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2013-08-20 09:30:16 AM
Yeah, you really have to wonder why they keep employing the same personnel strategy that has proven to be such an utter failure for the last 20 years.
 
2013-08-20 09:57:14 AM
I'd suggest the Devils getting out of the Kovalchuk deal puts them in at least neutral territory, new ownership tips them to winner side for this hockey fan.  Now if they'd gotten out of the Kovalchuck deal before free agency, that would have been better for the team. But... if's and but's and all that.
 
2013-08-20 10:11:42 AM
Flyers get a massive upgrade simply by ridding themselves of the bum that was Bryzgalov. I'd rather have Ron Hextall back in net at his age than that overpaid stiff
 
2013-08-20 10:26:00 AM
The author is "die hard" Wrings fan but does not know why Brunner was not re-signed?
Losing Cleary was a negative with the young-ish talent coming up from GR?

/headexplode.gif
 
2013-08-20 10:28:22 AM

angrymonday: The author is "die hard" Wrings fan but does not know why Brunner was not re-signed?
Losing Cleary was a negative with the young-ish talent coming up from GR?

/headexplode.gif


Wrings? WT FARK! "Wings"
 
2013-08-20 10:32:31 AM

Klivian: Flyers get a massive upgrade simply by ridding themselves of the bum that was Bryzgalov. I'd rather have Ron Hextall back in net at his age than that overpaid stiff


The good news for everyone else in the division is that the folks responsible for overpaying him are still making the decisions in Philly.
 
2013-08-20 10:33:48 AM

sno man: I'd suggest the Devils getting out of the Kovalchuk deal puts them in at least neutral territory, new ownership tips them to winner side for this hockey fan.  Now if they'd gotten out of the Kovalchuck deal before free agency, that would have been better for the team. But... if's and but's and all that.


Agreed. Plus they mark the Schneider trade as a bad move for Vancouver (only getting a draft pick for him) but don't list it as a good move for NJ? Devils got him for a song.

Avoiding hefty future cap circumvention penalties + financial stability from new ownership +  settling the future goaltending question > the free agency signings (i only view this as a slight negative overall, but we will see) + loss of offense from Kovy. That's at least a slight net positive overall.

As to your last point, I've heard both sides of the argument...I think Lou knew Kovy was going to Russia before free agency but didn't want to put it out there or over-stretch with his signings (aka tipping his hand early)...not many good players would want to sign with a team that's losing that much offense because of questions about reaching the post-season, an issue the Devils have had recently anyway.
 
2013-08-20 10:38:35 AM

angrymonday: The author is "die hard" Wrings fan but does not know why Brunner was not re-signed?
Losing Cleary was a negative with the young-ish talent coming up from GR?

/headexplode.gif


This same author also wrote a column last summer claiming that Tomas Holmstrom was going to bolt for another team to finish his career.

This guy either has a closed-head injury or is the worst concern troll on the internet.
 
2013-08-20 10:43:12 AM

angrymonday: angrymonday: The author is "die hard" Wrings fan but does not know why Brunner was not re-signed?
Losing Cleary was a negative with the young-ish talent coming up from GR?

/headexplode.gif

Wrings? WT FARK! "Wings"


The Albuquerque Dead Frings should totally be a minor league team.

/Not at all sure why the Devils are in the "Losers" column.
 
2013-08-20 10:44:44 AM

sigdiamond2000: angrymonday: The author is "die hard" Wrings fan but does not know why Brunner was not re-signed?
Losing Cleary was a negative with the young-ish talent coming up from GR?

/headexplode.gif

This same author also wrote a column last summer claiming that Tomas Holmstrom was going to bolt for another team to finish his career.

This guy either has a closed-head injury or is the worst concern troll on the internet.


When that site was looking for writers, I almost applied.

Then I realized it would get in the way of trolling on Fark.
 
2013-08-20 10:49:42 AM

sno man: I'd suggest the Devils getting out of the Kovalchuk deal puts them in at least neutral territory, new ownership tips them to winner side for this hockey fan.  Now if they'd gotten out of the Kovalchuck deal before free agency, that would have been better for the team. But... if's and but's and all that.


This will also be the season that the Devils forfeit their 1st round pick do to the Loserchuck contract nonsense. You know, instead of using it when there pick was 29th, they are now forced to drop it when it has a chance of being top-10.
 
2013-08-20 10:59:21 AM
Knew the signing of GMJN2 portended great things and I'm excited for the Stars this year.
 
