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(Talking Points Memo)   Glenn Greenwald: Britain can try to silence me. They can try to shut me down, but I shall *never* surrender. And like the Zulus before me, I shall kick their collective asses and then make a great movie out of it   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 93
    More: Followup, Glenn Greenwald, Britain, City of London Police, Politics of Brazil, Zulu, new police, merits of the case, Keith Vaz  
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2013-08-20 08:12:26 AM
That reminds me, I haven't seen Zulu or Zulu Dawn in many many years. I should watch them again
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-20 09:21:05 AM
Threatening revenge isn't going to help his case, it just makes it obvious that he is an activist with an ax to grind more than a journalist.
 
2013-08-20 09:25:34 AM

somedude210: That reminds me, I haven't seen Zulu or Zulu Dawn in many many years. I should watch them again


They're on Netflix instant
 
2013-08-20 09:26:01 AM

vpb: Threatening revenge isn't going to help his case, it just makes it obvious that he is an activist with an ax to grind more than a journalist.


Some axes need grinding.

Go, Glenn, go.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-20 09:27:32 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Go, Glenn, go.


And some are pointless.  Like this one.
 
2013-08-20 09:35:40 AM

vpb: Lionel Mandrake: Go, Glenn, go.

And some are pointless.  Like this one.


Unlike your head.

/low hanging
 
2013-08-20 09:36:13 AM

vpb: Lionel Mandrake: Go, Glenn, go.

And some are pointless.  Like this one.


Wow, you really are trolling all of these threads. What point do you make? It's pointless to fight the government from reading/collecting all of your email, voice call and web traffic?
 
2013-08-20 09:37:01 AM

vpb: Lionel Mandrake: Go, Glenn, go.

And some are pointless.  Like this one.


Negative Nancy Negates.

Support that argument. So far, many arguments have been made on various sites for the exposure and reform of government spying and the rebirth of totalitarianism. So far, I haven't seen anyone make a cogent argument in favor of just letting the government do whatever it likes. The possibility intrigues me. Do go on.
 
2013-08-20 09:38:56 AM
universalzulukemeticmuurs.net
The Zulus lost, in overtime.
 
2013-08-20 09:40:45 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [universalzulukemeticmuurs.net image 600x300]
The Zulus lost, in overtime.


If only they had had tigers.
 
2013-08-20 09:44:00 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [universalzulukemeticmuurs.net image 600x300]
The Zulus lost, in overtime.

If only they had had tigers.


A tiger?  In Africa??
 
2013-08-20 09:46:05 AM
Elderly gay men seem to throw hissy fits when you mess with their much younger boy toys-who knew?
 
2013-08-20 09:47:06 AM
You would think the Brits should know to never upset the queen.
 
2013-08-20 09:47:12 AM
Pfft.  Corey Hart told us that he'd never surrender in 1985.  Haven't heard from that nutbag since...1985.  Your move, Mr. Greenwald.
 
2013-08-20 09:50:08 AM

hasty ambush: Elderly gay men seem to throw hissy fits when you mess with their much younger boy toys-who knew?


You?  Your elderly lover?

/nttawwt
 
2013-08-20 09:51:27 AM

hasty ambush: Elderly gay men seem to throw hissy fits when you mess with their much younger boy toys-who knew?


Wow.  That *is* a hasty ambush.  46 is elderly now?  You can do better.
 
2013-08-20 09:52:24 AM

Lionel Mandrake: A tiger?  In Africa??


At this hour?
 
2013-08-20 09:54:11 AM

neversubmit: vpb: Lionel Mandrake: Go, Glenn, go.

And some are pointless.  Like this one.

Unlike your head.

/low hanging


Mine drags
 
2013-08-20 09:54:40 AM
I'm guessing there are going to be a lot more "high-speed car accidents" in the near future.

s1.ibtimes.com
 
2013-08-20 09:57:44 AM
First Princess Diana and now this
 
2013-08-20 09:58:18 AM

ArcadianRefugee: I'm guessing there are going to be a lot more "high-speed car accidents" in the near future.


I came here to say that.
Brazil isn't exactly the safest place in the world...watch out, Lee Greenwood Glen Greenwald.
 
2013-08-20 09:58:28 AM

BafflerMeal: hasty ambush: Elderly gay men seem to throw hissy fits when you mess with their much younger boy toys-who knew?

Wow.  That *is* a hasty ambush.  46 is elderly now?  You can do better.



His ambush was perhaps hasty?
 
2013-08-20 09:58:42 AM
Maybe, just maybe, if you love someone you shouldn't have them do your dirty work for you.


/not that I didn't think to myself "hmm, Greenwald's been out of the news for a couple of weeks now...OH HOW CONVENIENT!"
//dude knew this would happen, and would be able to frame it as "They detained my partner and stole his stuff! :("
///What really happened is he was carrying stolen government property and was detained, squealed, and they let him go.
////You can bet US/UK all up in the guts of their systems now.
 
