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(The Dish)   "Any journalist passing through London's Heathrow has now been warned: do not take any documents with you. Britain is now a police state when it comes to journalists, just like Russia"   (dish.andrewsullivan.com) divider line 116
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2013-08-20 07:55:34 AM
Some heads need to roll over this.
 
2013-08-20 08:02:12 AM
Is now?

make me some tea: Some heads need to roll over this.


Were this the U.S., yes. But in Britain, this is not illegal, nor has it been since 1989, the last revision of their State Secrets Act which removed the public interest exceptions.
 
2013-08-20 08:19:32 AM
You have proven that these laws can be hideously abused. Which means they must be repealed

In the UK that might actually have a chance of happening.
 
2013-08-20 08:21:19 AM
The justification is that Snowden has placed, and his actions threaten to continue to place, UK intelligence operatives in danger
 
2013-08-20 08:21:49 AM
This thing heated up big time in the past couple of days.  Very stupid move by the British authorities in regards to this and the raid on the offices at The Guardian.

British press isn't like American press.  For one thing they don't cowtow to the government like CNN and them do out here.  This has the potential to blow up spectacularly.
 
2013-08-20 08:22:50 AM
People seem really pissed off that Britian has the audacity to enforce its own laws.
 
2013-08-20 08:23:42 AM

Elandriel: This thing heated up big time in the past couple of days.  Very stupid move by the British authorities in regards to this and the raid on the offices at The Guardian.

British press isn't like American press.  For one thing they don't cowtow to the government like CNN and them do out here.  This has the potential to blow up spectacularly.


Well, then, I should invest in popcorn futures.
 
2013-08-20 08:25:45 AM

Lucky LaRue: People seem really pissed off that Britian has the audacity to enforce its own laws.


The other day in another thread, a bunch of Americans were going on and on about this and First Amendment rights, Miranda (not Greenwald's partner) rights and whatnot. I'm not familiar enough with British law to really comment here, but seems that most of the complaints are coming from the US.
 
2013-08-20 08:30:39 AM

dr_blasto: I'm not familiar enough with British law to really comment here, but seems that most of the complaints are coming from the US.


The Guardian has jumped on the story, and that's made it a huge deal in the UK. And Brazil is quite unhappy about the detention of one of their citizens, so it's getting traction there too.
 
2013-08-20 08:31:04 AM

Elandriel: This thing heated up big time in the past couple of days.  Very stupid move by the British authorities in regards to this and the raid on the offices at The Guardian.

British press isn't like American press.  For one thing they don't cowtow to the government like CNN and them do out here.  This has the potential to blow up spectacularly.


The government also has the legal authority to shut them down and arrest their members if they don't like what they are publishing.
 
2013-08-20 08:31:22 AM
I'm glad that Andrew Sullivan thinks the UK is just like Russia.  I know Sully is prone to hyperbole, but come on dude.

Oh, and I wish journalists would get over themselves.  Just because you are a journalist doesn't mean you get a magical "The law does not apply to me" card.
 
2013-08-20 08:32:06 AM
If it saves the life of even one agent, then it is worth it.
 
2013-08-20 08:34:55 AM
"Something happened once warning alert police state now kthnx"

More alarmist "now it happened near to my interests so I suddenly care" crap.
 
2013-08-20 08:36:52 AM
Pretty sure it's always been illegal to betray your country...
 
2013-08-20 08:37:48 AM

Goetz: If it saves the life of even one agent, then it is worth it.


Oh yeah? What if the life it saves is that of a double agent? And what if it's a female double agent with a really nice ass, who has sex with one of the male agents who isn't a double agent. And he doesn't know she's a double agent, but then he sees her interacting with a known spy and then he knows, but he's conflicted because he might be falling in love, but he's loyal to queen and country so finally he confronts her, but it turns out she's pregnant with his child!!!

What then smart guy, what then?
 
