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2013-08-20 09:23:45 AM
Who the fark is Antonio Smith?
 
2013-08-20 09:27:45 AM

Crewmannumber6: Who the fark is Antonio Smith?


Economist who coined the term "invisible hand."
 
2013-08-20 09:29:43 AM
Mr. X
 
2013-08-20 09:30:58 AM
Since when is a suspension from preseason games a punishment?
 
2013-08-20 09:34:10 AM
The name "Richie Incognito" always sounds like a celebrity hotel name or something.
 
2013-08-20 09:34:14 AM
Judging by Incignito's reputation he deserves a hand shake from every DL in the league.
 
2013-08-20 09:34:59 AM
I can see why they do this.  You don't want some scrub who barely has a chance to make the team instigate a fight knowing a regular season  suspension would be meaningless, yet the other team's star player who was just defending himself now has to sit out the start of the season.
 
2013-08-20 09:39:46 AM

Ken VeryBigLiar: Judging by Incignito's reputation he deserves a hand shake from every DL in the league.


Yeah, Incognito is a dirty farker. But you still can't swing a helmet at a guy's face.

2 preseason games could be a big deal if this guy is on the roster bubble.
 
2013-08-20 09:39:49 AM

FriarReb98: The name "Richie Incognito" always sounds like a celebrity hotel name or something.


Would have been a better nickname than Carlos Danger...

i.huffpost.com
 
2013-08-20 10:06:29 AM
Dude takes a swing at me with a helmet... I am certainly going to go for his knees and end his career.
 
2013-08-20 10:34:33 AM

Ken VeryBigLiar: Judging by Incignito's reputation he deserves a hand shake from every DL in the league.


Exactly.  And not to support bounties but everybody should chip in and get him something nice.
 
2013-08-20 10:36:02 AM

Tarl3k: FriarReb98: The name "Richie Incognito" always sounds like a celebrity hotel name or something.

Would have been a better nickname than Carlos Danger...

[i.huffpost.com image 260x190]


Not as cool as Ron Mexico though.
 
2013-08-20 10:38:06 AM

Crewmannumber6: Who the fark is Antonio Smith?


js34603: 2 preseason games could be a big deal if this guy is on the roster bubble.


He's a pretty well-established starter and, as far as I know, not in danger of losing his roster spot.
 
2013-08-20 10:40:42 AM

tampaflacouple: Dude takes a swing at me with a helmet... I am certainly going to go for his knees and end his career.


He took care of that preemptively last season (see Cushing)
 
2013-08-20 10:43:10 AM
So I went and looked at the video.  Wow.  As loathsome as Incognito is, that was just beyond the pale.  It was as bad or worse than the incident with Albert Haynesworth and Andre Gurode.  Smith needs an extended vacation.
 
2013-08-20 10:49:26 AM
I'd toss in an extra game for the "I dunno what happened, I got hit in the head" crap comment if I were Goodell.
 
2013-08-20 10:49:33 AM

Gunderson: I can see why they do this.  You don't want some scrub who barely has a chance to make the team instigate a fight knowing a regular season  suspension would be meaningless, yet the other team's star player who was just defending himself now has to sit out the start of the season.


Incognito drew a fine on another guy on Week 1 last season and spent the press conference talking in the first person. He's essentially a fatter Courtland Finnegan.
 
2013-08-20 10:52:05 AM

rjakobi: Gunderson: I can see why they do this.  You don't want some scrub who barely has a chance to make the team instigate a fight knowing a regular season  suspension would be meaningless, yet the other team's star player who was just defending himself now has to sit out the start of the season.

Incognito drew a fine on another guy on Week 1 last season and spent the press conference talking in the first person. He's essentially a fatter Courtland Finnegan.


And now that I actually RTFAed, that "another guy" was Antonio Smith. That's just sad now.
 
2013-08-20 10:53:12 AM

zzottt: Mr. X


What does the late pro golfer Miller Barber have to do with this?
 