2013-08-20 11:10:08 AM
At least they're pursuing.  The only thing the AVs are pursuing is more available Cap space.  5th Cheapest team in the league, farking hooray.  Now they're applying the same dimstore management bullshiat to the Nuggets.  I hope the Kronkemarts are the first people to die of the hybrid EbolaCancerAIDS.
 
2013-08-20 11:16:28 AM
Ottawa totes didn't want Alfredsson, and they're still whining about it.
 
2013-08-20 11:19:31 AM
Funny how the article didn't mention how Chicago cheated against Detroit because the refs are in on it.

Oh yeah, that didn't happen in reality.

Can't wait for October 1st...
 
2013-08-20 11:19:39 AM
Meanwhile, the Bruins are supposedly pursuing Jose Theodore as a backup to Tuukka Rask. At least Theodore has been staying sharp in the offseason.
 
2013-08-20 11:25:40 AM

Klivian: Flyers get a massive upgrade simply by ridding themselves of the bum that was Bryzgalov. I'd rather have Ron Hextall back in net at his age than that overpaid stiff


I pretty much came to say this.
 
2013-08-20 11:29:59 AM
I'm predicting the bottom of the Pacific Conference for the Flames this season.

If it came to it, I'd tank it now for a #1 pick.

This rebuild is going to be painful.
 
2013-08-20 11:34:10 AM
The Detroit Red Wings just need one guy back to 100% to have the pieces for anpther Championship.

With a healthy DeKeyser back and Helm's return, the Red Wings will be in great shape this season.


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Helm is the speed guy, who will make those dumps into the offensive zone actually productive once more.
 
2013-08-20 11:43:37 AM

LesserEvil: The Detroit Red Wings just need one guy back to 100% to have the pieces for anpther Championship.

With a healthy DeKeyser back and Helm's return, the Red Wings will be in great shape this season.


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Helm is the speed guy, who will make those dumps into the offensive zone actually productive once more.


I put the chances of Helm starting the season on LTIR at about 80%.

I'm not even banking on him playing this season, quite frankly.
 
2013-08-20 11:43:38 AM

Rev.K: This rebuild is going to be painful.


The team or the Saddledome?
 
2013-08-20 11:45:30 AM

sno man: I'd suggest the Devils getting out of the Kovalchuk deal puts them in at least neutral territory, new ownership tips them to winner side for this hockey fan.  Now if they'd gotten out of the Kovalchuck deal before free agency, that would have been better for the team. But... if's and but's and all that.


And by, "getting out of the Kovalchuck deal", you mean, "losing their only reliable source for nothing", right?

Oversized contracts are only bad when they hamstring the team. Other than that, it's overpayment, but why should the fans care? And with the amount of Cap room the Devils have had recently...

Let's put it simply: The Devils need more good players, not less. They don't have many good players right now. They have more than their fair share of mediocre and serviceable ones. New ownership is good. But it's irrelevant to what the team did to make itself better or worse on the ice. The Devils were a pretty bad team last season, and they lost talent over the offseason. They got worse. And they don't have what's likely to be a pretty high first round pick to pull them out of it this year, solely because Lou Lamoriello was an idiot and didn't choose to forfeit the #29 when he had the chance. There is no possible justification for that one. It was a fark up, and a big one.

But you do have Jagr to watch until the trade deadline. So there's that. And you did get your Brodeur successor.
 
2013-08-20 11:47:56 AM

cptjeff: "losing their only reliable source of offense for nothing", right?


Whoops.
 
2013-08-20 11:48:03 AM

Anderson's Pooper: The team or the Saddledome?


The team definitely, the Saddledome, possibly.

Apparently it's going to be ready to go. There was a whole sh*tstorm of articles about where the Flames would play, either in Edmonton or in Saskatoon, but that has all stopped and apparently the Saddledome will be the Flames home just like always.

I don't know what they're going to do. Maybe there will be fewer seats near the ice, I don't know. My office faces the Saddledome and they've been working hard on it all summer long, but with how bad it looked and how much they lost, I don't know if three months is enough time.
 
2013-08-20 11:51:40 AM

puckrock2000: Meanwhile, the Bruins are supposedly pursuing Jose Theodore as a backup to Tuukka Rask. At least Theodore has been staying sharp in the offseason.


I'm thinking the Bruins had a fairly good offseason so far.  Got rid of some playoff underachievers(Jagr, Seguin, Ference) made some good , underrated pickups from Dallas, got Jarome Iginla on board and freed up cap space to sign Bergeron and Rask to long term deals.