2013-08-20 08:37:54 AM
So how long was this guy sent to prison for? Zero days?
Okay, just like Russia then. Good to know.
 
2013-08-20 08:38:01 AM
What overreaction. Britton isn't a police state, it's just a lapdog doing the bidding of its master in Washington. As long as you haven't pissed off the White House, you have nothing to fear.
 
2013-08-20 08:38:17 AM

sprgrss: I'm glad that Andrew Sullivan thinks the UK is just like Russia.  I know Sully is prone to hyperbole, but come on dude.

Oh, and I wish journalists would get over themselves.  Just because you are a journalist doesn't mean you get a magical "The law does not apply to me" card.


Amen.
 
2013-08-20 08:38:38 AM
Good read.
 
2013-08-20 08:38:43 AM
I'm still waiting for Glenn Greenwald to publish a hard-hitting exposé of Russia's intimidation of journalists.
 
2013-08-20 08:39:14 AM

tbhouston: Pretty sure it's always been illegal to betray your country...


Thing is, they think they're doing their countrymen a service. But, then, they're applying all the power and intuition that journalists bring to any subject. Despite this, people's willingness to believe government is capable of anything trumps the observed accuracy in reporting.
 
2013-08-20 08:39:19 AM

Goetz: If it saves the life of even one agent, then it is worth it.


He isn't naming people, only policies.
 
2013-08-20 08:39:49 AM

give me doughnuts: So how long was this guy sent to prison for? Zero days?
Okay, just like Russia then. Good to know.


C'mon, pussies, start a riot.
 
2013-08-20 08:40:20 AM

Elandriel: British press isn't like American press.  For one thing they don't cowtow to the government like CNN and them do out here.


www.maxfarquar.com
 
2013-08-20 08:40:33 AM
Expose our human rights abuses and we will abuse your human rights:
a) USA
b) UK
c) China
d) all of the above
 
2013-08-20 08:41:11 AM

Barfmaker: Goetz: If it saves the life of even one agent, then it is worth it.

Oh yeah? What if the life it saves is that of a double agent? And what if it's a female double agent with a really nice ass, who has sex with one of the male agents who isn't a double agent. And he doesn't know she's a double agent, but then he sees her interacting with a known spy and then he knows, but he's conflicted because he might be falling in love, but he's loyal to queen and country so finally he confronts her, but it turns out she's pregnant with his child!!!

What then smart guy, what then?



If it's this female spy, then I go fap for a while.
i.huffpost.com
 
2013-08-20 08:41:22 AM

21-7-b: The justification is that Snowden has placed, and his actions threaten to continue to place, UK intelligence operatives in danger


Kind of like outing a CIA operative who is undercover?
 
2013-08-20 08:42:13 AM

Lucky LaRue: People seem really pissed off that Britian has the audacity to enforce its own laws.


Well, when a law is capriciously misapplied as in with Miranda, and then followed up with obvious brute intimidation, I mean yeah people are gonna get pissed,  They seized and destroyed the hard drives based on a suspicion that they might contain some data that could potentially be damaging, because of a journalist who is employed by the company, who works out of the US and lives in Brazil.  This..to say the least, skirts the boundaries of acceptable application of law.

Lost Thought 00: The government also has the legal authority to shut them down and arrest their members if they don't like what they are publishing.


And one has to question that kind of a law, you know?  I'm not going to scream "the sky is falling" like some, but it can't be argued this does have a strong potential to become quite a thing.

In any case the British press is unlikely to be sympathetic to the government's cause.  In America, this would be on page 9 section C or something.  It would be one of the small links under "other news" on CNN.  In England, they routinely pillory public officials for the smallest of grievances.  It will be interesting to see how much and what kind of coverage this receives.
 
2013-08-20 08:42:51 AM

Elandriel: This thing heated up big time in the past couple of days.  Very stupid move by the British authorities in regards to this and the raid on the offices at The Guardian.