2013-08-20 09:59:04 AM

hasty ambush: Elderly gay men seem to throw hissy fits when you mess with their much younger boy toys-who knew?


He's not even grey. Unless he dyes of course
 
2013-08-20 10:02:36 AM
images1.cpcache.com
 
2013-08-20 10:06:28 AM
Even if you support him, the guy sounds like a real twoont
 
2013-08-20 10:07:28 AM
When they came for Lavabit, I said nothing because I was not a Lavabit user.
When they came for Groklaw, I said nothing because I was not a Groklaw reader
When they came for Tor, I said nothing because I was not a Tor user...
 
2013-08-20 10:08:06 AM
 
2013-08-20 10:17:32 AM
 
2013-08-20 10:21:21 AM

LewDux: neversubmit: vpb: Lionel Mandrake: Go, Glenn, go.

And some are pointless.  Like this one.

Unlike your head.

/low hanging

Mine drags


Your fruit drags? Have you tried tying up the dragging limbs with string?
 
2013-08-20 10:25:49 AM
Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald's investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras, Mr. Greenwald said. Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden. The British authorities seized all of his electronic media - including video games, DVDs and data storage devices - and did not return them, Mr. Greenwald said.


Interesting that this is barely reported in the story. Greenwald was using his boyfriend, and now is crying about it.

I'm no fan of this NSA crap, but Greewald is bending over backwards to come off as a petulant, lying child.
 
2013-08-20 10:26:16 AM
dustedoff.files.wordpress.com

You're alive, Glenn. I saw you.
 
2013-08-20 10:28:30 AM

Cormee: hasty ambush: Elderly gay men seem to throw hissy fits when you mess with their much younger boy toys-who knew?

He's not even grey. Unless he dyes of course



I bet he even uses a moisturizer
 
2013-08-20 10:33:06 AM
Didn't read rtfa but didn't weren't the zulus the ones who got their asses kicked and why Rhodesia and south africa existed?
 
2013-08-20 10:36:15 AM

mediablitz: Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald's investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras, Mr. Greenwald said. Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden. The British authorities seized all of his electronic media - including video games, DVDs and data storage devices - and did not return them, Mr. Greenwald said.


Interesting that this is barely reported in the story. Greenwald was using his boyfriend, and now is crying about it.

I'm no fan of this NSA crap, but Greewald is bending over backwards to come off as a petulant, lying child.


Are we back to trying to pretend that journalism is a crime?

Didn't the President just get in trouble over exactly that? Didn't he just have to give a press conference denouncing Holder's actions for wiretapping the Associated Press?

"Journalists should not be at legal risk for doing their jobs," Mr. Obama said in a wide-ranging address on counterterrorism policy. "Our focus must be on those who break the law."
 
2013-08-20 10:40:20 AM

BullBearMS: Didn't the President just get in trouble over exactly that? Didn't he just have to give a press conference denouncing Holder's actions for wiretapping the Associated Press?

"Journalists should not be at legal risk for doing their jobs," Mr. Obama said in a wide-ranging address on counterterrorism policy. "Our focus must be on those who break the law."


So Obama is saying they should focus on Holder?
 
2013-08-20 10:46:13 AM

vpb: Threatening revenge isn't going to help his case, it just makes it obvious that he is an activist with an ax to grind more than a journalist.


A constitutional rights lawyer an activist for American civil liberties? Shocked, shocked I say!  You should read about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entick_v_Carrington .  That English law case in 1765 involved a general warrant for a journalist and his papers, all because he embarrassed the King.  This is why we have a 4th amendment. Clearly, Britain's only interest in this matter is preventing embarrassment.  Detaining someone under terrorism statutes, let alone the partner of the person they're after is appalling. The fact that Greenwald's partner's last name is Miranda is just bonus icing on the irony cake.
 
2013-08-20 10:49:01 AM

gaslight: When they came for Lavabit, I said nothing because I was not a Lavabit user.
When they came for Groklaw, I said nothing because I was not a Groklaw reader
When they came for Tor, I said nothing because I was not a Tor user...


But Groklaw is still *click* ... WTF?


I only read it every few weeks, but I hadn't heard of this. Seriously, WTF? Great, my blood pressure is going up again.
 
2013-08-20 10:52:32 AM

mediablitz: Interesting that this is barely reported in the story. Greenwald was using his boyfriend, and now is crying about it.


Are you implying that his boyfriend, a grown man, was somehow manipulated or deceived into carrying the information?
 
2013-08-20 10:57:15 AM
I see a lot of "Glenn Greenwald is an asshole so..." style comments here. I've read the man a lot. He is a bit of an asshole. So what? How does that at all change the content of what happened?

The UK government held his boyfriend for nine hours under an anti-terrorism statute. You might not like what Greenwald has been doing, but there is no way it can be legitimately considered terrorism and, from what I can tell, there is no legitimate reason besides intimidation to have held Miranda longer than the time necessary to seize the goods they wished to inspect.