Injuries killed them in the Stanley Cup final.  I'm liking their chances of bringing home a cup this year.
 
2013-08-20 11:54:12 AM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: puckrock2000: Meanwhile, the Bruins are supposedly pursuing Jose Theodore as a backup to Tuukka Rask. At least Theodore has been staying sharp in the offseason.

I'm thinking the Bruins had a fairly good offseason so far.  Got rid of some playoff underachievers(Jagr, Seguin, Ference) made some good , underrated pickups from Dallas, got Jarome Iginla on board and freed up cap space to sign Bergeron and Rask to long term deals.

Injuries killed them in the Stanley Cup final.  I'm liking their chances of bringing home a cup this year.


Please, do explain how Ference is an "underachiever"?
 
2013-08-20 11:56:43 AM

Rev.K: Anderson's Pooper: The team or the Saddledome?

The team definitely, the Saddledome, possibly.

Apparently it's going to be ready to go. There was a whole sh*tstorm of articles about where the Flames would play, either in Edmonton or in Saskatoon, but that has all stopped and apparently the Saddledome will be the Flames home just like always.

I don't know what they're going to do. Maybe there will be fewer seats near the ice, I don't know. My office faces the Saddledome and they've been working hard on it all summer long, but with how bad it looked and how much they lost, I don't know if three months is enough time.


They didn't have any structural issues, right? So it's just a matter of cleaning up, replacing seats, and replacing stuff stored on the lower level that they were unable to move to higher levels (I think they said they pulled a lot of stuff out of there when they saw it coming). Gonna have to re do the locker rooms as well, but you can just go ahead and do a fairly quick and basic job with that, especially anticipating a new arena soon. It's a lot of work, but arenas are good at tearing stuff out, packing it up, and putting new stuff in with really quick turnaround. The hardest part is probably going to be making sure that suppliers are able to get specialized equipment like the stuff in the jumbotron control room to them on time- that kind of stuff is often custom built for each installation.
 
2013-08-20 12:02:54 PM
Losing Brunner was less than perfect, but honestly, Cleary was a (ahem) character guy.  It's too bad, but not a crushing loss.
 
2013-08-20 12:09:04 PM

sigdiamond2000: Yeah, you really have to wonder why they keep employing the same personnel strategy that has proven to be such an utter failure for the last 20 years.


Agreed and it becomes a real head scratcher when you compare the Wings performance to the success of younger teams like Edmonton.
 
2013-08-20 12:09:38 PM
Another long season in Vancouver? They won their division again.

/"long" post-season, as in watching it from the clubhouse, you got us there...
//nucks fan
 
2013-08-20 12:13:58 PM

LesserEvil: Helm is the speed guy, who will make those dumps into the offensive zone actually productive once more.


I like Helm a lot but he really needs to learn to score.
 
2013-08-20 12:21:20 PM

angrymonday: The author is "die hard" Wrings fan but does not know why Brunner was not re-signed?
Losing Cleary was a negative with the young-ish talent coming up from GR?

/headexplode.gif


this, just another lazy writer pounding out the "WINGS ARE OLD" mantra,

as we just sign Nyquist for two years.
 
2013-08-20 12:25:11 PM

WhiskeySticks: Funny how the article didn't mention how Chicago cheated against Detroit because the refs are in on it.

Oh yeah, that didn't happen in reality.

Can't wait for October 1st...


I didnt click the link. However if there was no mention of refs cheating on behalf of chicago, i at least know johnny popcorn didnt right the article.
 
2013-08-20 12:26:18 PM
Ha, Bobrovsky is the most overrated player in hockey right now.  One good year and the writer thinks he won't revert (despite being the only thing keeping the CBJs in contention last year).  Meanwhile he dumps on Luongo, whose defensive support has always been nonexistent.
 
2013-08-20 12:27:25 PM

Muta: sigdiamond2000: Yeah, you really have to wonder why they keep employing the same personnel strategy that has proven to be such an utter failure for the last 20 years.

Agreed and it becomes a real head scratcher when you compare the Wings performance to the success of younger teams like Edmonton.


Good rule of thumb when it comes to hockey "pundits" analyzing the Red Wings: Anything that has been proven successful will eventually be deemed a drawback.

It's been like that since they started scouting Europe and drafting to skills.

If the Red Wings win by employing a specific style of play or style of player, you can be sure that within a year or two, national hockey pundits will be falling all over themselves claiming "you can't win that way any anymore in this league."
 