British press isn't like American press.  For one thing they don't cowtow to the government like CNN and them do out here.  This has the potential to blow up spectacularly.


You don't know much about the press abroad do you?
 
2013-08-20 08:44:04 AM

ScaryBottles: Elandriel: This thing heated up big time in the past couple of days.  Very stupid move by the British authorities in regards to this and the raid on the offices at The Guardian.

British press isn't like American press.  For one thing they don't cowtow to the government like CNN and them do out here.  This has the potential to blow up spectacularly.

You don't know much about the press abroad do you?


Or domestically, for that matter.
 
2013-08-20 08:44:06 AM
At first I was upset because I thought Britain had detained him only because he was Greenwald's husband - but he is also Greenwald's partner in this Snowden thing, they are working together.

As far as I'm concerned these are journalists trafficking in stolen property - State secret property, and they are being stupid for acting "shocked!" that the States involved are upset at them.
 
2013-08-20 08:44:51 AM

vudukungfu: 21-7-b: The justification is that Snowden has placed, and his actions threaten to continue to place, UK intelligence operatives in danger

Kind of like outing a CIA operative who is undercover?


Yes, it's exactly li-- Hey! No fair exposing the hypocrisy of the Bush Cheney Administration!
 
2013-08-20 08:45:36 AM

vudukungfu: 21-7-b: The justification is that Snowden has placed, and his actions threaten to continue to place, UK intelligence operatives in danger

Kind of like outing a CIA operative who is undercover?


heh.

Also, has any of the information released by Snowden/Greenwald mentioned a single operative's name? I've only seen note of policies - NSA specifically looking at communication from the US, for example - and nothing of actual ongoing or recent intelligence operations.
 
2013-08-20 08:45:43 AM

gsiofa: Elandriel: British press isn't like American press.  For one thing they don't cowtow to the government like CNN and them do out here.

[www.maxfarquar.com image 616x421]


Oh c'mon, that guy is a special case world-wide.  (But good point.)
 
2013-08-20 08:45:50 AM

tirob: I'm still waiting for Glenn Greenwald to publish a hard-hitting exposé of Russia's intimidation of journalists.


Tu quoque
 
2013-08-20 08:46:09 AM
The president, in defending the indefensible, has damaged himself and his core reputation for honesty and candor

Stopped reading there.

Obama has proven repeatedly since his time in the Senate that he is not only perfectly fine with domestic spying, but he actively supports it. It's one of my biggest gripes with the guy and has been since his first run for president.

Stop pretending Obama has suddenly switched gears on this issue. He hasn't.
 
2013-08-20 08:47:17 AM
A free press is the Fourth Estate. Spying on its own citizenry is despicable, particularity when done in the name of 'security'. I am not a civil libertarian nut-job. I am a citizen who is continually and increasingly disappointed in my government's policies and its efforts to lie, cheat and steal.
 
2013-08-20 08:47:19 AM

skozlaw: domestic spying


ugh
 
2013-08-20 08:47:48 AM

vudukungfu: 21-7-b: The justification is that Snowden has placed, and his actions threaten to continue to place, UK intelligence operatives in danger

Kind of like outing a CIA operative who is undercover?


I hope you know me well enough to not need to check the farkives and will take my word that i attacked those involved in outing plame as hard, if not harder, than anyone. However, beyond that, the reality seems to be that Snowden may have the potential to do far more than out one agent.
 
2013-08-20 08:50:04 AM

ScaryBottles: Elandriel: This thing heated up big time in the past couple of days.  Very stupid move by the British authorities in regards to this and the raid on the offices at The Guardian.

British press isn't like American press.  For one thing they don't cowtow to the government like CNN and them do out here.  This has the potential to blow up spectacularly.

You don't know much about the press abroad do you?


Well they aren't exactly known to be water-carriers like in the US. Not to that spectacular degree anyway.  Things actually get covered abroad, instead of completely press-blackout buried.