2013-08-20 10:54:56 AM
Well, here we go:  http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp13/story/_/id/9584091/stiffer-ban- m ulled-antonio-smith-houston-texans

So it's possible that there is more of a suspension.
 
2013-08-20 11:02:38 AM

rjakobi: rjakobi: Gunderson: I can see why they do this.  You don't want some scrub who barely has a chance to make the team instigate a fight knowing a regular season  suspension would be meaningless, yet the other team's star player who was just defending himself now has to sit out the start of the season.

Incognito drew a fine on another guy on Week 1 last season and spent the press conference talking in the first person. He's essentially a fatter Courtland Finnegan.

And now that I actually RTFAed, that "another guy" was Antonio Smith. That's just sad now.


Incognito was named second dirtiest player last year behind DonkeyKong Suh and ahead of Innegan.  He was actually proud of it.

"'s a badge of honor for an offensive lineman to be up that high on the list," Incogntio told the media after the release of the list. "It definitely plays on defenders' minds that this guy is going to get after you for four quarters."

And then Tweeted:

I would like to thank my MOM & DAD for raising an ass kicking machine. #2 Dirtiest Player in NFL.
 
2013-08-20 11:26:18 AM
"for forcibly removing the helmet of Miami Dolphins offensive lineman Richie Incognito and then dangerously swinging it at his face, according to a league source. "

How about you have him charged with assault with a weapon? That would send a pretty strong message. These people are getting paid to play a kids game if they can't keep their tempers in check they deserve to be in jail.
 
2013-08-20 11:28:13 AM

js34603: Ken VeryBigLiar: Judging by Incignito's reputation he deserves a hand shake from every DL in the league.

Yeah, Incognito is a dirty farker. But you still can't swing a helmet at a guy's face.

2 preseason games could be a big deal if this guy is on the roster bubble.


THIS except it would have been better to suspend him for 2 regular season games. That way if he was on the bubble the team would think a 3rd time before keeping him.
 
2013-08-20 11:38:21 AM

tampaflacouple: Dude takes a swing at me with a helmet... I am certainly going to go for his knees and end his career.


If you don't want him to swing at you with a helmet, don't be blatantly going for his facemask instead of trying to block him.

Is it right?  Fark no.  Should he have realized what he was doing and stopped (which he thankfully did)?  Fark yes.  Should Smith be punished?  Absolutely.  But don't try to pretend that it wasn't instigated, or that there wasn't already a lot of bad blood between the two of them. Cognito has gotten lucky for past several years in avoiding flags.  There's a reason he got voted #2 Dirtiest Player in the League, and it's not "haters gonna hate".
 
2013-08-20 11:44:07 AM

NEDM: If you don't want him to swing at you with a helmet, don't be blatantly going for his facemask instead of trying to block him.


Lots of people give pushes that hit facemasks like that (looked borderline as far as the "blatant" part). Virtually no one responds by taking a dude's helmet off and swinging it at him DURING THE PLAY.
 
2013-08-20 12:03:18 PM

IAmRight: NEDM: If you don't want him to swing at you with a helmet, don't be blatantly going for his facemask instead of trying to block him.

Lots of people give pushes that hit facemasks like that (looked borderline as far as the "blatant" part). Virtually no one responds by taking a dude's helmet off and swinging it at him DURING THE PLAY.


Yeah, no. It was pretty obvious Incognito had no interest in blocking cleanly. Watch the entire play again and you'll actually see Incognito's hand coming back into frame wrapped up in Smith's facemask. You could argue that his hand was simply caught and all the jerking around was Incognito trying to free his hand, but then he takes a swing at Smith after he breaks free (right hook towards throat, looks like it hit the collarbone instead). I do, however, agree with you that Smith overreacted.
 
2013-08-20 12:09:05 PM

bertor_vidas: but then he takes a swing at Smith after he breaks free (right hook towards throat, looks like it hit the collarbone instead). I do, however, agree with you that Smith overreacted.