2013-08-20 12:29:42 PM

Klivian: Flyers get a massive upgrade simply by ridding themselves of the bum that was Bryzgalov. I'd rather have Ron Hextall back in net at his age than that overpaid stiff


Sure, but then the Flyers managed to put themselves basically back at the cap by signing two guys well into their 30s. I'm assuming they're dangling Coburn on the trading block (Streit, although old as fark, is still a very capable puck-moving defenseman) and Pronger's eventual retirement will create some cap space again, but I'm not entirely sure what their plan is...if they even have one.
 
2013-08-20 12:35:42 PM

fatalvenom: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: puckrock2000: Meanwhile, the Bruins are supposedly pursuing Jose Theodore as a backup to Tuukka Rask. At least Theodore has been staying sharp in the offseason.

I'm thinking the Bruins had a fairly good offseason so far.  Got rid of some playoff underachievers(Jagr, Seguin, Ference) made some good , underrated pickups from Dallas, got Jarome Iginla on board and freed up cap space to sign Bergeron and Rask to long term deals.

Injuries killed them in the Stanley Cup final.  I'm liking their chances of bringing home a cup this year.

Please, do explain how Ference is an "underachiever"?


Ference's play wasn't what it could have been through the playoffs, but it was what was expected. His leadership was as important as his on ice play over the last few years. I think he could have played better last year, but he was injured in Round 1, so...
 
2013-08-20 12:38:17 PM

Rev.K: Anderson's Pooper: The team or the Saddledome?

The team definitely, the Saddledome, possibly.

Apparently it's going to be ready to go. There was a whole sh*tstorm of articles about where the Flames would play, either in Edmonton or in Saskatoon, but that has all stopped and apparently the Saddledome will be the Flames home just like always.

I don't know what they're going to do. Maybe there will be fewer seats near the ice, I don't know. My office faces the Saddledome and they've been working hard on it all summer long, but with how bad it looked and how much they lost, I don't know if three months is enough time.


Good job Calgary! It looked really bad during the flood. Im glad it looks like you guys will get the stadium going again this season. As a New Orleans Saints fan who watched a season of road games I applaud you guys. Well done.

visionwellnesscenter.com
 
2013-08-20 12:38:26 PM

fatalvenom: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: puckrock2000: Meanwhile, the Bruins are supposedly pursuing Jose Theodore as a backup to Tuukka Rask. At least Theodore has been staying sharp in the offseason.

I'm thinking the Bruins had a fairly good offseason so far.  Got rid of some playoff underachievers(Jagr, Seguin, Ference) made some good , underrated pickups from Dallas, got Jarome Iginla on board and freed up cap space to sign Bergeron and Rask to long term deals.

Injuries killed them in the Stanley Cup final.  I'm liking their chances of bringing home a cup this year.

Please, do explain how Ference is an "underachiever"?


Don't get me wrong, he had some great seasons in Boston and the time he flipped off Montreal was epic. He was out most of the regular season and didn't produce in the playoffs.

With young defensemen ready to play, the B's went after the offense that was lacking in the finals.
 
2013-08-20 12:39:08 PM

fatalvenom: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: puckrock2000: Meanwhile, the Bruins are supposedly pursuing Jose Theodore as a backup to Tuukka Rask. At least Theodore has been staying sharp in the offseason.

I'm thinking the Bruins had a fairly good offseason so far.  Got rid of some playoff underachievers(Jagr, Seguin, Ference) made some good , underrated pickups from Dallas, got Jarome Iginla on board and freed up cap space to sign Bergeron and Rask to long term deals.

Injuries killed them in the Stanley Cup final.  I'm liking their chances of bringing home a cup this year.

Please, do explain how Ference is an "underachiever"?


Ference was good, but I think that Ference is getting older, and they want to get younger and get more time to Krug and Hamilton.

I like the moves so far this offseason, so I am looking forward to the puck dropping.
 
2013-08-20 12:39:39 PM

Killer Cars: Klivian: Flyers get a massive upgrade simply by ridding themselves of the bum that was Bryzgalov. I'd rather have Ron Hextall back in net at his age than that overpaid stiff

Sure, but then the Flyers managed to put themselves basically back at the cap by signing two guys well into their 30s. I'm assuming they're dangling Coburn on the trading block (Streit, although old as fark, is still a very capable puck-moving defenseman) and Pronger's eventual retirement will create some cap space again, but I'm not entirely sure what their plan is...if they even have one.