I guess it could have changed since I lived in England, that was several years ago, but I remember particularly embarrassing stories being published as a matter of routine.  Perhaps they have gone the route of the American press, in which case I retract most of my previous statements.
 
2013-08-20 08:50:55 AM
Don't take luggage either, they will lose it.
 
2013-08-20 08:51:22 AM

vudukungfu: 21-7-b: The justification is that Snowden has placed, and his actions threaten to continue to place, UK intelligence operatives in danger

Kind of like outing a CIA operative who is undercover?


That is a more immediate threat, and has the potential for broad consequences as well.
 
2013-08-20 08:53:21 AM

dr_blasto: vudukungfu: 21-7-b: The justification is that Snowden has placed, and his actions threaten to continue to place, UK intelligence operatives in danger

Kind of like outing a CIA operative who is undercover?

heh.

Also, has any of the information released by Snowden/Greenwald mentioned a single operative's name? I've only seen note of policies - NSA specifically looking at communication from the US, for example - and nothing of actual ongoing or recent intelligence operations.


Not that this is precisely analogous, but having told the Germans D-Day is June 6 at Normandy wouldn't have been naming names either, yet would have managed to put quite a few lives in danger.
 
2013-08-20 08:54:08 AM

vudukungfu: Expose our human rights abuses and we will abuse your human rights:
a) USA
b) UK
c) China
d) all of the above every other country everywhere ever

 
2013-08-20 08:54:22 AM

21-7-b: may have


and may be saving lives now that people know administrations need to walk on eggshells and not just randomly execute whomever.

You know, hanging out of a chopper and mowing down journalists (I know you have to lead them) is not fighting the good fight for freedom.

People who expose this sort of horseshiat ought to be given medals, not persecuted.
People who hide these crimes ought to be executed, not given secret service protection.
 
2013-08-20 08:55:13 AM

Elandriel: gsiofa: Elandriel: British press isn't like American press.  For one thing they don't cowtow to the government like CNN and them do out here.

[www.maxfarquar.com image 616x421]

Oh c'mon, that guy is a special case world-wide.  (But good point.)


You get problems with media buckling to government when the media has a greater need for access than a politician's need to be featured in that outlet. PR people smell blood in the water just as much as journalists do, and use it to their advantage as much as possible.
 
2013-08-20 08:56:06 AM
Wow. The authoritarian muslim bedwetter worm has turned. This is news. Pelosi, Hillary, and Boner can't be far behind now. Just a matter of time. This shiat is over. And just one brave kid did all this.
 
2013-08-20 08:56:26 AM

StoPPeRmobile: tirob: I'm still waiting for Glenn Greenwald to publish a hard-hitting exposé of Russia's intimidation of journalists.

Tu quoque


I'll put it another way, then:  When it comes to outrage over intimidation of journalists, I think that Mr. Greenwald's is highly selective.  For that matter, has Mr. Greenwald ever written any serious pieces in which he complained about state intimidation of journalists other than himself?
 
2013-08-20 08:56:55 AM

vernonFL: At first I was upset because I thought Britain had detained him only because he was Greenwald's husband - but he is also Greenwald's partner in this Snowden thing, they are working together.

As far as I'm concerned these are journalists trafficking in stolen property - State secret property, and they are being stupid for acting "shocked!" that the States involved are upset at them.


I'm with you. Personally I'm glad all this nsa stuff is being exposed but if what I read is true and this guy was acting as a courier then he wasn't just some innocent. Yesterday the news cycles gave me the impression he was scooped up because his significant other pissed off the US.
 
2013-08-20 08:58:37 AM
I am not an expert on law, but common sense would suggest to me that being a journalist isn't sufficient justification for being able to keep a trove of sensitive state secrets.

"Yeah, I know these are ICBM codes, but I wrote a blog once and the dude that gave them to me seemed legit, so freedom of press right? I get to keep them and write about them."
 
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