That's the shot I saw. But that's not all that different than all the chest-punching that goes on as guys try to beat one another - it didn't look all that out of place for someone blocking a play that was still live. "Taking a swing" requires a lot of reading into the action. It's possible it's true...but it's not really possible for anyone but Incognito to really prove that.
 
2013-08-20 12:10:08 PM
I can't believe the NFL isn't going to suspend him at least 1 regular season game.  If Smith had connected as intended, the NFL would have a Kermit Washington incident on their hands .... except Kermit Washington with 5 ESPN Channels, YouTube, an infinite number of blogs, etc. to replay it  over and over again.
 
2013-08-20 12:16:05 PM

Carth: "for forcibly removing the helmet of Miami Dolphins offensive lineman Richie Incognito and then dangerously swinging it at his face, according to a league source. "

How about you have him charged with assault with a weapon? That would send a pretty strong message. These people are getting paid to play a kids game if they can't keep their tempers in check they deserve to be in jail.


Kid's Game? Uh.  We pay these guys to assault each other every play of every game.  Don't believe me? take a run at and slobberknock the next person that picks up a watermellon at your local grocery store.  See if they let it go as long as it was a clean hit.  This shiat ain't tiddlywinks.

Would you let a huge ape of a man like Richie Incognito grab your leg and try to twist your ankle off or are you going to respond in a violent matter? It's really easy to tell someone else to turn the other cheek when you have your self righteous head firmly planted between your own.

I don't condone what he did but I definitely understand it.  A token fine and slap on the wrist is fair given their history and circumstances and the fact that Incognito is a dirty biatch.
 
2013-08-20 12:17:35 PM

InmanRoshi: I can't believe the NFL isn't going to suspend him at least 1 regular season game.  If Smith had connected as intended, the NFL would have a Kermit Washington incident on their hands .... except Kermit Washington with 5 ESPN Channels, YouTube, an infinite number of blogs, etc. to replay it  over and over again.


Yeah that could have been extremely ugly...helmet smash to an unprotected face, yuck.

Not surprised they are rethinking the suspension.
 
2013-08-20 12:20:04 PM

zzottt: Mr. X


Guy Incognito swears he's a completely different dude.

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-20 12:21:55 PM

IAmRight: bertor_vidas: but then he takes a swing at Smith after he breaks free (right hook towards throat, looks like it hit the collarbone instead). I do, however, agree with you that Smith overreacted.

That's the shot I saw. But that's not all that different than all the chest-punching that goes on as guys try to beat one another - it didn't look all that out of place for someone blocking a play that was still live. "Taking a swing" requires a lot of reading into the action. It's possible it's true...but it's not really possible for anyone but Incognito to really prove that.


Were this a lineman other than Incognito, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. But itis Incognito. As others mentioned, he takes pride in being dirty, so he'll get as much benefit of the doubt from me as Sapp does for jobbing Clifton.
 
2013-08-20 01:01:17 PM

PowerSlacker: Since when is a suspension from preseason games a punishment?


If you're on the bubble it could be the difference between making the 53 man roster or even the practice squad and going to work at Walmart with your phys ed. degree
 
2013-08-20 01:04:06 PM
Meh all suspension should be of regular season or play offs games otherwise they are meaningless.

/the suspensions obviously not the games.
 
2013-08-20 01:09:14 PM

OhioUGrad: PowerSlacker: Since when is a suspension from preseason games a punishment?

If you're on the bubble it could be the difference between making the 53 man roster or even the practice squad and going to work at Walmart with your phys ed. degree


The Chargers would pick him up so no worries
 
2013-08-20 01:20:14 PM

johnny_vegas: OhioUGrad: PowerSlacker: Since when is a suspension from preseason games a punishment?

If you're on the bubble it could be the difference between making the 53 man roster or even the practice squad and going to work at Walmart with your phys ed. degree

The Chargers would pick him up so no worries


So you are saying that it is a really really harsh punishment
 
2013-08-20 01:33:04 PM

Piizzadude: johnny_vegas: OhioUGrad: PowerSlacker: Since when is a suspension from preseason games a punishment?