To be fair, the Flyers have basically said "screw the blue line" for the past decade or so, so it's not really anything new. The last time the Flyers had more than one good defensive pair, Forsberg was on the team.
 
2013-08-20 12:43:32 PM

cptjeff: They didn't have any structural issues, right? So it's just a matter of cleaning up, replacing seats, and replacing stuff stored on the lower level that they were unable to move to higher levels (I think they said they pulled a lot of stuff out of there when they saw it coming).


Well Ken King was on the news making it sound rather dire.

They did lose the Jumbotron electronics and a whole bunch of their ice-making equipment and whatnot. Those are the items that would take a lot of time, not to mention money.

I see guys on the roof of the Dome every day and like I said, it's been pretty much non-stop.

Flames fans are wondering if this will be the end of the infamous "heroin beer" because they'll be forced to install new beer lines.

mikaloyd: Good job Calgary! It looked really bad during the flood. Im glad it looks like you guys will get the stadium going again this season. As a New Orleans Saints fan who watched a season of road games I applaud you guys. Well done.


Hey, thanks man! I only hope we have a decent on-ice product that makes it all worth it.
 
2013-08-20 12:44:05 PM

Muta: LesserEvil: Helm is the speed guy, who will make those dumps into the offensive zone actually productive once more.

I like Helm a lot but he really needs to learn to score stay healthy.


FTFY
 
2013-08-20 12:47:00 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Don't get me wrong, he had some great seasons in Boston and the time he flipped off Montreal was epic. He was out most of the regular season and didn't produce in the playoffs.


Yeah, I understand why Ference was expendable, but he's definitely a great locker room guy and a tough SOB for someone south of 6 feet tall.

Given his other off-ice interests and activities, he's probably an interesting guy to have a beer with, too.
 
2013-08-20 12:50:14 PM
According to CalgaryFlames.com the Flames will open the pre-season on September 14th versus the Oilers at the Dome.

/the more you know
 
2013-08-20 12:54:01 PM

Rev.K: Flames fans are wondering if this will be the end of the infamous "heroin beer" because they'll be forced to install new beer lines.


With a name like that, it sounds like mass consumption from the old system would deliver a wicked hangover.
 
2013-08-20 12:55:19 PM

WhiskeySticks: With a name like that, it sounds like mass consumption from the old system would deliver a wicked hangover.


Yes, I can attest to that.
 
2013-08-20 01:26:10 PM

Publikwerks: fatalvenom: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: puckrock2000: Meanwhile, the Bruins are supposedly pursuing Jose Theodore as a backup to Tuukka Rask. At least Theodore has been staying sharp in the offseason.

I'm thinking the Bruins had a fairly good offseason so far.  Got rid of some playoff underachievers(Jagr, Seguin, Ference) made some good , underrated pickups from Dallas, got Jarome Iginla on board and freed up cap space to sign Bergeron and Rask to long term deals.

Injuries killed them in the Stanley Cup final.  I'm liking their chances of bringing home a cup this year.

Please, do explain how Ference is an "underachiever"?

Ference was good, but I think that Ference is getting older, and they want to get younger and get more time to Krug and Hamilton.

I like the moves so far this offseason, so I am looking forward to the puck dropping.


I understand why Ference wasn't resigned, but calling him an underachiever was a bit much. He contributed a lot in his time with the Bruins.

But the young kids in the system do look to provide an offensive spark, but my jury is still out on Krug being more than a flash in the pan.
 
2013-08-20 01:33:11 PM

Rev.K: They did lose the Jumbotron electronics and a whole bunch of their ice-making equipment and whatnot. Those are the items that would take a lot of time, not to mention money.


3 months is more than enough time for new zambonis. Ice making equipment would take a lot of work, I didn't realize they had lost that. I knew about the electronics, and the big question there is if they have to be custom built.

In terms of money, I'm sure they're well insured, I don't think that's an issue.
 
2013-08-20 01:36:38 PM

sno man: I'd suggest the Devils getting out of the Kovalchuk deal puts them in at least neutral territory, new ownership tips them to winner side for this hockey fan.  Now if they'd gotten out of the Kovalchuck deal before free agency, that would have been better for the team. But... if's and but's and all that.


I saw the Devils in the "losers" category and stopped reading right there. The guy is obviously an idiot and doesn't deserve the clicks he'll get from this.

The extra cap space, especially for a franchise watching its pennies, is a huge win and one I'm positive they're thrilled about.

Kovalchuk was definitely a star player, but they'll be able to ice a better team with the dollars they now suddenly have available to spend.
 
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