fark. There's no point in yelling at strangers. Stay calm. Read the posts. If it upsets you, get up, walk away, go do something calming. Come back later, re-read and post when you're calm. Posting what you posted is like throwing gasoline on the fire, and will just feed the trolls. There's no point. Just let it go.

Here, try this;



Feel calmer now?


Twist: he's gay.
 
2013-08-20 09:38:14 AM

Nana's Vibrator: Someone please tell us the bedtime story where you are a gun owner and you keep it in a safe that only you can access and you clean and handle it responsibly and have taken or even teach safety classes.


It doesn't make that much of a difference.

A gun in the home increases the risk of shooting death of a family member or visitor - regardless of storage practices.

The statistics on this are pretty clear.

Of course, if you point to statistics, all you ever get are anecdotes in return.  "Well, I have guns, and I keep them locked up and no one's ever gotten shot in my house."  Gee, that's great, but it doesn't change the data.
 
2013-08-20 09:38:26 AM

HotWingConspiracy: LaPierre demands many child sacrifices to keep the bogeyman away.


How many 3 year olds die in gun accidents in a typical year?

According to the CDC, it was 9 in 2010.

Nine.  Out of a population of 4.12 *MILLION* kids that same age.

For comparison, that same year 84 drowned, and there were a total of  303 accidental deaths of 3 year olds.  The largest single cause, more than 10 times higher than guns, was motor vehicle related deaths, which accounted for 102 of that total, just about a third.

But hey, you said "child", right?

Let's see what the numbers are for accidental gun deaths for kids age 0 to 11*:  A grand total of 41 out of a population of nearly 49 million.  So it is literally a one-in-a-million risk.

Of course, you're free to make content-free emotionally laden arguments, that's what's great about America.  Relying solely on emotion to make your arguments is the intellectual equivalent of a Twinkie:  Sure, it may satisfy a craving, and it feels oh-so-nice, but ultimately, it's empty rhetorical calories with zero actual nutritional value.

In point of fact, all substantive rights have significant human costs.  Murderers and rapists remain free to murder and rape because of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments.  Ideological extremists of all stripes are free to speak and publish screeds against all kinds of things, and often, someone will be inspired to act by their hateful speech.


*Age range chosen for two reasons:  You can get a hunting license at 12 in most states, and older teens are at risk for gang-related (ie., illegal) gun ownership.  Even so, that only adds a total of 57 accidental deaths (12 to 17 year olds), with the risk still near the "one in a million" area (technically, it's 1 in 757,000).
 
2013-08-20 09:40:46 AM
My take away from all this is this is a person who has proven that he doesn't have the necessary responsibility to have either guns or children.
 
2013-08-20 09:41:45 AM

Diogenes: Darwin has better aim than this. Wrong target hit.


He didn't pick the most efficient target, but he did successfully stop at least some carryover of this farknut's genes into the next generation. I'm hoping he offs himself and the owner of the gun as another favor to future generations.
 
2013-08-20 09:46:39 AM

fireside68: indarwinsshadow: Into the blue again: Into the blue again: give me doughnuts: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, let's make fun of this guy for not thinking clearly immediately after his toddler commits suicide. Nice.

Really? That's what you call it when a toddler accidentally shoots himself?
Or do you think he was despondent over not being allowed to watch another Wiggles DVD?

The anger I have right now is so high... the pro lunatics are just killing me. They make it so you have a choice: all guns or no guns. Well thanks guys... i am gonna choose no guns.

HOW MANY CHILDREN HAVE TO DIE BEFORE WE CAN TALK ABOUT SENSIBLE GUN CONTROL YOU ASSHOLES.

I am walking away from this thread.... I am actually angry. Gonna go get some coffee and never look at this thread again.

It's Fark. There's no point in yelling at strangers. Stay calm. Read the posts. If it upsets you, get up, walk away, go do something calming. Come back later, re-read and post when you're calm. Posting what you posted is like throwing gasoline on the fire, and will just feed the trolls. There's no point. Just let it go.

Here, try this;

Feel calmer now?

Twist: he's gay.


I'm calmer.
A little tired, too.
And my wrist is kinda sore.
Think I'll go take a nap.
 
2013-08-20 09:47:17 AM

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: LaPierre demands many child sacrifices to keep the bogeyman away.

How many 3 year olds die in gun accidents in a typical year?

According to the CDC, it was 9 in 2010.

Nine.  Out of a population of 4.12 *MILLION* kids that same age.

For comparison, that same year 84 drowned, and there were a total of  303 accidental deaths of 3 year olds.  The largest single cause, more than 10 times higher than guns, was motor vehicle related deaths, which accounted for 102 of that total, just about a third.

But hey, you said "child", right?

Let's see what the numbers are for accidental gun deaths for kids age 0 to 11*:  A grand total of 41 out of a population of nearly 49 million.  So it is literally a one-in-a-million risk.

Of course, you're free to make content-free emotionally laden arguments, that's what's great about America.  Relying solely on emotion to make your arguments is the intellectual equivalent of a Twinkie:  Sure, it may satisfy a craving, and it feels oh-so-nice, but ultimately, it's empty rhetorical calories with zero actual nutritional value.

In point of fact, all substantive rights have significant human costs.  Murderers and rapists remain free to murder and rape because of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments.  Ideological extremists of all stripes are free to speak and publish screeds against all kinds of things, and often, someone will be inspired to act by their hateful speech.


*Age range chosen for two reasons:  You can get a hunting license at 12 in most states, and older teens are at risk for gang-related (ie., illegal) gun ownership.  Even so, that only adds a total of 57 accidental deaths (12 to 17 year olds), with the risk still near the "one in a million" area (technically, it's 1 in 757,000).


Since you seem to be interested in accurate and fair comparisons, now compare the number of accidental gun deaths among 3 year olds in households with guns to the number of accidental gun deaths among 3 year olds in households without guns.
 
2013-08-20 09:48:44 AM
Ready for home invasion.

Not ready for a three year old.
 
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