If you're on the bubble it could be the difference between making the 53 man roster or even the practice squad and going to work at Walmart with your phys ed. degree

The Chargers would pick him up so no worries

So you are saying that it is a really really harsh punishment


well, i would prefer to live in San Diego..but the Charger's par?  hell yeah, a living death
 
2013-08-20 01:34:16 PM

OhioUGrad: PowerSlacker: Since when is a suspension from preseason games a punishment?

If you're on the bubble it could be the difference between making the 53 man roster or even the practice squad and going to work at Walmart with your phys ed. degree


Antonio Smith is one of the Texans' big names on defense.  He's not on the bubble.
 
2013-08-20 01:50:06 PM
looks like he was just fighting back but took it one step too far to me. it's usually the guy that retaliates that gets caught.
 
2013-08-20 02:07:19 PM
 The NFL will suspend Texans defensive end Antonio Smith for one regular-season game and Houston's remaining two preseason games for forcibly removing the helmet of Miami Dolphins offensive lineman Richie Incognito and then dangerously swinging it at his face, a league source told ESPN.

He was also expected to be fined for the incident.
 
2013-08-20 02:11:49 PM

grimlock1972: Meh all suspension should be of regular season or play offs games otherwise they are meaningless.

/the suspensions obviously not the games.


You were right on both counts.
 
2013-08-20 02:25:14 PM

NEDM: OhioUGrad: PowerSlacker: Since when is a suspension from preseason games a punishment?

If you're on the bubble it could be the difference between making the 53 man roster or even the practice squad and going to work at Walmart with your phys ed. degree

Antonio Smith is one of the Texans' big names on defense.  He's not on the bubble.


I was just giving an example of when being suspended for preseason games would be a punishment, I am not familiar with the Texans,
 
2013-08-20 03:28:35 PM
For a league supposedly SOOOO into the well being of their players nowadays, this really comes off as far too light of a punishment IMO.
 
2013-08-20 03:43:20 PM
 
2013-08-20 05:12:01 PM

Loneman1: For a league supposedly SOOOO into the well being of their players nowadays, this really comes off as far too light of a punishment IMO.


It was a swing and a miss at a guy who deserved it.  If he connected and caused damage then we're in Haynesworth stomp territory.
 
2013-08-20 05:17:38 PM

elguerodiablo: Loneman1: For a league supposedly SOOOO into the well being of their players nowadays, this really comes off as far too light of a punishment IMO.

It was a swing and a miss at a guy who deserved it.  If he connected and caused damage then we're in Haynesworth stomp territory.


For perspective Andre Johnson got a $25,000 fine and no suspension for ripping Innegan's helmet off and punching him repeatedly in the head.  They're similar because Innegan is also a dirty biatch who also deserved it.  Humorously he also got a $25,000 fine for getting his ass kicked.
 
2013-08-20 05:54:55 PM
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2013-08-20 07:03:41 PM

elguerodiablo: elguerodiablo: Loneman1: For a league supposedly SOOOO into the well being of their players nowadays, this really comes off as far too light of a punishment IMO.

It was a swing and a miss at a guy who deserved it.  If he connected and caused damage then we're in Haynesworth stomp territory.

For perspective Andre Johnson got a $25,000 fine and no suspension for ripping Innegan's helmet off and punching him repeatedly in the head.  They're similar because Innegan is also a dirty biatch who also deserved it.  Humorously he also got a $25,000 fine for getting his ass kicked.


Right, but that was a hard to the head. WAAAAAY different that taking a large blunt object and using it as a bludgeon to go for someone's farking face.

He should be gone a lot longer than useless preseason and a single game check. That's borderline criminal charge territory.
 
2013-08-20 07:05:27 PM
a hard to the head?

farking lack of edit tools. HAND to the head.
 
2013-08-20 07:34:53 PM
You should be allowed to rip off Richie Incognito's helmet and bludgeon him with it, but unfortunately that's not the way the rule is written. They may need to look at that in the off-season.
 
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