The whole point that people have been trying to drive into the American (and British) people's heads is that when you give the government vague and extraordinary power, the government will inevitably abuse them. Greenwald may be a bit of a self-obsessed prima donna, but his fundamental point is sound.
 
2013-08-20 10:57:28 AM

somedude210: That reminds me, I haven't seen Zulu or Zulu Dawn in many many years. I should watch them again


Men of Harlech, gone to glory, this shall ever be your story...
 
2013-08-20 10:58:21 AM

ChubbyTiger: gaslight: When they came for Lavabit, I said nothing because I was not a Lavabit user.
When they came for Groklaw, I said nothing because I was not a Groklaw reader
When they came for Tor, I said nothing because I was not a Tor user...

But Groklaw is still *click* ... WTF?


I only read it every few weeks, but I hadn't heard of this. Seriously, WTF? Great, my blood pressure is going up again.


It works for me?
 
2013-08-20 10:58:50 AM

Lionel Mandrake: mediablitz: Interesting that this is barely reported in the story. Greenwald was using his boyfriend, and now is crying about it.

Are you implying that his boyfriend, a grown man, was somehow manipulated or deceived into carrying the information?


He's trying to imply that Greenwald has misrepresented his boyfriend's role in the events described and, hence, the British government's clear abuse of its power to intimidate is somehow legitimate. Basically, nothing to see here citizen, move along.
 
2013-08-20 10:58:50 AM

amd1433: [dustedoff.files.wordpress.com image 556x240]

You're alive, Glenn. I saw you.



Ooo, he's a Peeler, Seven-one-six; come to arrest the Zulus.
 
2013-08-20 11:03:11 AM

somedude210: That reminds me, I haven't seen Zulu or Zulu Dawn in many many years. I should watch them again


I like the Meaning of Life better.
 
2013-08-20 11:09:56 AM

hasty ambush: BullBearMS: Didn't the President just get in trouble over exactly that? Didn't he just have to give a press conference denouncing Holder's actions for wiretapping the Associated Press?

"Journalists should not be at legal risk for doing their jobs," Mr. Obama said in a wide-ranging address on counterterrorism policy. "Our focus must be on those who break the law."

So Obama is saying they should focus on Holder?


He had Holder investigate himself. Holder found Holder had acted responsibly because FARK YOU AP.

However, it's kind of a trip to see that whole "journalism is a crime" meme pop up just a couple of weeks after the last time they got busted for it.

However this time it's gotten really cranked up. It's not just "journalism is a crime" anymore. Now it's journalism is TERRORISM!!! The law under which Greenwald's other half was detained and had his possessions seized only allows them to question you to find out if you are a person who...is or has been concerned in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism.

Apparently, not only is journalism terrorism, but being married to a journalist is also terrorism.Their abuse of power was so blatant that it's impossible to ignore.

Andrew Sullivan, who has always been a dependable maker of excuses for the over the top government actions on the War on Terror, wasn't able to make excuses this time.

In this respect, I can say this to David Cameron. Thank you for clearing the air on these matters of surveillance. You have now demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that these anti-terror provisions are capable of rank abuse. Unless some other facts emerge, there is really no difference in kind between you and Vladimir Putin. You have used police powers granted for anti-terrorism and deployed them to target and intimidate journalists deemed enemies of the state.

You have proven that these laws can be hideously abused. Which means they must be repealed. You have broken the trust that enables any such legislation to survive in a democracy. By so doing, you have attacked British democracy itself. What on earth do you have to say for yourself? And were you, in any way, encouraged by the US administration to do such a thing?


Rachel Maddow was so pissed off while reporting on the story that she had trouble speaking without mangling her lines. I don't think I've ever seen her quite so livid.
 
2013-08-20 11:11:23 AM

Intrepid00: somedude210: That reminds me, I haven't seen Zulu or Zulu Dawn in many many years. I should watch them again

I like the Meaning of Life better.


Meh.  Not as many mealy bags.
 
2013-08-20 11:11:34 AM
Lawyer dude;
What England did was a bit bullshiat to say the least, but threatening revenge and to release more items hurts your credibility.  You should be behaving as a reporter regardless of the behavior of the government.  Claiming that you have more things that you will release only if they mess with you makes you just look like punk.  If it's newsworthy you should be releasing it anyways.
 
2013-08-20 11:13:57 AM
I didn't even know he was gay.
lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-08-20 11:16:18 AM

Bravo Two: ChubbyTiger: gaslight: When they came for Lavabit, I said nothing because I was not a Lavabit user.
When they came for Groklaw, I said nothing because I was not a Groklaw reader
When they came for Tor, I said nothing because I was not a Tor user...

But Groklaw is still *click* ... WTF?


I only read it every few weeks, but I hadn't heard of this. Seriously, WTF? Great, my blood pressure is going up again.

It works for me?


Did you read the top story? The one where pj says that she's killing it off?
 
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